Gameplayer Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 I'm more interested in that Cyberpunk game by CDPR than anything BGS is planning on putting out. If it has mod support, BGS is screwed Wait, what? Cyberpunk? Yup, "Cyberpunk 2077" is the name, i assume work-in-progress name. There's not much but this old teaser video: Definite inspirations from Blade Runner in that video, though Replicants didn't have in-built weapons. Unless CDPR says something more, I'm going to assume that game doesn't exist. Better not to get my hopes up. Also let's no derail this thread by going too off-topic. Still, it would be nice if another company besides Bethesda produced similar open world, sandbox style RPGs with open support for mods. Something to either shake them out of their complacency or replace them altogether after the disappointment of FO4. As another poster put it, they've alienated their RPG fans with this game. And those of us that liked Fallout even in its non-RPG incarnation of Tactics (never played BOS). Cyberpunk 2077 is the name of an actual tabletop RPG from the 80s-90s. Really highly doubt that the name would change. It went a lot more into the cost of your humanity than say Shadowrun although I'm not certain if it was ever popular and for that matter Shadowrun wasn't really that popular and I'm guessing if it wasn't for the computer and console games a lot of people wouldn't know about it. Player Cyborgs had a penchant for losing control of their character over time and this would result in horrific situations and psychotic episodes with symptoms of blackout and memory loss of the event. At least that is how one particular story manager handled it.
Vuulgar Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Then don't compare Fallout 4 to the Baldurs Gate in terms of the role playing mechanics. Fallout 4 is definitely not a RPG , its clearly badly advertised ( remember those mill-sabotaging and its consequences in skyrim? no?? shet those sweet little lies) and the term "RPG" is being overwritten nowadays. Just the same thing what has happened with the "roguelike" genre , I don't mean that steam-indie games. True roguelikes like rogue , nethack, stonesoup crawler or dwarf fortress. No, the first RPG i ever played was Baldurs Gate way back when. And if you are trying to insult me in any way, just don't. Not everyone has to live in the past when it comes to games, i enjoy past and future iterations of genres. Its more of a action-rpg or action-shooter with the rpg elements. But not a RPG game because RPG games are about building your character, not only by granting random stats but also by role-playing with your character. You build the character that way so you will always have it easier to relate to him/her. I didn't compare them at all, infact you did. Other than that there is no use in me discussing with you because you obviously wrote the definition of roleplaying game. You do build your character though. Through a creator, through leveling up, through making choices in the world space etc. So i don't accept your definition as the gospel for what an RPG is. I don't see how this is a bad RPG. It has a bad framework to roleplay within, but it still has a framework for it. It stems more from people that dislike the game, but that does not change its genre or the ability to roleplay. Thats my take on it anyways. I am very happy with how the game turned out, though there are always things that could be improved. The conversation system needs a overhaul, big time, more dialogue dependant on other Specials and perks, not just Charisma. Hopefully they can do something about that with the first DLC, we'll see when it arrives. Its limiting for longevity...you always have to be the same man or woman searching for your missing kid. Skyrim had many options for type of character even if content support was weak in some directions. Assassins, thieves, werewolves, vampires.....FO4 at this point is only mom or dad. Why not a ghoul who starts in the Glowing Sea or a brand new super mutant escaping/ being released from where ever they are made? I think this is whats missing compared to Skyrim. Because Fallout and The Elder Scrolls is not the same thing. Fallout 1 - You're the Vault dweller who has to find a Water Chip for your Vault. It can't be ignored, its even on a timer. Fallout 2 - Descendant of The Vault dweller, born into a Tribe, have to find the GECK and beat the Enclave. Fallout 3 - You're 19, in a Vault, have to find your father and pretty much repeat the step of FO and FO2. Fallout New Vegas - You're a Courier sent to deliver a package, shot in the head, open for interpretation, until Lonesome road came along. Fallout 4 - You're a ex-soldier/laywer looking for your son. Every Fallout game has a set background, its a staple of the franchise. Yes Fallout 4 has a more locked background then the previous titles, but that doesn't mean you can't roleplay it or have freedom to do things in the world space. You could do an entire playthrough with just building up Settlements alone. Be that person that gives up and just roams the waste and scavenges etc. COD is a roleplaying game and one that Todd Howard admires Mature response. To be clear I am loving the game, just pointing out one of the main complaints I have read. I have made 5 or so characters and played each differently. There have been a few contenders trying to steal my gaming love from Skyrim including Witcher 3 and all have failed except FO4. I dont see the affair lasting as long without some mod help.
