Thoughts on gtx1080

[zzz72w3r]

 

 

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

 

You do realize that video agrees with 99% of what I said which is hardly debunking my "theory". 

 

1. The bottleneck appears only if you want very high frame rates.  Yeah, to get super high frame rates you would run into CPU bottleneck and that is because you artificially remove the GPU as a bottleneck.  As I said other than super high twitch fans or professional eSports players hardly anyone needs those kind of fps.  Testers remove the GPU bottleneck two ways, the first is using super expensive graphic cards and the second is to lower the resolution to levels we probably don't want to play in.  To everyone else other than that elite group of users we will run into the GPU bottleneck way before we even see the CPU bottleneck.   

 

2. Toward the very end he said in game like TW3, which is not a console port, there is no CPU bottleneck.  The lag and stuttering is game dependent.  I concede some of that can be alleviated by using more recent CPU but it's a very expensive solution to fix problems caused by poorly coded games.

 

 

 

 

Nnnope. The bottleneck will most assuredly appear at 2K and 4K, period.

 

If you want to continue playing your games on a Vizio $200 TV @720p and have some visual defect where you can't tell the difference between 30 and 120 fps, knock yourself out.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, the i5 and first three gens of i7, while it lasted for many moons of dominance are coming to a close as a "just throw a card in there and forget" solution. Those aren't suppositions, that's the simple march of factual progression, and slowly but surely 60 locked is being superseded by 90 locked for MINIMUM headache free VR and 120 will be the new "normal" by 2018.

 

Just because you can throw a 850Evo on a sata 1 connection with an adapter doesn't mean you should, if you expect to get good use out of it.

 

 

 

You attitude is basically saying anyone chose to spend $60K on Mercedes over a Corvette do not know cars.  That statement is only true for a very small percentage of the population. 

[RitualClarity]

I am having thoughts on buying a gtx1080 and i am wondering if it's going to be bottlenecked by my proccessor and ram memory

Right now my pc works with a gtx 770@2gb an intel core i7-4770@3,4GHz 3,4Gz and 16GB ram @1600MHz

 

Do i need to upgrade proccessor and ram too?

My main goal is to be able to play heavy modded Skyrim with a demanding enb and at least 2k textures - parallax for characters, flora, fauna buildings etc,sexlab mods ,lots of custom followers etc and high fps  

 

 

 

 

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

 

You do realize that video agrees with 99% of what I said which is hardly debunking my "theory". 

 

1. The bottleneck appears only if you want very high frame rates.  Yeah, to get super high frame rates you would run into CPU bottleneck and that is because you artificially remove the GPU as a bottleneck.  As I said other than super high twitch fans or professional eSports players hardly anyone needs those kind of fps.  Testers remove the GPU bottleneck two ways, the first is using super expensive graphic cards and the second is to lower the resolution to levels we probably don't want to play in.  To everyone else other than that elite group of users we will run into the GPU bottleneck way before we even see the CPU bottleneck.   

 

2. Toward the very end he said in game like TW3, which is not a console port, there is no CPU bottleneck.  The lag and stuttering is game dependent.  I concede some of that can be alleviated by using more recent CPU but it's a very expensive solution to fix problems caused by poorly coded games.

 

 

 

 

Nnnope. The bottleneck will most assuredly appear at 2K and 4K, period.

 

If you want to continue playing your games on a Vizio $200 TV @720p and have some visual defect where you can't tell the difference between 30 and 120 fps, knock yourself out.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, the i5 and first three gens of i7, while it lasted for many moons of dominance are coming to a close as a "just throw a card in there and forget" solution. Those aren't suppositions, that's the simple march of factual progression, and slowly but surely 60 locked is being superseded by 90 locked for MINIMUM headache free VR and 120 will be the new "normal" by 2018.

 

Just because you can throw a 850Evo on a sata 1 connection with an adapter doesn't mean you should, if you expect to get good use out of it.

 

 

You and others are getting ahead of the OP's need. He wants to run SKYRIM with some better textures and graphics than he was before. He really only needs the Vram increase over the 770. (which I believe came with 2gb)

 

Now the1080 is a bit overkill and yes... will start to bottle neck him if he starts trying to run 2k~4k monitors but that isnt' what he has or has expressed a desire to do. It would be great and yes... fully use the 1080 and even the new 1080TI and titan that comes out if he upgrades to a nice 6700K and 16gigs of fast ram. However that would be the liking of adding a v10 to a Volkswagen bug (circa 1968). Lots of power but with the monitor ... nothing of use.

