SexLab Virginity and Defloration

[Guest]

 

Yes, but what I meant was if I used a faction, wouldn't the mod then have to alter the forms for every NPC added to it, which would potentially create conflicts with other mods that alter the NPCs? I'm not really familiar with how the faction system works.

 

 

Not really.

Factions are Super-Safe, and you just add a link to the existing NPCs.

Pretty much no impacts.

 

I will update the code to use a faction.

<youModId>VirginFaction

 

And I will tell you how to add a few NPCs inside that for sure are not virgin.

And I will do also a small extension to the code to avoid the ElderRace, that for sure does not contains "virgins".

[Game Goblin]

I saw this topic in the forums not too long ago... and BOOM! Now it's real. Thanks to the people who put this in motion and made it.

Maven Blackbriar - Not a Virgin.

Astrid - Not a virgin.

Jarl Elisef... uhh... well... I... ummm... I don't know... Maybe... Do Nords have a tradition of consummating after marriage?

[Guest]

Let's keep the number of NPC "not virgin" to a bare minimum.

Or will be pretty difficult to use this mod.

 

Did you ever find a single lady in Skyrim that was supposed to be a virgin? Please...

 

[randomtguy]

Let's keep the number of NPC "not virgin" to a bare minimum.

Or will be pretty difficult to use this mod.

 

Did you ever find a single lady in Skyrim that was supposed to be a virgin? Please...

 

You make a good point.

[Leocid2]

 

Let's keep the number of NPC "not virgin" to a bare minimum.

Or will be pretty difficult to use this mod.

 

Did you ever find a single lady in Skyrim that was supposed to be a virgin? Please...

 

You make a good point.

 

 

LoL I think alike

 

[Leocid2]

I think they could expand more this mod as:
If the virgin girl should have a cry or moaning sounds complaints
If you could program the girl stop the sex scene because you hurt way too defloration.
In real life, some women long after losing their virginity, for the pain caused angry. It could be programmed, you lose -1 friendship.

[Lord Ariakas]

Cool stuff man.

 

Blood texture should be applied to the labia / genitalia itself (too)

 

 

Come on, write to all the animators, how long would it take to animate a dripping blood mesh and insert it into/ onto the vagina?

 

That would be fun. Shall I post this onto NSAP page to get animators attention,might someone would do it as a side project ?

 

Crying would be amazing. After sex if she could get into fetal position and crying, that would be cool. (Even more nice if it would happen just on agressive animation.)

 

Also the character could keep sobbing /weeping from time to time after it for like a day or two.

 

Sound effect / and or animation. (Like in realistic needs or Ineed.)

[randomtguy]

Cool stuff man.

 

Blood texture should be applied to the labia / genitalia itself (too)

 

 

Come on, write to all the animators, how long would it take to animate a dripping blood mesh and insert it into/ onto the vagina?

 

That would be fun. Shall I post this onto NSAP page to get animators attention,might someone would do it as a side project ?

 

Crying would be amazing. After sex if she could get into fetal position and crying, that would be cool. (Even more nice if it would happen just on agressive animation.)

 

Also the character could keep sobbing /weeping from time to time after it for like a day or two.

 

Sound effect / and or animation. (Like in realistic needs or Ineed.)

 

If anyone wants to create animations for the mod I'd be thrilled. I can't even figure out how to open Skyrim animations in Blender even following tutorials, them being Havok files makes it so complicated, and I'm sure anything I could produce would pale in comparison to the fine work by the talented animators here on LL. I was thinking of adding a mild debuff during recovery, your suggestions are a bit darker than I was planning to take it (and would be contingent on someone supplying the animation), but I could think about doing an extreme version or something.

[Lord Ariakas]

Nice:)

 

So shall I post the request?

Might somebody willing to do this for us...

[krocoz]

Crying would be amazing. After sex if she could get into fetal position and crying, that would be cool. (Even more nice if it would happen just on agressive animation.)

 

 

Bump for this.

 

[randomtguy]

Nice:)

 

So shall I post the request?

Might somebody willing to do this for us...

 

Why not, I figure the worst they can do is say no.

 

I've been thinking. People really seem to want crying/trauma effects. That wasn't really what I was thinking with this mod, but I'm nothing if not a people pleaser, so I figure why can't we have both. This is all dependent on someone supplying animation, and me being able to learn how to work with calling them, but I see two options.

 

One - An MCM menu that says:

 

Losing one's virginity should be a:

 

<>Joyous experience | <>Traumatic experience

 

If you pick the first option, a buff is applied for 24 hours after sex. If you pick the second, a debuff is applied, after the act the actor does the hypothetical crying animation, and if I can figure out how to do it randomly repeats that action for 24 hours after sex.

 

The second option is I think it would be possible to use SexLab hooks to determine whether the animation being played is consensual or aggressive, and apply the buff effect after consensual sex and the debuff affect after aggressive sex.

 

What does everyone think?

