Mariana Soprano Posted July 13, 2017 Posted July 13, 2017 Hey! Sometimes nicknames telling the truth.... Thanks to all for the informations. All the best for our creators, that this f...k may end soon.
Stuzy44 Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 they need hacked and brought to there knees....like loverslab,mod the sims,TSR...and so on they make there way in adds....and hope for a little here and there but those dicks...leaches of the community need to go down.
Sierrebrarc Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 les vrais voleurs sont ceux qui vous demande payer pour " baiser virtuellement " comme turbo ...ou d'autre ... il y a de tres bon modeur talentueux et gratuit Pandora ne fait que voler les voleurs ^^ As was suggested, I translated this and was not impressed..... The modders are thieves because they spend their valuable time making virtual kissing for games, and ask for donations? Lets break this down. You pay for sims which is basically a virtual dating/life simulator. (You're paying 20-50 dollars for virtual kissing) This is considered acceptable because the company employs people who work hard to create the content you enjoy so much. They make their living doing what modders do for FREE!!!! So then you have modders. They make new animations or items that embellish the "kissing" and add a few... other... things you couldn't see or use before. They upload them to sites which allow you to download them for FREE. If you like their work, you have the option to donate some money for their efforts. It's not obligatory, and so far I have not seen any begging either. So how exactly are they stealing? Oh wait... you could make the argument they are making money off EA Games hard work! BUT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!! Sims is designed to be moddable! Half of the reason people LOVE to play sims is because they can add their own content!!! This is why nearly all moddable games are as popular as they are. So if you compare EA with modders, who is really doing the stealing here? Ea charges up to 50 dollars for a game when most of the stuff you will play with wasn't created by them. They did the hard part, that's true. But they still make a killing based on the hard work of people they do not pay. Modders, like I've mentioned, spend their free time making new content for a game, without being "paid" to do it. OH!!! And then there is the part where EA games adds a few little "extras" and charges 20 bucks a pop!!! A few extra items will get them 10 bucks! You tip your waitress/waiter don't you? She/he didn't make the food. She/he is getting paid to be there right? So why do you tip her/him? Other than the fact they get less than 3 bucks an hour, and live on your generosity? By your argument they are stealing for accepting tips for bringing you food made by accomplished chefs. I know this is dragging on, but last thing... I swear... Then you have Pandora. Pandora actually take free materials made by real modders, repackages them, and SELLS them to unwitting dupes. Making money for material they ACTUALLY STOLE!
cloop Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 les vrais voleurs sont ceux qui vous demande payer pour " baiser virtuellement " comme turbo ...ou d'autre ... il y a de tres bon modeur talentueux et gratuit Pandora ne fait que voler les voleurs ^^ As was suggested, I translated this and was not impressed..... The modders are thieves because they spend their valuable time making virtual kissing for games, and ask for donations? Lets break this down. You pay for sims which is basically a virtual dating/life simulator. (You're paying 20-50 dollars for virtual kissing) This is considered acceptable because the company employs people who work hard to create the content you enjoy so much. They make their living doing what modders do for FREE!!!! So then you have modders. They make new animations or items that embellish the "kissing" and add a few... other... things you couldn't see or use before. They upload them to sites which allow you to download them for FREE. If you like their work, you have the option to donate some money for their efforts. It's not obligatory, and so far I have not seen any begging either. So how exactly are they stealing? Oh wait... you could make the argument they are making money off EA Games hard work! BUT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!! Sims is designed to be moddable! Half of the reason people LOVE to play sims is because they can add their own content!!! This is why nearly all moddable games are as popular as they are. So if you compare EA with modders, who is really doing the stealing here? Ea charges up to 50 dollars for a game when most of the stuff you will play with wasn't created by them. They did the hard part, that's true. But they still make a killing based on the hard work of people they do not pay. Modders, like I've mentioned, spend their free time making new content for a game, without being "paid" to do it. OH!!! And then there is the part where EA games adds a few little "extras" and charges 20 bucks a pop!!! A few extra items will get them 10 bucks! You tip your waitress/waiter don't you? She/he didn't make the food. She/he is getting paid to be there right? So why do you tip her/him? Other than the fact they get less than 3 bucks an hour, and live on your generosity? By your argument they are stealing for accepting tips for bringing you food made by accomplished chefs. I know this is dragging on, but last thing... I swear... Then you have Pandora. Pandora actually take free materials made by real modders, repackages them, and SELLS them to unwitting dupes. Making money for material they ACTUALLY STOLE! personnellement je ne paye rien ... j'ai la dernière version de ww j'ai toutes les maj de sims 4 ... je ne paye jamais donc je ne me fait pas volé... en revanche je redistribue ce que l'on me donne ( je suis anti capitaliste ) l'argent divise ... L'argent n'aide personne sur le plan humain ... ont emporte pas l'argent quand ont meurt .... Le partage est une vertu
Guest Redabyss Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 Le travail sur la mod WickedWhims et les animations est très difficile et exigeant. Moi, je fais des animations de temps en temps et ça demande heures et heures de travail et concentration pour JUSTE une animation de qualité moyenne. Le soutien monétaire que nous offrons aux qui faisent ces travaux est notre manière de remercier. Ne tenir pas pour acquis les efforts de TURBODRIVER et des animateurs. Ce qui Pandorasim fais est horrible et malhonnête.
