Loverslab legal in the UK?

[DrN]

Hi guys.I may move soon to the UK for work,and I have been hearing a lot about UK banning/making illegal sites with adult material.I would like to know what is the status for sites like LL,or Hongfire,and the Chinese/Japanese sites for adult modding

(which sometimes depict toons looking like teens...or younger...)

Since I will work in a "sensitive" position,the last thing I would wish for is trouble in a foreign country.

I dont know how true is the rumour that authorities there spy on anything,so if anyone from the UK,or if ever worked there could inform me on this matter,it would be great,and possibly save me from any trouble.

Thanks in advance.

[Ark of Truth]

I have been asking myself the same question and I live in the UK.

 

As far as I know it only bans fake rape porn and places a filter on adult sites through your ISP. You have to choose if you want the filter enabled or not. As far as I know.

 

It is unclear about how this is going to effect gaming and filming industry in the future though. After all Game of Thrones has sex and rape scenes in it.

 

As far as I know LoversLab is not registered as an adult material site by default so it will most likely be OK, until someone reports it.

 

 

To be honest it still has to be passed so I wouldn't worry about it until it turns up which is supposed to be sometime next year. Nothing a proxy can't most likely cure anyway

[Captain Cobra]

Once the bill passes, Yes.

[Ark of Truth]

If it passes, hopefully it won't.

 

But then again, all the news points to saying it has passed.

 

Even if it passes LL is not classed as a adult material site.

[ChancellorKremlin]

It doesn't "ban" it per se, it simply makes it "illegal to access". That's not to say they'll curtail access to that material, only that you'll be prosecuted if found to be in possession of such material.

 

Case in point: "bestiality porn" is illegal to view in the UK, but the authorities have taken no visible measures to block access to sites that distribute them. 

 

Conversely and somewhat ironically, it's not illegal to access The Pirate Bay or LetMeWatchThis, yet those sites are blocked. A wonderful system filled to the brim with hypocrisy. 

[DrN]

thank you guys.I can only hope that LL will survive the storm.

[Odessa]

The legal systems of most 'western' countries are based on precedent, so its not clear what a law means before a judge actually rules on it, but then it is fairly set- changing precedents is a big event.

 

I think existing UK precedent probably defines 'porn' to be 'exclusively sexual content', whereas tv series count as drama with sexual elements. LL mods are gameplay with sexual elements. Seems like same precedent.

 

You can try that as a defence

[Lozeak]

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/

 

Basically it covers everything but under age content which I'm sure is illegal whatever means you view it (which imo it should be)

 

Outside of that all extreme stuff ( 'acts which threaten a person's life; acts which result in or are likely to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals; bestiality; or necrophilia.' ) need to be classified as explicit and realistic to be illegal.

 

Considering the elder scrolls are fantasy games, it would easily to say it's not realist or 'representing things in a way that is accurate and true to life' so basically it's not illegal as far as I can tell. Of  course, without a precedent it's hard to say but I'm thinking it would be hard to get a conviction considering how unrealistic it is.

 

Edit : New laws seem to be, the ISP blocking porn by default and classifying ownership as viewing on a computer rather than downloading seem to be it. Though, until they are published we can't know.

 

Which imo is the main reason they are doing this because I'm sure big media companies have been pressuring a change like that for a while since watching stream of movie or w/e is legal since it's never downloaded and this new bill will be used to control copyrights or maybe I'm just being paranoid.

[Lexi SubZero]

I guess it's time for the UK Pirate Party to rise up..

[RitualClarity]

Hi guys.I may move soon to the UK for work,and I have been hearing a lot about UK banning/making illegal sites with adult material.I would like to know what is the status for sites like LL,or Hongfire,and the Chinese/Japanese sites for adult modding

(which sometimes depict toons looking like teens...or younger...)

Since I will work in a "sensitive" position,the last thing I would wish for is trouble in a foreign country.

