Differences in Game, SSD - SSD M2

[RockMic]

I am for acquiring my second ssd to install the games, my choice and one for 1TB.
At the moment my games are installed on a normal HD (senior).
Before I wanted to know myself between an SSD or an SSD M2 there are some real differences between playing Skyrim or Follaut 4 with many installed mods, especially when passing through one cell to the other you notice the difference in read speed.

[Guest]

Not really.

 

I tried for a long time a high performance (not M.2) SSD and a brand new standard M.2 SSD.

Yes, on some activities the M.2 was better (like moving big files.)

 

But the latency was comparable, so for games (tried Skyrim and FO4, and also other games), there is not a big difference between normal SSDs and M.2 SSDs.

[lordgdavid]

I do not think so. Skyrim and Fallout due to the old engine are quite poor of a base to compare hardware differences. I have an m.2 ssd hooked to a sata port with an adatpter and did not see any difference compared to non m.2 installs. (I got the m.2 so cheap that it was cheaper to buy with the +30$ adatper than buying a normal )

[Guest]

M.2 are good only if you attach tehm directly to a PCIe 3 port, and the motherboard supports the M.2 protocol.

If it does not (or you use the SATA connection) then you lose the advantage of an M.2 connection.

[Veniat]

I have noticed a minor difference in Fallout 4 specifically but only during loading times mostly, never when just walking around external cells.  Only real thing that made a difference is making sure you install it on a drive separate to your operating system, not sure if it's just the standard stuff windows does whilst it's operating or some security thing but I have seen a change between using it on my drive SSD and my gaming dedicated SSD even though they're the exact same model and config. 

Yeah though, it's only a difference of a few seconds at the most and only in loading screens, not really worth the cost unless you really want a M.2 SSD for other things.  

[RockMic]

Well since I do not have to transfer large amounts of GB, I think I save a bit of money by buying a regular SSD.
Thanks for the information.

[pinky6225]

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

[Guest]

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

 

Loading times will be reduced.

But for sure no impact on FPS.

[pinky6225]

 

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

 

Loading times will be reduced.

But for sure no impact on FPS.

 

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

 

[RockMic]

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

You are confusing a HD or an SSD did not improve FPS for those you need to buy a more powerful GPU.

[Veniat]

 

 

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

 

Loading times will be reduced.

But for sure no impact on FPS.

 

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

 

Changing an ini setting won't do much about your loading times, the files still have to be loaded into memory from your drive whether it's a SSD or HD, even with a SSD it depends on your processor and ram as well. 

[aim4it]

 

 

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

 

Loading times will be reduced.

But for sure no impact on FPS.

 

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

 

I believe that only has to do with the papyrus engine and scripts, not resources like models, textures, and sounds.

 

 

[Nazzzgul666]

 

 

When i upgraded from a HDD to a SSD i ran 3dmark benchmark before the replacement and then again after the replacement and there was no improvement in fps, i've not really noticed anything in game being better since the upgrade either so i dont think you will see much/any improvement

 

Loading times will be reduced.

But for sure no impact on FPS.

 

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

I'm a bit confused about that thing myself, maybe i just have a bad feeling for times, but my setting is even at 2500 MS and i could swear that some loading screens are shorter than those minimum 2.5 seconds.

My Skyrim is installed on HDD, but saves and logs go to SSD usually, didn't notice any difference when i used seperate saves on HDD (MO setting) either. But that was before i upgraded to FNIS XXL and i'm already hitting it's 12k animation limit, this definitly increased loading times... didn't try HDD saves since then. Maybe there they would be slow enough to feel the difference.

[Guest]

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

 

This value is the value granted to the VM to do whatever it has to do, before starting the actual playing and after the cell is loaded.

Of course, increasing it too much will just increase load times.

2 seconds should be OK for about all situations, if you have no bad scripted mods, probably you can reduce it further without big penalties (the VM will still do its job, just after the playing will start.

 

But will not change a bit the loading time of all items that have to be loaded (usually they are some not important esp data loading, mesh loading and textures loading.)

Now, a huge difference is visible when you have all bsa uncompressed. If they are compressed SSD or not will not make a huge difference.

 

I was able to load a save in less than one second on my old Samsung EVO Pro 860 with all file set to loose.

[27X]

The largest overall bottleneck to Bethesda games is memory speed, both graphics and system, the next largest bottleneck will throughput speed which is where an SSD would come in. Basically, if you're not using a M.2 slot at full bandwidth, you're going to see little benefit to TES V or FO4.

[RockMic]

So with an SSD it is better to take the loose version of a mod, or to make it uncompromising.

[27X]

Depends on the mod, if it has 4Kx4 textures and higher than normal polys or extensive navmesh edits, then loose is the way to go, if it's just pex, psc and papyrus then it won't matter.

[pinky6225]

 

 

Regarding the loading time, aren't we wiping that out by having fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=2000.0 in our skyrim.ini under [Papyrus] which i've seen advocated quite a lot if you are running script heavy mods

 

 

This value is the value granted to the VM to do whatever it has to do, before starting the actual playing and after the cell is loaded.

Of course, increasing it too much will just increase load times.

2 seconds should be OK for about all situations, if you have no bad scripted mods, probably you can reduce it further without big penalties (the VM will still do its job, just after the playing will start.

 

But will not change a bit the loading time of all items that have to be loaded (usually they are some not important esp data loading, mesh loading and textures loading.)

Now, a huge difference is visible when you have all bsa uncompressed. If they are compressed SSD or not will not make a huge difference.

 

I was able to load a save in less than one second on my old Samsung EVO Pro 860 with all file set to loose.

 

 

okay cheers for the explination, i was thinking on things like cell change (where loading time would bother me) they would be running in parallel and as we were giving more time to papyrus it would always end second so any benefit would be swallowed up