Just praying about DLC...

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Back in Skyrim LE or SE, the DLC's didn't spam you until you reached a certain level or did a certain thing. I'm REALLY praying that you don't get the Shattered Space quest prompt based on level alone. Otherwise -- without mods -- you'll get both the Tracker recruiter and the Shattered Space recruiter standing side-by-side the moment you land in New Atlantis, even if you've just passed through the Unity. Otherwise we'll be seeing the same old quest spam that we saw in Skryim AE, where the moment you stepped into Whiterun the courier spammed you with a bunch of quests all at once. What I'm really scared to see is the eventual Starfield AE where you see maybe 15 recruiter NPCs standing side-by-side to prompt you with quests, even when passing through the Unity. If that's the case and I see the reviews, guess who's not buying Starfield AE?

[Just Don't]

DLC integration as always been awful. If the only issue is the way the content is advertised to the player once you start your save, then mods will fix that easily, as usual. If each DLC requires a mod to not only change the start, but also fix or overhaul things around then, well that's also nothing new really.

Thing is Starfield is shit with no DLCs in mind. I don't see how adding poorly integrated DLCs with questionable quality content will change or fix this.

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

Bethesda won't "fix" anything. They've proven that with their track record. And I've lost count of the people on Reddit who lose their shit when you point that out. "How dare you question God Howard's vision and product?!"

[Wandering_Mania]

4 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Otherwise -- without mods -- you'll get both the Tracker recruiter and the Shattered Space recruiter standing side-by-side the moment you land in New Atlantis, even if you've just passed through the Unity.

But isn't that what the 5 person "modern audience" wants? Their own personal stalkers, following them around, nagging the hell out of them; Just so they can scream out "I'm a victim! I'm a victim!".

 

Okay joke aside. Let's be honest here: You know that's exactly what BGS is going to do. I mean they where conscientiously aware of what people would do when they made the TA quest. Enough so that they wrote, programed, and had a paid voice actress say things like this:

Spoiler

And there's a few lines that reference your intentional ignoring her. BGS knew people would do that. BGS knew that it was a piss poor way to implement that questline. But yet they still did it anyway. How can anyone expect Shattered Space to be any different? Especially when the DLC is a 47,200% markup from what we got with the base game.

2023 - 1000 planets for $70

2024 - 1 planet for $30

 

And all that, is not even bringing into the equation the fact that their "handcrafted" just means half assed. New Atlantis is also "handcrafted". But they went so far as to layout, and fully build the N.A.T. track and transit system; Only to cop out at the end, and place 'load screen doors' on the tram cars.

 

I fully expect the same level of 'half assed handcrafted' to come from the DLC. Prove me wrong BGS, I beg you. Because I'd rather expect the worst, and be pleasantly surprised; Than expect the best, just to have all hope crushed.

[DocClox]

5 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And there's a few lines that reference your intentional ignoring her. BGS knew people would do that. BGS knew that it was a piss poor way to implement that questline. But yet they still did it anyway

 

They've had a weird anti-player vibe to some of their interactions for a while now. My favorite is when you get called away to attend to something in RL and the NPC you're talking to starts shouting something like "Hey! You! Come and pay attention to me! I'm talking to you!" I mean, OK, I get people may do t hat in real life. but if I'm leaving the game paused in a dialogue, it's probably for a good reason, and I'd really appreciate it if the game I play for entertainment and relaxation would fucking well respect that their players may occasionally have more important things to do than give the game their. undivided attention.

 

I thought the computer biz had learned this lesson  after Microsoft's Clippy became the object of so much hate and derision.

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, DocClox said:

I thought the computer biz had learned this lesson  after Microsoft's Clippy became the object of so much hate and derision.

Well, Clippy was actually malware. So it got hate for good reason. But then again so is Cortana. But it receives less hate, only because it doesn't nag as much.

 

But I still can't understand how, or why, anyone, could, or would, defend this game (Starfailed), and/or even continue to say "it's a good game"; When there is nothing really 'good' about it. It's mediocre at best, and plain bad at worst. Even the mods for it are fairly limited in selection, and getting fewer by every patch; As every patch BGS makes usually breaks at least 50 mods.

 

There's no way Shattered Space will 'revive' Starfailed. Not unless BGS do a full on 180, and start to actually fix their shit. And really the best way to start, is just by giving every owner of Starfailed this DLC for free.

[DocClox]

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Well, Clippy was actually malware. So it got hate for good reason.

 

Only in the sense that Windows itself could be considered malware. But then Clippy was hated even by that low standard.

 

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

But I still can't understand how, or why, anyone, could, or would, defend this game (Starfailed), and/or even continue to say "it's a good game"; When there is nothing really 'good' about it

 

Well how about "Actually, I rather like it"? I mean I get that you don't and that's fair enough but do I need to write a 20,000 thesis defending it to you? Wold it make any difference if I did?