I dont know how true is the rumour that authorities there spy on anything,so if anyone from the UK,or if ever worked there could inform me on this matter,it would be great,and possibly save me from any trouble.

Thanks in advance.

 

If the government isn't going after these sites they you would be safe or at reasonably safe accessing them, however if you "sensitive" position is such that any negative actions on your part personally or professionally can cause you great troubles I wouldn't continue using the sites while you are there under their employ. If some info is given or found during an investigation, like into who is where and doing what and they find your ip address or such then it might get back to whomever is your boss.

 

I cannot access this site from where I work and other locations because of the sensitive nature of the work I normally do there or it is on someone else computer and I respect them to not use their computer or internet in that manner in case someone checks them. I access this site from only one internet source when I am able because of that. If that source gives me trouble or prohibits it I will have to stop all together. It wouldn't be so bad with some nookie game porn but there is also bestiality here as well. Most places frown on any reference or even concepts of this.

 

I lurked here for quite some time before joining because of the nature of the materials here on this site. So if the nature of your work and this site combination makes for a very bad situation you need to choose one or the other. Many employers and such investigate your personal history such as Facebook and Myspace and other "social" organizations that you might be involved in. Even in the USA it isn't very hard to find out someone's past history. In other countries which have less personal protections it would be easier. If you are working for a gov job forget about it. If it is sensitive they know what you had for lunch 3 years ago.

 

[Ark of Truth]

Only one problem ritual, you wouldn't even be allowed to access adult type sites from your own home. Anything to do with fantasy rape will get you in trouble with the law.

 

Your ISP would be tracking everything. It may end up being that all UK users may lose the ability to access LL in the future due to the mods on here which allow the ability to rape a NPC in games.

[RitualClarity]

There are ways around accessing things that you aren't allowed to access from home. However that alone is enough reason not to be accessing the sites that are blocked or illegal. Not for games.

 

There is another thing to consider. How much are they going to enforce it? Are they going to chase down game files as well? Sure actual videos representing violent attacks to people that are against the law should be tracked and those brought to justice. However sites like this one might not even be considered "illegal" because it is "fanasty". Also the gov officials might actually use sites where there is "grey" materials to try to find individuals that are actually involved in real materials. Let sites like this do some of the work for them.

 

In my location if someone was arrested for actual acts that are illegal along the lines of the mods here the authorities would use this site to nail the lid shut on your coffin. If your employer depending on who they might be found out you accessed this material might make life hard for you or terminate your employment depending on the level and position of your job. Currently I doubt that anyone would convict you of crimes solely off of the materials on this site.

 

There are dozens of laws that can get you arrested here that aren't enforced at all. In the end it is what the courts decide to do with the law that will determine what level of caution is required. If they pass some laws here and start to enforce them for Games. Bye Bye LL. It wouldn't be worth the trouble.

[Gooberish1]

I think it may boil down to tagging, for example, rape as a tagg would almost definetly be filtered out as illegal, however, porn in its self and sex are not illegal so tagging as aggresive sex or as one mod author names his mod, "agressive prostitution" may prove passable taggs, although i am not sure about the word prostitution, being that prostitution is also illegal here in the UK, maybe substituting that for the legal version which is "escort" haha.

 

How ever, my take on the whole thing is that, prostitution is a fact of life in every society i know of and in war, "rape plunder and pillage" were the driving words for thousands of years, so to me, incluiding such things (Not forgetting slavery) is simply reflecting reality through history.

 

"To forget history and or hide it, is to learn nothing from it and be doomed to repeat the same mistakes, having nither solved nor learned anything in the process".

[Emily]

As legal as in china.

 

......

 

Seriously it works when emily was on hunan and hongkong.

The forum are not 'harmonized' by the government there.

[Guest]

I had no idea that the UK had such restrictions. How interesting.

[Ark of Truth]

I had no idea that the UK had such restrictions. How interesting.

 

Technically it doesn't, not Jan until next year.

