Breasts stretch REALLY far then said npc sometimes goes invisible.

Feddo · July 19, 2014

Forgive me if this is an easy fix but I can't seem to find a solution. I have tried the base hdt and the hdt havok system and both of them have the same issue that when an npc crosses through a loading door they're breasts sometimes stretch waaay out and they turn invisible. I can recreate this problem if I visit the Bee and Barb on a new game when Sapphire and Mjoll walk into the tavern their breasts stretch out and sometimes they turn invisible. I'm using xp32 extended for my skeleton (with the hdt option in the installer ticked) and I've used both hdtPhysicsExtensions v14.28 and pclp2014's xml for beginners and they both work fine, I have even gotten the breast collision to work. I'm using cbbe body and I use the CalienteBodyAdvanced TBBP through bodyslide along with ct77's vanilla clothing replacer. I read that ct77's vanilla armor replacer included a file called CalienteBodyAdvanced HDT but the newest version doesn't come with it and I can't figure out how to install the new beta of xp32 extended. I have also tried to install blabba's hdt body and while it makes the breasts look a lot nicer the problem of stretched breasts and the npc disappearing keeps happening. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I've been trying to fix this for hours :-/ .

Edit: Here is my load order if it helps

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
RSkyrimChildren.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SGHairPackBase.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
Default Teammate Weapon Draw Distance.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
Footprints.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Disease Descriptions.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
SOS - Carloss32 Lizard Addon.esp
Angelina Jolie.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Predator Vision.esp
SOS - B3lisario Horsecock Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Nouserhere Ears.esp
Facelight.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
DD_Dawnguard Additions.esp
RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
NoxUE2.00.esp
OliviaWilde.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
DD_Dragonborn Additions.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
AOS.esp
IHSS.esp
AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
AOS2_GDO Patch.esp
OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
RaceMenu.esp
Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp
Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp
SGHairPackAIO.esp
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-AFTPatch.esp
Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
Clean Invisibility Effects plus Eyes Fix - Chameleon Version.esp
NonEssentialChildren.esp
RSChildren_PatchNEC.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-NECPatch.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
JessicaAlba.esp
Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Point The Way.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
SFO - Dragonborn.esp
Random Alternate Start.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
SkyUI.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp
FNISspells.esp
TradeBarter.esp
fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp
WetandCold.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
iHUD.esp
mothPriestSandals_weightsliderFix.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

I am also using mod organizer and I am also using wyre bash just for the bashed patch.

Edit: I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but here is what my skyrim.ini file is

[General]

sIntroSequence=
sLanguage=ENGLISH

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

[Display]
fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0
fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0
fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
bAllowScreenshot=1

[Audio]
fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0
fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0
fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0
fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

[Grass]
bAllowCreateGrass=1
bAllowLoadGrass=0

[GeneralWarnings]
SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

[Archive]
sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa
sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

[Combat]
fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0
fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

[Papyrus]
fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0
bEnableLogging=1
bEnableTrace=1
bLoadDebugInformation=1
[Water]
bReflectLODObjects=1
bReflectLODLand=1
bReflectSky=1
bReflectLODTrees=1
[HAVOK]
iNumThreads=4

and here is my Skyrimprefs.ini

[General]

