Quake vs Doom

[Spectre_15]

Has anyone else played Quake and Doom?  Ive been a massive fan of Doom for a long, long time, as long as I can remember.  I picked up Quake for the first time about a month or so ago, and I'm... disappointed to say the least.  When I play Doom today, it looks pretty good.  It's aged pretty well.  However, Quake looks... disgusting.  I dont know if I can up the graphics in the settings, I cant figure out how to.  I booted up the game and it was just... disgusting looking.  It hasn't aged well at all, and it makes me kind of wonder if this was really considered amazing graphics back in the day.  It feels almost like a step backwards from Doom, graphics-wise.  I havent gotten far enough to really get a gameplay feel, as I've been busy as fuck.

 

Has anyone else played both of these games?  What do you guys think of them?  Which held its own through the test of time better?

[FallenWarrior]

Used to play Quake I & II with friends. It was good for just having fun with friends (Quake 2) but that's it. Doom was more challenging in its way (I still have The Ultimate Doom collection). So I would have to say that Doom has hold its own quite well through time.

 

[Spectre_15]

I understand that Quake has its fanbase, but I just cant get into it.  Ive been trying to get into it, but it just looks disgusting, weapons dont seem to have much punch, the music feels... lacking (even in Quake 2), and its just... overhyped.  I went in wanting to like it.  I wanted Quake to be in my top 5 games of all time, hoping it'd be in the top 3, but it's instead landed in my disappointing games list.  Its... just not as good as it probably should be.

[windpl]

I would say doom, it have some magic where quake is just simple rocket shooter with power ups (catch them all, POKEMON err wrong game.)

[shirow]

Pretty much same doom was my childhood, I was playing it even if I was afraid : I remember almost all cheats codes even now. Quake was not as good looking as doom. But even now I feel like doom is better.

Even duke nukem 3d didn't beat doom for me

[RavinBeast]

If We're Talking Classic Id Games I'd Say My Top 3 Favorites Are As Follows

 

 

1, The Original Doom 

 

2, Return To Castle Wolfenstein

 

3, Quake 2

 

 

Though Doom Get A Higher Approval From Me Then Quake Ever Will

[Thorham]

Quake with the original renderer looks crappy indeed. Try using a different engine.

 

https://www.quaddicted.com/quake/recommended_engines

[SweetLittleSister]

I actually approved of the disgusting look of Quake. When you're in a place called the Dismal Oubliette or the Grisly Grotto, mucky walls, slimy floors, dirty ceilings and something dripping somewhere all seem rather appropriate. The graphics are actually higher-quality than original Doom. The reason they're not as high-quality as they could have been in a remake of Doom is that Quake went 3D. Doom was flat. Sure, they had floor and ceiling altitudes in the map, and lifts and doors, but the maps were single-layer, you couldn't look up or down, you couldn't run under a flying monster or jump over one in a trench, the liquid floors just put creatures and the player a little lower and it was all rather limited. Hexen and Dark Forces both brought in inventory, limited look-up/look-down, creatures that hid under liquid floors and map components that moved sideways. On top of that, Dark Forces had a light and some levels were two maps overlapping, so there could be a secret under the lift platform, and Hexen had three character classes to play. Progress, to be sure, but they still used a sequence of sprites to show each creature from each of 5 angles, and reflected 3 of them for the other 3 angles. They only used 1 sprite for the trees. Walk around in Doom and you soon notice that the dead trees are turning to watch you go by. Quake had full 3D look-around, full 3D maps, dynamic lighting, swimming, those frickin' Vores and Spawns, ammo types that were more effective than others against some enemies ...

 

... and a funny user manual. Doom took itself a little too seriously. Quake knew to keep it short and sweet:

"Apply the same principle as watering your rose-bush."

"Try it. You'll like it."

"For when a grenade absolutely, positively, has to be there in time."

"Woof woof. Bad doggy. Play dead. Bang. Yip. Good doggy."

"Canned meat. Open 'er up. See whether it's still fresh."

 

Then you've got Half-Life, which blows everything before it away ... except for stuff like Angband, the Archimedes version of Elite, Mister E, ... y'know, non-FPS games.

 

Quake also gave us Quake World Team Fortress, which was a good online team-v-team game that didn't require sub-50ms ping times to play.

[ToJKa]

I always liked Doom better. Quake and it's fancy true three dimensional maps are just confusing, and pointless fluff

 

Besides, it's not a proper FPS if it doesn't have

   

 

Also i love the

in many of the Doom fan projects. I really need to replay Plutonia 2 and Revisited, and the amazing

some time soon.