[D_ManXX2]

Uk politicians are just a bunch of hypocrites. First they blamed US for those of NSA and later when more where revealed we found out that what they where doing is 1000 times worse then the NSA did.

 

If they where really that worried why has no one even considered prosecuting any of those high officials of the NSA ??

 

British intelligence agency are far worse then NSA currently, and from what i see the populations are far from free of being democracy rather a hypocrisy.

 

MI6 and MI7 and the others are what people rally need to be afraid off.

 

NSA was bad but there is even worse out there. And right now they are bigger danger for any one privacy except there own.

[Vioxsis]

MI7 was made defunct, but when it was operational it worked in propaganda and censorship....

[UrbiOrbi]

It doesn't "ban" it per se, it simply makes it "illegal to access". That's not to say they'll curtail access to that material, only that you'll be prosecuted if found to be in possession of such material.

 

Case in point: "bestiality porn" is illegal to view in the UK, but the authorities have taken no visible measures to block access to sites that distribute them. 

 

Conversely and somewhat ironically, it's not illegal to access The Pirate Bay or LetMeWatchThis, yet those sites are blocked. A wonderful system filled to the brim with hypocrisy. 

 

Probably just a question of numbers, asume maybe 100/200 connection per day from UK it does not worth the "legals" effort and expence, on the other hand pirate bay was counting more connection so greater impact.

Take it like the speed limit it is illegal to go faster but nothing prevent you to do it until you meet some officer.

 

[Gooberish1]

 Here is a link to the official news on the subject, rather than give you speculation, i think it better that you read for your self. That said let me quote one thing "Most households in the UK will have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron has announced.".   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

 

As for Britain spying online, according to the latyest google report, Britain tops the table for internet spying.

[Nite_Star]

 Here is a link to the official news on the subject, rather than give you speculation, i think it better that you read for your self. That said let me quote one thing "Most households in the UK will have pornography blocked by their internet provider unless they choose to receive it, David Cameron has announced.".   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076

 

As for Britain spying online, according to the latyest google report, Britain tops the table for internet spying.

David Cameron is the biggest ****** in this Great Country...

 

Mr Cameron also called for warning pages to pop up with helpline numbers when people try to search for illegal content. Warning pages with helpline numbers, lol I know what i'm looking for why offer me numbers so I can ring and get a slapper on the end making out she is gobberling the mic...I understand kiddie sites, but Cameron just cause you ain't getting none or allowed to look at adult porn, don't stop the rest of us...

[Claynation01]

I live in the UK this is the first i have heard of it currently theres no problems viewing LL at the moment, i can understand some of the things he wants banned like the underage stuff thats fine, i dont know why any normal person would be wanting that anyway its Disgusting and just Wrong! but viewing regular porn/Adult content and the like he should just keep his nose out of it 

Dont like it dont watch it.

 

Peace

[Baron Samedi]

I live in the UK as well. Now the law I think your referring to was the one announced last year (correct me if I am wrong?) Which would/will/has made pornography and other abusive material (such as suicide, alcohol and violence-related content) filtered by default. Unless the household chooses  to revive it.

 

So when you move to the UK and set up with any of our ISP's (I'd strongly recommend you against SKY) you should get a welcome screen/setup screen. Just select no filtering and you should be alright.

[Guest]

Jesus, that is awfull, good thing my country doesnt give a single shit about piracy or any other filtering.

I dont understand tho, why the fuck does britain care what people watch in their spare time? I mean, if its porn, then jesus christ, watch it if you want or dont, I understand the child pronography or like an actual rape video, etc, but not any of those vids that are staged. If they want to ban fake violence in porn, then why is it alright to fake violence in movies? Both are movie industries.

[Someone92]

What I find most disturbing is that they are openly admitting that the porn filter is just to test the functionality of said filter and that they eventually want to use this filter for other content.

 

Now remember that's coming from the government of the same country whose secret service (jocularly) threatened the Guardian to send a few combat helicopters towards them if they don't destroy their HDDs containing data about the Prism/Tempora scandal.