fBrightLightColorB=1.0000
fBrightLightColorG=1.0000
fBrightLightColorR=1.0000
iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1
bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0
[imagespace]
bDoDepthOfField=1
iRadialBlurLevel=2
[Display]
iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3
fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000
fShadowDistance=8000
iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024
iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048
iShadowSplitCount=2
iMaxAnisotropy=16
fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000
fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000
fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=1e+007
fGamma=1.0000
fDecalLOD2=1500.0000
fDecalLOD1=1000.0000
fSpecularLODStartFade=2000
fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000
fLightLODStartFade=3500
iTexMipMapMinimum=0
iTexMipMapSkip=0
iWaterMultiSamples=0
iMultiSample=8
iShadowMode=3
bTreesReceiveShadows=0
bDrawLandShadows=0
bFull Screen=1
iSize H=900
iSize W=1440
fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000
fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000
fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000
fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1e+007
fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=1e+007
iScreenShotIndex=2
bShadowMaskZPrepass=0
bMainZPrepass=0
iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25
iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100
bFloatPointRenderTarget=0
sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770"
bFXAAEnabled=0
iShadowMapResolution=4096
fShadowBiasScale=0.15
iShadowMaskQuarter=4
iAdapter=0
iPresentInterval=1
[Grass]
b30GrassVS=0
fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000
fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000
fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000
[MAIN]
bGamepadEnable=1
bCrosshairEnabled=1
fHUDOpacity=1.000
bSaveOnPause=1
bSaveOnTravel=1
bSaveOnWait=1
bSaveOnRest=1
[GamePlay]
bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1
bShowQuestMarkers=1
iDifficulty=2
[interface]
bDialogueSubtitles=0
bGeneralSubtitles=0
[Controls]
fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000
fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125
bAlwaysRunByDefault=1
bInvertYValues=0
bGamePadRumble=1
bMouseAcceleration=1
[Particles]
iMaxDesired=750
[saveGame]
fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000
[AudioMenu]
fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000
fVal7=1.0000
uID7=0
fVal6=1.0000
uID6=0
fVal5=1.0000
uID5=0
fVal4=1.0000
uID4=0
fVal3=1.0000
uID3=0
fVal2=0.4000
uID2=466532
fVal1=1.0000
uID1=554685
fVal0=0.8000
uID0=1007612
[Clouds]
fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000
fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000
fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000
fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000
[TerrainManager]
fTreeLoadDistance=75000
fBlockMaximumDistance=250000
fBlockLevel1Distance=70000
fBlockLevel0Distance=35000
fSplitDistanceMult=1.5
bShowLODInEditor=0
[NavMesh]
fObstacleAlpha=0.5000
fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000
fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500
fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000
fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500
fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000
fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000
fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500
fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000
fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000
fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000
fEdgeThickness=10.0000
fPointSize=2.5000
[Trees]
bRenderSkinnedTrees=1
uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20
[Decals]
uMaxDecals=1000
bDecals=1
bSkinnedDecals=1
uMaxSkinDecals=100
uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=60
[LOD]
fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15
fLODFadeOutMultItems=15
fLODFadeOutMultActors=15
[Launcher]
bEnableFileSelection=1
bShowAllResolutions=1
uLastAspectRatio=4
[blurShaderHDR]
bDoHighDynamicRange=1
[blurShader]
bUseBlurShader=0

I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it but most of the .ini is carried over to my new mod manager profile (which I believe is the only thing that is the same between profiles) that I'm using to test this so I'm thinking the issue might be in there.

*ZaZ* · July 19, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/676-xp32-maximum-skeleton-extended/

Run Fnis After

Feddo · July 19, 2014

http://www.loverslab.com/files/file/676-xp32-maximum-skeleton-extended/

Run Fnis After

I have that skeleton installed and I just ran Fnis again but the problem is still happening. I'm not sure how to install the 2.0 Alpha though, I only have the 1.9 version.

Feddo · July 19, 2014

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix it? It's happening every time someone with a tbbp armor walks into a room that I am in. I'm thinking this may be a skyrim/skyrimprefs.ini problem because this same problem happened last time I tried to install hdt so if anyone could give me working [Havok] settings or anything to do with hdt/tbbp that would be amazing.

July 20, 2014

i get this too. i can only tell you that it only happens with some tbbp meshes and not others.

Feddo · July 20, 2014

i get this too. i can only tell you that it only happens with some tbbp meshes and not others.

What tbbp meshes would you recommend? I am using the hdt body with xp32 extended with hdt rigging checked in the menu (and I build my body preset with HDT CBBE Bodyslide selected in body slide).

shadow866 · July 20, 2014

Ive had the same issue since the first versions of HDT physics. It happens less in the new versions then the old versions tho.

And also sometimes breasts spins out of control.

I dont think there is a fix for it. Only solution i found was to save and reload my game.

Feddo · July 20, 2014

Ive had the same issue since the first versions of HDT physics. It happens less in the new versions then the old versions tho.

And also sometimes breasts spins out of control.

