Playing Skyrim Off-line without any access to Steam

[Verina]

Is there any way to play Skyrim entirely off-line with NO connection to Steam at all? Like Oblivion?

I just don't like the idea off anyone having access to my computer like it's required when you play any Steam games.

I do NOT want what Mods I use, and how I play being monitored by any system, server, or whatever that's I have no say about.

 

Yes, I know this sounds a bit paranoid... maybe it is... but I just can't trust any third party having access or knowledge of what games, and how I play those games, especially a role playing game with adult mods.

 

Oh, if this is not the place to be asking/ talking about this, then where is it?

[Guest]

I doubt that there's anyway besides getting a free version. Steam is an obsessive bitch that won't work unless you do all that she says and wants and fucks everyone over. Thing is is that you can't use the launcher to activate esp's or esm's for mods unless you play the game through steam. It's cruel, but that's today's world.

[afro-herbalist]

I doubt that there's anyway besides getting a free version. Steam is an obsessive bitch that won't work unless you do all that she says and wants and fucks everyone over. Thing is is that you can't use the launcher to activate esp's or esm's for mods unless you play the game through steam. It's cruel' date=' but that's today's world.

[/quote']

 

I know, it sucks arse, but its not entirely true that you HAVE to use steam. I dont, and I can still activate ESP's through the launcher. You just have to do it... that other way that I shouldn't condone or recommend... That is; I dont condone it, if you think games are actually worth £40, or, if you can often afford to pay that much for a game, because unlike me, you might not have more important things to pay for like gas, electric, water, car insurance, food, rent, social pursuits etc.

 

I dont know if its cool to chat about it here, so if not, google around a bit. You WILL find the answer. I'll try to help you by PM if you want too. Its pretty simple to set up, but I cant remember exactly what I did to "enable" the data files button.

 

Edit: yea lol, your right. Privacy is the only way, ESPECIALLY when it comes to pornographic stuff HAHA.

[Guest Donkey]

you do know you can play in offline mode right ??once you right click on steam and tell it to go offline you can turn off internet and always use offline when steam starts up and you never have to go online.

 

But you still need to have steam loaded to play.

 

I dont know if its cool to chat about it here' date=' so if not, google around a bit. You WILL find the answer. I'll try to help you by PM if you want too. Its pretty simple to set up, but I cant remember exactly what I did to "enable" the data files button.

 

Edit: yea lol, your right. Privacy is the only way, ESPECIALLY when it comes to pornographic stuff HAHA.

[/quote']

 

It is not cool to even speak of it. Besides LL does not allow speak of piracy either.

[Siouliusn]

Personnaly I just block the access to internet of Steam with Comodo.

From time to time I allow it to connect to get the update but that's all and I can play without steam being connected (but still running) :>

[Athstai]

It is not cool to even speak of it. Besides LL does not allow speak of piracy either.

Applying a crack to a brought game is not piracy and imho morally completely acceptable. And thats what the TS is asking for. If he wanted the game for free he would probably ask at Pirate Bay. I mean its not some kind of secret that such sites exist.

[Mulister]

I can launch Skyrim without having Steam working.

 

[Surenas]

A shut mouth catches no flies

[Verina]

I thought I said this yesterday, but I guess I'll have to repeat it...

 

I do not, would not mind paying for Skyrim... I'd prefer to buy it in fact, so That's NOT what I was asking about.

I just wanted to know for sure before I spend that much money that I'll be able to play the game, when I want, where I want, without having to worry about nosy third parties keeping track on what I'm doing, when I'm doing it, and how I'm doing it.

It's already FAR TOO EASY to be spied on without any reason being necessary other then 'we want to know', and if possible I would like to at least try to avoid making it easy for personal information being monitored, recorded, and possibly used against me if I ever have any kind of legal trouble with any authories that might have access to my on-line activity.

 

Ohhh... and if you think this can't or doesn't happen, then you're just not paranoid enough... After all, the little children MUST be protected... or the nasty on-line criminals MUST be brought to 'justace'... or the horrible terrorists MUST be stopped... and OF COURSE if you're not in one of those groups you have no reason to object if 'WE' want to know anything 'WE' want to know about anything you do at any time, now would you... hummmmm?

 

Sorry... got a little carried away there....

 

Anyway, I'm happy to learn Skyrim can be played off-line without internet access, but I'd still like to know just what kind of things Steam keeps track of every time you use them to update.

