3BA Chest physics not working when wearing outfits (Updated title)

[Slickbutter]

13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

3BA is a physics-capable body (shape), it is not the physics. Your options are HDT-SMP and CBPC. These can be used together. From what I understand, People use the SMP for the hair and outfits and CBPC for the rest.

 

CBPC

Oh, okay.

I do have CBPC as well.

 

I do want to set it up like that, CBPC for body and HDT-SMP for hair.

It seems to work when not wearing an outfit.

 

So maybe the mod for outfits I selected are wrong, or I just set up the bodyslider wrong. I used Batch build option with the Build morphs option selected, so I assumed that was enough.

[Dorabella]

17 minutes ago, Slickbutter said:

I used Batch build option with the Build morphs option selected,

I don't use it and, CBPC, it also works on clothes. It also considers the type of dress. 

If you wear iron armor, of course, you won't be able to have the jiggle 

 

If you haven't installed it, you will also need this  FSMP - Faster HDT-SMP

 

Remember that for the best body collision, you will have to install CBPC ONLY , without any other option (E.G CBPC+SMP)
SMP, only for clothes/hair etc.

[Slickbutter]

On 3/2/2025 at 11:17 AM, Dorabella said:

I don't use it and, CBPC, it also works on clothes. It also considers the type of dress. 

If you wear iron armor, of course, you won't be able to have the jiggle 

 

If you haven't installed it, you will also need this  FSMP - Faster HDT-SMP

 

Remember that for the best body collision, you will have to install CBPC ONLY , without any other option (E.G CBPC+SMP)
SMP, only for clothes/hair etc.

I have Faster HDT-SMP, yes

 

I downloaded both of these from the CBPC page

• CBPC - Fomod installer - MAIN FILE
• 3B Breast-Butt Bounce Configs for 3BA-BHUNP-COC

 

Before reading your message, I tested it with prison rags, and it didn't work. Finally, I decided to do a bit more digging, going further to the game, and test out some more clothes. The furred armor, which I think should have physics, doesn't have it. I used a modded room to quickly acquire the mod clothes with 3BA support and such, and then I noticed that there was some jiggle, specifically the rear. But the chest wasn't moving at all

 

I'll have to go back and confirm if the rear's physics works on the prison rags and furred armor, but it did mean that there was something weird happening with the clothes. Because when nude, all of the physics works as intended.

[Dorabella]

10 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

• CBPC - Fomod installer - MAIN FILE
• 3B Breast-Butt Bounce Configs for 3BA-BHUNP-COC

Probably depends on the order of installation ( not sure)

 

Install 3BA/BHUNP

Install CBPC for physics

Rebuild body with Bodyslide

Test into game, with the naked body . If it works with the nude, the installation is correct

10 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

here was some jiggle

It may depend on the configuration of the various files. Values that are too low . It seems to me that , during installation , there are several options on physics 

 

CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR  i use this with amplitude , you should find during the installation 

[Qviddhartha]

To make physics work in my game, I thought I had to install a clothing&armor replacer mod that was aware of the extra bones.  Installing the physics mods did not suffice by itself.  Perhaps I am remembering wrong?

[Slickbutter]

10 hours ago, Dorabella said:

Probably depends on the order of installation ( not sure)

 

Install 3BA/BHUNP

Install CBPC for physics

Rebuild body with Bodyslide

Test into game, with the naked body . If it works with the nude, the installation is correct

It may depend on the configuration of the various files. Values that are too low . It seems to me that , during installation , there are several options on physics 

 

CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR  i use this with amplitude , you should find during the installation 

 

CBPC - Physics with Collisions

1. Body Shape
   > I chose CBBE Curvy instead of CBBE Vanilla
2. FPS Selection
   > 60 FPS
3. Bounce Config for 1 Breast Bone Body
   > 10 - Jiggliest
4. Bounce Amplitude, Butt Amplitude, and Belly Amplitude
   > Normal  (For all of them. Other options seem to reduce the bounce)
5. Gravity Config
   > None

