Armor requests and You

[Duoleb The Chosen]

its been a while that im here but really....i'll be nasty in this one and i really need to say that, because... its enough, im a nice and quiet guy here but

 

its me or every request for a quick fix, for a conversion or even a mod here is forgotten after a few days, a lot of people sees the thread buy they dont simply give a flying fuck if the request itself ins't asking for a skimpy and pornographic armor.

 

i know that some people even some of our new users doesn't even try or tried(like me) to convert or fix with the certain mod with their hands because they suck a lot with 3d modeling or because they don't know how to use the program itself, even with videos showing that, its still greek for them, and in the end they will quit and stop playing this game because they felt that no one at least gave a single shit for him...

 

i mean, ins't hard at least for a modder in his free time to do at least 1 or 2 requests per week instead of keeping the Non-Adult area full of requests without a simple interest or answer, atleast something like no dood i can't create this armor and etc... or i'll do your request in time?, because even the thread itself its a abandoned and the only people last month who attended a request there was vioxis

 

 

so im asking to everyone here, and even ashal, can we please create a weekly conversion thread or even a system for those requests, not the most complicated ones but at least those simple like oblivion to skyrim, randomshooter X to fallout and etc to make the newbies happy and bring more people to this place??

[GrimReaper]

I have no idea what you are ranting about, but this little part got my attention:

 

i know that some people even some of our new users doesn't even try or tried(like me) to convert or fix with the certain mod with their hands because they suck a lot with 3d modeling or because they don't know how to use the program itself, even with videos showing that, its still greek for them, and in the end they will quit and stop playing this game because they felt that no one at least gave a single shit for him...

 

That's not true. With patience and dedication you can learn how to edit armors in 3DS Max or Blender yourself. If you are impatient and just want results, you won't get anywhere. Every modder here or elsewhere started where you are now, with zero knowledge. It's not something you are born with, you simply need to learn how to do it. It's not enough to just watch some tutorials and then expect you know everything there is to know. You need practice and patience. That's all there is to it.

 

If you really want something done, you have to do it yourself. If you don't want to put some effort in getting what you want but in return expect someone else to learn all this stuff so he/she can fulfill your wishes you're gonna have a bad time.

[Girl]

I read this thread and would like to offer some input on it. Each point has basically been addressed with the original comment in color, and the response after.

 

"its me or every request for a quick fix, for a conversion or even a mod here is forgotten after a few days, a lot of people sees the thread buy they dont simply give a flying fuck if the request itself ins't asking for a skimpy and pornographic armor."

 

A: I don't believe this necessarily means that no-one may care about the request. There could be a lot of factors behind this, such as a person may not have the free time at that point. Or you may have people around who have the same interest as you, but don't have the time or ability to complete it.

 

There's also that some people are simply not interested in the same thing. This goes for not only here, but in life in general.

 

 

"i know that some people even some of our new users doesn't even try or tried(like me) to convert or fix with the certain mod with their hands because they suck a lot with 3d modeling or because they don't know how to use the program itself, even with videos showing that, its still greek for them, and in the end they will quit and stop playing this game because they felt that no one at least gave a single shit for him..."

 

 

Never say never, and never doubt yourself. Coming from myself, I've struggled with low confidence in myself through my life in high school and before. I didn't do bad by any means, but I always knew I could do better, and there were some things I doubted in myself that if had more confidence in myself I could do them.

 

Anything that is worth something is worth fighting for. Meaning anything that you truly want, or that you want to improve in is something that you just have to go after. I've done that enough in my life to hold back, don't hold back and just strive for it. Of course modeling, sculpting, or rigging is hard, it's something unknown. Anything you haven't seen before will appear complex and intimidating. However, like in anything else the more you keep at it, the more you can do it. Never sell yourself short, and don't down yourself like that. Put your head into it, ask questions, and keep trying. Quitting will never solve anything, but if you keep trying, I'm sure you'll get it.

 

I'm learning modding myself and of course it makes me want to bang my head on my desk. I'm not going to quit though, because I want to learn it, and I want to create things like Zerofrost and other great modders.

 

 

"i mean, ins't hard at least for a modder in his free time to do at least 1 or 2 requests per week instead of keeping the Non-Adult area full of requests without a simple interest or answer, atleast something like no dood i can't create this armor and etc... or i'll do your request in time?, because even the thread itself its a abandoned and the only people last month who attended a request there was vioxis"

 

You must understand that any other human being has a set amount of free time like yourself. Some have little to no free time, and some have a lot of it. People like to spend that free time on things that they enjoy doing. Ask yourself, when you have free time, what do you like doing with it?

