HDT SMP for SSE?

*ousnius* · January 6, 2018

1 hour ago, prZ said:

The Le plugin uses , for floats if you run eu keyboard layout while the non eu layout uses .

I don't know why this is, was a common problem on le sse but it's not a problem in sse smp.

These wigs are for le indeed.

Maybe you just port the one you need for testing. A ported pack would also be awesome for the community indeed ;D

Did you make the SMP port of the wigs? If so, then I only need permissions from the KS Hairdo's people and you, then I can look into making an SSE release of it for the Nexus with all the bugs fixed.

TheWilloughbian · January 7, 2018

Well I think this is starting to look pretty good. There's a few things that could be better. But I think this is quite playable as it is.

Thanks to Ousnius and Caliente for Bodyslide and Outfit Studio, and thanks to prZ for the smp capes/cloaks and the XMLs.

Really sorry for the horrific audio. I'll try to get it sorted next time.

Here's my edit of the XML, if anyone wants to take a look. I don't know who the original author is.

Spoiler

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<per-triangle-shape name="VirtualGround">
    <margin>5</margin>
    <prenetration>1</prenetration>
    <tag>ground</tag>
</per-triangle-shape>

   <bone-default>
  <restitution>0.3</restitution>
</bone-default>

<generic-constraint-default>
    <frameInA>
      <basis x="0" y="0" z="0" w="1"/>
      <origin x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    </frameInA>
    <useLinearReferenceFrameA>false</useLinearReferenceFrameA>
    <linearLowerLimit x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <linearUpperLimit x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <angularLowerLimit x="-0.09" y="-0.05" z="-0.3"/>
    <angularUpperLimit x="0.09" y="0.05" z="0.3"/>
    <linearStiffness x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <angularStiffness x="45" y="20" z="0"/>
    <linearDamping x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <angularDamping x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <linearEquilibrium x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
    <angularEquilibrium x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
</generic-constraint-default>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone007" bodyB ="Bone006"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone008" bodyB ="Bone007"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone009" bodyB ="Bone008"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone010" bodyB ="Bone009"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone017" bodyB ="Bone016"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone018" bodyB ="Bone017"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone019" bodyB ="Bone018"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone020" bodyB ="Bone019"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone027" bodyB ="Bone026"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone028" bodyB ="Bone027"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone029" bodyB ="Bone028"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone030" bodyB ="Bone029"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone037" bodyB ="Bone036"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone038" bodyB ="Bone037"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone039" bodyB ="Bone038"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone040" bodyB ="Bone039"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone047" bodyB ="Bone046"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone048" bodyB ="Bone047"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone049" bodyB ="Bone048"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone050" bodyB ="Bone049"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone057" bodyB ="Bone056"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone058" bodyB ="Bone057"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone059" bodyB ="Bone058"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone060" bodyB ="Bone059"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<generic-constraint-default>
  <frameInA>
   <basis x="0" y="0" z="0" w="1"/>
   <origin x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  </frameInA>
    <useLinearReferenceFrameA>false</useLinearReferenceFrameA>
  <linearLowerLimit x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  <linearUpperLimit x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  <angularLowerLimit x="-0.01" y="-0.2" z="-0.1"/>
  <angularUpperLimit x="0.01" y="0.2" z="0.1"/>
           <linearStiffness x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
           <angularStiffness x="100" y="0" z="0"/>
  <linearDamping x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  <angularDamping x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  <linearEquilibrium x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
  <angularEquilibrium x="0" y="0" z="0"/>
</generic-constraint-default>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone002" bodyB ="Bone001"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone003" bodyB ="Bone002"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone004" bodyB ="Bone003"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone005" bodyB ="Bone004"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone006" bodyB ="Bone005"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone012" bodyB ="Bone011"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone013" bodyB ="Bone012"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone014" bodyB ="Bone013"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone015" bodyB ="Bone014"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone016" bodyB ="Bone015"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone022" bodyB ="Bone021"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone023" bodyB ="Bone022"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone024" bodyB ="Bone023"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone025" bodyB ="Bone024"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone026" bodyB ="Bone025"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone032" bodyB ="Bone031"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone033" bodyB ="Bone032"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone034" bodyB ="Bone033"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone035" bodyB ="Bone034"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone036" bodyB ="Bone035"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone042" bodyB ="Bone041"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone043" bodyB ="Bone042"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone044" bodyB ="Bone043"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone045" bodyB ="Bone044"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone046" bodyB ="Bone045"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone052" bodyB ="Bone051"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone053" bodyB ="Bone052"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone054" bodyB ="Bone053"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone055" bodyB ="Bone054"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone056" bodyB ="Bone055"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<generic-constraint-default>
    <frameInLerp>
   <translationLerp>0.5</translationLerp>
   <rotationLerp>0.5</rotationLerp>
    </frameInLerp>
    <angularLowerLimit x="-1" y="-1" z="-1"/>
    <angularUpperLimit x="1" y="1" z="1"/>
    <angularStiffness x="1000" y="1000" z="1000"/>
</generic-constraint-default>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone010" bodyB ="Bone020"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone020" bodyB ="Bone030"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone030" bodyB ="Bone040"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone040" bodyB ="Bone050"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone050" bodyB ="Bone060"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone009" bodyB ="Bone019"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone019" bodyB ="Bone029"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone029" bodyB ="Bone039"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone039" bodyB ="Bone049"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone049" bodyB ="Bone059"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone008" bodyB ="Bone018"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone018" bodyB ="Bone028"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone028" bodyB ="Bone038"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone038" bodyB ="Bone048"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone048" bodyB ="Bone058"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone007" bodyB ="Bone017"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone017" bodyB ="Bone027"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone027" bodyB ="Bone037"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone037" bodyB ="Bone047"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone047" bodyB ="Bone057"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone006" bodyB ="Bone016"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone016" bodyB ="Bone026"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone026" bodyB ="Bone036"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone036" bodyB ="Bone046"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone046" bodyB ="Bone056"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone005" bodyB ="Bone015"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone015" bodyB ="Bone025"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone025" bodyB ="Bone035"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone035" bodyB ="Bone045"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone045" bodyB ="Bone055"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone004" bodyB ="Bone014"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone014" bodyB ="Bone024"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone024" bodyB ="Bone034"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone034" bodyB ="Bone044"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone044" bodyB ="Bone054"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone003" bodyB ="Bone013"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone013" bodyB ="Bone023"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone023" bodyB ="Bone033"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone033" bodyB ="Bone043"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone043" bodyB ="Bone053"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