JabsTheGoon Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 personnellement je ne paye rien ... j'ai la dernière version de ww j'ai toutes les maj de sims 4 ... je ne paye jamais donc je ne me fait pas volé... en revanche je redistribue ce que l'on me donne ( je suis anti capitaliste ) l'argent divise ... L'argent n'aide personne sur le plan humain ... ont emporte pas l'argent quand ont meurt .... Le partage est une vertu Personally, I paid nothing ... I have the latest version of WickedWhims, and I have all the Sims 4 DLC. I never peid So I didn't get robbed ... on the other hand, I redistribute what others give me (I am an anti-capitalist) Money divides ... Money does not help anyone at the human level ... You can't take it with you! (lit: "have not taken the money when they die:) Sharing is a virtue Oh, to be young again and have that amount of idealism. To think that I didn't have to play within the rules of society, and that the world would be perfect if nobody did! Then I grew up and realized that society has rules, and money is one of the first things humans invented, because it has measurable utility and allows me to develop software instead of raising shitty sheep for a job! Oh, pour être jeune à nouveau et avoir cette quantité d'idéalisme. Penser que je n'avais pas à jouer dans les règles de la société, et que le monde serait parfait si personne ne l'a fait! Ensuite, j'ai grandi et j'ai compris que la société a des règles, et l'argent est l'une des premières choses que l'homme a inventé, car il a une utilité mesurable et me permet de développer des logiciels au lieu de soulever des moutons malins pour un travail
Heliotropic Posted July 15, 2017 Posted July 15, 2017 I think that argument goes beyond charming idealism to misguided delusion. No mater your personal opinions on the evils of an economic model we do not live in a cornucopian utopia where all work ceases to have value and all labor is done purely for the personal fulfillment of the individual doing it, to behave like we do is denying reality. It's also rather missing the point because asking for donations is not at all the same as charging for goods, which is still a step removed from what's happening: stealing intellectual property that is given freely and then charging for it.
TURBODRIVER Posted July 16, 2017 Posted July 16, 2017 It's one thing being a worthless proxy "sharing" thing and another being a useful member of a community. Make a mod or two. Give something back. Animations, clothing, objects... anything. Invest in your creativity and give people an actual reason to care about you.
Sierrebrarc Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 personnellement je ne paye rien ... j'ai la dernière version de ww j'ai toutes les maj de sims 4 ... je ne paye jamais donc je ne me fait pas volé... en revanche je redistribue ce que l'on me donne ( je suis anti capitaliste ) l'argent divise ... L'argent n'aide personne sur le plan humain ... ont emporte pas l'argent quand ont meurt .... Le partage est une vertu It's true, you do not have to pay anything. You have willingly accepted all that was offered for free, and not given a second thought to those who were actually sharing. However, donating to those you accepted free things from, is not getting robbed. I play free to play games. If they offer VIP/subscription services, and I really enjoy their game, then when I can I pay for the VIP stuff. OMG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? Because I believe in giving back to those that make things I like. If it's only OK, and I only use it to pass time, then no... I do not donate to it. You say you redistribute what you are given.... Many of these modders clearly state they do not want their stuff redistributed. That is not sharing... That's just wrong.