 

Adding a SSD to a Sata 1 does work very well as there is less latency even though capped at effective 150~200mb. That is still 150~200mb over what normally would be 25~80mb of a mechanical (sustained) and perhaps a burst of 60~120 or so. Hell not even having fragmentation is a boon if you constantly mess and fuss with the files (causing fragmentation) and save you time from fragmenting the drive so often. (adding to the wear and tear of the drive as well) I know.. I have a vista era laptop and putting an old SATA 1 SSD even revived the laptop greatly. Much, Much more responsive and pleasurable to use. No lag, or wait for stuff to load as it was before (with a 5400rpm drive in it)

 

The OP only really needs a decent Graphics card with high VRAM and if desired overclock the processor, get a nice set of fast ram and perhaps an SSD and he/she will be doing pretty good. The money saved over getting a 1080 could go into getting a nicer monitor to enjoy all those nice texture and ENBs that is being used.

 

~200 to 250 for a nice graphics card with high VRAM (gpu processor same or higher than currently used)

~150 to 250 for a nice monitor (1080 p) that can display all the nice new textures and enb that are able to be used.

Nice overclock of the processor = Free

Nice overclock of the graphics card =Free

Nice overclock of the ram if possible =Free (if needed get faster ram to for <150 or so)

 

So for 500 or less the OP should be able to do much of what he / she wants to do and actually see the results. About the price of a 1080. Not going to be the 1080 goodness but also less likely to bottleneck and will give a nice monitor to display the improved gaming that is able to be done to boot.

[27X]

 

 

 

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

 

You do realize that video agrees with 99% of what I said which is hardly debunking my "theory". 

 

1. The bottleneck appears only if you want very high frame rates.  Yeah, to get super high frame rates you would run into CPU bottleneck and that is because you artificially remove the GPU as a bottleneck.  As I said other than super high twitch fans or professional eSports players hardly anyone needs those kind of fps.  Testers remove the GPU bottleneck two ways, the first is using super expensive graphic cards and the second is to lower the resolution to levels we probably don't want to play in.  To everyone else other than that elite group of users we will run into the GPU bottleneck way before we even see the CPU bottleneck.   

 

2. Toward the very end he said in game like TW3, which is not a console port, there is no CPU bottleneck.  The lag and stuttering is game dependent.  I concede some of that can be alleviated by using more recent CPU but it's a very expensive solution to fix problems caused by poorly coded games.

 

 

 

 

Nnnope. The bottleneck will most assuredly appear at 2K and 4K, period.

 

If you want to continue playing your games on a Vizio $200 TV @720p and have some visual defect where you can't tell the difference between 30 and 120 fps, knock yourself out.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, the i5 and first three gens of i7, while it lasted for many moons of dominance are coming to a close as a "just throw a card in there and forget" solution. Those aren't suppositions, that's the simple march of factual progression, and slowly but surely 60 locked is being superseded by 90 locked for MINIMUM headache free VR and 120 will be the new "normal" by 2018.

 

Just because you can throw a 850Evo on a sata 1 connection with an adapter doesn't mean you should, if you expect to get good use out of it.

 

 

 

You attitude is basically saying anyone chose to spend $60K on Mercedes over a Corvette do not know cars.  That statement is only true for a very small percentage of the population. 

 

 

My attitude is basically saying the honeymoon of the infinite i5 summer of love is coming to a close, and you should be happy it lasted as long as it did.

 

 

 

for what he wants

 

No such animal, I said his memory would be a bottleneck because that is a factual truth. The end. Whether he notices or not or cares or not or is bothered is another thing entirely.

[Potataowolf]

 

Thanks for the interesting watch, and the follow up vid that compares 2500k to 3770k is good too.

It reconfirms my brilliant investment in the 3570k, and now I paired it up with a GTX1080 I am the very happy bunny, currently playing Witcher 3 at 120-+fps and around 40c. I'm sure the GTX680 it replaced would be frying eggs.

 

Thoughts on GTX1080?...  Get it, you'll love it.

[Spectre_Ops]

I am having thoughts on buying a gtx1080 and i am wondering if it's going to be bottlenecked by my proccessor and ram memory

Right now my pc works with a gtx 770@2gb an intel core i7-4770@3,4GHz 3,4Gz and 16GB ram @1600MHz

 

Do i need to upgrade proccessor and ram too?