 

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Even the mods for it are fairly limited in selection, and getting fewer by every patch

 

I'll concede, they haven't done themselves any favors with this Creations platform. It's putting a lot of people off. As is hiding the documentation for the Starfield CK. It's almost as if they didn't want us LoversLab types joining in. But what can you do?

 

1 hour ago, Wandering_Mania said:

There's no way Shattered Space will 'revive' Starfailed.

 

Unlike you, my crystal ball is still on the blink, so I guess I'll wait and see what actually happens.

 

[Wandering_Mania]

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

Only in the sense that Windows itself could be considered malware. But then Clippy was hated even by that low standard.

Oh yeah, that was Bonzi Buddy I was thinking of. Never mind my bad. I mixed the two up.

 

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

Well how about "Actually, I rather like it"? I mean I get that you don't and that's fair enough but do I need to write a 20,000 thesis defending it to you? Wold it make any difference if I did?

Not really what I was talking about.

 

What I was talking about is that if/when anyone posts, or has any valid criticisms of the game; That person is always relentlessly attacked for "being hateful" by the 'white knight corp-o ass kissers'. They blindly defend, and accuse, when there was no hate said; Only respectful critique about something that could have been done better.

 

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

I'll concede, they haven't done themselves any favors with this Creations platform. It's putting a lot of people off. As is hiding the documentation for the Starfield CK. It's almost as if they didn't want us LoversLab types joining in. But what can you do?

Hell, it's been a few months at least since the last patch; And a good portion of mods on the nexus no longer work, and haven't been updated for this current patch. Even though they  look pretty good, and would vastly improve the game.

 

2 hours ago, DocClox said:

Unlike you, my crystal ball is still on the blink, so I guess I'll wait and see what actually happens.

Well, if I where you, I wouldn't hold my breath. Things are looking pretty damn bad for Starfailed. And a $30 DLC for 1 planet, judging by the Steam announcement comment section, doesn't look like it's going to help anything at all. As it looks to be like a 10 to 1 'Nope vs yes' respectively (10 nope for every 1 yes).

[Miauzi]

Vor 1 Stunde sagte Wandering_Mania:

Worüber ich gesprochen habe , ist Folgendes: Wenn jemand etwas postet oder berechtigte Kritik am Spiel äußert; Diese Person wird von den „White-Knight-Corporate-Arschküssern“ immer unerbittlich angegriffen, weil sie „hasserfüllt“ ist. Sie verteidigen und beschuldigen blind, obwohl kein Hass ausgesprochen wurde; Nur respektvolle Kritik an etwas, das man hätte besser machen können.

 

 

You can see this everywhere these days... people assume that the critic is only writing such things out of "hatred for the subject"... even going as far as insinuating that you

- either haven't played the game at all

- or have only played it incompletely

- or that the things you claim to have experienced in the game are not relevant at all

 

So you don't even have to deal with the observations or facts that have been put forward... you can simply ignore them.

You then do this until a moderator closes the thread... which is ultimately what such people want - because if you "silence" critics, you have actually won... but what have you won? The game doesn't objectively get any better because of it - but you are no longer disturbed from "outside" in your own fantasy "reality" (the game is great).

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

19 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

But isn't that what the 5 person "modern audience" wants? Their own personal stalkers, following them around, nagging the hell out of them; Just so they can scream out "I'm a victim! I'm a victim!".

 

I don't know where Bethesda got their Starfield "feedback". I've been giving them feedback on their official Bethesda webpage since the launch date, but they sure as hell haven't been listening to me. Did they just make up crap and claimed it was feedback? Was it feedback from their select group of fanboys? No idea, but they sure as hell didn't listen to any of my feedback.

[DocClox]

9 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

What I was talking about is that if/when anyone posts, or has any valid criticisms of the game; That person is always relentlessly attacked for "being hateful" by the 'white knight corp-o ass kissers'. They blindly defend, and accuse, when there was no hate said; Only respectful critique about something that could have been done better.

 

I mean you go around calling the game  "Starfailed" at every opportunity. That doesn't exactly scream out "I want a fair minded and balanced discussion of this game".

 

Nevertheless, you're entitled to your opinion. Obviously.

 

9 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

Well, if I where you, I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

I agree: that's probably not going to work out well. Looking at games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Fallout 76, it takes two or three years for this level of toxicity to die down. I think I'll need oxygen long before we get to that point.

 

I think I'll try playing the game instead, and see where they gets me.

Edited September 19, 2024 by DocClox

[TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft]

3 minutes ago, DocClox said:

I think I'll try playing the game instead, and see where they gets me.