[terrorofmorrowind]

 

Wouldn't it be possible to create a entire new "faction" to list which npc's are actually Virgins or not? I do think it would cause a lot of issues with face textures (every change to an existing npc will cause this bug from my experience) though and it would take a shitton of time to add each single npc to that faction or not. It'd probably mean that you have to reinvent the entire mod.

 

Another possibilty would be the same as the faction system but instead of appointing every npc to that factio already, you can make an MCM menu for the player to decide if he/she want the npc to be a virgin or not. You could then use a "cloak" spell (something like miaslair or sexlab arused) to update the npc's that are listed in the MCM menu.

 

No idea if any of these are viable though. It's something i have learned from other mods in how they work.

 

hello.

 

using a Faction to track who is virgin and how is not is simple and probably the most efficient way.

 

Adding all the NPCs to this faction, to avoid to have "old people" as virgin, will take probably 273 years to complete...

 

A Faction has no impacts on NPC faces.

 

A MCM menu for this is not possible. There is no real way to select/deselect a NPC, and you are limited to max 127 items (and the possible NPCs are way more), also the "generated NPCs (guards, bandits, vampires, etc.) cannot be done in this way.

 

A cloak spell is pretty much useless to achieve the identification of a non-virgin character.

And a cloak spell is one of the worst way to implement your code, because is script intensive, memory intensive, and prone to CDTs.

(for your info I avoid Aroused and all the mods that require it, just for this reason.)

 

 

Ok, thanks. I keep learning more everyday. I thought the cloak spell wouldn't be as intensive it only worked when the player is there and only when it is in a certain radius (something like soulgem oven mod does). Thanks for clearing this up. I also had no idea if factions did something to npc's as well. I read somewhere that whatever you change to an npc could mess up their appearance. This probably only counts for their appearance in the game or when you change their hight or weight.

 

Anyway thanks again for cearing things up.

[Guest]

 

Ok, thanks. I keep learning more everyday. I thought the cloak spell wouldn't be as intensive it only worked when the player is there and only when it is in a certain radius (something like soulgem oven mod does). Thanks for clearing this up. I also had no idea if factions did something to npc's as well. I read somewhere that whatever you change to an npc could mess up their appearance. This probably only counts for their appearance in the game or when you change their hight or weight.

 

Anyway thanks again for cearing things up.

 

 

Here some definitions/clarifications:

* A cloak spell is just a normal spell that is always active (usually to the player). It runs its code to do something, and very often the code runs continuously. If the code searches for all NPCs inside an area, then the script will require a huge amount of power. And should not be used.

* A Faction is just an extra info that you can associate to NPCs. Custom factions have really no impact. Some vanilla factions will give to the NPC some extra things (potentialFollowerFaction, VendorFaction, BardsFaction, etc.)

* You can mess the appearance of a NPC only if you alter the traits, the items of the body, or the skeleton. Everything else will not affect the appearance.

[krocoz]

 

Nice:)

 

So shall I post the request?

Might somebody willing to do this for us...

 

Why not, I figure the worst they can do is say no.

 

I've been thinking. People really seem to want crying/trauma effects. That wasn't really what I was thinking with this mod, but I'm nothing if not a people pleaser, so I figure why can't we have both. This is all dependent on someone supplying animation, and me being able to learn how to work with calling them, but I see two options.

 

One - An MCM menu that says:

 

Losing one's virginity should be a:

 

<>Joyous experience | <>Traumatic experience

 

If you pick the first option, a buff is applied for 24 hours after sex. If you pick the second, a debuff is applied, after the act the actor does the hypothetical crying animation, and if I can figure out how to do it randomly repeats that action for 24 hours after sex.

 

The second option is I think it would be possible to use SexLab hooks to determine whether the animation being played is consensual or aggressive, and apply the buff effect after consensual sex and the debuff affect after aggressive sex.

 

What does everyone think?

 

 

I like this idea, perhaps for the event like in the SL Defeat it should go with the second option, and the first option should be happened when you do it with your spouse.

 

[Dutchbat]

Is it possible to get some of those textures onto SoS aswell? But yea, lovely feature thanks!

[Guest]

Is it possible to get some of those textures onto SoS aswell? But yea, lovely future thanks!

 

This will require to add two dependencies: one for SOS, and another for the texture replacer plugin (SlaveTats.)

Then you need to add a wating thread to remove the texture after a little time (it can be another magic effect or another spell)

 

In conclusion: It is really not easy to do.

[Lord Ariakas]

 

Nice:)

 

So shall I post the request?

Might somebody willing to do this for us...

 

Why not, I figure the worst they can do is say no.

 

I've been thinking. People really seem to want crying/trauma effects. That wasn't really what I was thinking with this mod, but I'm nothing if not a people pleaser, so I figure why can't we have both. This is all dependent on someone supplying animation, and me being able to learn how to work with calling them, but I see two options.

