Thoughts on gtx1080

[Guest]

I am having thoughts on buying a gtx1080 and i am wondering if it's going to be bottlenecked by my proccessor and ram memory

Right now my pc works with a gtx 770@2gb an intel core i7-4770@3,4GHz 3,4Gz and 16GB ram @1600MHz

 

Do i need to upgrade proccessor and ram too?

My main goal is to be able to play heavy modded Skyrim with a demanding enb and at least 2k textures - parallax for characters, flora, fauna buildings etc,sexlab mods ,lots of custom followers etc and high fps  

[Testificateguy]

Your CPU/RAM is fine.  It will not bottleneck the 1080.  I did some tests with the 4770k and 4790k vs 6600k and 6700k (at stock speeds and at roughly 4.5Ghz OC) and in many games they really don't perform any different, or up to a 5-10fps difference.  So unless you have the money and desire to spend on a new CPU/Mobo/RAM, you'll be totally fine with only getting a 1080.

[Lastbdsm]

Bottleneck is there, but small and you won't really noticed it on your gameplay. Also because your system is still fairly balanced.
It's just your card won't run at 100% of it maximum potential. Yet if its above 60 fps for most games at your native resolution, then it's enough.

to reduce bottleneck, you can try these following :
- Overclock your CPU, to 4 Ghz at least.
- Upgrade to higher speed RAM, preferably 2133 or better, cause it'll help greatly on bottlenecked systems :

[imafaget]

If you are on Windows 10, then it may be more of a limit to you, since from what I've heard, Windows 10 only allows Skyrim (or any other DX9 application) to use up to 4GB of VRAM. 

 

I don't have the Skyrim resource manager installed, but when I use the Nvidia Dynamic Super Resolution tool to play Skyrim at 4K on my GTX 1080, some things may fail to render occasionally, especially in outdoor areas. By fail to render I mean an extreme FPS drop (especially when looking around), followed by temporary missing meshes such as character meshes disappearing (leaving floating head/eyes/mouth etc).

 

Not sure what exactly caused that problem, but returning to native resolution seems to have solved that problem so I suspect it may be the 4GB VRAM limit imposed by Windows 10. Of course, I may be talking nonsense since I'm not very versed in computer hardware

[Guest]

I run at windows 7 though my monitor is just 1k not 2k.Is gtx1080 an overkill for it?

[Slammer64]

There's no such thing as overkill, there's only "Open Fire!" and "Reloading!" 

[imafaget]

I run at windows 7 though my monitor is just 1k not 2k.Is gtx1080 an overkill for it?

 

Definitely overkill

 

Though with mods, Skyrim can be overkill on your system too. I'd say get what makes you happy as long as you can afford it. For me, I only change graphic cards every 4 years or so, so a GTX1080 will allow me to play the latest games till then, hopefully. Not sure about your upgrade cycle though.

 

The thing about Skyrim's engine is that, while it is very moddable, it comes at a stability cost. So even with high level hardware, it may still crash frequently depending on the mods installed (and even depending on how they are installed). So I'd say that after getting your new hardware, think long and hard about which mods you really need, and install them properly to reduce chances of failure. It took me a few reinstalls of Skyrim to get to my current stable configuration, even with my hardware (i7-6700K, 16GB RAM @ 2400MHz, and GTX1080).

[Guest]

I know!I too had to have several installation uninstallation cycles with my current system to have is stable.As of now, i rarelly have ctds (maybe one in a five to six hour gameplay) and i use many heavy scripted mods too.The problem i m having is that recent enb configs (the ones that matter that is featyre aspect wise) are too demanding and my fps drops to a point of no go,I tried optimising the games/mods textures and i had a go but sadly my game no doesn't look as sharp as it was in the past

 

Would you sudgest the gtx980ti instead of the gtx1080?Threre is a rather big difference in the vram department!

[canderes]

I bought one about a week ago, but I am using it with a really old motherboard, one of the pickiest ones I've ever seen. I have a DP45SG, it rejects almost any stick of RAM and many of the newer GPUs do not POST on it, I was planning on buying something on the upper high end of the AMD spectrum since the board has preference for crossfire over sli. Your motherboard is so new it probably wouldn't matter if you kept using the same memory. I am able to play Fallout 4 on ultra with everything turned all the way up and I get 60-80 fps. The only game my rig seems to have trouble with is ARK but that game runs about the same on almost any system higher end rig (I run it on high with no AA @ 2k and get about 50-70 fps, running everything at ultra + AA puts the game around 30-50fps.)