 

Don't get us wrong. We're still playing the game. Some of us are just venting frustrations about gameplay issues that Bethesda will likely refuse to fix. Things that should be fixed, like incomplete dialogue trees, side quests being given to you by guards without any filter, etc. Praying that we don't get a whole line of NPCs giving us quests the moment we land in New Atlantis, like Skyrim AE spams you with quests the second you land in Whiterun. But we're still playing the game. 

[Djlegends]

52 minutes ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

 

Don't get us wrong. We're still playing the game. Some of us are just venting frustrations about gameplay issues that Bethesda will likely refuse to fix. Things that should be fixed, like incomplete dialogue trees, side quests being given to you by guards without any filter, etc. Praying that we don't get a whole line of NPCs giving us quests the moment we land in New Atlantis, like Skyrim AE spams you with quests the second you land in Whiterun. But we're still playing the game. 

and thats perfectly reasonable

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, DocClox said:

I mean you go around calling the game  "Starfailed" at every opportunity. That doesn't exactly scream out "I want a fair minded and balanced discussion of this game".

I call it 'Starfailed', because it did fail.

- It failed to meet expectations.

- It failed to live up to the hype.

- It failed to be fun.

- It failed to be memorable.

- It failed to even be worthy of the delayed release it got.

I speak the truth when I call it such as I do.

So when did speaking the truth become automatically deemed as 'Hateful'?

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. People, even you, seem to be classifying any differing opinion and/or fact, as 'Hate'. When that is far from the truth.

 

3 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

I don't know where Bethesda got their Starfield "feedback".

Oh I have a few ideas of where thy got it. From the GD 'yes men' consultancy firms, that they pay to give them "feedback".

 

They don't listen on Steam. That's a known fact. Because they don't even have an in house, or 3rd party, moderation team; They just default to the standard 'Steam hired' one.

And they don't listen on their own site. As you have stated you've posted there.

So the only logical place they are taking 'feedback' from, is from within their own 'echo chamber'.

[Miauzi]

Vor 23 Minuten sagte Wandering_Mania:

Wann wurde es also automatisch als „hasserfüllt“ angesehen, die Wahrheit zu sagen?

 

 

I can only speak for myself here (my own observations)

Since Mr. Trump's election campaign for his first presidency... his public appearance has obviously found so many imitators - that it has also permanently changed the discussion culture in the Internet's gaming forums!

[DocClox]

58 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

I speak the truth when I call it such as I do.

 

Oh good! Objective truth. Just what every discussion of an inherently subjective medium needs.

 

58 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

So when did speaking the truth become automatically deemed as 'Hateful'?

 

I wouldn't call it "hateful" as such. Just that it's probably not the best approach if what you really want is a calm and nuanced discussion of the game's relative merits.

 

It's like all the kiddies that used to think they were changing the world by spelling "Micro$oft" with a dollar sign. It didn't have any noticeable positive impact, but it did spark a huge number of pointless arguments.

 

58 minutes ago, Wandering_Mania said:

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. People, even you, seem to be classifying any differing opinion and/or fact, as 'Hate'. When that is far from the truth.

 

All I tried to do was agree with you that Bethesda sometimes display some odd attitudes towards their players, as reflected in the game's dialogue.

 

2 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

We're still playing the game. Some of us are just venting frustrations about gameplay issues that Bethesda will likely refuse to fix

 

Fair. It's a Bethesda game. There's going to be a boatload of minor bugs, and most of them aren't going to be fixed by Bethesda. I guess I've just got used to working around them from earlier games.

 

2 hours ago, TheRightDoorIsNotTheLeft said:

Praying that we don't get a whole line of NPCs giving us quests the moment we land in New Atlantis, like Skyrim AE spams you with quests the second you land in Whiterun

 

Actually, I don't think AE did that too badly. OK, we all got sick and tired of reading "it's all in this note", but it wasn't like Oblivion or Fallout 3 where the "step out" moment gets drowned in popup spam about various DLC demanding your attention.

 

I thought they did it quite well in Dawnguard and Dragonborn though. Durak turning up around level 10 and the Cultists after you get back from High Hrothgar - that fitted into the game more or less organically. We could do with a bit more of that and a bit less of "Inevitable".

Edited September 19, 2024 by DocClox

[Miauzi]

Vor 26 Minuten sagte DocClox:

 

Gerecht. Es ist ein Bethesda-Spiel. Es wird eine Menge kleinerer Fehler geben, und die meisten davon werden von Bethesda nicht behoben. Ich glaube, ich habe mich einfach aus früheren Spielen daran gewöhnt, sie zu umgehen.

 

 

 

"small errors" ... well, that's probably purely subjective - because for a player who has geared his gameplay towards the much-advertised "exploration" - things like "2D oceans" are not "small errors" but "game destroyers" - because you actually can't complete the explorer quests!

 

These are only "small errors" if you have geared your gameplay exclusively towards shooting orgies ... which, according to the advertising trailers, is only a very small part of the announced gameplay.

[brown66]

14 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

I call it 'Starfailed', because it did fail.