<constraint-group>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone002" bodyB ="Bone012"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone012" bodyB ="Bone022"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone022" bodyB ="Bone032"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone032" bodyB ="Bone042"></generic-constraint>
  <generic-constraint bodyA="Bone042" bodyB ="Bone052"></generic-constraint>
</constraint-group>

    <per-triangle-shape name="Cape">
    <margin>1</margin>
    <prenetration>0</prenetration>
    <tag>cloth</tag>
  <no-collide-with-tag>hands</no-collide-with-tag>
     <no-collide-with-tag>body</no-collide-with-tag>
  <no-collide-with-tag>cloth</no-collide-with-tag>
  <no-collide-with-bone>NPC L Breast</no-collide-with-bone>
  <no-collide-with-bone>NPC R Breast</no-collide-with-bone>
  <no-collide-with-bone>NPC L Breast01</no-collide-with-bone>
  <no-collide-with-bone>NPC R Breast01</no-collide-with-bone>
</per-triangle-shape>

</system>

*ousnius* · January 7, 2018

Converted all the wigs for SSE, they work well. Probably not perfect, but pretty good.

I ended up setting the prenetration of the body shape to 0.2 and the labia to 0.05 (margin both at 0.0).

I did find some more bugs in HDT SMP itself (I think), though. After I equipped too many wigs or on certain other occasions, sometimes the physics stop working and shortly after the game either crashes or I go to 1 FPS with 100% CPU usage.

January 7, 2018

9 hours ago, ousnius said:

Did you make the SMP port of the wigs? If so, then I only need permissions from the KS Hairdo's people and you, then I can look into making an SSE release of it for the Nexus with all the bugs fixed.

The smp wigs are made by farass here on ll.

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/68070-tutorial-how-to-make-hdt-meshes-work-with-hdt-smp/?tab=comments#comment-1709741

*ousnius* · January 7, 2018

There's a problem I still have with the SMP wigs. The hair meshes are doubled (so I get two ponytails etc.).

I've already tried the obvious thing - removing the duplicate BSTriShapes from the NIF (those that are used to get correct alpha rendering everywhere).

But it wasn't that, even with just one shape, I still get doubled hair. :confused:

*ousnius* · January 7, 2018

Unfortunately the doubled hair issue can't be fixed unless I redo the meshes from scratch (the actual geometry is doubled in them).

However, that's too much work and hassle, so I'm not gonna do that.

Here's the files, though. No requirements needed.

Credits to Kalilies, Stealthic, montyj, farass, prZ, HydrogensaysHDT and me.

KS Wigs HDT SMP SE.7z

Creiz · January 7, 2018

Gracias. I don't mind the doubled meshes. It makes the hair a bit interesting lol. Thanks for taking the time to do that, though. I tried doing some myself and damn me was it tedious.

idgaflulz · January 7, 2018

I didn't have the doubled hair, as far as I could tell, but I did see the hair clipping through the body (back/shoulders). Maybe one of my xml config files is out of date?

minalia · January 7, 2018

Testing out KS Wigs HDT SMP SE.7z

I noticed double clip of hair in a handful of them. Also a few have the infinite stretch bug. Another issue is that of them hairs also caused some massive frame drops and a ctd followed soon after. Leaving to main menu and re downloading a save did not fix this issue. I need to recheck if the issue with the drop of frame rate is tied to the same wig or if it is random.