CBPC 3-Bone Breast Body Breast-Butt Bounce Configs for 3BA-BHUNP-COCO

1. Breast Body Shape for Weight
   > "I use a different Weight Body" (Other choices were "I use a Same Weight Body" and "Don't install Breast Bounce Config")
2. Breast Bounce Config
   > 10 (Jiggliest) for 100 - 1(Firmest) for 0
3. Breast Amplitude
   > Normal (100% - 100%)
4. Bounce Config for Butt
   > 10 Jiggliest
5. Butt Amplitude
   > Normal (100% - 100%)

So I reinstalled it and kept most of these settings the same. I can confirm this

• Vanilla outfits had no jiggle
• Modded outfits only had butt jiggles
• Nude has full jiggles

I think the issue were some patches on literally the Prison rags and fur outfits, dear goodness. I disabled them because I dunno what mod they belong to.

 

I'm turning on CBBE 3BA Vanilla Outfits Redone again to test. But it's asking me which goes first:

"CBBE" or "CBBE 3BA outfits" 

7 hours ago, pfB6cs said:

To make physics work in my game, I thought I had to install a clothing&armor replacer mod that was aware of the extra bones.  Installing the physics mods did not suffice by itself.  Perhaps I am remembering wrong?

It's a rollercoaster of what happened.

After the main fiasco of my buggy modding attempt was done, I tried 3BA Vanilla Clothes and Armor (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51610) which didn't have any noticable jiggles. Then I tried CBBE 3BA Vanilla Outfits Redone (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/109194) and also didn't notice any jiggles. Then did Vanilla SMP Clothing (https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/82656).

 

When I tried another vanilla outfit, fur armor, it also didn't have noticable jiggles. Then I used a mod for cheat room to get clothes from mods, no breast jiggles but then I noticed the butt jiggles and made me wonder 

 

I'm turning on CBBE 3BA Vanilla Outfits Redone again to test. But it's asking me which goes first:

"CBBE" or "CBBE 3BA outfits"

[Grey Cloud]

You are still looking at this the wrong way. The body and the outfits do not provide the physics  - they are merely capable of doing physics. The actual physics - what is bouncing and the amount of bounce etc is provided by CBPC and/or SMP.

Choose one outfit replacer and stick with it. If its outfits are not showing any bounce etc then the problem will probably be down to you configuring the physics incorrectly.

 

3 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

But it's asking me which goes first:

"CBBE" or "CBBE 3BA outfits"

What exactly does the message say?

The mod does a non-physics or a physics install so I would guess that the CBBE is the non-physics install. I could be wrong though.

[Dorabella]

12 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

CBBE" or "CBBE 3BA

CBBE 3BA (3BBB)  I use this + CBPC , and it works perfectly

 

13 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

Nude has full jiggles

 

Nude is , CBBE or 3BA? If it works on the nude, it is a problem of the clothes

 

9 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

The mod does a non-physics or a physics install so I would guess that the CBBE is the non-physics install.

Probably so. CBBE physics, it should be an HDT but , without the various XMLs ( HDT-Physics,HDT3BB,etc) it doesn't work

[Slickbutter]

17 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

You are still looking at this the wrong way. The body and the outfits do not provide the physics  - they are merely capable of doing physics. The actual physics - what is bouncing and the amount of bounce etc is provided by CBPC and/or SMP.

Choose one outfit replacer and stick with it. If its outfits are not showing any bounce etc then the problem will probably be down to you configuring the physics incorrectly.

 

What exactly does the message say?

The mod does a non-physics or a physics install so I would guess that the CBBE is the non-physics install. I could be wrong though.

 

I'm trying to show the image, but the dang website is saying it has an "invalid_image_dimensions" as I type this message

 

 

Here's the message (Decided to just type it out)

 

There are unresolved file conflicts. This means that two or more mods contain the same files and you need to decide which of them loads last and thus provides the files.

Caliente's Beautiful Bodies Enhancer CBBE - v2.0.3 <> CBBE 3BA Vanilla Outfits Redone v4.1.3

 

This is on Vortex, and is just asking which to load before and which to load after.