I dont think there is a fix for it. Only solution i found was to save and reload my game.

The problem is saving and loading the game doesn't fix it and neither does re-entering the area, as soon as they reload the tbbp parts of their body stretch out and they fade to invisible.

Edit: I just tried to launch skyrim with only these enabled

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

Random Alternate Start.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp

Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp

Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp

SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp

Predator Vision.esp

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp

SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

SOS - Shop.esp

FNISspells.esp

SkyUI.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

and with the xpmse skeleton and hdt worked fine but the stretch and fade out still happened. I'm not sure if this helps or is relevant but if I switch hdt's as in between the 14.28 and a havok version I get a random ctd when I start a new game for the first time I launch Skyrim but it seems to fix itself the second time I start the game or if I reinstall the xmpse skeleton which I sometimes have to do.

Edit to edit: I am getting random ctds if I switch hdts as I said above and also if I alt f4 (I have SKSE -Elys- AltF4) I crash the next time I launch Skyrim and start a new game.

Feddo · July 20, 2014

I just tried this without my enb or enboost enabled and the same stretch is happening, the only way to fix it has been to save and enter or exit then reenter the area. There has got to be a better way or some way to make it so it doesn't happen to every npc. If someone is successfully running hdt without having npcs go invisible when they go through a load door can you post your .ini files or how you installed because this is driving me nuts.

Edit: It just happened to an npc that was in my fov when I walked through a load door .

Edit to edit: I just tried it super bare bones with this setup

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
RAS - Riverwood CharGen.esp
SOS - Dawnguard Armors.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Random Alternate Start.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
SOS - Dragonborn Armors.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
FNISspells.esp
SkyUI.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

and the breasts still stretch when they're naked with hdt enabled.

Feddo · July 20, 2014

I'm at the end of my rope here, the only mods I have installed are

FNIS

FNIS Spells
FNIS Creature Pack
HdtPhysics Extensions 14.28
Random Alternate Start (So I can skip the intro)
CBBE
Bodyslide 2 and Outfit Studio
HDT Bodyslide v1.4
xp32 extended Skeleton

. I have generated FNIS for the skeleton, I have HAVOK set to

[HAVOK]

iNumThreads=4
bHavokDebug=0
fMaxTime=0.0157
bDebugMultithreaded=0

in skyrim.ini, I have created HDT Bodyslide with CBBE in Bodyslide. I have some general .ini tweaks I have setup through the S.T.E.P project and some mods I've downloaded, I'm also using Mod Organizer on a new profile and I uninstalled my enb and the problem is still happening whenever an npc crosses a load door their hdt areas strech to infinity and they fade to invisible. Does this happen to everyone? Can it not be fixed? I'm losing it trying to fix this :-/

Edit: I'm going to repost this to the General Skyrim Tech support board in the hopes that I get more responses and a solution, if you want to delete this go ahead

Sexymorpheus · July 21, 2014

Get Vilja, (you dont need to have her follow you if you dont like her), you will get a spell "Vilja reset spell". It works great on npcs and in my game will make the npcs who are invisible reappear without a game reload.(also helps other npc issues too) Hope this helps till a real fix is applied to HDT, Reset spell > Game reload

If you have Khajitt tail physics installed on top of HDT and your tailed companion disappears it may require you to hit them a couple times with the reset spell, this seems to only be npc's with tail physics. (and proof this is HDT causing it)

I have not noticed ANY bugs surface as a result of using the reset spell. Just dont spam it unnecessarily on every npc you walk by.

Dunno about hair physics, they are all to filled with horrible jaggies for me to use them

Feddo · July 21, 2014

Get Vilja, (you dont need to have her follow you if you dont like her), you will get a spell "Vilja reset spell". It works great on npcs and in my game will make the npcs who are invisible reappear without a game reload.(also helps other npc issues too) Hope this helps till a real fix is applied to HDT, Reset spell > Game reload

If you have Khajitt tail physics installed on top of HDT and your tailed companion disappears it may require you to hit them a couple times with the reset spell, this seems to only be npc's with tail physics. (and proof this is HDT causing it)

I have not noticed ANY bugs surface as a result of using the reset spell. Just dont spam it unnecessarily on every npc you walk by.