 

 

[Evilokami]

You can just download a craked launcher.

 

I'm sure it will work with a legit copy.

 

but than you would have to download the cracked updates when you want them.

 

But that's the only 100% way to not use steam.

[Chase Roxand]

Steam records how long you've played the game and what achievements you've completed. That's it. They don't care what mods you've installed. Once the Steam Workshop is open for Skyrim, Steam will probably keep track of which mods you're subscribed to, but you won't be downloading anything worth being paranoid over through that. Valve doesn't even have a reason to track your stats and Steam only publishes games and included an API for developers. In the worst case scenario, Bethesda will have Skyrim capture anonymous stats on certain gameplay aspects. Even in that case, you can simply not update to disallow it. Additionally, Bethesda would make a big deal about it and make you sign a disclaimer before doing so.

 

Third party companies don't "spy" on users. They gather data, usually anonymously, to better support, improve, and direct products. Companies, especially videogame developers and distributors, have much better things to do than act as moral policemen. No one gives a damn what kind of mods you're running, even if they're "adult" mods. If the mods that you're using to feed your fantasies send you into an extreme state of paranoia, then you should probably be worrying about more important things being tracked than your gameplay stats and mods.

 

 

However, since you are paranoid, do what Evilokami said. Buy Skyrim on Steam, then use cracked EXEs. Don't expect too much SKSE support, though. It's only built for one Steam build of Skyrim at a time.

[dreamtourist]

Ohhh... and if you think this can't or doesn't happen' date=' then you're just not paranoid enough... After all, the little children MUST be protected... or the nasty on-line criminals MUST be brought to 'justace'... or the horrible terrorists MUST be stopped... and OF COURSE if you're not in one of those groups you have no reason to object if 'WE' want to know anything 'WE' want to know about anything you do at any time, now would you... hummmmm?

 

Sorry... got a little carried away there....

 

Anyway, I'm happy to learn Skyrim can be played off-line without internet access, but I'd still like to know just what kind of things Steam keeps track of every time you use them to update.

[/quote']

 

If your really worried about the above, I do hope you realize it doesn't matter what Steam keeps track of. If the feds want information on you from a net source, they will get it. The "good old days" of real anonymity on the net are long past.

[Verina]

Steam records how long you've played the game and what achievements you've completed. That's it. They don't care what mods you've installed. Once the Steam Workshop is open for Skyrim' date=' Steam will probably keep track of which mods you're subscribed to, but you won't be downloading anything worth being paranoid over through that. Valve doesn't even have a reason to track your stats and Steam only publishes games and included an API for developers. In the worst case scenario, Bethesda will have Skyrim capture anonymous stats on certain gameplay aspects. Even in that case, you can simply [i']not update to disallow it[/i]. Additionally, Bethesda would make a big deal about it and make you sign a disclaimer before doing so.

 

Ohh... thank you. I guess I've been reading too many of the 'I Hate Steam' forum threads. Some of the things I've read sure doesn't reassure me about anything relating to actually playing Skyrim with Steam.

Thanks again for actually explaining things instead of just blowing me off... or adding to the confusion...

[pepecristo]

I just wanted to know for sure before I spend that much money that I'll be able to play the game' date=' when I want, where I want, without having to worry about nosy third parties keeping track on what I'm doing, when I'm doing it, and how I'm doing it.[/quote']

 

As Chase already said, Steam will only track how long you're playing Skyrim, not what you're doing ingame, as well as achievements you unlock. Also, as long as you have an internet connection, you can play whenever and wherever you want, in any PC you install Steam. If you're going to play without an internet connection, set Steam to offline mode beforehand.

 

DISCLAIMER: You must have an online connection active when setting Steam into offline mode, as Steam will do a last check&synch with it's servers before going offline. This is to prevent you from using offline mode to tricking Steam into thinking you own more games than you actually do, or that you've unlocked achievements you haven't. It's a bit of a bother, but it's the way it works.

 

 

Ohhh... and if you think this can't or doesn't happen' date=' then you're just not paranoid enough... After all, the little children MUST be protected... or the nasty on-line criminals MUST be brought to 'justace'... or the horrible terrorists MUST be stopped... and OF COURSE if you're not in one of those groups you have no reason to object if 'WE' want to know anything 'WE' want to know about anything you do at any time, now would you... hummmmm?[/quote']

 

Steam's been ripped open time and time again, it's insides already well known. Steam does not do this, nor does it have, at the time at least, the code it'd need for this kind of surveillance. What you do ingame stays ingame.

