Raven 54 Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 I am Considering buying a new Gaming PC, your thoughts & Recommendations would be appreciated. @traison If any of you have thoughts or better PC's to look at please post. This will give me 1Tb for C drive as I currently have 500Gb, upgrade my memory as I currently have 16Gb, I can use the two 2Tb drives I have via SATA ports/Internal for drive E & F. Current PC info... Spoiler Device name DESKTOP-P9JIQRI Processor AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor 3.59 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB Device ID B1BE84F2-38ED-49C2-A9A7-1CD86EB8AC44 Product ID 00325-96761-12018-AAOEM System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display This is what I am looking at... Alienware - Aurora R16 Desktop – Intel Core i7 Processor 14700KF – NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER - 32GB Memory – 1TB SDD - Black Specs Spoiler Processor Model Intel Core i7 14th Generation Storage Type SSD Total Storage Capacity 1000 gigabytes System Memory (RAM) 32 gigabytes Graphics Type Dedicated Graphics NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Product Name Aurora R16 Desktop – Intel Core i7 Processor 14700KF – NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER - 32GB Memory – 1TB SDD Brand Alienware Model Number AWAUR16-7923BLK-PUS Year of Release 2024 Color Black Color Category Black Processor Processor Brand Intel Processor Model Intel Core i7 14th Generation Processor Model Number 14700KF CPU Base Clock Frequency 2.5 gigahertz Number of CPU Cores 20-core CPU Cache Memory Level L2 L2 Cache 61 megabytes Storage Storage Type SSD Total Storage Capacity 1000 gigabytes Solid State Drive Capacity 1000 gigabytes Solid State Drive Interface PCIe Memory System Memory (RAM) 32 gigabytes Type of Memory (RAM) DDR5 System Memory RAM Speed 5600 megahertz Graphics Graphics Type Dedicated GPU Brand NVIDIA Graphics NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Compatibility Operating System Windows 11 Home Connectivity Number of HDMI Outputs (Total) 1 Number of DisplayPort Outputs (Total) 3 USB Ports 5 x USB-A 3.2, 3 x USB-C 3.2 Number of USB Ports (Total) 8 Wireless Connectivity Bluetooth, Wi-Fi Ethernet Card 10/100/1000 Number Of Ethernet Ports 1 Power Power Supply Maximum Wattage 1000 watts https://www.bestbuy.com/site/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop-intel-core-i7-processor-14700kf-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-32
Lemurion287 Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 No. Don't buy that Alienware. Not only do Alienware computers thermal throttle so much that you lose a significant percentage of your performance, but I can't in good conscience recommend anything with a 13th or 14th Generations Intel K-model processor. People have been having massive failure issues with those parts that are causing irreversible damage to the processor core. If you want Intel, stick with 12th Gen, or go to a Ryzen 7-series. (I don't recommend the new Ryzen 9-series either but that's just price to performance not because it's a genuinely bad product). I've attached a link to a video on the problem. 3
MGX-117 Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 The specs you posted on the Aurora R16 Desktop is a fairly mid-ranged tier gaming PC and should be pretty good with most modern games. If you are playing games on 1080p resolution you should get pretty good frames with the RTX 4070 super, 4k not so much but sill very much playable. The intel i7 processor is also mid ranged but will get the job done. 32GB of ram is plenty and a big upgrade from your 16GB. I would stay away from the Alienware brand though for a number of reasons. 1. They are owned by Dell which isn't a very good PC company anymore. (Customer service\overall build quality\bloatware, ect.) 2. Far as I am aware their computers aren't very "upgradeable friendly". (I could be wrong on this but I was told long ago) 3. Terrible Customer service if you run into any problems. 4. VERY OVER-PRICED PC's! The last one is the biggest issue. Alienware (Dell) computers are just absolutely so overpriced. Its ridiculous. The Alienware name brand is their biggest selling point and they know it. Yes their laptop and desktop designs are super cool I will admit....but not for the prices they sell them. Here are some alternatives that are by better brands: Tier 1: MSI and ASUS (Great companies that are very reliable and excellent build quality and parts.) Tier 2: iBUYPOWER and CyberPower (Also very good companies that sell their PCs alot cheaper. Reliable and great build quality.) Tier 1: MSI- https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-rs2-c14nuf7-820us/p/N82E16883151420?Item=9SIA24GKC95138 ASUS- https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000F-030W7?Item=9SIAC3JJM54387 Tier 2: iBUYPOWER- https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-0007-00HV4?Item=3D5-0007-00HV4 CyberPower- https://www.newegg.com/cyberpowerpc-gxl99615-gamer-xtreme/p/N82E16883230746?Item=N82E16883230746 I use to sell gaming PC's back in the day. Hope this helps. 3