Scorpina Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 personnellement je ne paye rien ... j'ai la dernière version de ww j'ai toutes les maj de sims 4 ... je ne paye jamais donc je ne me fait pas volé... en revanche je redistribue ce que l'on me donne ( je suis anti capitaliste ) l'argent divise ... L'argent n'aide personne sur le plan humain ... ont emporte pas l'argent quand ont meurt .... Le partage est une vertu It's true, you do not have to pay anything. You have willingly accepted all that was offered for free, and not given a second thought to those who were actually sharing. However, donating to those you accepted free things from, is not getting robbed. I play free to play games. If they offer VIP/subscription services, and I really enjoy their game, then when I can I pay for the VIP stuff. OMG WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? Because I believe in giving back to those that make things I like. If it's only OK, and I only use it to pass time, then no... I do not donate to it. You say you redistribute what you are given.... Many of these modders clearly state they do not want their stuff redistributed. That is not sharing... That's just wrong. Dude. most don't want you to upload to a different site. they don't care if you link back to them. Wanting hit's on their page/site is different than saying "don't tell anyone where you got this" like myself I'd rather you did not post my stuff on another page and take credit for it. a link back to here, not only gets me hits. but may get more member's to LL's
Sierrebrarc Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 Dude. most don't want you to upload to a different site. they don't care if you link back to them. Wanting hit's on their page/site is different than saying "don't tell anyone where you got this" like myself I'd rather you did not post my stuff on another page and take credit for it. a link back to here, not only gets me hits. but may get more member's to LL's Linking back to this site is sharing, THAT I can agree. But that's not what he said. At least, that's not how it sounded.
cloop Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 il n'y à rien de plus anarchique que internet ... post un mod ..il apparait sur un autre site ..poste une photo... elle apparait sur autre site .. Le téléchargement ...,partage... un vaste sujet philosophique ^^ dans tout les cas je ne pense pas nuire a qui que ce soit je prend ce que l'on me donne et les gens sont généreux .. Certain paye les dernière MAJ et les redistribue et d'autre les télécharges ..
cloop Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I think that argument goes beyond charming idealism to misguided delusion. No mater your personal opinions on the evils of an economic model we do not live in a cornucopian utopia where all work ceases to have value and all labor is done purely for the personal fulfillment of the individual doing it, to behave like we do is denying reality. It's also rather missing the point because asking for donations is not at all the same as charging for goods, which is still a step removed from what's happening: stealing intellectual property that is given freely and then charging for it. oui enfin tout et relatif ..la on parle de " mod " On est pas sur un sujet théorique d'évasion fiscal lol certain modeur gagne plus de 2000 $ par mois .... ils ne sont pas médecin ? il n'y a pas mort d'homme ^^ La terre continue de tourner lol
azmodan22 Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I think that argument goes beyond charming idealism to misguided delusion. No mater your personal opinions on the evils of an economic model we do not live in a cornucopian utopia where all work ceases to have value and all labor is done purely for the personal fulfillment of the individual doing it, to behave like we do is denying reality. It's also rather missing the point because asking for donations is not at all the same as charging for goods, which is still a step removed from what's happening: stealing intellectual property that is given freely and then charging for it. oui enfin tout et relatif ..la on parle de " mod " On est pas sur un sujet théorique d'évasion fiscal lol certain modeur gagne plus de 2000 $ par mois .... ils ne sont pas médecin ? il n'y a pas mort d'homme ^^ La terre continue de tourner lol You gyus seriously started a conversation with pandorasims ?!?!?! So, Let me help you (if you are pandorasims) get your head out of whatever hole you stuck it in. Whatever money or support I make out of mods I make it because I WORKED ON THEM. PandoraSims didn't work on JACK SHIT ! PandoraSims are not redistributing anything and they are not a romantic hacker if that is what they want to think of themself. PandoraSims are simply SELLING STOLEN GOODS. Does that cover you?