[redeyesandlonghair]

I bought a gtx1080 recently, upgrading from a gtx970.  The difference was pretty huge.  I can play Skyrim with a high end ENB now and have 60 fps nearly all of the time \o/

 

 

17-4790 3.60ghz

16 gb ram

[imafaget]

I know!I too had to have several installation uninstallation cycles with my current system to have is stable.As of now, i rarelly have ctds (maybe one in a five to six hour gameplay) and i use many heavy scripted mods too.The problem i m having is that recent enb configs (the ones that matter that is featyre aspect wise) are too demanding and my fps drops to a point of no go,I tried optimising the games/mods textures and i had a go but sadly my game no doesn't look as sharp as it was in the past

 

Would you sudgest the gtx980ti instead of the gtx1080?Threre is a rather big difference in the vram department!

 

I'd say the GTX 1080 over the GTX 980Ti, unless you do not plan on playing any DX12 titles. While the GTX 1000 series is not as good at DX12 as AMD GPUs, it still has an improved implementation of it over the GTX 900 series, which has been shown to suffer quite a bit in DX12 titles, if I remember correctly

[Slammer64]

While I have a 980 Ti, I'm not currently running any DX12 titles, so I'm going to wait and see if they decide to release a 1080 Ti, if they do, time for a complete rebuild!

[Krasovskiy]

What are 1080's owners thoughts on the card? Did you expect better or worse performance? I'm looking into getting a dual fan 1080 around Christmas or a holiday along with some upgrades.

 

For those curious, current specs:

 

 

CPU: i7 3770 3.4GHz

RAM: 8GB DRR3 @ 1600MHz of some fancy limited edition that was free for a day

GPU: a very old and barely functional GTX 550 Ti

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H

PSU: very new EVGA 750W

 

 

Planned upgrades:

 

 

-Double RAM from 8 to 16GB since I have the slots

-GTX 1080

-New case fans that don't suck

-Maaaaaybe a new CPU cooler, like x2 120 or 140mm fans.

 

 

[RitualClarity]

What are 1080's owners thoughts on the card? Did you expect better or worse performance? I'm looking into getting a dual fan 1080 around Christmas or a holiday along with some upgrades.

 

For those curious, current specs:

 

 

CPU: i7 3770 3.4GHz

RAM: 8GB DRR3 @ 1600MHz of some fancy limited edition that was free for a day

GPU: a very old and barely functional GTX 550 Ti

MOBO: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H

PSU: very new EVGA 750W

 

 

Planned upgrades:

 

 

-Double RAM from 8 to 16GB since I have the slots

-GTX 1080

-New case fans that don't suck

-Maaaaaybe a new CPU cooler, like x2 120 or 140mm fans.

 

 

Might have some slight bottlenecking with your setup even theplaned setup. Works best with the newer processors like the 4790 etc. If you want overclock to get more bandwidth might help. Since it is old if you plan on upgrading it but after awhile of using the 1080 might be a great idea because you don't care if you wear the processor down. Power should be good.

 

If you have a 1080 p monitor might not see much difference a slight improvement but not much more. I was just fine on a 670 except the 2gig vram. Upgraded it to a 970 and runing Witcher 3 just fine and looks great. (no mods yet.. no need )

 

So unless you are planing on upgrading your monitor ... to a 2k or 4 k one.. perhaps stick with a 1060~1070 and call it a day and save the money to the side for future upgrades or other fun stuff. Like new video games

 

If you happen to see some 980 or 980Ti for sale cheap.. (dirt cheap) get it instead and have the added vram for the newer titles.

[27X]

1600 ram is a definite bottleneck, and will definitely affect your frametime; it is not a crippling bottleneck, but it is a distinct one and will definitely lower your ->minimum<- framerate.

 

 

 

4790

 

nVidia actually recommends higher frequency and bandwidth over core count, so the cards works "best" with setups like the 6700K/6800.

[Pkatt]

interesting post.    I have almost identical system specs as you.  I was also planning on upgrading my 2gb 770 probably sometime next month.   I'm probably going with the 1070 though, but mainly its just financial reasons, just got to stay in my budget. 

[zzz72w3r]

I run at windows 7 though my monitor is just 1k not 2k.Is gtx1080 an overkill for it?

 

Yes.  You meant 1K as 1920x1080 and not 1024x720 right?  1024x720 you might as well just keep the gtx770.  Even gtx970 would be an overkill for that.

 

Also be mindful with the term "bottleneck".  When it comes to PC gaming the term is overused and often misused.  There is not a single game today where any CPU i5 equivalent or above can hold back a GPU below 60 fps.  If you cannot hit above 60fps, it is 100% due to GPU, or software cap.  CPU bottleneck has not been a real thing for at least 10 years and those tests are aimed at fast twitch fans or pro-eSports players who swear they can see the difference between 88 and 144 fps.  Side note, DX12 supposedly will allow game developers to use more CPU but we are still very early in its cycle.

