Anybody else getting annoyed with Patreon "support"?

[Guest]

I know this started back with the Sims 3 animations, but now with almost 20+ different animators working on Sims 4 sex animations with literally more then half using patreon to paywall half of their animations - its become annoying.

 

I used to support Lady666 and that wasn't so bad ($5 a month here and there) but with nearly 14 different patreon accounts that adds up fast for the Sims 4.  This could be a serious issue if patreon continues to enforce and grow their "content guidelines" - or if a patreon page is simply shut down like Lady666 and the animator just vanishes.

 

I see this as an issue because if that happens, then we literally lose access those animations (that were never shared with the community) unless the creator decides to put them up here eventually which Lady666 never did.  So it can happen. 

 

More so there are already Sims 4 animators that have stopped updating not only their patreon pages but their files here too...so you basically DO have to pay if you ever want access to those animations.

 

Obviously how people spend their money is totally up to them and I'm not here to judge the creators - I'm just getting annoyed this is become the norm.

 

This isn't how the Sims modding community started, everything used to be shared freely.  Heck there used to be people that actually ripped and hacked the paysites out of spite.

 

Plus its getting to the point where I think i counted over 400+++ sex animations at the moment - there is a point where it just becomes repetitive and your basically deciding on who the better animator is (or did that position better if you will).

[MadMansGun]

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

 

[johnpage]

I agree patreon is becoming the norm, i dont support patreon and never will, mods are made out of love not profit although i do agree that if one wants to pay the creator then a link should be present somewhere, luckily most creators post their creations much later here on this great site after they have milked the patreons, i'm not saying thats bad as most of us will take free money, at the end of the day its the supporters of patreon who are at fault imo, if patreon was not supported then it would cease to exist, there be your answer.

[markdf]

There's really nothing you can do. Modding is inherently anarchic, there's no way to enforce any kind of modders "code". Just enjoy the things that do get released, and don't worry about the stuff that's not available to you. Because there's tons of it. Some of it is hidden away on people's hard drives and never got shared at all, some of it is on Chinese or Russian websites, some of it is technically available but no longer works for one reason or another... dwelling on it will drive you crazy!

[johnpage]

Well thats ok not to worry about it but think most users may worry about this patreon thing getting out of hand and that all modding resources may all go that way and the only way to get mods will be to pay for them, after all most modders dont work for the game companys so technically they are breaking some law somewhere, so really what right have the modders got to charge for their creations other than their time and effort which i have to add we greatly appriciate and imo should be shown in donations rather than charges, just my tupence.

[Spyder Arachnid]

 

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

 

 

Sadly this rule doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The moderators here have made it clear that Patreon is allowed. Modders are allowed to lock their content behind paywalls as long as they release something every month in their thread here. And as long as their initial release has "something", even if the rest is behind a paywall, then it is still fine. As long as they keep making monthly releases, they aren't breaking any rules, according to the moderators.

 

So a modder could have 5000 animations on Patreon, but as long as they release one animation every month, it is fine. That's what we've been told.

 

But if they are still making content on Patreon, and stop updating here on LL, then it becomes a problem.

 

 

And yeah, I remember when LL was a free mod site and modders made mods for the community because they wanted to contribute and help others. Not because they wanted to get paid. Modding is a hobby and you do it cause you enjoy it and enjoy having others see what you made. Now it's just greedy modders who only care about making a quick buck, even if their content is amateur at best. No more love anymore, just greed.

 

Most of the modders here have become the gaming corporation they complained about. Just caring about that dollar instead of the love.

[R-Lo]

There are many threads about this yet nobody seems to take any action by reporting to Patreon admins or bring it directly to the threads here of the creators that have ACTUALLY ceased creation yet still charge people because they haven't the courtesy to close their page or indefinitely holding back certain works as "exclusives" for months and months on end.

 

Instead they seem to focus their rants on the experienced newcomers that already have a thought out system prepared and in place,

 

So on one hand we're complaining about amateurs with no game plan and in the same breath the ones who are taking it seriously,

 

Can't have it both ways people...

 

Besides that,

 

It is food for thought.

 

When making a decision to support via Patreon, it's for a variety of reasons...

 

People may want early access to something only just created or to encourage continued creation,

 

Sure there's patreon for just about anything, animation, mods, clothing, furniture etc and they all work differently as far as access goes...

 

 

A lot of these authors already have skills to do this Python, Blender, Photoshop etc through the employment they have or full-time education they attend,

 

Turbodriver clearly has experience in this but couldn't have done this much work in a year as an after-work/spare-time hobby.