AKM Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 (edited) A many year acquaintance of mine swears by ibuypower.com. He has bought at least two from them - on the recommendation of his son who is an IT type. "Dad, just go to them. They know what they're doing." he says. If you're looking for a powerful machine and money is less of an issue, I'd check them out. Pretty sure they can build to your needs, but it'll be a little pricey. I second the warning to steer clear of Alienware. In all the time I've known of them, it has been nothing but bad news. Just don't. Never had one myself, though. Mine current machine is pushing 11 years old, and I am seriously considering a ground-up new machine as well. (Ist also German, apparently.) This is the third computer in this case, but I've gotten to the point where I'm just not into spending the time to spec a build myself. Edited October 1, 2024 by AKM 2
traison Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 First off, know what you want from your machine, and know what it can cost. Gaming machine doesn't mean anything really. I have a gaming machine too. I play Skyrim (2011) and Doom (1993). My 3060 is pushing frames like nobody's business. Can it run GTA 6 at 60 fps? Don't know, don't care. AMD for CPU, don't even consider Intel right now. They got caught with their pants down when Ryzen was released and they still got their dick stuck in the zipper. AMD for GPU if you go Linux. I had no issues with nVidia on Linux, but the "experts" say AMD, YMMV. nVidia for GPU if you go Windows. Not having CUDA processors can bite you in the ass in the most surprising situations. 16 GiB RAM minimum: expect to run into issues with virtual machines and running dedicated servers on the same machine as a game. 24-32 if you expect to do more advanced things. ASUS motherboard. They say their customer service is horrible. I can't comment on that because I've never had to return one in my 30 years of PC building. Just try to filter out the "gaming" fluff, i.e. don't pay for a "gaming" motherboard when you get the equivalent for half the price just without the "gaming" text and RGB disco lights. Personally I buy nothing less than 4TiB storage devices these days. Keep in mind that a single game can be around 100 GiB. My modded Skyrim is about 200 GiB. Windows 11 takes up about 150 GiB - that's 50% of your 1 TiB gone if you put it all on one drive. Consider whether you'd get enough performance out of a 3000 series GPU rather than buying a 4000 series for potentially twice the cost. Do not buy into the PR talk of every series being 2X this and 2X that - it's not, you might gain 5-15% fps. Consider whether you truly need a 1000W power supply. 800-1000 used to be enough to run 2 cards in SLI only a few years ago. Unless the 4000 series GPU uses 500-700W on its own I'd say 600-700W is perfectly fine for a gaming machine. High quality of course. If you go Chinese clone then 1000W or not doesn't matter, it's gonna produce magic smoke regardless. If you plan to add more internal storage, especially if its 3.5", pay close attention to the case you're getting. I found out recently that very few cases these days are made to contain these drives. Granted I have close to 20 TiB here and every sata port is connected to a storage device, but still, fitting even 2 HDDs was not an issue 10 years ago and now it seems impossible. Do not buy a Logitech mouse if you want to keep it longer than a year. Microsoft is one to avoid as well. Corsair has been surprisingly good, and no RGB disco lights either. If you do any kind of office work, be it research on the internet, writing, coding, ... 2 monitors is a minimum. Mechanical keyboard recommended. Cherry brown if you're not into that clicky stuff. One generic rule I go by when shopping is to find the most expensive item of a category, say the most expensive GPU. I make note of what that gets me. Then I look at the item that fits the current budget and compare the two. If the price went down say $500 and I only lost out on a couple of hundered CUDA processors then making the decision gets kinda easy. Another hint is to look at consoles and what they're doing. Remember that games for the past 20 years have been made for console first, PC only because someone complained about it. If the PC you build is worse in some aspect to a console, expect issues with games made for that console generation. If we're deep into a console generation, expect a new one to release soon. I've heard rumours of a "PS5 Pro", so depending on how "pro" that is, that may or may not up the requirements for games in the near future. And yes Linux is perfectly valid for gaming, I'd even say its better right now as long as you don't mind the fiddling that's part of Linux. The price of being in control is that, well, you're in control. My modded Skyrim ran out-of-the-box with MO2 and everything. 5