 

Remember that people tend to prefer completing things that they like themselves, that's what makes us strive. If they're not interested, then at that point that's where you say, "I want to see this done, and I'm going to put my time into doing it".

 

 

"so im asking to everyone here, and even ashal, can we please create a weekly conversion thread or even a system for those requests, not the most complicated ones but at least those simple like oblivion to skyrim, randomshooter X to fallout and etc to make the newbies happy and bring more people to this place??"

 

To be honest, there is a miniscule likely of this happening, and it probably will not change much. Converting a mod from another game to another is also not the simplest of tasks. It tends to be more time consuming than converting something in the same game.

 

Modders really deserve a lot of appreciation for what they done around here, and all of the other websites. I don't it would ever be fair to make it as a job for someone.

 

 

[Ark of Truth]

 

i mean, ins't hard at least for a modder in his free time to do at least 1 or 2 requests per week instead of keeping the Non-Adult area full of requests without a simple interest or answer, atleast something like no dood i can't create this armor and etc... or i'll do your request in time?, because even the thread itself its a abandoned and the only people last month who attended a request there was vioxis

 

All I read in the OP was ungratefulness..............

 

It's people like you that made me to modding in the first place and go to private work for friends. As it is I only have 1 mod active and currently taking my time on it.

[Duoleb The Chosen]

 

 

i mean, ins't hard at least for a modder in his free time to do at least 1 or 2 requests per week instead of keeping the Non-Adult area full of requests without a simple interest or answer, atleast something like no dood i can't create this armor and etc... or i'll do your request in time?, because even the thread itself its a abandoned and the only people last month who attended a request there was vioxis

 

All I read in the OP was ungratefulness..............

 

It's people like you that made me to modding in the first place and go to private work for friends. As it is I only have 1 mod active and currently taking my time on it.

 

 

well i don't know the rules of the elder scrolls or fallout modding, so i dont give 2  fucks about that, im just simply a annoying enthusiast who loves the lore

[Kaz Aanh]

In the free time i preffer to learn rigging/modelling by myself. Who knows maybe in the future I'll start making my items from scrap.

Also bringing something self-crafted to the community would make me more than happy.

 

Just be patient and respect modders wish.

[Ark of Truth]

If you don't like how things are done you have 3 options.

 

1. Learn and do it yourself.

2. Wait and see if it gets done.

3. My personal fav, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

 

We modders will do what we want modding wise when we want to do it. Maybe before you come in here wanting stuff you should first take the time to learn and do it yourself.

 

As for rules, 1st rule: Read the community rules K Thx Bye!

[Kendo 2]

To the OP:

Modding is a lot more involved than you might think.  Getting ANYTHING into Skyrim is a pain in the ass and not worth the time.  Rips from any game to another?  Same deal.  It's really gotta be worth it and I doubt any 'request' will get it done by someone else.  LEARN TO MOD is my best advice.

[Zquad1]

 I can honestly say I am Now a Modder (thanks to the help of some really great people).... I'm Not very good at it right now But I am learning.

 

I have been able to convert armors But I am lacking the know how in one area, & that prevents me from releasing anything, But I am trying to convert those armors that tend to get ignored, & ones that I myself like. Someday I hope to be good enough to accept requests, but for now I can only convert for myself, I say for myself because I am personally ok with the imperfections in my conversions,

 

I will honestly say these modders here are doing their very best, Please give them the credit that is long overdue...  & if that's not good enough, then go... create something yourself, it's not easy by any means, but with strong determination, you can do it... BELIEVE me you CAN!!! as long as you have faith in yourself, Don't give up because of a road block you just got to find another way around.

 

I run into issues with my mods everyday I work on them so I ask lots of questions, & if you ask the right person & you are nice enough to them perhaps they might even help you along the way.

 

I have Never asked anyone to make me anything, especially when I know I am totally capable of doing it myself.

& now I can truly say... I CAN!!!...... & you CAN too!!!

 

 

[jbezorg]

so im asking to everyone here, and even ashal, can we please create a weekly conversion thread or even a system for those requests, not the most complicated ones but at least those simple like oblivion to skyrim, randomshooter X to fallout and etc to make the newbies happy and bring more people to this place??

Your request is number 13,772,631,243.

 

Your number will be called when your request is ready for pick-up. Further inquiries will move your request to the end of the queue. Have a nice day.

 

Now serving number 0.