 

One - An MCM menu that says:

 

Losing one's virginity should be a:

 

<>Joyous experience | <>Traumatic experience

 

If you pick the first option, a buff is applied for 24 hours after sex. If you pick the second, a debuff is applied, after the act the actor does the hypothetical crying animation, and if I can figure out how to do it randomly repeats that action for 24 hours after sex.

 

The second option is I think it would be possible to use SexLab hooks to determine whether the animation being played is consensual or aggressive, and apply the buff effect after consensual sex and the debuff affect after aggressive sex.

 

What does everyone think?

 

 

It is a cool idea, could be done like this, or what if it would depends on the sex tag?

 

 

Consensual   anim------ Joyous experience

Agressive   anim  ------  Horrible experience

 

About the request, I just realised it is not needed.

 

Apparently ZAZ anim pack contains a dripping vaginal fluid mesh in white / yellow color.

You could use that, and just recolor it to red.

 

Reference:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/47814-req-juice-fluid-effect-from-vagina/

[Guest]

 

Apparently ZAZ anim pack contains a dripping vaginal fluid mesh in white / yellow color.

You could use that, and just recolor it to red.

 

Reference:

 

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/47814-req-juice-fluid-effect-from-vagina/

 

 

Zaz has something for this. It is a special armor with a special body slow with an associated animobject.

Re-coloring it is pretty difficult.

 

And it has a light effect, to make it transparent (the items I am talking about are the 4 variants of the pee and pussy goo), that is hard to change.

 

 

I am not saying "Impossible". I am saying "Difficult".

(Already tried for a different purpose for a different mod.)

[Slammer64]

I'm noticing some errors in my papyrus logs with this mod enabled: 

[08/13/2015 - 02:26:43PM] Error: Unable to bind script VDFDeflorationScript to alias PlayerRef on quest VDFDeflorationQuest (800022ED) because their base types do not match

 

I believe this is caused by the script being linked to Quest rather than ReferenceAlias, however my recompile attempts have been stymied by the fact I can't find the "Push Actor" variable anywhere.

[Erundil]

Force facial expression to "Pained" during defloration, overriding player settings in SexLab. If not already implemented, it should be.

Since the chance of defloration being painless is negligibly small.

[randomtguy]

 

 

It is a cool idea, could be done like this, or what if it would depends on the sex tag?

 

 

Consensual   anim------ Joyous experience

Agressive   anim  ------  Horrible experience

 

 

Yes, that's the second option I was considering.

 

I'm noticing some errors in my papyrus logs with this mod enabled: 

[08/13/2015 - 02:26:43PM] Error: Unable to bind script VDFDeflorationScript to alias PlayerRef on quest VDFDeflorationQuest (800022ED) because their base types do not match

 

I believe this is caused by the script being linked to Quest rather than ReferenceAlias, however my recompile attempts have been stymied by the fact I can't find the "Push Actor" variable anywhere.

 

Yep, apparently I screwed up, I'm so new at this. But CPU has volunteered to not only fix this, but add new features, including a faction for non-virgin actors. CPU is awesome, everyone should go download and endorse all his mods.

Force facial expression to "Pained" during defloration, overriding player settings in SexLab. If not already implemented, it should be.

Since the chance of defloration being painless is negligibly small.

That's a good idea, why the heck didn't I think of that?

[Guest]

 

Force facial expression to "Pained" during defloration, overriding player settings in SexLab. If not already implemented, it should be.

Since the chance of defloration being painless is negligibly small.

That's a good idea, why the heck didn't I think of that?

 

Because it is complex with the current version of SexLab, because you have to hook the Controller, that is NOT passed through modevents.

 

Remember: this mod listen for animations that are played. It does not start any.

[randomtguy]

 

 

Force facial expression to "Pained" during defloration, overriding player settings in SexLab. If not already implemented, it should be.

Since the chance of defloration being painless is negligibly small.

That's a good idea, why the heck didn't I think of that?

 

Because it is complex with the current version of SexLab, because you have to hook the Controller, that is NOT passed through modevents.

 

Remember: this mod listen for animations that are played. It does not start any.

 

 

Ah, OK. Didn't realise.

[Erundil]

 

 

 

Force facial expression to "Pained" during defloration, overriding player settings in SexLab. If not already implemented, it should be.

Since the chance of defloration being painless is negligibly small.

That's a good idea, why the heck didn't I think of that?

 

Because it is complex with the current version of SexLab, because you have to hook the Controller, that is NOT passed through modevents.

 

Remember: this mod listen for animations that are played. It does not start any.

 

 

Ah, OK. Didn't realise.

 

 

I didn't say it would be easy to do. But it's not impossible either.

Just calculate if it's worth the effort. For an experienced coder it probably would be, For someone who struggles with Papyrus - nope.

 

[Guest]

I don't want to consider myself the better expert of Payrus, for sure.

 

The problem is that the controller of Sexlab is actually NOT accessible.

You have to touch or rely to some internal variables of SexLab that are explicitly NOT public. So the mod may not work anymore in case of a SexLab update.