Raven 54 Posted October 1, 2024 Author Posted October 1, 2024 3 hours ago, Lemurion287 said: People have been having massive failure issues with those parts Thank You. 2 hours ago, MGX-117 said: Far as I am aware their computers aren't very "upgradeable friendly". Terrible Customer service if you run into any problems. Couldn't upgrade the memory but had no other issues, did not need Customer Service. Will check out your provided links, Thank You. 2 hours ago, AKM said: I second the warning to steer clear of Alienware. I bought this one never having owned or operated a computer before the great shut down of 2020, had always sworn to go to my grave without ever using one. It has been lots of fun modding Skyrim & Fallout 4! 1 hour ago, traison said: know what you want from your machine That is why I posted this Query...I don't know, Amateur owner operator who lives way out in the country, no support, no way to learn about PC's other than the web, reading some stuff is like Huh?!?! What does that mean, how will it work, how will it operate...I appreciate your thoughts. 1
Lemurion287 Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 1 hour ago, traison said: First off, know what you want from your machine, and know what it can cost. Gaming machine doesn't mean anything really. I have a gaming machine too. I play Skyrim (2011) and Doom (1993). My 3060 is pushing frames like nobody's business. Can it run GTA 6 at 60 fps? Don't know, don't care. AMD for CPU, don't even consider Intel right now. They got caught with their pants down when Ryzen was released and they still got their dick stuck in the zipper. AMD for GPU if you go Linux. I had no issues with nVidia on Linux, but the "experts" say AMD, YMMV. nVidia for GPU if you go Windows. Not having CUDA processors can bite you in the ass in the most surprising situations. 16 GiB RAM minimum: expect to run into issues with virtual machines and running dedicated servers on the same machine as a game. 24-32 if you expect to do more advanced things. ASUS motherboard. They say their customer service is horrible. I can't comment on that because I've never had to return one in my 30 years of PC building. Just try to filter out the "gaming" fluff, i.e. don't pay for a "gaming" motherboard when you get the equivalent for half the price just without the "gaming" text and RGB disco lights. Personally I buy nothing less than 4TiB storage devices these days. Keep in mind that a single game can be around 100 GiB. My modded Skyrim is about 200 GiB. Windows 11 takes up about 150 GiB - that's 50% of your 1 TiB gone if you put it all on one drive. Consider whether you'd get enough performance out of a 3000 series GPU rather than buying a 4000 series for potentially twice the cost. Do not buy into the PR talk of every series being 2X this and 2X that - it's not, you might gain 5-15% fps. Consider whether you truly need a 1000W power supply. 800-1000 used to be enough to run 2 cards in SLI only a few years ago. Unless the 4000 series GPU uses 500-700W on its own I'd say 600-700W is perfectly fine for a gaming machine. High quality of course. If you go Chinese clone then 1000W or not doesn't matter, it's gonna produce magic smoke regardless. If you plan to add more internal storage, especially if its 3.5", pay close attention to the case you're getting. I found out recently that very few cases these days are made to contain these drives. Granted I have close to 20 TiB here and every sata port is connected to a storage device, but still, fitting even 2 HDDs was not an issue 10 years ago and now it seems impossible. Do not buy a Logitech mouse if you want to keep it longer than a year. Microsoft is one to avoid as well. Corsair has been surprisingly good, and no RGB disco lights either. If you do any kind of office work, be it research on the internet, writing, coding, ... 