Dunno about hair physics, they are all to filled with horrible jaggies for me to use them

Thank you for the suggestion it seems to work although I was wondering how it interacted with stuff like quests and sexlab stuff like pregnancy or if the npc had devious devices on them, would it reset that stuff as well?

Edit: If it helps any I'm testing this at the Bee and Barb in Riften on a new game. When you walk into the city towards the tavern (The Bee and Barb) you trigger dialogue from Mjoll and Sapphire. Once they start talking I walk into the tavern itself and turn to watch the door and either both Mjoll and Sapphire or just Sapphire will walk into the tavern which is when (for me at least) their breasts and butt stretch and they fade to invisible. I have also tested this with Adrianne Avenicci when she walks in and out of Warmaidens in Whiterun and while her breasts and but still stretch super far they snap/bounce back into place after a little bit. Although she doesn't directly walk through the door she seems to teleport either to the forge area or behind the counter at Warmaidens.

Roskoe · July 21, 2014

I've used both hdtPhysicsExtensions v14.28 and pclp2014's xml

Try using the .xml that came with the 14.28 version, without the havok object installed and see if you get the same problems.

Also, the weight paint on the body mesh you are using seems to affect this (CBBE, UNP, 7B...) IMHO. What one person tweaked an xml file for may not work as well on a different body and or different base skeleton.

BTW - Just looked at your mods spoiler and you have a lot of script heavy mods installed.

Feddo · July 21, 2014

Try using the .xml that came with the 14.28 version, without the havok object installed and see if you get the same problems.

Also, the weight paint on the body mesh you are using seems to affect this (CBBE, UNP, 7B...) IMHO. What one person tweaked an xml file for may not work as well on a different body and or different base skeleton.

BTW - Just looked at your mods spoiler and you have a lot of script heavy mods installed.

Right now I only have hdt v14.28 installed and there is no havok object and it is still happening. I'm not sure what you mean by the weight paint on the body mesh I was following this tutorial http://www.loverslab.com/topic/28507-how-to-install-hdt-step-1-click-this-an-overly-descriptive-tutorial/ and it says to generate your body with the CalienteBodyAdvancedTBBP in Bodyslide but because I have the HDT Body (which is weighted better for hdt) I generated it with that instead. As for the script heavy mods do you mean my mod list in the op or my mod list in post #10? I created a new mod organizer profile to see if it was a mod conflict and I only have the mods installed in the spoiler in the 10th post.

Edit: I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but here is what my skyrim.ini file is

[General]

sIntroSequence=

sLanguage=ENGLISH

uExterior Cell Buffer=36

[Display]

fShadowLODMaxStartFade=1000.0

fSpecularLODMaxStartFade=2000.0

fLightLODMaxStartFade=3500.0

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

bAllowScreenshot=1

[Audio]

fMusicDuckingSeconds=6.0

fMusicUnDuckingSeconds=8.0

fMenuModeFadeOutTime=3.0

fMenuModeFadeInTime=1.0

[Grass]

bAllowCreateGrass=1

bAllowLoadGrass=0

[GeneralWarnings]

SGeneralMasterMismatchWarning=One or more plugins could not find the correct versions of the master files they depend on. Errors may occur during load or game play. Check the "Warnings.txt" file for more information.

[Archive]

sResourceArchiveList=Skyrim - Misc.bsa, Skyrim - Shaders.bsa, Skyrim - Textures.bsa, Skyrim - Interface.bsa, Skyrim - Animations.bsa, Skyrim - Meshes.bsa, Skyrim - Sounds.bsa

sResourceArchiveList2=Skyrim - Voices.bsa, Skyrim - VoicesExtra.bsa

[Combat]

fMagnetismStrafeHeadingMult=0.0

fMagnetismLookingMult=0.0

[Papyrus]

fPostLoadUpdateTimeMS=500.0

bEnableLogging=1

bEnableTrace=1

bLoadDebugInformation=1

[Water]

bReflectLODObjects=1

bReflectLODLand=1

bReflectSky=1

bReflectLODTrees=1

[HAVOK]