Edit. Yeah the ctd is entirely random whenever you switch ks wigs with hdt from a hour of testing. Also the hdt smp went bonkers and ceased working + massive frame drop.

*ousnius* · January 7, 2018

1 hour ago, minalia said:

Testing out KS Wigs HDT SMP SE.7z

I noticed double clip of hair in a handful of them. Also a few have the infinite stretch bug. Another issue is that of them hairs also caused some massive frame drops and a ctd followed soon after. Leaving to main menu and re downloading a save did not fix this issue. I need to recheck if the issue with the drop of frame rate is tied to the same wig or if it is random.

Edit. Yeah the ctd is entirely random whenever you switch ks wigs with hdt from a hour of testing. Also the hdt smp went bonkers and ceased working + massive frame drop.

I noticed the "infinite stretch bug" into the ground as well, so I inspected all of the XML files to see if it was due to missing parent bones or constraints, or other errors. However, there are no errors. The stretch was always fixed for me when I reequipped the wig a few times. So it's probably a bug in HDT SMP or so?

I also noticed some infinite stretching bugs with the body when walking near NPCs outside, but I haven't seen it anymore lately.

*ousnius* · January 7, 2018

2 hours ago, idgaflulz said:

I didn't have the doubled hair, as far as I could tell, but I did see the hair clipping through the body (back/shoulders). Maybe one of my xml config files is out of date?

Your body configuration needs to have a margin or prenetration that makes the hair collide earlier. Try the latest CBBE SSE ones I have on the Nexus mod page. They have a margin of 0.0 and a prenetration of 0.2 on a triangle shape.

gorgleHK56 · January 7, 2018

Hello. Tried out the KS Wig. I've not played Oldrim before so don't know how physics engine worked there.

Anyway, most of the wigs worked great. But I think the ones with long hair example: Babydoll, they have kinda unrealistic hair movement :tongue: . Shorter ones look great and pretty realistic too. Thanks for making this

idgaflulz · January 7, 2018

47 minutes ago, ousnius said:

Your body configuration needs to have a margin or prenetration that makes the hair collide earlier. Try the latest CBBE SSE ones I have on the Nexus mod page. They have a margin of 0.0 and a prenetration of 0.2 on a triangle shape.

Cool, the file versioned 1.0.3 did help with that. I had 1.0.2 before, I think.

lordrahl · January 7, 2018

12 minutes ago, gorgleHK56 said:

Hello. Tried out the KS Wig. I've not played Oldrim before so don't know how physics engine worked there.

Anyway, most of the wigs worked great. But I think the ones with long hair example: Babydoll, they have kinda unrealistic hair movement . Shorter ones look great and pretty realistic too. Thanks for making this

I can confirm the new configuration does help but there is still a big fps loss. I tried a clean save with the wigs and with just SMP. It is the SMP that is causing the FPS loss . Out in the exterior world SMP seems to be fine but in some interior cells there is huge FPS loss. The one wig that stretched on forever was the Kyiko.

I also tired with out SMP installed in those same interior areas and there was no FPS loss.

BenChang · January 7, 2018

Why would you want HDT-SMP on SSE? At least use HDT-PE.

I've had incessant CTDs from animations for 1.5 years and only yesterday found out they were because of SMP. Game ran hitchlessly without SMP

gorgleHK56 · January 8, 2018

22 minutes ago, BenChang said:

Why would you want HDT-SMP on SSE? At least use HDT-PE.

I've had incessant CTDs from animations for 1.5 years and only yesterday found out they were because of SMP. Game ran hitchlessly without SMP

PE isn't and won't ever be available on SSE. I suppose you are new here

BenChang · January 8, 2018

2 hours ago, gorgleHK56 said:

PE isn't and won't ever be available on SSE. I suppose you are new here

I'm new to SSE, that's for sure. Why is it not available for SSE? I assumed being 64-bit would make it work better

daedrasp · January 8, 2018

1 hour ago, BenChang said:

I'm new to SSE, that's for sure. Why is it not available for SSE? I assumed being 64-bit would make it work better

Author(hydrogensayshdt) say "No more HDT-PE development" and She made HDT-SMP own project.

Some people until use hdt-pe but it include many bug, and no more free after Intel buy Havok!

Edit: Oh.. Intel sell havok to MS 2015. I confused. Intel buy havok 2007 and sell at 2015.

wibllewobble · January 8, 2018

HDT-PE requires the havoc library, there is no publicly available 64bit havoc library, so it isn’t going to happen even if hydrogensays wanted it to.