2 monitors is a minimum. Mechanical keyboard recommended. Cherry brown if you're not into that clicky stuff. One generic rule I go by when shopping is to find the most expensive item of a category, say the most expensive GPU. I make note of what that gets me. Then I look at the item that fits the current budget and compare the two. If the price went down say $500 and I only lost out on a couple of hundered CUDA processors then making the decision gets kinda easy. Another hint is to look at consoles and what they're doing. Remember that games for the past 20 years have been made for console first, PC only because someone complained about it. If the PC you build is worse in some aspect to a console, expect issues with games made for that console generation. If we're deep into a console generation, expect a new one to release soon. I've heard rumours of a "PS5 Pro", so depending on how "pro" that is, that may or may not up the requirements for games in the near future. And yes Linux is perfectly valid for gaming, I'd even say its better right now as long as you don't mind the fiddling that's part of Linux. The price of being in control is that, well, you're in control. My modded Skyrim ran out-of-the-box with MO2 and everything. I have to second the validity of Linux--in some ways it's actually better for modded gaming. One issue people are running into with Fallout 4 and its NG update is that you can't keep different installations for say Fallout London on the GOG release and NG on Steam because they use the same folder. Linux puts each installation in a separate file system and so different versions don't override each other. When it comes to graphics on Linux, AMD is usually easier because it just works, but Nvidia works just fine as long as you remember to install a driver package. AMD drivers are baked in, while Nvidia often have to be installed separately. This also means that AMD usually has very similar performance on both Windows and Linux, while Nvidia generally has better performance in Windows. As for making the choice--Nvidia offers the best features and the best performance at the high end, but AMD often offers more performance per dollar in the mid-range. AMD also often offers more VRAM at a given price point, which helps a lot with large texture packs. Whether it's Windows or Linux, there is no one brand fits all users in graphics. I do have to disagree about Logitech mice not lasting more than a year. I have several that are still going strong after anywhere from 7-10 years, and one that's coming up on 20 years old. Granted, I don't use that last one much, but it still works. 1
AKM Posted October 1, 2024 Posted October 1, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, traison said: know what you want from your machine, and know what it can cost. Can it run 'X' at 60 fps? Don't know, don't care. This is extremely good advice. The only reason to "over-build" is for longevity. There are problems with that idea, however. 1. You must have some idea of what the games you are looking to play in the near to early mid future are going to require. 2. So far, technology has advanced at a ridiculous pace. About the time you think that "Oh, this'll run things just fine in 5 years!", you're staring at a machine that's struggling at 3 years. 3. As always, you have to find where price cost and performance cost points cross each other. That "x" is the "sweet spot" of the 'Price vs Performance' tradeoff. 4. You don't want to be spending loads of money today on performance that you won't need for another six months. By then, the cost of that performance will almost certainly have come down. By how much is anyone's guess, but it's almost guaranteed to be cheaper by some amount. 5. Having said all that, it's generally considered best to go with the maximum amount of performance that you can readily afford today, because if you intentionally skimp to save a few dollars, that brand new machine will only become outdated that much faster. So figure out what your budget is for what you want to accomplish, and do your damnedest to get as close as possible to spending ALL of what you have allotted for that build. If it's in the budget, that means you can afford to spend the money, so do so, and get the best you can afford. Future you will thank you for doing so because the build will be viable for longer. Oh, and it goes without saying that you don't spend extra for a flashy case to put it all in. You want something that works well, not something that looks fun (I assume). Don't go spending money in the wrong places on your build. Edited October 2, 2024 by AKM 2
Raven 54 Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 5 hours ago, Lemurion287 said: I have to second the validity of Linux I will check on them today. 5 hours ago, AKM said: it goes without saying that you don't spend extra for a flashy case Who cares if it has "Flashy/Flashy" things, I couldn't! At my age I only have to make it last 10 years so needs to be upgradeable. And the big hurdle is only have around $22 to $23 hundred I can comfortably let go of for a new machine. My PC is 4.5 years old and I only have Skyrim SE, F4, Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda, Starfield, Microsoft Flight Sim installed on it. It does struggle a bit with the flight sim. Thanks to you all for the input!!
