SkyKids - Child NPC Replacer - Alternative

[uglykidcid]

And then the light bulb turned on and I realized that these NPCs were made with ECE which means that I can't export character gen.  Well then I am just I am just going to end this conversation by saying thank you for having the absolutely best child replacer for Skyrim.  I have downloaded and tested them all and this is hands down the best.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Actually, they were made with RaceMenu. The older version of RaceMenu, not the new 3+ version. Not sure if that makes any difference.

 

I couldn't figure out how to make an npc replacer and export the data with ECE, so En_Hawk was nice enough to give me a step by step on how to do it via RaceMenu lol. Honestly, I wish I could help you, but when I made this, I was learning the CK as I went. So it was all trial and error. Still a complete newb at the CK, sorry couldn't help more.

 

And thanks. Would like to revamp it at some point in the future, but I'm content with how it turned out now. Figured when I am up for it, I'll do a totally new remake, maybe use SG Hairs this time around as they have some nice ones. But thanks, I really appreciate it.

[Whizkid]

any plans to remove the Oblivion Hair Pack requirement, i mean getting another hair mods esp just for skykids, thanks.

[uglykidcid]

Oblivion Hair pack was one of my favorite requirements.

 

I found an easy way to get my teenagers.  I just used the UNP body.  Textures work perfect and the body automatically scales.  It uses the 0 weight which is perfect.  It's more of a teenager look then the original modified teenager mesh anyways.

[Spyder Arachnid]

@Whizkid

 

The Oblivion Hair Pack requirement is because several of the npcs use the Oblivion Hairs. So if I remove that requirement, you'll have a bunch of bald children running around. This is just an NPC child replacer, it's not the full SkyKids mod. The actual SkyKids mod doesn't require Oblivion Hair Pack. Just this npc replacer here does.

 

The actual SkyKids mod has compatibility patches for all sorts of different hair mods, two of them can be found on this page in the download section (SG Hair Pack and KS Hairdo's). When I made this mod, there was only patches for Apachii and Oblivion Hairs. Thus why it uses those two for diversity. I would really like to make this mod completely standalone (well, still require SkyKids though), so it doesn't need hair mod requirements and just include them with the mod, but that's far beyond my modding capabilities. So sadly, till then, in order to have the fancy hairs on this child replacer, you'll need the hair mods for them.

 

@uglykidcid

 

I completely forgot about just changing the body type. You should check out UNP Skinny then. I think that's the one EvasiaDutch uses to get that teen look on their characters. It fits pretty well.

[uglykidcid]

UNP Skinny...wow...that's a good idea.  

 

@whizkid why such animosity about having an extra hair pack?  It's not like hair packs are scripted.  They don't cause lag, savegame bloat, script bloat, CTDs, or anything else negative to a game. So why complain?  It's a really nice hair pack.  Maybe you should try NPCs of Dibella which requires those same hairs too.  Then you could have two mods that use Oblivion hair pack and your esm would feel more loved.

[myuhinny]

@uglykidcid

 

Depends if they have the precache killer or not without that you will get lag CTDs and game freezes in the race creation menu. Not sure how this one is as I have never used it but I have had other ones like the monli race bleed into my players race and I have had the older COTS bleed into other factions like the bandit faction there were many times where I was fighting a female bandit and they were using a hair from COTS mod.

[uglykidcid]

Oblivion hairpack has Headparts and Texture sets.  Tha's it.  So unless you add them yourself they won't bleed into anything.

 

I am not trying to be rude and I really don't want to insult anyone but if you are playing modded Skyrim without the precache killer which is included in Racemenu you deserve lag, freezes and CTDs.  If you are on Lovers Lab either you just really like to chit chat in the forums, which is fine, or you are modding Skyrim which means you should be using the precache killer.

[en_hawk]

What Guk said.

 

As well, I got a few complaints about the npcs being different weights that was causing neck seams and unwanted "breasts" in some of them with certain outfits. So making them all 0 guaranteed no more busty children and fixed the neck seams on most of the outfits for SkyKids.

That's all fixed in the new SKSE based armor swapper(which has not yet been released), so if you wanted to play with weights in the future once the new swapper launches, you would be able to do so without issues.