[Demonhunter]

Im Soooooo gonna pass on this. No modders are not uninterested in creating and or converting armors for you or others. but we as modders are NOT in any way obligated to convert make pull out of our arse anything. WE do this stuff in our free time. as someone else said. Dont like what mods are on an adult site. Cya

OR

Learn to do it like every other person  ends up doing

[SandsOfTime404]

 

 

well i don't know the rules of the elder scrolls or fallout modding, so i dont give 2  fucks about that, im just simply a annoying enthusiast who loves the lore

Spot-on there.  If you want these things badly enough, you'll learn to do it yourself.  There's plenty I'd like to see modded for this game, and most of it has yet to be done or isn't exactly to my tastes.  That's my problem though, not the modders'.  If I want something tailored to my tastes, I'll learn to make it myself.  Complaining about people with the knowledge/experience not doing what you want isn't going to get you anywhere.  In fact, I'm almost positive people will be even less inclined to try their hand at some of your ideas if they think they're just going to have someone whine about how the work they've done isn't what was wanted.

 

Take some of you free time every day and dedicate it towards learning how to do these things on your own.  It's a skill I know I'd love to learn, and with the knowledge you pick up coupled with some practice you'll be able to create exactly what you want the way you want it.

[Jexsam]

While I agree that "lrn 2 mod fagt" is the first and best solution to OP's problem, I find the prevailing attitude of some folks here to be a bit... disheartening. Some folks could stand to be a little more open to taking the occasional odd request, either as practice or simply for the betterment of the community.

[GrimReaper]

While I agree that "lrn 2 mod fagt" is the first and best solution to OP's problem, I find the prevailing attitude of some folks here to be a bit... disheartening. Some folks could stand to be a little more open to taking the occasional odd request, either as practice or simply for the betterment of the community.

 

Requests are fulfilled all the time but there are more people demanding conversions than there are people who are able to provide said conversions. There are few people here who are able and willing to do what most people want and most wouldn't want to convert stuff they don't like or won't use for themselves.

 

Would you be willing to convert armors to the CBBE body? It's mostly the attitude, though. There are many crybabies who want all the things they desire brought to them on a silver plate. Learning how to use blender or 3DS Max? But Moooooooooom, that's soooo difficult, it takes time and practice but I want it now! Can't you do it for me while I am being lazy over here?

[Seren]

Eh, I guess I can understand where you're coming from. Even though I can convert stuff there are still outfits that I'd like to see converted. I don't have the time for it, so sometimes I'm like "I wish someone else would do it already."

 

i mean, ins't hard at least for a modder in his free time to do at least 1 or 2 requests per week instead of keeping the Non-Adult area full of requests without a simple interest or answer, atleast something like no dood i can't create this armor and etc... or i'll do your request in time?, because even the thread itself its a abandoned and the only people last month who attended a request there was vioxis

 

However that piece of your post makes it seem like you think modders belong to the collective property of a community. Kinda odd... Modders are people, y'know. 1 or 2 requests a week, because you can convert you should do it? How about no? Converting can be cumbersome and if it's not something you'd like to use it's all the more cumbersome.

 

If you have the slightest interest in discovering how to convert meshes, I can highly recommend Nightasy's video tutorials. I believe you can properly convert things after watching 13 videos. Otherwise maybe directly contacting someone you know can convert things and has more or less the same taste in outfits+body as you do is probably going to be more beneficial than ranting in a topic here.

[Kendo 2]

Thanks for the link. 

[Seren]

You're welcome.

[Guest]

as for converting, if ure plan to convert other peeps stuff u need perm for that, if ure converting pubicly other game stuff u need perm and above all, try to get a written perm from one if its developers that says its ok, and also u cant gain any profit on it.

 

always leave credit for it orginal devs.

 

but simple process converting, is using morph , or just move vertices around, dont add or delete any during proces in the 3d program ure using. u need to fir the shape u want to conform to the shape you want to conform to.

 

if u export as object dont tick in extra normals or vertex, there alot of this going on in niftools or google forum if u pook around abit. or as seren says natasy

 

 

 

 

[idonotlikeusernames]

Problem is 3d modeling is dominated by the expensive 3dsmax and the needlessly complicated blender and 3dsmax itself runs on positively antiquated autodesk software.

So until autodesk either innovates on its own accord or gets some serious commercial competition 3d modeling unfortunately isn't going to get any easier or more user friendly.

Autodesk is IMHO a bad example of how current laws promote monopolies and how monopolies stifle progress and innovation. Sadly it's not something individuals, modders or not can easily address except perhaps by giving their congresspeople or M(E)P's the proverbial kick in the butt.