AKM Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 Just now, Raven 54 said: It does struggle a bit with the flight sim. Flight sims are resource hogs. Oh, and if you get super serious about it, make sure you have plenty of USB ports to plug all the various and sundry peripherals you're going to find yourself wanting to do flight simming "right" (Stick, throttle, rudder pedals, Track IR or equivalent [head tracker], mouse keyboard, headset, external hard drive, etc. and so on.) For some reason, I find myself rapidly running out of USB ports! And also remember that every one of those things uses power, so you're upping your power requirements, too. Another point that got me: Beware of the bottlenecks. What is most likely to cause the problem that brings everything else to a screeching halt. For my build, I recall that it was almost always a lack of available RAM. However... Since you are planning to upgrade, you will need more power than the original build requires. Probably. (Maybe.) The question will become "Which will come first, a more capable (video card, more or bigger hard drives to store all the extra stuff (I mean files), or will it be the increase in the efficiency of the various bits and pieces that will result in more capability for virtually the same power requirement?" Where I'm going with this is that you want to be "a bit" over your known power requirements, but if your build needs, say 450 watts, don't necessarily decide that 'I'll just go with an 800 watt PSU to be on the safe side!'. You'll be burning a LOT more electricity that you don't need to burn, and it's unlikely that you'll ever get to the point of needing even close to that much before the parts start wearing out or simply becoming obsolete. But DO go a "safe" amount over the calculated requirements. You don't want your power unit to be going 90-100% for the entirety of its life. I'd say at least 50-100 watts over what your specifications require, but it's been a long time since I've done a part by part build, so do some research, or better yet, ask someone who knows. Finally, by the time you run out of power that the PSU can provide, you'll probably want to do a new build anyway, possibly based on age alone.
Raven 54 Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, AKM said: bigger hard drives I have two 2Tb ssd's to add as well as a 2Tb disc drive for D drive, the D drive is new, the others 2 years old. I know I cannot afford the things you all are suggesting, not that they are not good suggestions, just a poor Hillbilly who likes to game not spend all my time learning the things that were taught to younger more tech savvy people. I do appreciate your opinion and respect your knowledge. EDIT; so like this one would work well? https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-r4-n1-elite/configure System 76 Linux Operating System Pop!_OS is an operating system designed and developed for perfect harmony with System76 computers. Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS with full disk-encryption Ubuntu 22.04 LTS +$0.00 Processor 5.7GHz Ryzen 9 9950X (16 Cores - 32 Threads) Memory 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz (2x32) OS Drive 2TB PCIe5 M.2 SSD - Best Performance Graphics 8GB AMD Radeon RX 7600 Edited October 2, 2024 by Raven 54
traison Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) 12 hours ago, Raven 54 said: That is why I posted this Query...I don't know, Amateur owner operator who lives way out in the country, no support, no way to learn about PC's other than the web, reading some stuff is like Huh?!?! What does that mean, how will it work, how will it operate...I appreciate your thoughts. The unfortunate fact about tech today is that practically every component has at least one trap in it. They tend to be the kind you'll only find out is plastered all over Google when you run into the issues yourself and know the keywords to search for. If we go back in time a bit, here's "traps" I remember having to deal with in the past: Some cheaper monitors still do not have even 8 bit color reproduction and instead only run at 6 bit and use dithering to make up for the remaining 2 bits. What does this mean in practice? Well you may not see it, instead you may feel it - eye strain, vision problems, headache and so on. Back when digital power management was becoming a thing there was components (presumably cheap or badly made) that would squeal when stressed. Most people can't hear the sound but its high enough to penetrate walls. The sort of sound you could sometimes get from a vacuum cleaner or an old TV. Same sound you get from these electric mouse repellants. Those who can't audibly hear it would feel it some time later as pressure inside their head, like their brain wanted to get out. High-end 4000 (and probably others) Intel CPUs would thermal throttle almost instantly if used with Turbo enabled (default settings) and the stock cooler. You might assume the product would work as provided, but that is not the case. A trap experienced PC builders wouldn't fall for perhaps, but a trap none the less. I'll try not to sh** on Intel so much so I'll also add that this may be a thing on AMD as well, I just haven't seen/experienced it. Higher frequency RAM does not mean its faster. A closer-to-truth number comes from the frequency divided