 

It can, however, ask you from time to time (every several months, I believe) to allow it to gather hardware data from your system, but this is completely anonymous and as it indicates, it only gathers HARDWARE data, as in, what processor, motherboard, ram, graphics card, etc your system is packing.

Which is good, the better the devs and publishers know the kind of PCs that are floating around, the more prepared their games will be on release, and the better the support that they can offer. And they can't really do anything with that kind of data, I mean, "oh, an anonymous user has an i5 2500K processor, HE'S CLEARLY A TERRORIST AND MUST BE ELIMINATED" yeah not gonna happen...

 

Anyway, I've been using Steam for a looooooooong time and I have a rather sizeable collection of games on it, so if you have any questions, ask away and I'll answer to the best of my abilities.

[Surenas]

Well, between faith founded in nothing but hear-say and faith founded in nothing but fear-say, always the polarizing effect shown by a crowd thrown into an alien environment, there is a third way - the radical middle, better known as good sense. Take control of your private information stored on HDD and, by God, use a workable spam filter.

[zaraia]

You can just download a cracked launcher on the Pirate Bay, and you'll also find all the updates. Razor is a good source. SKSE works fine with it.

 

And to those calling him paranoid or thinking Steam wouldn't store personal information because "they have no reason to", you'd be surprised at how many companies store personal data collected for statistics simply because it's easier than deleting it or depersonalising it.

[jayemtee]

ok, i play with no connection at all to steam. i downloaded an iso of the game, got it working and play all that i want . i download updates the same way i got the game . havent really had any issues with it . dont know if im missing anything doing it this way or not, but i dont care, lol. i have fun with what i got

[labrat]

I kept the original .exe and run from that without Steam having to be bothered by my presence.

 

It's a bit cloud cuckoo land to think that the only information held on Steam servers is your onSteam time and "achievements". By necessity they store (at the very least) your .ess (otherwise you would not be able to access the game on other platforms). What information do you think that they might hold that might embarrass you if your colleagues or neighbours could see it? Nothing? Then you have nothing to fear. Steam may be a wonderful idea for people playing vanilla games. I don't.

 

"Also, as long as you have an internet connection, you can play whenever and wherever you want, in any PC you install Steam"

 

How, exactly, does Steam access the mods I have in my personal Data folder, on my personal HDD. That's only going to happen if Steam has copied my data folder into its web, or all my mods are in the Steam Workshop. How likely is that for a regular on LL?

 

Whether or not Steam is bothered if you are a pervert is not the issue. They are only in it for the money. But there are other people who are keenly interested in whether you are a pervert and they are quite capable of putting two and two together.

 

Just because there are other ways in which they might connect your adult gaming habits with your RL identity does not mean that you should make their life any easier.

 

Just because some people have stored their fetishes on Steam with impunity for years without repercussions doesn't mean that you should. Herd animals believe that they are safe from predators in the herd. Farmed herd animals believe the same. They never seem to work out that the guy with the feed is the biggest predator of the lot.

 

Anyone who isn't concerned about privacy and anonymity seriously needs to wake up. Before they are woken up at 4AM.

 

Don't be tricked into doing anything stupid or lulled into a false sense of security by total strangers. This is the internet. You don't know who is behind that friendly avatar, or what their real motives are.

If one total stranger says "be careful" and another one says "trust me". Which one is giving you better advice?

 

(Ok, ok.....just pass me the tinfoil helmet already.....I'm getting a bit grumpy because the war on TOR has started to heat up)

 

How the CK and updates are handled I will have to see. I am beginning to think that Skyrim is more trouble than it is worth, as Oblivion and Fallout 3 do not require Steam and have enough potential to keep me busy for years.

 

 

[Surenas]

I'm still having problems to understand why a game company takes the risk to get reduced to unimportance or even to fade away from the market like other companies before within a single gamer generation, that is within just five years. Do they know something we don't? Is the number of vanilla gamers and low level modders (complex stuff they can't handle anytime soon) really that high? high enough to stay alive on the market?

 

I doubt all this, and I have seen the rise of Bethesda. Now I sense the fall cos the empire has made the classical error of all empires before - to lose track of the provinces, making decisions after talks to the other me in the mirror.