iNumThreads=4

and here is my Skyrimprefs.ini

[General]

fBrightLightColorB=1.0000

fBrightLightColorG=1.0000

fBrightLightColorR=1.0000

iStoryManagerLoggingEvent=-1

bEnableStoryManagerLogging=0

[imagespace]

bDoDepthOfField=1

iRadialBlurLevel=2

[Display]

iBlurDeferredShadowMask=3

fInteriorShadowDistance=3000.0000

fShadowDistance=8000

iShadowMapResolutionSecondary=1024

iShadowMapResolutionPrimary=2048

iShadowSplitCount=2

iMaxAnisotropy=16

fLeafAnimDampenDistEnd=4600.0000

fLeafAnimDampenDistStart=3600.0000

fTreesMidLODSwitchDist=1e+007

fGamma=1.0000

fDecalLOD2=1500.0000

fDecalLOD1=1000.0000

fSpecularLODStartFade=2000

fShadowLODStartFade=200.0000

fLightLODStartFade=3500

iTexMipMapMinimum=0

iTexMipMapSkip=0

iWaterMultiSamples=0

iMultiSample=8

iShadowMode=3

bTreesReceiveShadows=0

bDrawLandShadows=0

bFull Screen=1

iSize H=900

iSize W=1440

fMeshLODFadePercentDefault=1.2000

fMeshLODFadeBoundDefault=256.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeTreeDistance=2048.0000

fMeshLODLevel1FadeTreeDistance=2844.0000

fMeshLODLevel2FadeDist=1e+007

fMeshLODLevel1FadeDist=1e+007

iScreenShotIndex=2

bShadowMaskZPrepass=0

bMainZPrepass=0

iMaxSkinDecalsPerFrame=25

iMaxDecalsPerFrame=100

bFloatPointRenderTarget=0

sD3DDevice="NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770"

bFXAAEnabled=0

iShadowMapResolution=4096

fShadowBiasScale=0.15

iShadowMaskQuarter=4

iAdapter=0

iPresentInterval=1

[Grass]

b30GrassVS=0

fGrassStartFadeDistance=7000

fGrassMaxStartFadeDistance=7000.0000

fGrassMinStartFadeDistance=0.0000

[MAIN]

bGamepadEnable=1

bCrosshairEnabled=1

fHUDOpacity=1.000

bSaveOnPause=1

bSaveOnTravel=1

bSaveOnWait=1

bSaveOnRest=1

[GamePlay]

bShowFloatingQuestMarkers=1

bShowQuestMarkers=1

iDifficulty=2

[interface]

bDialogueSubtitles=0

bGeneralSubtitles=0

[Controls]

fGamepadHeadingSensitivity=1.0000

fMouseHeadingSensitivity=0.0125

bAlwaysRunByDefault=1

bInvertYValues=0

bGamePadRumble=1

bMouseAcceleration=1

[Particles]

iMaxDesired=750

[saveGame]

fAutosaveEveryXMins=15.0000

[AudioMenu]

fAudioMasterVolume=1.0000

fVal7=1.0000

uID7=0

fVal6=1.0000

uID6=0

fVal5=1.0000

uID5=0

fVal4=1.0000

uID4=0

fVal3=1.0000

uID3=0

fVal2=0.4000

uID2=466532

fVal1=1.0000

uID1=554685

fVal0=0.8000

uID0=1007612

[Clouds]

fCloudLevel2Distance=262144.0000

fCloudLevel1Distance=32768.0000

fCloudLevel0Distance=16384.0000

fCloudNearFadeDistance=9000.0000

[TerrainManager]

fTreeLoadDistance=75000

fBlockMaximumDistance=250000

fBlockLevel1Distance=70000

fBlockLevel0Distance=35000

fSplitDistanceMult=1.5

bShowLODInEditor=0

[NavMesh]