 

Most stuttering or lag people often mistaken as bottleneck are poor coding or engine limitation (typically found in console ports) that no amount of raw hardware power can fix.

 

EDIT:  pretty good reddit on fps:  https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1vy3qe/how_many_frames_per_second_can_the_eye_see/

[27X]

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

[zzz72w3r]

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

 

You do realize that video agrees with 99% of what I said which is hardly debunking my "theory". 

 

1. The bottleneck appears only if you want very high frame rates.  Yeah, to get super high frame rates you would run into CPU bottleneck and that is because you artificially remove the GPU as a bottleneck.  As I said other than super high twitch fans or professional eSports players hardly anyone needs those kind of fps.  Testers remove the GPU bottleneck two ways, the first is using super expensive graphic cards and the second is to lower the resolution to levels we probably don't want to play in.  To everyone else other than that elite group of users we will run into the GPU bottleneck way before we even see the CPU bottleneck.   

 

2. Toward the very end he said in game like TW3, which is not a console port, there is no CPU bottleneck.  The lag and stuttering is game dependent.  I concede some of that can be alleviated by using more recent CPU but it's a very expensive solution to fix problems caused by poorly coded games.

 

[Aria]

I recently build myself a new pc but without a graphics card because i really had no idea what would run okayish with my setup.

 

Core i5 6500k

16gig ram @2133 MHZ

 

Any recommendations for a decent gfx card for arround 200-300 eur?

[imafaget]

I recently build myself a new pc but without a graphics card because i really had no idea what would run okayish with my setup.

 

Core i5 6500k

16gig ram @2133 MHZ

 

Any recommendations for a decent gfx card for arround 200-300 eur?

 

Maybe a GTX 1060? I'm not sure of it's price in EU. But beware that any GTX 1000 series card below the GTX 1070 cannot be put in SLI configuration, in case you are looking to pair another one in the future.

 

The AMD RX470/480 looks pretty good too, with better DX12 implementation, though they lack the raw horsepower of the Nvidia cards.

[Aria]

 

I recently build myself a new pc but without a graphics card because i really had no idea what would run okayish with my setup.

 

Core i5 6500k

16gig ram @2133 MHZ

 

Any recommendations for a decent gfx card for arround 200-300 eur?

 

Maybe a GTX 1060? I'm not sure of it's price in EU. But beware that any GTX 1000 series card below the GTX 1070 cannot be put in SLI configuration, in case you are looking to pair another one in the future.

 

The AMD RX470/480 looks pretty good too, with better DX12 implementation, though they lack the raw horsepower of the Nvidia cards.

 

 

Thanks for your advice imafaget!

Both look decent, the rx 480 has 2 more gigs of vram but yeah as you said, lacks in the raw power against the 1060.

On the other hand im still on win7 and dont plan to go win10 anytime soon so dx12 doesnt really matter to me atm, hmm decisions decisions..

[Krasovskiy]

 

Might have some slight bottlenecking with your setup even theplaned setup. Works best with the newer processors like the 4790 etc. If you want overclock to get more bandwidth might help. Since it is old if you plan on upgrading it but after awhile of using the 1080 might be a great idea because you don't care if you wear the processor down. Power should be good.

 

If you have a 1080 p monitor might not see much difference a slight improvement but not much more. I was just fine on a 670 except the 2gig vram. Upgraded it to a 970 and runing Witcher 3 just fine and looks great. (no mods yet.. no need )

 

So unless you are planing on upgrading your monitor ... to a 2k or 4 k one.. perhaps stick with a 1060~1070 and call it a day and save the money to the side for future upgrades or other fun stuff. Like new video games

 

If you happen to see some 980 or 980Ti for sale cheap.. (dirt cheap) get it instead and have the added vram for the newer titles.

 

 

Heh ok thanks. Yea I don't really intend on getting a new processor soon since this one is still running strong. I might overclock it but then again I don't intend on running super heavy games other than Battlefield 3, GTA V (mods kill my ram use), and war thunder which is mainly GPU heavy. My monitor is a pile of garbage to be honest and I regret getting it, it's some wacky resolution but games still support it so that's good. I plan on going 1080p soon, nothing 4k or super fancy. But thanks again for the summary, now I know going straight for  a 1080 might not be the best but I may still do it honestly I probably still will LOL but I'll take care of my processor too.