 

Others, like myself, with zero skill in this area, have tumbled down the rabbit hole and Patreon is the "red pill" which allows us to see how deep it goes,

 

Before I started Blender, I'd never even made a ZIP or a RAR file true,

Now, I've made a heap of stuff that I normally wouldn't have had time to create, at sacrifice of some of my real life employment hours,

 

Basically, patreon makes up my earnings lost, the bigger my support, the less time I'll spend working for some company, lining somebody else's pockets.

 

So greed is not always a factor.

 

 

It's not possible to function on 2hrs sleep per night

So I've taken a gamble... My work for others recreation.

 

 

In my time doing this, I've made lots of animations of things that I'm not normally into, in the interest of expanding my learning and creation time,

 

 

Some look to make a quick buck yes but it should be painfully obvious to people very quickly when people are creating pages at the same time as the first package

but it's not mentioned or advised against at the time while the wrong people end up being slandered before given a chance,

 

 

Of course it's frustrating if a creator disappears without sharing the last of the work but in the event of...

 

How bout this.... If a page hasn't been worked on or responded to in say... 6 months (to be sure/certain)

 

Report the creator to Patreon,

The page gets closed,

 

If it's clear that the creator has abandoned their work...

it's pretty clear that they wouldn't give a toss about terms and conditions of sharing, dissemination etc

And hopefully a kind patron or two will do the sharing for them

[slylynch]

I look at it this way. This requires a lot of time from people who could be using their skills to a job. These are skills I don't have and don't have the time to commit to. All that I've seen on this board supply free content and make us aware of upgrades. If you do want an upgrade, you don't have to have ongoing payments. If you see something you like, you can subscribe, make the payment, and unsubscribe. Yes, you might miss updates that come out that month, but you won't be charged again.

 

We're all used to getting something for free on the internet. Time is not free. I'm so lucky that there are people who are committed to putting this stuff out there and making this game so much more exciting than it would be on its own. It's true amazing the commitment these people have. We're not entitled to the free stuff they provide to us. We're lucky. So lets be thankful, not annoyed.

[Guest superciao]

Many creators have become lazy and don't produce much anymore.

But many others, such as bioaddict, Azmodan and Lifeline, are totally worth the money.

You just have to understand who has gotten greedy and less productive - supporting someone you like is much better than pledging and expecting something from people who won't deliver.

[R-Lo]

 

Commitment is good word,

 

This is pretty much the root of this issue,

 

Many people don't realise the part where it becomes a commitment and jump the gun with thinking it's easy money,

 

It's far from easy money and those who only get into it purely for that will give up but people should just pay closer attention to the recent posts in the threads of these uploads to see if they're active or not.

 

In regards to indefinitely paywalling particular animations,

 

If people feel that a patreon animation has been locked away for tooooo many many months,

 

Doesn't hurt to give them a poke directly and say it, rather than create another thread of the same stuff that goes unnoticed by the creators they're trying to shame

[R-Lo]

 

 

 

Commitment is good word,

 

This is pretty much the root of this issue,

 

Many people don't realise the part where it becomes a commitment and jump the gun with thinking it's easy money,

 

It's far from easy money and those who only get into it purely for that will give up but people should just pay closer attention to the recent posts in the threads of these uploads to see if they're active or not.

 

In regards to indefinitely paywalling particular animations,

 

If people feel that a patreon animation has been locked away for tooooo many many months,

 

Doesn't hurt to give them a poke directly and say it, rather than create another thread of the same stuff that goes unnoticed by the creators they're trying to shame

Paywalling has been definitely happening

Our dear "God" Mike has yet to post any DF animation,

While that is a valid example, one could argue that it's a sensitive topic,

Although rape isn't against the rules, it still triggers and upsets people, this could be viewed as consideration for those of us who don't want to see it

 

I know it's frustrating but you'd only have to pledge one month to have this in your folder permanently

I'm not keen on paying 5$ for virtual animations either, it's just fun stuff to me not something to spend real money on or follow a porn animator guy just to be up to date. It's also against the rules of this community.

That's fair enough but a ton of free stuff kinda negates that

 

Something just needs to be done about the ones that are no longer uploading

[johnpage]

 

 

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

 

 

Sadly this rule doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The moderators here have made it clear that Patreon is allowed. Modders are allowed to lock their content behind paywalls as long as they release something every month in their thread here. And as long as their initial release has "something", even if the rest is behind a paywall, then it is still fine. As long as they keep making monthly releases, they aren't breaking any rules, according to the moderators.

 

So a modder could have 5000 animations on Patreon, but as long as they release one animation every month, it is fine. That's what we've been told.

 

But if they are still making content on Patreon, and stop updating here on LL, then it becomes a problem.

 

 

And yeah, I remember when LL was a free mod site and modders made mods for the community because they wanted to contribute and help others. Not because they wanted to get paid. Modding is a hobby and you do it cause you enjoy it and enjoy having others see what you made. Now it's just greedy modders who only care about making a quick buck, even if their content is amateur at best. No more love anymore, just greed.

