Making a mod: Quest dialog does not appear

[TurboNerd]

For reasons I have not figured out, the initial dialog line in this quest will not display.

 

The "quest" is really a container for dialog.  The point was, for starters, to deal with an annoying situation in which the player is struggling to get out of a wrist restraint while the follower stands there saying "We've stopped.  What is it?" and "Let's get going".  I think followers should be smarter.

 

I am attaching a screenshot of the first tab of the quest window and the .esp file.

 

I made sure that all the conditions were met, yet when I activated a follower the line "Can you free my hands?" does not show up.

 

Once I can get dialog working, I have some other ideas that I may add:

• Blacksmiths get bolt cutters and will use them for a price (already started).
• Teasing of the player by the follower (in reasonable locations).
• Follower offers to tie up player.  Maybe even pounce on player and tie her up.
• Help with items that have locks in hard-to-reach places (like chastity bra).
• A MCM menu to allow the player to turn off unwanted features and tweak fees, etc.

 

Please help me with this before I tear out what's left of my hair

DD_Helpers.esp

[Ezarr]

Just now, TurboNerd said:

Please help me with this before I tear out what's left of my hair

 

 

Hahahahah I know the feeling man. I don't know much about adding lines, but I do know some things. Have you tried saving in front of the follower and them load it? It's a known bug when adding lines to a follower.

[TurboNerd]

8 minutes ago, Ezarr said:

 

Hahahahah I know the feeling man. I don't know much about adding lines, but I do know some things. Have you tried saving in front of the follower and them load it? It's a known bug when adding lines to a follower.

I may have already tried that.  This is what I did:

• Create character, Use LAL Bannered Mare start.
• Sell everything test character does not need to Belethor
• Use add item menu to get everything she's going to test.
• Go find and recruit Signar.  Save game.
• Create and activate new mod.
• Restart game and talk to Signar.  Dialog from new mod does not appear.
• Use console "help" command to confirm that new quest and dialog lines exist.
• Exit Drunken Huntsman to Whiterun.  Talk to Signar.  Dialog from new mod still does not appear.

[Ezarr]

Have you tried the GetID condition for that line? 

[TurboNerd]

18 minutes ago, Ezarr said:

Have you tried the GetID condition for that line? 

GetID is a SKSE function which does not appear in the selection list.   I assume you mean GetIsId.  I have not tried it and I'm not sure what I would do with it since I want the line to appear for any follower, not just Signar.

 

Thanks for helping me learn.

[Ezarr]

Yeah that's what I meant, sorry.

 

I see. Anyways why don't you try adding that condition and see if it has any effect.

[MataHari]

1 hour ago, TurboNerd said:

Use console "help" command to confirm that new quest and dialog lines exist.

This

 

Have you generated the SEQ file via the CK in Steam, explained in this post?

[TurboNerd]

45 minutes ago, MataHari said:

This

 

Have you generated the SEQ file via the CK in Steam, explained in this post?

No, I missed that.  Thanks for the pointer,  I now have a new link in my Modding Techniques folder.  I generated the file with TES5Edit and the dialog is still not showing up.  Next idea?

[MataHari]

I suggest that you check the quest manager in the CK, just to see if there is a Journal index e.g <quest> 10 to begin with.

 

Also, make sure you check the RunAtStart (let the quest starts as soon you continue playing) IIRC.

 

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Bethesda_Tutorial_Planning_the_Quest

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Bethesda_Tutorial_Dialogue

 

That's what I can think of right now.

[TurboNerd]

38 minutes ago, MataHari said:

I suggest that you check the quest manager in the CK, just to see if there is a Journal index e.g <quest> 10 to begin with.

 

Also, make sure you check the RunAtStart (let the quest starts as soon you continue playing) IIRC.

 

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Bethesda_Tutorial_Planning_the_Quest

https://www.creationkit.com/index.php?title=Bethesda_Tutorial_Dialogue

 

That's what I can think of right now.

I have seen the tutorials and I used them when I made this.  I tried adding an initial quest stage, but the dialog still did not appear.  There are a number of "quests" which do not have stages in the DDi mod itself.  I also tried removing the faction conditions from the quest and it still is not working.  Any more ideas?

[LazyBoot]

Does the follower you're testing with have a lot of dialogue choices already?

If they do, are you running EZ2C Dialogue Menu and/or Better Dialogue Controls ?

It could be that you're running into a skyrim bug, where dialogue options don't show up properly if the list gets too big. Using ether of those 2 I mentioned normally fixes that issue.

[TurboNerd]

48 minutes ago, LazyBoot said:

Does the follower you're testing with have a lot of dialogue choices already?

If they do, are you running EZ2C Dialogue Menu and/or Better Dialogue Controls ?

It could be that you're running into a skyrim bug, where dialogue options don't show up properly if the list gets too big. Using ether of those 2 I mentioned normally fixes that issue.

I am doing my development with as few mods as possible.  I am not using a follower manager thus I only get the standard four choices.  I can try it with Better Dialogue Controls and see what happens.

 

Edit:  Better Dialogue Controls had no effect.

[TurboNerd]

I have worked around the problem, but not solved it, by tossing out my work in progress and starting over, with a .SEQ file from the very beginning this time.  I have been adding a bit at a time and if it breaks at least I will have some idea how I provoked it.

 

Thanks for all the advice.