SMP uses bullet, which is more stable in general.

January 8, 2018

14 hours ago, lordrahl said:

I can confirm the new configuration does help but there is still a big fps loss. I tried a clean save with the wigs and with just SMP. It is the SMP that is causing the FPS loss . Out in the exterior world SMP seems to be fine but in some interior cells there is huge FPS loss. The one wig that stretched on forever was the Kyiko.

I also tired with out SMP installed in those same interior areas and there was no FPS loss.

of course there is a fps. its a alpha plugin. sse release also threw it back some releases.

11 hours ago, BenChang said:

I'm new to SSE, that's for sure. Why is it not available for SSE? I assumed being 64-bit would make it work better

if somebody ever ask this question again i will launch a nuclear missile and destroy the planet.

smp was created due to the fact the havok librarys are not open available since intel bought it. pe uses them.

smp uses free bullet physics librarys. also its much simpler to work with it for so many reasons.

January 8, 2018

3 hours ago, daedrasp said:

Author(hydrogensayshdt) say "No more HDT-PE development" and She made HDT-SMP own project.

Some people until use hdt-pe but it include many bug, and no more free after Intel buy Havok!

Edit: Oh.. Intel sell havok to MS 2015. I confused. Intel buy havok 2007 and sell at 2015.

yea, now intel buys ms and get it back for free. havok was only a trojan horse.

January 8, 2018

tweaked xml for 7b preset with better bounce

CBBE.xml

edit: i managed to get jiggly belly, but i am not allowed to post modified nif files of cbbe.

you can do it yourself in the following steps:

1)get the xml for belly

~~CBBEwithbelly.rar~~

CBBEwithbellyfixed.rar

2)download the weightpainted reference shape

cbbe belly weightpaint.nif

3)open up outfit studio and chose import>nif, import your cbbe64 special body _0, press no when it askes you to optimize the mesh!

4)click import and choose the reference shape downloaded here.

5)mark the imported baseshape as reference, switch over to the bones tab and chose NPC Belly, switch back to the shapes tab, right click CBBE and chose copy selected weights

6)delete the reference shape and export as femalebody_0.nif

7)redo the steps for the _1.nif

8)profit

~~will now start to tweak the belly to something that dont looks like somebody who lost ~250 kilos of weight~~

next will be thighs

*ousnius* · January 8, 2018

7 hours ago, prZ said:

tweaked xml for 7b preset with better bounce

CBBE.xml

edit: i managed to get jiggly belly, but i am not allowed to post modified nif files of cbbe.

you can do it yourself in the following steps:

1)get the xml for belly

~~CBBEwithbelly.rar~~

CBBEwithbellyfixed.rar

2)download the weightpainted reference shape

cbbe belly weightpaint.nif

3)open up outfit studio and chose import>nif, import your cbbe64 special body _0, press no when it askes you to optimize the mesh!

4)click import and choose the reference shape downloaded here.

5)mark the imported baseshape as reference, switch over to the bones tab and chose NPC Belly, switch back to the shapes tab, right click CBBE and chose copy selected weights

6)delete the reference shape and export as femalebody_0.nif

7)redo the steps for the _1.nif

8)profit

~~will now start to tweak the belly to something that dont looks like somebody who lost ~250 kilos of weight~~

next will be thighs

Doing this will destroy the spine weighting that the new CBBE SE has and it'll move way worse in regular animations or poses, because exporting with more than 4 weights per vertex drops the least weighted ones. Feel free to do it yourselves, but that's the reason I'm not gonna do it on the main mod myself.

lordrahl · January 8, 2018

13 hours ago, prZ said:

of course there is a fps. its a alpha plugin. sse release also threw it back some releases.

if somebody ever ask this question again i will launch a nuclear missile and destroy the planet.

smp was created due to the fact the havok librarys are not open available since intel bought it. pe uses them.

smp uses free bullet physics librarys. also its much simpler to work with it for so many reasons.

I realize its alpha and i meant nothing negative I was just confirming some one else's suspicion!

coffee addict · January 9, 2018

Disclaimer: sorry, I'm new to this

Just to start with; what is the xml in the hdtSkinnedMeshConfigs that gives the physics values to the body/skeleton or are those xml's even viable for physics -> do they need extra lines or are they even the ones that give physics. I'm using just the basic cbbe body (meshes)

... what do I need to do to get body physics work in NIFskope :neutral: Do I need to mess with NiNode's or the BSTriShape. Main question being does this (a-guide-to-hdt-smp-usersmodders) still apply to this smp and the newer version of NifSkope

There's just so much basic information that I'm missing / isn't declared in that guide that I'd like to understand before just starting to copy and paste stepinformation into scriptfolders.

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