 

Most of the modders here have become the gaming corporation they complained about. Just caring about that dollar instead of the love.

 

I have been with LLab a while now and am always happy to support modders who release free content for the love of modding hey my favorite modder is JoshQ who mods sims 3, but i will not ever support patreon because i belive it is morally wrong to charge in any shape or form for something you love doing no matter how hard the work is, call it principle, accepting donations no matter how small is another matter and should be applauded, i look forward to the day when LLab is free again of all greed and all patreons have their own site where one could go if one so chose to do so, less dollar more love please.

 

 

[R-Lo]

 

 

 

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

Sadly this rule doesn't mean anything anymore.

 

The moderators here have made it clear that Patreon is allowed. Modders are allowed to lock their content behind paywalls as long as they release something every month in their thread here. And as long as their initial release has "something", even if the rest is behind a paywall, then it is still fine. As long as they keep making monthly releases, they aren't breaking any rules, according to the moderators.

 

So a modder could have 5000 animations on Patreon, but as long as they release one animation every month, it is fine. That's what we've been told.

 

But if they are still making content on Patreon, and stop updating here on LL, then it becomes a problem.

 

 

And yeah, I remember when LL was a free mod site and modders made mods for the community because they wanted to contribute and help others. Not because they wanted to get paid. Modding is a hobby and you do it cause you enjoy it and enjoy having others see what you made. Now it's just greedy modders who only care about making a quick buck, even if their content is amateur at best. No more love anymore, just greed.

 

Most of the modders here have become the gaming corporation they complained about. Just caring about that dollar instead of the love.

I have been with LLab a while now and am always happy to support modders who release free content for the love of modding hey my favorite modder is JoshQ who mods sims 3, but i will not ever support patreon because i belive it is morally wrong to charge in any shape or form for something you love doing no matter how hard the work is, call it principle, accepting donations no matter how small is another matter and should be applauded, i look forward to the day when LLab is free again of all greed and all patreons have their own site where one could go if one so chose to do so, less dollar more love please.

 

Being a newbie here myself after a year, I can understand you, I only ever meant to just have a try and found myself enjoying it more than I thought I would,

 

But there's a flip side to things when some creators simply do not have the time some others are blessed with,

 

As a lone, full-time, 7 days a week parent with a full-time job, it's not easy to pursue the things you love,

 

The little time I had time to enjoy my game that I love, which you can see I have put a lot of time into, became nonexistent,

And some of that love just becomes pressure.

 

In some cases, like mine, it has replaced a part of my household income to accommodate for the time I spend creating things to ultimately share for free,

 

Greed is not a factor as I'm not better off financially and it's a gamble as to how much of the pledge creators receive each month after declined payments and click and cancel fraudsters,

 

I just think it'd just be more courteous of people who have these pages to remember the importance of being a member here too and giving input to other projects and discussion etc, which some already do, rather than appearing to just be out for the money and that may help improve some reps

[R-Lo]

Some level of building a profile first and committing to it should apply too and it would help if more people were more public in their thoughts of the free stuff.

[Fleebz]

 

Paywalling has been definitely happening

 

Our dear "God" Mike has yet to post any DF animation,

 

 

And why would he? He makes $10 per patreon for those. If people really want their minds blown, go in and see how much some of the creators make a month. It's right on the front of their patreon page.

 

And it's not just this place. It's the whole S4 community that is jumping on this band wagon. Regular mod creators that make mods short of wrecking your whole game are charging for their mods. People are charging for anything from paintings to walls and floors (yea, shit that literally takes 5 seconds to make for someone who knows how) clothes, make-up..anything you can put in your game. 

 

Greed has become the black plague of the gaming mod community and Patreon is the catalyst.  

[Guest superciao]

 

 

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

 

 

And yeah, I remember when LL was a free mod site and modders made mods for the community because they wanted to contribute and help others. Not because they wanted to get paid. Modding is a hobby and you do it cause you enjoy it and enjoy having others see what you made. Now it's just greedy modders who only care about making a quick buck, even if their content is amateur at best. No more love anymore, just greed.

 

Redabyss and I believe many others left the modding community because they weren't supported enough. They didn't have Patreon.

[R-Lo]

 

 

 

and there is the fact that it's a violation of Community rule 12:

We are a free and open community; members requiring payment for mods, support, or putting anything behind a paywall will be removed without warning. Donation buttons/links to support an author is fine, so long as nothing is promised, given, or rewarded other than a sense of satisfaction for supporting an author or owner of content.

And yeah, I remember when LL was a free mod site and modders made mods for the community because they wanted to contribute and help others. Not because they wanted to get paid. Modding is a hobby and you do it cause you enjoy it and enjoy having others see what you made. Now it's just greedy modders who only care about making a quick buck, even if their content is amateur at best. No more love anymore, just greed.