 

The actual SkyKids mod has compatibility patches for all sorts of different hair mods, two of them can be found on this page in the download section (SG Hair Pack and KS Hairdo's). When I made this mod, there was only patches for Apachii and Oblivion Hairs. Thus why it uses those two for diversity. I would really like to make this mod completely standalone (well, still require SkyKids though), so it doesn't need hair mod requirements and just include them with the mod, but that's far beyond my modding capabilities. So sadly, till then, in order to have the fancy hairs on this child replacer, you'll need the hair mods for them.

Just to clarify, in general, the hair patches for SK only affect whether or not the hairs show up during chargen on the SK races, you don't actually need them in order to use SK NPCs employing the hair(or to play a character who has already selected a hair from the mod).

 

I am not trying to be rude and I really don't want to insult anyone but if you are playing modded Skyrim without the precache killer which is included in Racemenu you deserve lag, freezes and CTDs.  If you are on Lovers Lab either you just really like to chit chat in the forums, which is fine, or you are modding Skyrim which means you should be using the precache killer.

I agree with everything you said.

[Spyder Arachnid]

 

That's all fixed in the new SKSE based armor swapper(which has not yet been released), so if you wanted to play with weights in the future once the new swapper launches, you would be able to do so without issues.

 

 

Which is going to be awesome! And with the new slider functions from here, I might just go ahead and start on that new replacer lol. Just wish I could figure out how to add the hairs directly to the npcs, so I wouldn't need to have the requirements for them. But eh, that requires a lot of work and permissions and blah. lol

 

@myuhinny

 

That's cause stuff like RCotS and CotS and such overwrite a lot of the vanilla assets. They are not standalone and will overwrite your regular races. That was an issue with CotS back when Jittek was working on it, and it is still an issue now with RCotS (since it is built off the old CotS and the bugs weren't fixed, it is still happening). Thus why they "bleed" into your regular stuff. There's nothing you can do about that, as that is just how those mods are (unless Glouf completely remakes the mod to make it truely standalone).

 

SkyKids is completely standalone. Meaning it will never overwrite any of your vanilla assets. It won't "bleed" into your regular races or anything. It operates all on its own, without conflicting with anything. So you won't ever have that issue.

[uglykidcid]

@Spyder adding the hairs to any esp is really easy.  You open OblivionHairPackAIO with TES5Edit.  Right click on the hair you want and copy as new record into your esp.  Do the same with the Hairline.  Than go back into and make sure the hair you added references the hairline you added as it will still reference the OblivionHairPackAIO.  The new formid will now use the old mesh so you have to include the meshes and textures.  Once you have all the hair and hairlines you want added and all the references fixed you can change the NPCs from OblivionHairPackAIO to you esp.  Once that is done your esp should not reference OblivionHairPackAIO anymore.  Right click on the esp with TES5edit and clean masters and this will remove OblivionHairPackAIO from your esp so lang as all references of it are removed.  And finally if that doesn't work as me and I''l do it for you.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Uhh....

 

 

Sure, I'll get right on that. lol

 

 

That is way too complex for my simple mind to do. But that would be awesome if you were willing to do it. Could be neat not having to require the hair packs anymore, and having the hairs already included. Not sure on how it would stand for permissions and such to include them, but honestly I don't think it would be a big deal. I mean heck, Glouf already includes hair and armor mods in RCotS without credits or permissions. So I don't see the issue if you included the hairs here.

 

But yeah, I don't mind that at all. If you're willing to go through all that, that would be awesome. Thanks.

[uglykidcid]

I can easily add the hairs to the esp but you will have to to the facegen.  Unless you want me to just use the existing set up.  If you are not going to change the hairs I can do it very quickly.  As far as permission you don't have to include the hair just require the packs but not the esm like NPCs of Dibella.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Yeah what is there is just fine to use (the existing stuff). I don't have any plans to modify the mod, so the stuff that is there is fine to use.

 

And that'll work. I'm not sure how it would all work, but that works that way too. So then they could just use the meshes and textures, without having another .esm in their load order.

[uglykidcid]

I will try to get it done tomorrow.

[Spyder Arachnid]

No worries, no rush. Sounds awesome. Thanks again.