 

8 hours ago, Dorabella said:

CBBE 3BA (3BBB)  I use this + CBPC , and it works perfectly

 

 

Nude is , CBBE or 3BA? If it works on the nude, it is a problem of the clothes

 

Probably so. CBBE physics, it should be an HDT but , without the various XMLs ( HDT-Physics,HDT3BB,etc) it doesn't work

 

I know that, I mentioned earlier that the clothes are the problem but I can't figure out why they're working incorrectly.

 

Maybe it was the outfits I selected when using bodyslide. If it has HDT, then I use the HDT of the 3BA offered? Or am I not supposed to?

Edited March 6, 2025 by Slickbutter

[Grey Cloud]

The conflicts one is simple  - let the mod overwrite CBBE. Vortex should tell you which files are involved.

Edited March 6, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[Dorabella]

14 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

Maybe it was the outfits I selected when using bodyslide. If it has HDT,

Open a nif of the suit in Nifskope, extend 0NiNode , check for the existence of the string HDT Skinned Mesh Physics Object

 

Spoiler

 

 

Following the given path, check for the existence of the relevant XML file . If you want to put it here, let's see what's wrong with it . Nothing prevents you from thinking that , there are compilation errors/missing strings . 

[Slickbutter]

Okay, so now the outfits in general has jiggles for the rear, and now the belly but not the breasts. The belly is supposed to have physics, yes, but I notice the way it sways left and right like a jiggle, which is not like the player character when they are nude (Where the chest and rear both jiggle and the belly doesn't noticeably sway much if at all.

 

14 hours ago, Dorabella said:

Open a nif of the suit in Nifskope, extend 0NiNode , check for the existence of the string HDT Skinned Mesh Physics Object

 

  Hide contents

 

 

Following the given path, check for the existence of the relevant XML file . If you want to put it here, let's see what's wrong with it . Nothing prevents you from thinking that , there are compilation errors/missing strings . 

I'll download Nifskope tomorrow.
Is it this link? https://github.com/niftools/nifskope/releases

 

[Slickbutter]

Spoiler

 

On 3/6/2025 at 9:20 AM, Dorabella said:

Open a nif of the suit in Nifskope, extend 0NiNode , check for the existence of the string HDT Skinned Mesh Physics Object

 

  Hide contents

 

 

Following the given path, check for the existence of the relevant XML file . If you want to put it here, let's see what's wrong with it . Nothing prevents you from thinking that , there are compilation errors/missing strings . 

Sorry if the screenshots I provided isn't useful, I never used this software before.

This has images of Prison rags. Even then, I'm trying to figure out which one is being used in the game right now. ( I know for sure this mod is active and is the only outfit mod active right now)

[Dorabella]

I did some experiments and, I think the cause is due to CBPConfig_3b.TXT. After replacing 2/3 different files, I noticed that the 3BBB tended to shrink to almost zero

 

Copy/drop into skyrim data\skse\plugins 

 

Try this, after backing up your file  CBPConfig_3b.txt     If the first one seems too much for you, this other one CBPConfig_3b.txt

 

It's pretty high, you might not even like it . Also consider this detail. A woman with small boobs will never be able to bounce like big boobs

 

3 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

Even then, I'm trying to figure out which one is being used in the game right now

Of little importance, As one is made, so are they all  

 

 

 

[Slickbutter]

3 hours ago, Dorabella said:

I did some experiments and, I think the cause is due to CBPConfig_3b.TXT. After replacing 2/3 different files, I noticed that the 3BBB tended to shrink to almost zero

 

Copy/drop into skyrim data\skse\plugins 

 

Try this, after backing up your file  CBPConfig_3b.txt     If the first one seems too much for you, this other one CBPConfig_3b.txt

 

It's pretty high, you might not even like it . Also consider this detail. A woman with small boobs will never be able to bounce like big boobs

 

Of little importance, As one is made, so are they all  

 

 

 

I tried both of the files

 

Put them the following location:

Vortex Mods\skyrimse\CBPC 3-Bone Breast Body Breast-Butt Bounce Configs for 3BA-BHUNP-COCO-21224-1-5-2-1654550666\SKSE\Plugins

 

for the first file I ran a body slide, FNIS, and then ran the game. Nothing seemed to have changed

 

So I put in the next file, this time skipping running body slide and FNIS, and there still doesn't seem to be a change.