Redabyss and I believe many others left the modding community because they weren't supported enough. They didn't have Patreon.

Nuff said.

[rkc1986]

So for a while, I supported a lot of animators in Patreon, but it adds up fast. I think at one point I was spending like $50 a month on the site before I cut back. Some people have tiers and will give you content only when you are in a higher tier or you have to pay them and wait for a couple months to get the animations, which is bs. I like how Mike24 does it. His $5 tier basically has all animations and his $10 one has extra stuff that is not forced on you. I also admire Amra72. He puts out amazing animations but I have not seen him on Patreon. 

[markdf]

One issue is that the people charging money are in a sense freeloading off the people who mod for free. It's the free mods that build a modding community around a game in the first place. Without the people are modding out of pure enthusiasm, the people charging money would never be able to get any interest in their work.

 

That said, I stand by the belief that you can't really stop people from trying to charge for their work. All you can do is refuse to endorse them, and make your own work (if any) freely available. My own project (which is for Skyrim and Fallout, not the Sims) is freely available, and I made the decision to make it open source so that there would never be a temptation to paywall it. I mean, I could try, but someone else could take up the project and make their own free version. That's my stand against paid mods.

 

I guess I could make a Patreon, but there would be no rewards or anything. Just the satisfaction of contributing to something that is freely available.

[GECK.O]

I guess, patreon encourage people to work and earn money. Which is good for the mod and cc community.

 

But the downside is... Not all people have the money to pay it.

 

I guess it's best if patreon is just for the early access, but all the animation will soon be available to the public several months later.

[Guest superciao]

So for a while, I supported a lot of animators in Patreon, but it adds up fast. I think at one point I was spending like $50 a month on the site before I cut back. Some people have tiers and will give you content only when you are in a higher tier or you have to pay them and wait for a couple months to get the animations, which is bs. I like how Mike24 does it. His $5 tier basically has all animations and his $10 one has extra stuff that is not forced on you. I also admire Amra72. He puts out amazing animations but I have not seen him on Patreon. 

You're kinda contradicting yourself on the Mike stuff

Plus he never updated DF animations here... while other people did upload higher tier animations at one point.

[johnpage]

Oh i have had a great idea, i would liketo make a list or page for non patreon modders particularly for sims 3 & 4 so us non patreon users can concentrate our efforts on them, anyone know how i go about doing this, or if its already been done could i be pointed in that direction, thanks all.

[R-Lo]

Oh i have had a great idea, i would liketo make a list or page for non patreon modders particularly for sims 3 & 4 so us non patreon users can concentrate our efforts on them, anyone know how i go about doing this, or if its already been done could i be pointed in that direction, thanks all.

There are plenty of non patreon modders on this site,

Y'all just rarely take the time or interest in them unless something breaks or there's something to ridicule, so they don't bother to share much or interact anymore,

Some closed their accounts due to this too.

 

You go on about patreon like it's some blood sucking monster and that in itself is more damaging than the pages that have been made to keep give an impossible project a chance,

 

Refusing to view these pages is your own choice and doesn't really take much of a stance or revolutionise anything when you take into account the amount of people that will happily download the shared stuff and wait for the next lot if they not interested in pledging,

 

You say these authors are greedy but when we're sacrificing time and earnings to create SOMETHING THAT IS ULTIMATELY SHARED FOR FREE.... And people get mad because they have to wait and donaters get it first?

 

Mods aren't an entitlement, it's a work that's been shared, much may have changed but that still holds.

 

People wanna curse the patreon people but generally don't give a shite about the free ones unless it's Amra.

 

Paid or unpaid, more respect is needed for ALL creators.

 

 

Everybody IS modding for the love, just a percentage of users seem to enjoy taking the love out of it with their prejudice

 

Some might deserve it but you can't paint Everyone with the same brush

[Guest superciao]

Agreed. It's not only the abundance of the pages, but also the users of this website not giving a crap about anybody who is not Amra72.

 

Patreon pages to blame are the ones that aren't trustworthy, or that does not release specific animations unless much later/not at all (Mike is a big example). There are also many that place unfair prices.

[R-Lo]

This seems to be habit, it draws close to the end of the month and people want free uploads here, fair enough.

 

Many have already stated that these are on the way.

 

Work gets created throughout the month and previews are shared here and on patreon,

 

Due to fact that the Patreon website has very clear rules on adult content, previews posted there MUST be locked as "Patron Only" meaning that they are locked for public viewing.

So creators post here too to ensure that people can see work in progress without an obligation to pay anything.

 

People have already complained about too many threads and a difficulty in keeping up with things as they are so another section isn't necessary when people already have the ability to make the choice to view something or not.