cloop Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I think that argument goes beyond charming idealism to misguided delusion. No mater your personal opinions on the evils of an economic model we do not live in a cornucopian utopia where all work ceases to have value and all labor is done purely for the personal fulfillment of the individual doing it, to behave like we do is denying reality. It's also rather missing the point because asking for donations is not at all the same as charging for goods, which is still a step removed from what's happening: stealing intellectual property that is given freely and then charging for it. oui enfin tout et relatif ..la on parle de " mod " On est pas sur un sujet théorique d'évasion fiscal lol certain modeur gagne plus de 2000 $ par mois .... ils ne sont pas médecin ? il n'y a pas mort d'homme ^^ La terre continue de tourner lol You gyus seriously started a conversation with pandorasims ?!?!?! So, Let me help you (if you are pandorasims) get your head out of whatever hole you stuck it in. Whatever money or support I make out of mods I make it because I WORKED ON THEM. PandoraSims didn't work on JACK SHIT ! PandoraSims are not redistributing anything and they are not a romantic hacker if that is what they want to think of themself. PandoraSims are simply SELLING STOLEN GOODS. Does that cover you? je suis bien d'accort, Pandorasims c'est de la merde en boite.. ils ne font que ce faire de l'argent sur le dos des autres... c'est n'est pas du partage mais de la baise
azmodan22 Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 I think that argument goes beyond charming idealism to misguided delusion. No mater your personal opinions on the evils of an economic model we do not live in a cornucopian utopia where all work ceases to have value and all labor is done purely for the personal fulfillment of the individual doing it, to behave like we do is denying reality. It's also rather missing the point because asking for donations is not at all the same as charging for goods, which is still a step removed from what's happening: stealing intellectual property that is given freely and then charging for it. oui enfin tout et relatif ..la on parle de " mod " On est pas sur un sujet théorique d'évasion fiscal lol certain modeur gagne plus de 2000 $ par mois .... ils ne sont pas médecin ? il n'y a pas mort d'homme ^^ La terre continue de tourner lol You gyus seriously started a conversation with pandorasims ?!?!?! So, Let me help you (if you are pandorasims) get your head out of whatever hole you stuck it in. Whatever money or support I make out of mods I make it because I WORKED ON THEM. PandoraSims didn't work on JACK SHIT ! PandoraSims are not redistributing anything and they are not a romantic hacker if that is what they want to think of themself. PandoraSims are simply SELLING STOLEN GOODS. Does that cover you? je suis bien d'accort, Pandorasims c'est de la merde en boite.. ils ne font que ce faire de l'argent sur le dos des autres... c'est n'est pas du partage mais de la baise we are on the same page then
Guest Redabyss Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 Of course PandoraSim is an arrogant shithead. What else could he be
Heliotropic Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 oui enfin tout et relatif ..la on parle de " mod " On est pas sur un sujet théorique d'évasion fiscal lol certain modeur gagne plus de 2000 $ par mois .... ils ne sont pas médecin ? il n'y a pas mort d'homme ^^ La terre continue de tourner lol $2000 a month isn't very much, especially after declined payments and taxes. It's a nice side business, but it's right at or below the poverty line for any metropolitan area in the United States and not far above it in suburbia. Whether or not the work put into a mod is worth the donations it gets is purely academic and pretty self-evident given the nature of donations. It's worth it to those giving which is all that matters. I wasn't arguing that you must support every artist that makes something you like, I was saying it was flippant to dismiss the value of money to this process. It may not be "essential" to have those mods--or even the Sims--but there's a demand for them all the same. Without that demand and the value it represents we wouldn't have the Sims at all, and without those willing to support the features they themselves want mods like WickedWhims could not be as comprehensive as they are. Without the support of WW there's no support for any animators to work with it. Without money you don't have the game at all, and without more money you completely lose features many find essential to enjoying the game. I'm not saying that hypothetically it all couldn't have happened in a Utopian society where everyone's needs are satisfied beyond all want and money ceases to have meaning, I'm saying that world is hypothetical and not the one in which we currently live. As TurboDriver points out you don't even need to contribute with cash. A rising tide lifts all ships, and any mod that improves the enjoyment of the game for anyone makes the game that much more valuable to those that use every other mod.