[uglykidcid]

But I want 10% of the profits and another 10% to go to charity.  I'll send you the number to my Swiss bank account.  How else can I make everyone laugh today?

[Whizkid]

@SpyderArachnid,  i downloaded and installed the oblivion hair pack, just a question does this mod include all alternative changes to the npc children for skyrm, dawnguard, hearthfire and dragonborn?

[uglykidcid]

Hey Whiz Babes on the nexus has a Sky kids replacer for Inconsequential and Interesting NPCs

[Whizkid]

lol thanks uglykidcid, but there is soo many cool mods, unfortunately i am getting too near the 250 mod limit... despite having merge some plugins sigh..

 

i was using rs children, but this looks soo much more promising and cute hehe.

[uglykidcid]

Well now may be a good time to tell you that I am probably the best at merging in the modding business.  Seriously, it's what I do for fun. I may have some mergers you can use what's your load order look like?

 

I have a mega merger of outfits here on LL.  It's rather large though at 4-5 gigs.

 

I run hundreds?  thousands? I have no idea but I use 99 esps.

[Whizkid]

k, here is my plugin list

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp

Dawnguard.esm

Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp

HearthFires.esm

Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

Falskaar.esm

Wyrmstooth.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

Skykids.esm

OblivionHairPackAIO.esm

hdtHighHeel.esm

CreatureFramework.esm

ApachiiHairFemales.esm

ApachiiHair.esm

Dragon Break.esm

SexLab.esm

Devious Devices - Assets.esm

SexLabAroused.esm

ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

0db2SECOND.esm

ZaZAnimationPack.esm

Devious Devices - Integration.esm

daymoyl.esm

Devious Devices - Expansion.esm

HighResTexturePack01.esp

HighResTexturePack02.esp

HighResTexturePack03.esp

Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp

Cutting Room Floor.esp

SkyUI.esp

SkyrimHighDefinitionLODsDragonborn.esp

SK ApachiiHairFemales.esp

SK ApachiiHair.esp

SexLab_SOS-Stapon.esp

SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp

SexLabRapeSpell.esp

SeranaDialogEdit.esp

Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Merged.esp

Real Roads.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp

SkyrimHighDefinitionLODs.esp

Potions.esp

SexLab Cumshot.esp

NpcHavokHit.esp

SOSRaceMenu.esp

NonSexLabAnimationPack.esp

No More Glowing Edges.esp

NewmillerPiercings3.esp

NewmillerPiercings2.esp

MoreNastyCritters.esp

JContainers-optional_installation_validator.esp

Schlongs of Skyrim.esp

Invisibility Eyes Fix.esp

HeartbeatRemover.esp

SexLab Submit.esp

GotMilk.esp

FNISSexyMove.esp

SWT1.2.esp

Facelight.esp

Exhaustion.esp

SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

You Hunger.esp

EstrusChaurus.esp

DW Enemies and Wanderers.esp

SOS - Leito Addon.esp

Dead Body Collision.esp

dD-No Spinning Death Animation Merged.esp

SerialStrip.esp

SerialStripper.esp

ELFX - Merged.esp

DarkbroSanctuary.esp

DanceTogether.esp

Serana.esp

SK OblivionHairPackAIO.esp

SK Vanilla Child Replacer DB.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel Falskaar.esp

CitrusHead - Standalone.esp

BloodthirstVampireFeeding.esp

ChildrenAnimationPath.esp

AZS03SexLabHdtHighHeels.esp

AzarHairPonyTail 03 - Havok.esp

Proper Aiming.esp

Blush When Aroused CE.esp

Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

Customizable Camera.esp

DrunkenSluts.esp

Blush When Aroused.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

Tamriel Reloaded.esp

GrassOnSteroids_NaturalEdition_Vanilla.esp

EpisodeParallax.esp

EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp

SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp

Falskaar Wildlife.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp

12FemaleBrows.esp

dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp

Brawl Bugs CE.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch.esp

Supreme Storms - Cot Version.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_SupStorms.esp