ToJKa Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Cyberpunk 2077 is the name of an actual tabletop RPG from the 80s-90s. Really highly doubt that the name would change. It went a lot more into the cost of your humanity than say Shadowrun although I'm not certain if it was ever popular and for that matter Shadowrun wasn't really that popular and I'm guessing if it wasn't for the computer and console games a lot of people wouldn't know about it. Player Cyborgs had a penchant for losing control of their character over time and this would result in horrific situations and psychotic episodes with symptoms of blackout and memory loss of the event. At least that is how one particular story manager handled it. Ah, didn't know that. And that description would fit to what's happening in the teaser. On topic, you guys are gonna have to work on some heavy duty magic for me reinstall Fallout 4
Ernest Lemmingway Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Cyberpunk 2077 is the name of an actual tabletop RPG from the 80s-90s. Really highly doubt that the name would change. It went a lot more into the cost of your humanity than say Shadowrun although I'm not certain if it was ever popular and for that matter Shadowrun wasn't really that popular and I'm guessing if it wasn't for the computer and console games a lot of people wouldn't know about it. <snip> Actually Shadowrun was extremely popular. The only reason it even made into video game versions was because of that. It may not be the household name that D&D is (except maybe in Germany), but tens of millions of fan worldwide certainly counts as "popular" to me. Similarly, the World of Darkness (old and new) are still hugely popular even though they're not that well known outside of certain niches. Even Fallout is unknown to the majority but still popular. In thinking about what Catalyst Gaming Labs did to SR, it pretty much sums up what I feel about FO4: it looks sort of like it belongs but it had all the flavor sucked out of it like an old piece of chewing gum.
Gameplayer Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Hmm well I remember playing Fallout on the PC and I do remember the manual had enough in it to play a Gurps styled PnP game. Shadowrun was something that people played at the Brick N Mortar store while I would be either playing Dnd or getting a paper back book to read at school to make the day get by a little quicker but sure your right more people played Shadowrun than say Cyberpunk...Heck I think the only time I saw a game was at one of those gaming conventions. Come to think of it I ran a game of Fallout and did almost a complete rip of the story for my friends who didn't have a computer to play Fallout and I think they all really liked it. It was done Paper n Pencil style with dice, D10's they were called back then.
Content Consumer Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 IIRC the original Fallout was supposed to be entirely GURPS-based, but there was ?some kind of argument about the stats? so they switched to SPECIAL and that's it.
Content Consumer Posted January 18, 2016 Posted January 18, 2016 Looks like someone's working on it already. Sort of. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8606/?
Content Consumer Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 Later on you get teleporting giant radscorpions. They don't call them teleporters either; apparently they're "stalkers". Where "stalker" means if you see one on the far horizon and bounce a .50 shell off its carapace from concealment, the next second the damn thing will be in your face and meleeing you. Because of stalking, apparently. I'm sitting on top of a hospital (can't remember the name), looking at a scorpion through my scope... Take a potshot... And he instantly teleports to under my feet. Hope a patch (or more probably a Baldurdash/USKP/USLEEP mod) fixes this sort of thing.
Content Consumer Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Errant Signal has some things to say about roleplaying in Fallout 4.
Wired Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 FO4 is a great game Err.. No. Far Cry 2-style gameplay (and graphics lol). I never asked for this. © And no, the lack of vehicles in F4 won't make difference. F4 got drivable PA, case closed.
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