by the CL - where higher quotient is better. Finding RAM with a low CL value today may not be easy, sometimes its better to buy older generation DIMMs because the CL values are better and the price is cheaper to boot. RAM frequencies are sometimes misrepresented in the sense that you may think you're buying fast ram, but what they didn't tell you is that you have to activate XMP to use that frequency. XMP is considered overclocking. It may change the way your CPU works (or the CPU may not even support it even if the motherboar does) and thus getting warranty to apply may be a challenge. The frequency you intend to use has to be supported both on the motherboard and the memory controller (usually the CPU). Anything labeled "GAMING" tends to be overpriced. Lower end nVidia GPUs tend to be rebrands of previous generations, especially if they release later from the rest of the bunch. The late-comers also run the risk of having very limited driver support, as in, if you need older drivers to support a game or expect long-term support it may not be there. These rebrands are not always bad, I've bought one myself. The rebranded card used about 100W less power and provided overall the same performance. Was it a good idea money-wise? Considering I couldn't get the old card anymore, sort of. 5 hours ago, Raven 54 said: I only have Skyrim SE, F4, Mass Effect Trilogy, Mass Effect Andromeda, Starfield, Microsoft Flight Sim installed on it. If this is all you're concerned with then you'll get by fine with something like this: Ryzen 5 nVidia 3000 series with 8 GiB (or more) VRAM. 16 GiB of RAM (or more) Storage as needed. 700W PSU. Obviously this is mid-range. Low-end in a couple of years. 5 hours ago, Raven 54 said: I only have to make it last 10 years so needs to be upgradeable. AMD CPU sockets I think have been quite steady and PCIe is backwards compatible, 10 years should be achieveable as long as Microsoft doesn't pull something stupid with Windows - which they occasionally do. Latest thing they tried to do was require TPM2, which could have dropped support for a lot of hardware. Another point for Linux I guess - you wouldn't have to live in constant fear whether the thing is going to boot next Monday or not; that is, unless you break it yourself, which, if you haven't used Linux is guaranteed to happen (and I'm not saying that as an insult, its an unfortunate fact for everyone) 😃 Another good source for information that I completely forgot about even though I've used it myself several times is the Steam Hardware Survey. Want to pick out a pretty much guaranteed to work machine right now, in 10 minutes? Go to the hardware survey and see what people most commonly used. You're almost guaranteed to get the bang-for-your-$$$ options as that's what people tend to go for. Edited October 2, 2024 by traison 1
NymphoElf Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 I personally recommend learning how to build your own. It's honestly very easy. The "hardest" part is learning how to do proper research into parts, but even then you can use PC Part Picker to help you out a bit there. This way you can have whatever specs you want and not have to worry about the kind of stuff pre-builders do in the videos linked here. You're in total control - as it should be. 2
traison Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 5 hours ago, Raven 54 said: EDIT; so like this one would work well? ... Only thing that concerns me about that one is the GPU. I don't know AMD GPUs but 8GiB of VRAM on a system with Ryzen 9 and 64 GiB system memory looks waaaay out of balance. I have 12 myself and it runs out immediately with certain LLMs (AI). A system like that I would say is future-proofed but the GPU memory is going to let you down within a couple of years, if it doesn't already. The Steam Hardware Survey for September 2024 says 8GiB is the most common (37.41%) right now. 12 being in 2nd place with 19.37%. 1
Raven 54 Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) 19 minutes ago, traison said: The Steam Hardware Survey for September 2024 I am planning on studying that site a bit later when I am not so tired, been up all night with a migraine. Oh and Thank You! Edited October 2, 2024 by Raven 54
Raven 54 Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 (edited) @Lemurion287 @MGX-117 @AKM @traison @NymphoElf Edited October 2, 2024 by Raven 54 1
Umeradith Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 If your looking at around 2300 USD, then I'd recommend trying to find something with a Ryzen 7800x3d and RTX 4070 TI Super. Something like this for specs: https://newegg.io/5a6bc01
Raven 54 Posted October 2, 2024 Author Posted October 2, 2024 26 minutes ago, Umeradith said: If your looking at around 2300 USD, then I'd recommend trying to find something with a Ryzen 7800x3d and RTX 4070 TI Super. Something like this for specs: https://newegg.io/5a6bc01 Device name DESKTOP-P9JIQRI Processor AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor 3.59 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB Device ID B1BE84F2-38ED-49C2-A9A7-1CD86EB8AC44 Product ID 00325-96761-12018-AAOEM System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display I already have that and it is struggling to keep up with my flight sim, but thank you I will look for parts to build there!