My main goal is to be able to play heavy modded Skyrim with a demanding enb and at least 2k textures - parallax for characters, flora, fauna buildings etc,sexlab mods ,lots of custom followers etc and high fps  

I just bought the 1080 a few weeks ago, although the 1070 gives you the best bang for your buck.  As for bottlenecking, you shouldn't have any issues.  Hell, I'm running an AMD FX 8350 overclocked to 4.8GHZ, and my cpu usage in Battlefield 1 on ultra settings on 4k is around 30%.  My Skyrim game is heavily modded, and my cpu usage is around 35%  So you will have no issues at all.

[Potataowolf]

oh yeah, I forgot to mention core usage. Its something like

 

0: 50

1: 50

2: 70

3: 50

 

[Lastbdsm]

@Potataowolf

 

Your welcome bro.

Yep, that video is really informative for people who're still running sandy or ivybridge. And want to upgrade their GPU.

[Mrs Bittters]

I bought a gtx1080 recently, upgrading from a gtx970.  The difference was pretty huge.  I can play Skyrim with a high end ENB now and have 60 fps nearly all of the time \o/

 

 

17-4790 3.60ghz

16 gb ram

If going from 970 to 1080 is a huge difference, then I cant wait to get my 1070.  I have a 560ti 1GB connected to a magnavox 32" 720p tv.  Gonna replace that with a sony 43" x800d 4k but will probably play in 1080p just for the better framerate.  I'll have to see the difference in person between 1080p and 4k.  I also got an amd fx6100 so that could be an issue with 4k from what I've heard in this thread.  I went with amd because I heard that was the way to go for gamming but I guess things have changed since 2001.

[Lozeak]

I have a 1070 it's a really good card. New games seem to hit 70-100fps on a 2k monitor.

 

I would say 1080 is excessive for 1080p it is of course more future proof but it's more money wasted cause your buying the premium.

 

That said the 1080 is an epic card.

[peculiaris]

Im running a 4790k @ 4.6ghz with 16GB of corsair vengeance LP @ 1600mhz and a single gigabyte gtx 1080 g1 gaming (Second one is already on its way) and its in no way bottlenecking the system.

[Kaz Aanh]

Most games works fine in 4k with 1080 8k, its kinda overpriced though.

 

But no regrets so far, quite happy with the purchase.

 

Getting 1070 or 1060 is not a bad idea, they are hella cheaper and perfect if you are not into 4k meme gaming.

 

 

for someone who enjoy taking pictures in the games , its brilliant

 

[Hamguy31]

I am having thoughts on buying a gtx1080 and i am wondering if it's going to be bottlenecked by my proccessor and ram memory

Right now my pc works with a gtx 770@2gb an intel core i7-4770@3,4GHz 3,4Gz and 16GB ram @1600MHz

 

Do i need to upgrade proccessor and ram too?

My main goal is to be able to play heavy modded Skyrim with a demanding enb and at least 2k textures - parallax for characters, flora, fauna buildings etc,sexlab mods ,lots of custom followers etc and high fps  

the biggest bottleneck of any PC is its hard-drive. get a fast SSD+any hard-drive, install your os on the SSD.

 

Everything else in your system is fine, No need to overclock.

get a graphics card with high vram.

[Citronella]

If anyone is planning to buy EVGA GTX 1070 or 1080.

 

I'm just going to leave this here in case someone missed the news:

 

Nvidia GTX 1080 & 1070 EVGA Cards Reportedly Catching Fire & Dying Due To Overheating VRMs

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-1070-evga-cards-dying/

 

 

I'm curious if only EVGA cards are affected.

[Guest nvidiot]

The GTX 1080 would be a complete waste for 1080p. It's really built for gaming at 1440p+ resolutions. You'd be a lot better off with a 1070 and use the money you save towards something better. 

[27X]

Untrue.

 

Dx12 titles can absolutely kill a 1080 even at 1080p.

 

 

 

evga

 

The cards in question were running furmark for hours on end, which just about the dumbest thing you can do, also evga and msi are offering free cooling pads if you've purchased with them.