- It failed to meet expectations.

- It failed to live up to the hype.

- It failed to be fun.

- It failed to be memorable.

- It failed to even be worthy of the delayed release it got.

I speak the truth when I call it such as I do.

So when did speaking the truth become automatically deemed as 'Hateful'?

And that's exactly what I'm talking about. People, even you, seem to be classifying any differing opinion and/or fact, as 'Hate'. When that is far from the truth.

 

Oh I have a few ideas of where thy got it. From the GD 'yes men' consultancy firms, that they pay to give them "feedback".

 

They don't listen on Steam. That's a known fact. Because they don't even have an in house, or 3rd party, moderation team; They just default to the standard 'Steam hired' one.

And they don't listen on their own site. As you have stated you've posted there.

So the only logical place they are taking 'feedback' from, is from within their own 'echo chamber'.

 

I'm not about to waste much more time on these types of discussions, but I still don't understand.

 

If Sarfield is Sartfailed, why do you keep wasting time playing and especially commenting on this game? Forget this game and move on to another. That's what I think is the normal thing to do.

[Wandering_Mania]

1 hour ago, brown66 said:

If Sarfield is Sartfailed, why do you keep wasting time playing and especially commenting on this game? Forget this game and move on to another. That's what I think is the normal thing to do.

I'm playing it right now, because I'm bored as shit, and I'm trying to get one of those 10 'unique lodge' instances to pop up. I've never seen one for myself. And BGS making them only a 15% fucking chance to pop is just stupid. Yes, I know there are mods that increase the chance. But with the lack of updates for each patch for those mods; Who knows if they even still work.

 

So call me a 'glutton for punishment', if you want. But Starfailed still failed. And many, many people can see the same; Even if you don't agree.

 

"Like it or not, believe it or not as you will. Your perceptions of reality do not change things; They merely color them." ~ Dr. Edward Rovas ~ The opening of 'Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem'

[nIn nIn nIn]

Starfield MET my expectations

It lived up to the hype for me

It IS hugely fun

Memorable ? wtf is that supposed to be? It's a year since release, in 10 years everyone will be playing and modding it still. ie it WILL be memorable.

It remains the LEAST buggy and broken game BGS has ever released. That is objectively true.

 

Your truth is literally and merely your personal OPINION.

 

When you equate your opinion to be objective truth, you earn the hater label. It's what you made yourself. Own it.

 

Everyone can have their own opinion. If you spoke in terms of opinion you would get no push back.

[Djlegends]

8 hours ago, Wandering_Mania said:

I'm playing it right now, because I'm bored as shit, and I'm trying to get one of those 10 'unique lodge' instances to pop up. I've never seen one for myself. And BGS making them only a 15% fucking chance to pop is just stupid. Yes, I know there are mods that increase the chance. But with the lack of updates for each patch for those mods; Who knows if they even still work.

 

So call me a 'glutton for punishment', if you want. But Starfailed still failed. And many, many people can see the same; Even if you don't agree.

 

"Like it or not, believe it or not as you will. Your perceptions of reality do not change things; They merely color them." ~ Dr. Edward Rovas ~ The opening of 'Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem'

just grab the mod made by SKK it just works lmfao

[Djlegends]

we literally have this
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/7055
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/9273

[nIn nIn nIn]

This one works perfectly. Choose your NG+ every time.

 

Choose Your Variant Universe at Starfield Nexus - Mods and Community (nexusmods.com)

[Mr. Otaku]

Me visiting LL once or twice a month to see the same 5-7 users bitching about Starfield instead of playing something they enjoy

 

I mean damn man, i've complained about this game plenty of times myself but you can really tell who got something constructive to say and who has way too much free time and no idea what they're talking about lmao.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Mr. Otaku
Ninja Edit

[Wandering_Mania]

3 hours ago, nIn nIn nIn said:

Your truth is literally and merely your personal OPINION.

Well, when you equate fact to being my 'opinion'; You result in doing nothing more than 'White Knight blind defending' BGS.

You are a minority when it comes down too it.

Spoiler

 

Sure that vid is an hour+ long. But if you actually sit down and watch the whole thing. You might learn something. Open your mind. Let loose of your echo chamber.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Otaku said:

I mean damn man, i've complained about this game plenty of times myself but you can really tell who got something constructive to say and who has way too much free time and no idea what they're talking about lmao.

I admit I have too much free time. But I also damn well know what I'm talking about.

And as to your other comment:

As I said I'm bored as shit. And no, I really don't have anything else to play. I kinda played out all the other games I have, because I played 'em too much. Sure I could spend some money on a 'Crap shoot', and get a new game; But at least I'm trying to 'find the fun' in Starfailed. I have 400+ hours in Starfailed now, so if I don't know what I'm talking about after all that time... Tell me how many people have withstood that amount of punishment.