SexLabNudeCreatures.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDB.esp

SexLabNudeCreaturesDG.esp

AOS.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp

WerewolvesOccurringNaturally.esp

ELFXEnhancer.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp

RealShelter.esp

sanguinesDebauchery.esp

MasculinizedLevelListsMerged.esp

No Dragon LODs v2 full.esp

Werewolves.esp

Ank_Castle_Main.esp

Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp

SoS - The Wilds.esp

SoS - Civilization.esp

Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp

SoS - The Dungeons.esp

Milker Movil Armor.esp

SexLab_DibellaCult.esp

Sacrificial Spriggan.esp

Spriggan Armor 2.esp

BDIC.esp

Captured Dreams.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Merged.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp

FalskaarClouds.esp

dip.esp

animal_mansion.esp

SK Vanilla Child Replacer.esp

SkyKids - NPC Replacer.esp

SK Vanilla Child Replacer HF.esp

DW Commoners.esp

Toccata as Elisif.esp

Bijin Wives.esp

Bijin Warmaidens.esp

KTABladeOfWoe.esp

IceBreaker's Improved Reverb v0.025.esp

HentaiCreatures.esp

RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

SexLab-Stories.esp

xazPrisonOverhaul.esp

SexLabSexBounty.esp

xazPrisonOverhaul - Patch.esp

Power Tomes Nightvision.esp

AliciaPainSlut.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp

Mannequin.esp

DeviousRegulations.esp

PATCHDragon Break.esp

CoCo_TDM2.esp

SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp

GetStripped.esp

LoversHook.esp

BesEss.esp

CollegeDaysWinterhold.esp

Devious Deviants.esp

zzEstrus.esp

MiasLair.esp

ARDX - Map Markers Collection.esp

SexLab_Dialogues.esp

AngrimApprentice.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

aMidianBorn_ContentAddon.esp

aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

ISCompendium AOS Patch.esp

RSPatch.esp

Supreme Fog - CoT.esp

CoT_SnowPatch_NoAurora.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_Snow-40.esp

CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp

AOS2_RealisticWaterTwo Patch.esp

AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp

SoS - The Wilds-PatchCoTSounds.esp

SoS - Civilization -PatchCoTSounds.esp

ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

iHUD.esp

0db2patch.esp

daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp

SexLab-StoriesDevious.esp

MilkModNEW.esp

Books of Skyrim Compilation.esp

MilkModNEW HF.esp

MilkModNEW AB.esp

SpousesEnhanced.esp

Deviously Cursed Loot.esp

SexLabDefeat.esp

The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp

LoversComfort.esp

Devious Cidhna.esp

portal2mod.esp

iNeed.esp

HDT Piercingsets.esp

iNeed - Dangerous Diseases.esp

SK Child Armor Swapper.esp

BVLT - Human.esp

SplashofRain.esp

VioLens.esp

MilkModNEW ZaZ.esp

 

[uglykidcid]

I can make a number of recommendations tomorrow when I am back at my computer. Right of the bat I recommend you delete the high resolution DLCs. Those are three wasted esps when there are much better textures out there. I would follow STEP for textures.

[Whizkid]

yea its just left there but i am using mostly loose files for textures tho, with the major from 4K Parallax Skyrim by Pfuscher aka Zerwas1.

[Spyder Arachnid]

@Whizkid

 

Yes it covers all the children in the game, Skyrim, Hearthfires, and Dragonborn (no kids in Dawnguard). And like Uglykidcid said, if you use other mods that add children, check out SkyKids on the Nexus. It has patches for tons of mods (I personally use Expanded Towns and Cities patches).

 

And I know what you mean about mod limit. I'm currently running 178 mods, and that is with merges. I have several different merged files for all the mods I use (mostly armors). My biggest is 14GB lol. Merge those armors and weapons (as long as they don't have scripts)! Save me tons of space. Surprisingly, my game is extremely stable.

 

And yeah I tried RS Children for awhile, it was pretty well done. My only issue with it was there was no diversity, all the children looked exactly the same. But otherwise it is pretty awesome. My replacer here is very "fantasy based" in looks. All the children look different from each other, and wear regular vanilla clothes and armors instead of children clothes. So they look different from each other (or at least, I tried to make them all look different lol).

 

And 4k Parallax Skyrim!?! How are you not using Tamriel Reloaded HD yet!!? Just kidding.