[Kaz Aanh]

 

I bought a gtx1080 recently, upgrading from a gtx970.  The difference was pretty huge.  I can play Skyrim with a high end ENB now and have 60 fps nearly all of the time \o/

 

 

17-4790 3.60ghz

16 gb ram

If going from 970 to 1080 is a huge difference, then I cant wait to get my 1070.  I have a 560ti 1GB connected to a magnavox 32" 720p tv.  Gonna replace that with a sony 43" x800d 4k but will probably play in 1080p just for the better framerate.  I'll have to see the difference in person between 1080p and 4k.  I also got an amd fx6100 so that could be an issue with 4k from what I've heard in this thread.  I went with amd because I heard that was the way to go for gamming but I guess things have changed since 2001.

 

 

Thats not really a true though. As a owner of 1080 8k

 

With 221 plugins and plenty of graphical mods ( most of them are 2k textures compressed to dxt1 , not including character textures ) , my Skyrim still crashes, lags . In 4k with enb on I get like 20-25 fps, don't expect to get 60fps with snapdragons/rampage or other meme popular enbs.

 

Tested with smaller amount of plugins and with 50-100 game runs pretty decent, its all about file organizing and optimizing your game/inis to make it run better.

 

Funny though other games run flawless at 4k 60 fps

 

[Babzero]

Interesting thought and Ideas...

I'm tempted to buy 1080 too. But been holding off  when a rumor I heard that VEGA is rolling out [2017] next year with Pascal V2, aiming for a stand off.

If I buy 1080 now, with no competition on amd. It feels like a robbery. Pun intended, if you have to. My old 980 is still running solid for now. I guess I'll have to wait.

[squall1151]

I originally had a EVGA 780 bought a zotac 1070 for £430 from scan and its a monster! I really

suggest this card over a 1080 since I'm getting 60 fps on witcher 3 at max with graphic mods

but if you can afford a 1080 go for it.

 

I've done bench marks and it so fast and I'm not even overclocked. The boost clock is 1835hz i think or close to and you can easily get 2100hz+ out of since its so cool.

I haven't overclocked yet, since i don't need to but after doing research on this card i have found that it can be overclocked to the same spec as a 1080.

I do have an i7 3770 witch is really good as well but if you do get a new cpu then i strongly recommend a k series since it can be overclocked, its always good to that that

option if you need it, I wish i got the i7 3770k now.

 

Also your ram is fine i have 16gb as well anything over would be overkill im guessing you have 2 8gb? if so do the same when you need extra

but that wont be for a while yet.

[stalfos81]

Just built a new system

 

AMD 8350 black edition at 4.0 CPU

Asus Stryx Gtx1070 GPU

Asus 970 pro gaming aura MB 8GB vram

Coolermaster haf 912 Case

Coolermaster master air maker 8 heatsink with dual 140mm fans

Corsair vengeance 1600 DDR3 32 GB ram

Antec 750 Modular PSU

Samsung evo 850 - 250GB and 500GB SSD (250 for os 500 for games)

western digital 1TB black edition HDD for back up

5 120mm coolermaster silencio case fans 2 intake 3 exhaust

(LG ODD is the loudest part)

 

i would of went intel and 1080 with ddr4 ram but i decided to save an extra 1k

 

Is this enough to support a switch from CBBE to UNP?

[peculiaris]

Just built a new system

 

AMD 8350 black edition at 4.0 CPU

Asus Stryx Gtx1070 GPU

Asus 970 pro gaming aura MB 8GB vram

Coolermaster haf 912 Case

Coolermaster master air maker 8 heatsink with dual 140mm fans

Corsair vengeance 1600 DDR3 32 GB ram

Antec 750 Modular PSU

Samsung evo 850 - 250GB and 500GB SSD (250 for os 500 for games)

western digital 1TB black edition HDD for back up

5 120mm coolermaster silencio case fans 2 intake 3 exhaust

(LG ODD is the loudest part)

 

i would of went intel and 1080 with ddr4 ram but i decided to save an extra 1k

 

Is this enough to support a switch from CBBE to UNP?

 

You know that AMD will release their new CPU's within about 2 month's right? because those don't bottleneck the 1070 and a 8350 does...

[stalfos81]

yes i know i'm stuck with pcie2.0 for now my previous system was pcie1.0 had HDD failure so even with the bottle neck i'm expecting alot of performance improvements

[Guest]

My 1080ftw and 4790k run just about everything I have flawlessly at 60-100 fps on a 1440p monitor. But I would suggest getting a 1070 or something similar until theres a price drop. The cards are a tad expensive right now.