[pepecristo]

By necessity they store (at the very least) your .ess (otherwise you would not be able to access the game on other platforms).

 

It is not by necessity' date=' it is optional. It's one of Steam's services, called SteamCloud. You want to have access to your savegame from anywhere? Go ahead and keep it on. You don't? well, right click the game, properties, disable it. End of the problem.

 

What information do you think that they might hold that might embarrass you if your colleagues or neighbours could see it? Nothing? Then you have nothing to fear. Steam may be a wonderful idea for people playing vanilla games. I don't.

 

I don't quite get why it isn't a good idea for modding people, aside from several games that were not built with Steam anywhere in mind, then they go ahead and decide to release it there and "oops, the modding system doesn't work nicely with the Steam integration" (see Oblivion).

 

How' date=' exactly, does Steam access the mods I have in my personal Data folder, on my personal HDD. That's only going to happen if Steam has copied my data folder into its web, or all my mods are in the Steam Workshop. How likely is that for a regular on LL?[/quote']

 

I never said it accesses your mods. It accesses your games and, if it's SteamCloud enabled, your savegames. And it doesn't access them from the internet, from a secondary computer back to your old one. You gotta redownload the whole game from Steam's servers for every PC you want to install the game in, or use Steam's backup function and install the backup, which is faster, but it requires you to carry the game's data on you, be it on a USB or DVD or whathaveya.

As for Skyrim's mods, we'll have to wait and see how they set up the workshop when tuesday comes.

 

Bunch of stuff about perversion anonymity snipped because it's very large.

 

Ok' date=' let's imagine, I modded my Steam version of Oblivion up with all sorts of sexy mods with different stuff, from body replacers to skimpy clothes to downright hardcore stuff like LoversRaperS, or ChainBeasts, or whathaveya.

How, exactly, does Steam track that? It doesn't know what files to look for, it has no idea what all those esps do.

I just don't get all this. Maybe I'm dumb as a brick or whatever, but I just don't.

 

How the CK and updates are handled I will have to see. I am beginning to think that Skyrim is more trouble than it is worth, as Oblivion and Fallout 3 do not require Steam and have enough potential to keep me busy for years.

 

So just keep Steam in offline mode, and go online only when you need to patch it.

 

Is the number of vanilla gamers and low level modders (complex stuff they can't handle anytime soon) really that high? high enough to stay alive on the market?

 

It's very very large. Most people don't even know what a file structure is, or what the hell an ".esp" is, or anything of the like. There's a reason the people at the nexus launched that nexus mod manager thing, and it's because there are humongously large amounts of people who don't know crap not just about modding games, but about how to properly use their PCs.

 

Also, may I ask why you believe this will be the downfall of Bethesda? If this is also about Steam, in case you haven't noticed, Steam is HUGE. And I really mean HUGE. over 3 million players online almost at any given moment huge, managing to break 5 million at peak times.

Perhaps it will very slightly reduce their audience on PC because of all the people that have sworn off Steam and similar services because, no matter how light, it's still DRM, but overall, I sincerely doubt Steam will be the end of Bethesda, or TES.

[labrat]

@pepecristo

It is not by necessity, it is optional. It's one of Steam's services, called SteamCloud.

 

That is quite good news. I was under the impression that whatever your wishes, Steam would collect and store savegames and other undefined information gathered when you were connected.

 

I never said it accesses your mods. It accesses your games and, if it's SteamCloud enabled, your savegames. etc. etc.

 

I didn't say you did say that. My point being that in order to be truly mobile between platforms Steam would have to have access to versions of the mods used - either because they were held in common in something like SteamWorkshop, or because Steam had previously uploaded my data folder into one of its cloud servers. I.e. two impossibilities before breakfast. Hence even if Steam had my .ess to hand, unless I had 26gigs of portable media in my pocket, my game would not be transferable between machines.

 

Therefore I think that only vanilla games (or ones using the bland mods permitted in SteamWorkshop) would be portable.

 

If Steam definitely doesn't store game play information if you ask it not to, then some of my own concerns about it are lessened.

 

How, exactly, does Steam track that? It doesn't know what files to look for etc. etc.

 

I don't think that you are dumb as a brick, but you might be a bit innocent. Like I said. Steam per se isn't the problem (in this area). It is a commercial enterprise that indulges in a rudimentary analysis of your PC. However in doing so it collects or encourages you to store information about yourself and this information can be linked to an activity (pornography in games) that a large number of ignorant and unpleasant people object to.