 

Doom 3 was pretty forgettable, though. But then again, so was Quake 4. RAGE was actually pretty fun, it just had some pointless story and RPG stuff in it :shrug:

[Spectre_15]

I always liked Doom better. Quake and it's fancy true three dimensional maps are just confusing, and pointless fluff

 

Besides, it's not a proper FPS if it doesn't have

 

 

Also i love the

in many of the Doom fan projects. I really need to replay Plutonia 2 and Revisited, and the amazing

some time soon.

 

Doom 3 was pretty forgettable, though. But then again, so was Quake 4. RAGE was actually pretty fun, it just had some pointless story and RPG stuff in it :shrug:

Ive been playing Plutonia 2 on Ultra Violence with the Brutal Engine... fucking shit.  I beat Revisited, but I havent played Eternal.  One Wad that I've been working on, again in brutal, is Sunder... god damnit Sunder...

 

Doom 3 wasn't a bad game, but it wasn't a good Doom game.  Doom was all about the action and run and gun.  Doom 3 focused on a story and horror element.  It's like John Carmack said: "Story in a video game is like story in a porno.  You expect it to be there, but it doesn't really matter."  It holds true for Doom.

[ToJKa]

Ive been playing Plutonia 2 on Ultra Violence with the Brutal Engine... fucking shit.  I beat Revisited, but I havent played Eternal.  One Wad that I've been working on, again in brutal, is Sunder... god damnit Sunder...

Yeah, i've played P2 and Revisited with Brutal Doom on UV too, that was challenge to say the least. Though i just couldn't beat Revisited's Map 32. Just couldn't survive the part beginning at ~5:30. I did beat P2's Map 32 on UV, but it took a lot of time and save scumming

 

As for Sunder, i did make i trough the first two levels, but something like The Furnace i'm not going to even seriously try (that map has initially over 5000 monsters). Shame really, as the music and level design in Sunder is awesome.

[Spectre_15]

I dont remember that map too much, but idk.  I have to play it again, it's been a while.  Revisited was one of the first ones I was recommended to play on Brutal.  I'm seriously trying to beat The Furnace on Sunder.  I know it's fucking nuts, and theres too many fucking enemies.  Thats the fun.

[SweetLittleSister]

BFG. S***load of ammo. Vast open space. Vast number of enemies. Vast number of healthkits. Have fun with that. *sigh*

 

Fun trivia from the mad photographer:

1: the Archviles can resurrect a dead demon *through a wall*. He built a few levels, each designed to actually match its name, and in one of them had a huge room outside the playable area, linked by a "sound channel," containing Archviles, with spur walls sticking out into it to force them to go away and come charging back so that they'd hit the (very thin) wall between playable area and their area square-on ... and all around the outside of the playable area was a narrow ledge with a "Monsters cannot cross" front edge. Limited ammo, limited health, much criss-crossing to do and Imps and baby Spiders that keep respawning around the outside. Mean sort of trick to play on the hero.

 

2: The sound an Archvile makes while it's wandering around the corridors, looking for you, is exactly like the sound the zip on the next tent over in the campsite makes when opened at 5am. Heh. Not a nice way to be woken up, I bet.

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Original Doom(1993) play through with CREATOR John Romero the legend.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUU7_BthBWM

 

Quake DOS(1996) CREATOR John Romero the legend.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8QcFd3x-g8

 

Matter of taste you CAN'T argue specially when your saying you play so much DOOM and just played quake in 2014 for first time come on

 

I always preferred QUAKE over DOOM.

 

Doom 3 was terible.

[SweetLittleSister]

I'd forgotten the outdoor stuff. The "distant landscape" textures were kind of beautiful, weren't they? That's one thing I don't remember Quake having: an outside. I *do* remember Half-Life having an outside world. Hexen? Dark Forces? They had "outdoor" levels but I don't remember landscapes.

[joemonco]

Actually Quake with the Darkplaces engine and rygel's texture pack isn't bad at all.  Just remember to leave the CD in the drive for Trent Reznor's soundtrack.

 

Also:  Romero hasn't done anything worth a damn since, so why does he get legendary status?

[Cynical Misanthrope]

It's hard to say. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. Heck, I can hardly remember Doom though.

All these great games lead to Painkiller, and that's one of my favorite game.

 

[mizdarby]

Absolutely Doom, other than Serious Sam it's my favorite shooter of all time. Doom 4 (the reboot/remake) is expected to be officially released by Betheseda in their April Expo, which may also see the announcement of Fallout 4 (but thats a whole different story)

[winny257]

Doom was released in 1993, Quake was released in 1996,, this are three years difference. you can not compare these two games.

since could I Unreal (2004) for comparing add to.

[LordJerle]

Duke Nukem 3D > both of em.