 

• The chest still remains still when outfits are on
• When character isn't wearing an outfit, the physics are all working

I don't know if I downloaded the outfits for 3BA incorrectly or such. It's very peculiar

[Slickbutter]

On 2/11/2025 at 5:16 AM, HentaiGnome said:

Honestly? Get rid of SOS. It's outdated and pretty much in maintenance mode, if you can even call it that. I personally switched to The New Gentleman when I recently got back to modding last month (after YEARS of a break) and I didn't have any issues getting schlongs to work in any Sexlab scene. I'm also using the latest updated version of Skyrim AE on Steam.

Hey, sorry if this message is sudden, but I was looking back at previous mods to try reinstalling and then saw this

I am using new gentlemen now. Haven't seen if it worked actually, but I left this patch on. Is this patch necessary for The New gentlemen?

[HentaiGnome]

4 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

Hey, sorry if this message is sudden, but I was looking back at previous mods to try reinstalling and then saw this

I am using new gentlemen now. Haven't seen if it worked actually, but I left this patch on. Is this patch necessary for The New gentlemen?

 

Honestly, it's been a while since I installed XP32 so I don't recall the exact option I chose for that. I believe on TNG mod page it said it doesn't really matter what you pick. Worse case scenario is that it doesn't work and if that's the case just simply reinstall XP32 using a different option. What IS important though is that XP32 loads at the bottom/last.

Edited March 10, 2025 by HentaiGnome

[Slickbutter]

4 hours ago, HentaiGnome said:

 

Honestly, it's been a while since I installed XP32 so I don't recall the exact option I chose for that. I believe on TNG mod page it said it doesn't really matter what you pick. Worse case scenario is that it doesn't work and if that's the case just simply reinstall XP32 using a different option. What IS important though is that XP32 loads at the bottom/last.

I'm using Vortex and it seems to be working fine. I assume the load order will be okay. I have yet to check the male models since I'm trying to figure out CBPC at the moment. If it comes up with the guys though, I guess I'll know to tinker with the XP32's setting

[Dorabella]

16 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

Vortex Mods\skyrimse\CBPC 3-Bone Breast Body Breast-Butt Bounce Configs for 3BA-BHUNP-COCO-21224-1-5-2-1654550666\SKSE\Plugins

Skyrim data\SKSE\Plugins . this is the correct path. probably, your problem depends on Vortex and not on CBPC or hdt-smp

 

To mod my Skyrim, I use NMM . It works perfectly on both Skyrim LE(oldrim) and , on Skyrim SE/AE

 

 

 

[Grey Cloud]

On 3/10/2025 at 1:08 PM, HentaiGnome said:

What IS important though is that XP32 loads at the bottom/last.

Unless you are using ABC or MNC. MNC should be last.

Edited March 11, 2025 by Grey Cloud

[Slickbutter]

7 hours ago, Dorabella said:

Skyrim data\SKSE\Plugins . this is the correct path. probably, your problem depends on Vortex and not on CBPC or hdt-smp

 

To mod my Skyrim, I use NMM . It works perfectly on both Skyrim LE(oldrim) and , on Skyrim SE/AE

 

 

 

It seems the data has changed from Vortex. I checked he files and compared them to what you provided, and they match.

[Dorabella]

13 hours ago, Slickbutter said:

It seems the data has changed from Vortex. I checked he files and compared them to what you provided, and they match.

That they are correct, is one thing , that they function correctly, another .

 

 

Edited March 11, 2025 by Dorabella

[Slickbutter]

I found the issue, and I was right that I set it up by mistake.

 

the optional file from CBPC is what bugged the breasts, causing them to be stiff for outfits. By disabling it, it has made all the body jiggle. Hopefully that is the end of this particular issue.

 

 

It was before I read this, but dang, I bet that guide would have helped a lot

9 hours ago, Dorabella said:

That they are correct, is one thing , that they function correctly, another .