fObstacleAlpha=0.5000

fCoverSideHighAlpha=0.8000

fCoverSideLowAlpha=0.6500

fEdgeFullAlpha=1.0000

fEdgeHighAlpha=0.7500

fEdgeLowAlpha=0.5000

fTriangleFullAlpha=0.7000

fTriangleHighAlpha=0.3500

fTriangleLowAlpha=0.2000

fLedgeBoxHalfHeight=25.0000

fEdgeDistFromVert=10.0000

fEdgeThickness=10.0000

fPointSize=2.5000

[Trees]

bRenderSkinnedTrees=1

uiMaxSkinnedTreesToRender=20

[Decals]

uMaxDecals=1000

bDecals=1

bSkinnedDecals=1

uMaxSkinDecals=100

uMaxSkinDecalsPerActor=60

[LOD]

fLODFadeOutMultObjects=15

fLODFadeOutMultItems=15

fLODFadeOutMultActors=15

[Launcher]

bEnableFileSelection=1

bShowAllResolutions=1

uLastAspectRatio=4

[blurShaderHDR]

bDoHighDynamicRange=1

[blurShader]

bUseBlurShader=0

I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it but most of the .ini is carried over to my new mod manager profile (which I believe is the only thing that is the same between profiles) that I'm using to test this so I'm thinking the issue might be in there.

Mookeylama · July 22, 2014

i'm having the same issues and posted about it at FNIS. the stretching everyone seems to have gotten since the beginning of hdt, but i'm now getting the invisibility which sucks because it's tough to reset. i've been using disable & enable but it's hard because they're invisible. but they are really still there so u CAN find their names and start dialog, then click on their name in console. but this Vilja spell sounds easier. (thanks for the tip Sexymorpheus!)

must be something about the Riften area that triggers this badly. because i'll have them stretch everywhere (not nearly as much as months ago w/ early HDT), and they'll go invisible at other places around skyrim...but they always have reappeared after some seconds to minutes. but Riften i've had them go seemingly perma invis. i test it going in and out of Riften stables.

the invis may be related to collision, as i recently gave my followers collision necklaces n rings (Mr Troublemaker's). my player does not have collision. i've tried every hdt set i've seen too,

hope a fix is found

Feddo · July 22, 2014

i'm having the same issues and posted about it at FNIS. the stretching everyone seems to have gotten since the beginning of hdt, but i'm now getting the invisibility which sucks because it's tough to reset. i've been using disable & enable but it's hard because they're invisible. but they are really still there so u CAN find their names and start dialog, then click on their name in console. but this Vilja spell sounds easier. (thanks for the tip Sexymorpheus!)

must be something about the Riften area that triggers this badly. because i'll have them stretch everywhere (not nearly as much as months ago w/ early HDT), and they'll go invisible at other places around skyrim...but they always have reappeared after some seconds to minutes. but Riften i've had them go seemingly perma invis. i test it going in and out of Riften stables.

the invis may be related to collision, as i recently gave my followers collision necklaces n rings (Mr Troublemaker's). my player does not have collision. i've tried every hdt set i've seen too,

hope a fix is found

Yea Riften is nuts for me but I don't even have collision enabled :\ I'm just using the base hdt v14.28 which is still making them spazz out and go invisible, if it's just Riften then that doesn't seem too bad (although the thieves guild quests are going to be a bitch ).

Roskoe · July 22, 2014

When you uninstalled all the mods, did you start a new game or are you still using a save that had those mods in it?

I have a real boinked game that I have 2 heavily scripted followers and a lot of scripted mods. Installing either of the last 2 versions of HDT-PE the followers spaz when going from an interior to exterior cell or exterior to interior one.

Strangely, I have yet to get them to spaz when fast traveling. I've noticed that UFO, which I use, "redresses" the followers on the first 2 set of cell changes (see green aura on follower) and does not "redress" them on a fast travel.

So, my guess is that it may come down to what UFO is doing to the followers. My PC hasn't yet had a problem. I believe you had AFT installed.

Active scripts do not go away on a mod uninstall. Backup your saves and try and use SaveTool (on the Nexus site) on one of you minimum saves and see if that might clean that save up a bit.

Feddo · July 22, 2014

When you uninstalled all the mods, did you start a new game or are you still using a save that had those mods in it?