 

Some other people are rather against the Internet in toto as it currently stands. These people are not at all ignorant, by and large, and are inclined to make it their business to know what the contents of an .ess mean. And how they can use such knowledge as evidence of online nastiness which will justify tighter regulation of the net.

 

No .ess or other information about gameplay then no problem. All they know is that you spend far too much time playing with computers.

Your dirty little secret is safe. For the time being.

 

Of course, if you play while connected then you may be monitored. I don't expect that Steam as a company would do that any more than any other courier service pokes around in other people's business, but amongst the three million Steam users and abusers may be some who are observant, savvy and malicious.

 

 

[galgat]

I will say that most of the PC game playing people I know and meet, and talk with avidly seek out mod's and cheat codes, and hunt for nude mod's among other things as well as complete game overhauls.

 

I find that most PC players are very informed and quite good at figuring out how to install these options when playing certain games.

 

The number of doggedly asked how do I get this installed threads attest to this.

 

How ever on the down side I find Console players not quite so up to date on there games, unless they crash, or have bugs in them. Then there only option is to hope the maker of the game sends them a Patch, the life span of console games is somewhat shortened by this, as once the game is beaten..There is little else to do.

 

Trophy's have been introduced to help this some, but these are lost (or many of them are lost if your machine takes a dump) unless you pay the extra to the console maker to save them ( I do know that some of them will be saved this first hand seen when My Cousins Playstation3 bit the dust he was able to recover some of his hard earned Trophy's).

 

Microsoft, and Sony unloaded on Beth for trying to make a construction kit that PS3 and Xbox users could use. So this will not happen for them. Which is a shame, it could have extended the life of the console version for many years.

 

But My guess is that game makers really don't want there games to last forever.

 

I find myself playing many older PC games Unrealtournament, and UT2004, Tribes2, are a few that I still enjoy very much. Tribes2 is absolutely free now, and Tribesnext.com has re instated the servers, making it a reasonably active community. and it is still fun to play.

 

UT one and UT 2004 are both very fun to play, and there are so many mods and skins for them both. This all thx to Great modders.

 

Oblivion, and morrowind have been fixed better, and more often by the modders than the Maker.

 

I do hope steam does not effect this happy event we have all been able to enjoy from Morrowinds unofficial patch to the same things that were done in Oblivion.

 

Many of these patches were done in order to be able to use some of the more erotic body's and items that were made by the most helpful people I know in the gaming community [Modders]

 

We will I guess have to keep the wait and see attitude, but it seems gloomier, and gloomier with each delay.

[Surenas]

It's very very large. Most people don't even know what a file structure is' date=' or what the hell an ".esp" is, or anything of the like. There's a reason the people at the nexus launched that nexus mod manager thing, and it's because there are humongously large amounts of people who don't know crap not just about modding games, but about how to properly use their PCs.

 

Also, may I ask why you believe this will be the downfall of Bethesda? If this is also about Steam, in case you haven't noticed, Steam is HUGE. And I really mean HUGE. over 3 million players online almost at any given moment huge, managing to break 5 million at peak times.

Perhaps it will very slightly reduce their audience on PC because of all the people that have sworn off Steam and similar services because, no matter how light, it's still DRM, but overall, I sincerely doubt Steam will be the end of Bethesda, or TES.

[/quote']

 

 

I doubt that the new generation of TES players, the faithful, the third I've seen thus far after the founders and the takers and the first that is born into the flat rate world would know less of file structures than we did as children at the onset of the Windows shell and the end of DOS. The opposite is the case.

 

Moreover, 3 mio online players of today aren't that many at all. I recall 2.5 mio players already in 2003 playing Dungeon Siege on a free server hosted by Gas Powered Games, and the number of players of Diablo in those days should have been even higher, so what?

 

No there must be quite another reason for Bethesda - and I still play Bethesda, not Steam, eh? - to set the course to the online gaming and shopping world without offering the usual multiplayer. One reason might be that they run out of designers, thus out of both innovation and skills (the AI is still that of 2002). This would explain the taboo-breaking ravage of HQ mods without giving credits as well as the funny invitation "mod for us, folks"... not to mention the new and strange delay tactics and - the oddly high investment into the brilliant promotion of Skyrim.