Guest Redabyss Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Also to be honest, many animators over here aren't even that much supported by users who download their stuff. Actually a "thank you" is a rare thing, unless you're one of the top dogs. Even Mike lamented this thing, not to mention other animators I've been talking in private. So Patreon is an incentive to keep doing animations, simply because people here don't even bother with something so simple as vocal support. I have like 200k downloads, but I can count on my hands which people actually thanked me. So how are we animators supposed to be villing to keep going on if we don't even get thanked? Please don't take animations for granted. It's stressful as heck working even on ONE, let alone dozens of them. On topic, that's a reason of why PandoraSim is a shithead. He's taking OUR hours of work for making profit for HIMSELF.
Haviengar Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Pandora sims has been at it since the days of Sims 1. Back then they had a monopoly on xxx content for the sims along with M & M needful things.
andais Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 I don't blame their users, because i could have been one of them. When i used to search stuff for TS3 from my beloved google.it, pandora was (and is still) one of the first results; you can't even imagine how many links i had to follow to find this community! Oh god... is so fucking difficult to write in english! Sorry, i have a lot to say but i... just can't even!
LittleMsSam Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 The best thing to do as creator is report the account of pandora sims on patreon. (even if you are not member of patreon) because he/she is distributhing his mod with the content of many on this service. I did and I I'll wait. And for everyone who is reading: Moder or simmer, don't lose your time discussing with this person. If we make the things correctly and respect each other's work with time this will be solve. Patreon will do something! Pandora Sims was/is stealing some of my Mods for their Super Mod Patch from MTS and i did send a DMCA to Patreon a while back. It took 4 weeks but it seems that it worked because on the Super Mod Patch Site is no Link to Patreon anymore and they had deleted the Reward where ppl could download the Super Mod Patch. They changed it instead to the goal and i will probably send another DMCA to Patreon because of that. Unfortuanly their Host does not react to DMCA's. Maybe if enough Creators would send them some?
.Noir. Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 The best thing to do as creator is report the account of pandora sims on patreon. (even if you are not member of patreon) because he/she is distributhing his mod with the content of many on this service. I did and I I'll wait. And for everyone who is reading: Moder or simmer, don't lose your time discussing with this person. If we make the things correctly and respect each other's work with time this will be solve. Patreon will do something! Pandora Sims was/is stealing some of my Mods for their Super Mod Patch from MTS and i did send a DMCA to Patreon a while back. It took 4 weeks but it seems that it worked because on the Super Mod Patch Site is no Link to Patreon anymore and they had deleted the Reward where ppl could download the Super Mod Patch. They changed it instead to the goal and i will probably send another DMCA to Patreon because of that. Unfortuanly their Host does not react to DMCA's. Maybe if enough Creators would send them some? I received a response too. But they toll me that they need a official DMCA notice for do something about it. You know, politics. I didn't see any change on his page, even is uploading more stuff. But not for him I will stop to do wath I want and I like.
LittleMsSam Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I received a response too. But they toll me that they need a official DMCA notice for do something about it. You know, politics. I didn't see any change on his page, even is uploading more stuff. But not for him I will stop to do wath I want and I like. Yeah you have to send them a DMCA but that is not difficult to do I did send another one yesterday because of the goal where the Super Mod Patch is mentioned. I used the example from here For Patreon i added a sentence in it where i explained that my Mods are included in the Super Mod Patch which they give as a Pledge Reward. Yesterday i also did send DMCA's to google for all the Mods PS did stole to hopefully get them out of their Websearch. It's just little we Modders can do but if we can get PS off Patreon and maybe out of the Google Websearch it will hurt them a bit.
.Noir. Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 I received a response too. But they toll me that they need a official DMCA notice for do something about it. You know, politics. I didn't see any change on his page, even is uploading more stuff. But not for him I will stop to do wath I want and I like. Yeah you have to send them a DMCA but that is not difficult to do I did send another one yesterday because of the goal where the Super Mod Patch is mentioned. I used the example from here For Patreon i added a sentence in it where i explained that my Mods are included in the Super Mod Patch which they give as a Pledge Reward. Yesterday i also did send DMCA's to google for all the Mods PS did stole to hopefully get them out of their Websearch. It's just little we Modders can do but if we can get PS off Patreon and maybe out of the Google Websearch it will hurt them a bit. Thank You! That it will really helpful for many of us.
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