I have a real boinked game that I have 2 heavily scripted followers and a lot of scripted mods. Installing either of the last 2 versions of HDT-PE the followers spaz when going from an interior to exterior cell or exterior to interior one.

Strangely, I have yet to get them to spaz when fast traveling. I've noticed that UFO, which I use, "redresses" the followers on the first 2 set of cell changes (see green aura on follower) and does not "redress" them on a fast travel.

So, my guess is that it may come down to what UFO is doing to the followers. My PC hasn't yet had a problem. I believe you had AFT installed.

Active scripts do not go away on a mod uninstall. Backup your saves and try and use SaveTool (on the Nexus site) on one of you minimum saves and see if that might clean that save up a bit.

Yea I had AFT installed and I'm on a different MO profile starting a new game so there shouldn't be any problems with scripts. In one of my other posts I listed the mods I have installed on the bare bones profile I tried.

Gassernorm · July 25, 2014

I too have this issue. Do you think it's because of skyrimprefesini settings?

Alan47 · July 25, 2014

I have the same issue here. For me, it happens only on my female follower, and only after entering a region (where a load screen is in between). Looks very very weird, but also kinda funny. After 20sec or so, the character re-appears as if nothing had happened. Weird issue, my guess would be that it is caused by "hickups" of the Havok engine itself.

Feddo · July 25, 2014

I too have this issue. Do you think it's because of skyrimprefesini settings?

I'm honestly not sure.

I have the same issue here. For me, it happens only on my female follower, and only after entering a region (where a load screen is in between). Looks very very weird, but also kinda funny. After 20sec or so, the character re-appears as if nothing had happened. Weird issue, my guess would be that it is caused by "hickups" of the Havok engine itself.

The thing that worked best for me was to download pclp2014's havok for pc only (I replaced the hdt.xml files with other ones that I found bounced better) and I downloaded Vijla (For the reset Vijla spell just in case something goes wrong) and I equip myself with the Havok item (It's named something like hdt breast physics) or any npc that I want to have it at the time. Breast collision physics for everyone get really buggy and the reset spell will cover you when hdt itself poops the bed and someone goes invisible.

Mookeylama · July 30, 2014

I too have this issue. Do you think it's because of skyrimprefesini settings?

I'm honestly not sure.

I have the same issue here. For me, it happens only on my female follower, and only after entering a region (where a load screen is in between). Looks very very weird, but also kinda funny. After 20sec or so, the character re-appears as if nothing had happened. Weird issue, my guess would be that it is caused by "hickups" of the Havok engine itself.

The thing that worked best for me was to download pclp2014's havok for pc only (I replaced the hdt.xml files with other ones that I found bounced better) and I downloaded Vijla (For the reset Vijla spell just in case something goes wrong) and I equip myself with the Havok item (It's named something like hdt breast physics) or any npc that I want to have it at the time. Breast collision physics for everyone get really buggy and the reset spell will cover you when hdt itself poops the bed and someone goes invisible.

Do u have a link to "pclp2014's havok for pc only"?

Mookeylama · August 4, 2014

arg this is driving me nuts. i recently got a mod called Bucephalus. it adds just 1 single horse, and the horse has it's tail HDT enabled. the freakin tail will often stretch to the heavens and the entire horse will usually disappear...permanently. it's kinda like the texture gets attached to one point in space, then the farther the npc, creature, model moves from that space, the texture keeps getting stretched so thin that it eventually disappears.

*astor* · August 8, 2014

I get the disappearing female follower as well, but instead of reloading, i just wander in small circles until her name pops on the screen. Dialogue to remove armor from her inventory, and she pops back on the screen, i give her armor back and off we go. I tried waiting for her to reappear on her own, but she doesn't, nor does transitioning cells always bring her back.

Mordayne · September 5, 2014

I've got the same problem. I even see it when bandits and such spawn far in the distance (bands trailing through the sky down to the character's boobs, heh.) It doesn't bother me too much except in the area just outside Riften, where my companions tend to spazz out until they go invisible. I've modified many outfit NIFs in Nifscope to use Havok Physics... too many, perhaps?

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Breasts stretch REALLY far then said npc sometimes goes invisible.

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