[RitualClarity]

 

 

Might have some slight bottlenecking with your setup even theplaned setup. Works best with the newer processors like the 4790 etc. If you want overclock to get more bandwidth might help. Since it is old if you plan on upgrading it but after awhile of using the 1080 might be a great idea because you don't care if you wear the processor down. Power should be good.

 

If you have a 1080 p monitor might not see much difference a slight improvement but not much more. I was just fine on a 670 except the 2gig vram. Upgraded it to a 970 and runing Witcher 3 just fine and looks great. (no mods yet.. no need )

 

So unless you are planing on upgrading your monitor ... to a 2k or 4 k one.. perhaps stick with a 1060~1070 and call it a day and save the money to the side for future upgrades or other fun stuff. Like new video games

 

If you happen to see some 980 or 980Ti for sale cheap.. (dirt cheap) get it instead and have the added vram for the newer titles.

 

 

Heh ok thanks. Yea I don't really intend on getting a new processor soon since this one is still running strong. I might overclock it but then again I don't intend on running super heavy games other than Battlefield 3, GTA V (mods kill my ram use), and war thunder which is mainly GPU heavy. My monitor is a pile of garbage to be honest and I regret getting it, it's some wacky resolution but games still support it so that's good. I plan on going 1080p soon, nothing 4k or super fancy. But thanks again for the summary, now I know going straight for  a 1080 might not be the best but I may still do it honestly I probably still will LOL but I'll take care of my processor too.

 

 

If you can replace parts if they give out... overclock it. The processor etc. If you can get faster ram (cheap) then do that. You will have better throughput. If there is a newer processor (gen) that is supported and cheap (with more actual speed and unlocked) get that perhaps.

 

I have a 970 and a 1080 p monitor 60 htz monitor and I can play everything just fine. I was advised by some people I know that perhaps a 1060 or so if I needed more vram would be my upgrade.. I do however have a 4690K processor. Like you I might should pick up some faster ram to give my system some better breathing room while it is still cheap to do so. Believe it or not an SSD is a dam good upgrade for games like Skyrim and such. Increasess the loading screen speed. (less time waiting more time playing ) That is if you don't have it for the game (you need fast) They are starting to drop like rocks and if you find some on sale they can be a pretty good deal. I have multiple ones over the past few years ... smaller growing into larger ones etc .. except the old small ones never die so I use them for other things like Fraps capture and other trashing type data... still don't die..

 

It might be just fine if you overclock the processor... give it a boost on the ram (cheap that is ) and an sSD for the OS and game drive if possible (cheap being smaller if you already have one for the computer can't remember ) Might not even need an upgraded GFX card yet. Might just give you those 10 frames or so you need to be more bearable. Sounds like you need a decent monitor first... At least a 1080 p if you can get one.. try to get one that has < 60htz panel if possible one with Gsync (if you plan on continuing on using the Nvidia graphics card... the other format for AMD) Then the only problem you might have is low frames.... however they will be complete and no tearing etc. There are currently some or have been some discontinued 1080 p gsync monitors for substantial sales recently.

 

[27X]

 

You realize there's a video that a completely debunks your "theory" not five posts away.

 

You do realize that video agrees with 99% of what I said which is hardly debunking my "theory". 

 

1. The bottleneck appears only if you want very high frame rates.  Yeah, to get super high frame rates you would run into CPU bottleneck and that is because you artificially remove the GPU as a bottleneck.  As I said other than super high twitch fans or professional eSports players hardly anyone needs those kind of fps.  Testers remove the GPU bottleneck two ways, the first is using super expensive graphic cards and the second is to lower the resolution to levels we probably don't want to play in.  To everyone else other than that elite group of users we will run into the GPU bottleneck way before we even see the CPU bottleneck.   

 

2. Toward the very end he said in game like TW3, which is not a console port, there is no CPU bottleneck.  The lag and stuttering is game dependent.  I concede some of that can be alleviated by using more recent CPU but it's a very expensive solution to fix problems caused by poorly coded games.

 

 

 

 

Nnnope. The bottleneck will most assuredly appear at 2K and 4K, period.

 

If you want to continue playing your games on a Vizio $200 TV @720p and have some visual defect where you can't tell the difference between 30 and 120 fps, knock yourself out.

 

Meanwhile in the real world, the i5 and first three gens of i7, while it lasted for many moons of dominance are coming to a close as a "just throw a card in there and forget" solution. Those aren't suppositions, that's the simple march of factual progression, and slowly but surely 60 locked is being superseded by 90 locked for MINIMUM headache free VR and 120 will be the new "normal" by 2018.

 

Just because you can throw a 850Evo on a sata 1 connection with an adapter doesn't mean you should, if you expect to get good use out of it.