Umeradith Posted October 2, 2024 Posted October 2, 2024 Unfortunately the only way to figure out what you'll need to upgrade in that case is to do some profiling. You can use something like gpu busy metric in PresentMon (https://github.com/GameTechDev/PresentMon/releases/download/v2.2.0/PresentMon-2.2.0-x64.exe). If the GPU is waiting a lot, you need a cpu upgrade (Ryzen 5700x3d could be a good drop in upgrade if your system has a bios update available that supports it), but if it's not, you'll likely need a GPU upgrade (not sure what you have now, but you'll want at least RTX 3080 / RTX 4070 / Radeon RX 6800 XT / RX 7800 XT level performance as an upgrade target). Of course, you might need both to really get the kind of experience you want. It could also just be a matter of upgrading to 32GB of ram if the framerate is acceptable but it doesn't feel smooth. MSFS in particular is both CPU and memory intensive 1
AKM Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 16 hours ago, Raven 54 said: I have two 2Tb ssd's to add as well as a 2Tb disc drive for D drive, the D drive is new, the others 2 years old. I know I cannot afford the things you all are suggesting, not that they are not good suggestions, just a poor Hillbilly who likes to game not spend all my time learning the things that were taught to younger more tech savvy people. I do appreciate your opinion and respect your knowledge. EDIT; so like this one would work well? https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-r4-n1-elite/configure System 76 Linux Operating System Pop!_OS is an operating system designed and developed for perfect harmony with System76 computers. Pop!_OS 22.04 LTS with full disk-encryption Ubuntu 22.04 LTS +$0.00 Processor 5.7GHz Ryzen 9 9950X (16 Cores - 32 Threads) Memory 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz (2x32) OS Drive 2TB PCIe5 M.2 SSD - Best Performance Graphics 8GB AMD Radeon RX 7600 I really can't help you there. At my age I really don't have the time I used to to go learning to do it all myself. A BIG problem is that sometimes parts don't play well together. For whatever reason, X component might really, really prefer Manufacturer A's product over Manufacturer B's product. You won't know that unless you spend a LOT of time digging into a build, researching for a specific build, or you do it for a living and run into the specific problem children every day so that you just know that 'A does not play well bit B, but works just fine with C'. Regarding hard drives: They have a shelf life. Both in total operating hours and in physical age. And there are no guarantees. Just because it should last 5 years does not mean that you didn't get one of the 2% that fail in less than a year. This is why backup hard drives are important. Realistically, if I could find a super high capacity hardware item like a 20 GB cd, and just burn everything on a hard drive onto a physical disc - which would then be copied and kept in different locations for safe storage, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Then again, I don't know that *anything* I've ever done has been a big loss when a hard drive unexpectedly crapped out, so taking those extra steps when nothing really is that critical is a bit redundant - I guess. 1
belegost Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 On 10/1/2024 at 11:07 PM, traison said: Doom (1993) Sir, I always knew you were a man of culture and you constantly prove that indeed, you are. 1
KoolHndLuke Posted October 3, 2024 Posted October 3, 2024 (edited) OMFG my little mule is so fucking dated anymore it's embarrassing. Had a 'friend' literally ghost me after I told her my pitiful specs. Materialistic, elitist cunt. No wonder you're miserable. Edited October 3, 2024 by KoolHndLuke 1
taffster74 Posted October 12, 2024 Posted October 12, 2024 To the OP, It really depends on what game/games you want to run on the computer. I've got a HP laptop that's about 3 years old and I'm running Sims 4, Civilization V, Civilization VI, Sim City 2010, sims city 4 and Pharoah (2022) on it with no issues at all (well,, besides the typical sims 4 issues but that's to be expected there). All I can say is this - and this is based on advice I've gotten from others - try and make sure that your processors and drivers are from the same company to avoid any .... translation issues. So if you've got AMD processors, use AMD drivers - everything will run way smoother. 1
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