 

I sense much helplessness in the management of Bethesda. And the winner is... Steam (Valve).

We who we are sworn to carry the burden of legality, well, we've probably lost. It's simply too late for us to perform a volte-face and to sign up for the badly hurt Black Pearl, if you get what I mean.

[Chase Roxand]

I know that this was for pepecristo, but...

 

I don't think that you are dumb as a brick' date=' but you might be a bit innocent. Like I said. Steam per se isn't the problem (in this area). It is a commercial enterprise that indulges in a rudimentary analysis of your PC. However in doing so it collects or encourages you to store information about yourself and this information can be linked to an activity (pornography in games) that a large number of ignorant and unpleasant people object to.

 

Some other people are rather against the Internet in toto as it currently stands. These people are not at all ignorant, by and large, and are inclined to make it their business to know what the contents of an .ess mean. And how they can use such knowledge as evidence of online nastiness which will justify tighter regulation of the net.

 

No .ess or other information about gameplay then no problem. All they know is that you spend far too much time playing with computers.

Your dirty little secret is safe. For the time being.

 

Of course, if you play while connected then you may be monitored. I don't expect that Steam as a company would do that any more than any other courier service pokes around in other people's business, but amongst the three million Steam users and abusers may be some who are observant, savvy and malicious.

[/quote']

This is still a silly concept. In order for Valve to even have this information ready for a "malicious" third party to exploit, Steam would have to be able to read and understand ESS, ESP, and ESM files. That is information that only Bethesda has and would use. Perhaps Bethesda might track your gameplay/mod info, but at that point you should be paranoid about them, not Steam. Yes, Steam collects some of your system info and very, very basic gameplay stats. Anything beyond that is outside of Steam's reach. Hell, the only times that Steam would even collect file/directory information is when it's uploading save data or verifying your local files (which you have to ask it to do). Even so, why would it store that data? At that point you might as well believe that Steam tracks every single activity you do, down to the keystrokes.

 

Even if Steam does somehow have revealing information about your fantasies and game-related sexual activities, why would someone turn to Steam for that data? If I were the moral policeman of the Internet, I'd jump right into getting a keylogger/RAT onto users' systems. If that wouldn't work, I'd try to get web browsing activity. That makes much more sense to me than getting statistics from a virtual videogame store client.

 

You're suggesting that people are out on a witch hunt for people with sex-related information in their save data. I very much understand that there are people in situations where they have reasons to be paranoid. If you live in the Middle East or consume media which might appear pedophiliac, sure, be worried about those moral policemen. However, your presence on the Internet already puts you at risk to be spied on infintely more so than a service as random as a videogame store ever would.

 

If you're so damn concerned that Steam or a related service/product is collecting personal information, you might as well be concerned that Microsoft Word is doing the same. Or that Microsoft is collecting it when a program crashes. Or that iTunes is secretly storing your video collection in an online database. Or that your antivirus is uploading your entire file system structure without your consent. Fuck, there are a million different things that could be doing what you're suggesting, nearly all of which are significantly better avenues for spying on individual users' activity.

 

I see absolutely no problem in working to keep your privacy in a time where your personal information is easily accessible to the wrong people, but you and several other users in this thread are going overboard.

[pepecristo]

I doubt that the new generation of TES players' date=' the faithful, the third I've seen thus far after the founders and the takers and the first that is born into the flat rate world would know less of file structures than we did as children at the onset of the Windows shell and the end of DOS. The opposite is the case.[/quote']

 

You'd be bloody surprised... I used to think the same, until I started getting a bit into contact with that "generation"; There are bunches that indeed are quite knowledgeable. And then there are bunches (the majority, unfortunately) that are as brainless as a rock.

It's easy to think otherwise though, because we tend to mix ourselves with people that do have a certain knowledge of technology or computing, and thus the constant contact with them can paint our entire opinion and view.

 

Moreover' date=' 3 mio online players of today aren't that many at all. I recall 2.5 mio players already in 2003 playing Dungeon Siege on a free server hosted by Gas Powered Games, and the number of players of Diablo in those days should have been even higher, so what?[/quote']

 

3 million -concurrent- users, back in 2003, for Dungeon Siege or Diablo II? As in, users online at the very same time? I'd be quite surprised. Not saying it's not possible, but it's certainly difficult, there were a lot less people with a gaming PC back then.

 

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