[GrimReaper]

You can get 3DS Max for free (student version). So no, it ain't expensive. As for blender, it doesn't really work with Skyrim yet, unless you are willing to do some tiresome workarounds to get the meshes imported and exported. The team making the nifscripts for blender are sure taking their time to get it done.

 

And that's the reason why I haven't done anything myself in Skyrim. I learned to use blender and I am not willing to go through the whole process of learning how to use a modelling program again and I sure as heck don't want to use those time consuming workarounds, so I patiently wait for the nifscripts to be updated. Not that I can do much in blender, but I can easily convert one armor to another body, that's one of the reasons I started learning blender in the first place.

[idonotlikeusernames]

^3dsmax is antiquated however and I consider that lack of innovation coupled with the aforementioned monopolistic practices unnaceptable for a major company.

If I am going to invest my time in learning anything it would be Blender since I really have no love for Autodesk, however if what you say is true that would apparently be a wasted effort at this stage.

 

Like I said before however I really hope that autodesk either develop and release the next generation of 3d tools sometime soon or preferably that a credible corporate backed third party alternative arises that will hopefully push 3d modelling to the next gen and drive prices down.

 

Converting armors is also what i would want to learn modelling for more specifically to convert some of Nivea's male conversions for Oblivion and maybe some of Slof's older works too to Skyrim. wether I could obtain permission from said modders to release them publically should I succeed is quite another matter however but no modder can stop me from tampering with their creations for my personal enjoyment.

[Guest Mogie56]

Well over 100,000,000 mods for skyrim on the net are not enough? and your limited to a certain amount in-game at any point and time. have you taken the time to look through all mods and found nothing you wanted or that certain mod wasn't already converted?

there are mod sites in every point on a compass. by doing a bit of searching and reading I've found mods I didn't even know existed. I have dozens of DVD's full of mods I liked at one time but most of them I don't use anymore (unfortunately they won't all work at the same time). For as many conversion requests that get asked those conversions will only be used for a short while and go by the way side more sooner then later, and that is unfortunate but true. So the willingness to convert is left to what modders themselves like or see potential in. There are more then enough mods just on Loverslab. I actually detest going anywhere else for mods because these are of interest to the community not just one person. If you can't find what you want here, there is always other sites. This is a modding and gaming community, not a catering service.     

[idonotlikeusernames]

No need to get snippy I didn't actually request anything if and when the nifscripts for blender come in I'm probably going to invest some time in at least trying to learn how to do it myself.

Also you can merge armour mods to an almost unlimited degree so in that regard at least we are not really limited.

Furthermore the rate of interesting and sexy armour mods for females versus males is around 20 to 1. Since I like sexy armour mods for male characters I've long ago come to the conclusion that to accomplish anything I'm going to have to learn to do it myself starting with relatively simple conversions. It's just a matter of finding a 3d program I actually like that is compatible with Skyrim (Blender is better than 3dsmax in that regard though far from what I'd actually hoped for) getting of my ass and trying to learn it.

 

Re: 3dsmax. I'm not a student anymore so I technically can't get it for free. Now I realize that the chance that Autodesk is actually going to check that is quite low and the possibility that they would then choose to single me out for a lawsuit to make an example of me is even lower, But since I have statistically bad luck when it comes to the legal system so I'm not going to risk it.

[Arizona_Steve]

Yeah, armor. I've spent weeks messing around with Blender and NifTools and was only ever able to get something in-game that was invisible or which caused an immediate crash to desktop. I waited in hope that the NifTools team would light a blowtorch under their collective butts and actually get something out there that was usable. The game has been out two years now and... nothing.

 

I'll stick to scripting for now. The "Skyrim needs more mini-skirts" mod will have to wait...

[GrimReaper]

 

No need to get snippy I didn't actually request anything if and when the nifscripts for blender come in I'm probably going to invest some time in at least trying to learn how to do it myself.

Also you can merge armour mods to an almost unlimited degree so in that regard at least we are not really limited.

Furthermore the rate of interesting and sexy armour mods for females versus males is around 20 to 1. Since I like sexy armour mods for male characters I've long ago come to the conclusion that to accomplish anything I'm going to have to learn to do it myself starting with relatively simple conversions. It's just a matter of finding a 3d program I actually like that is compatible with Skyrim (Blender is better than 3dsmax in that regard though far from what I'd actually hoped for) getting of my ass and trying to learn it.

 

Re: 3dsmax. I'm not a student anymore so I technically can't get it for free. Now I realize that the chance that Autodesk is actually going to check that is quite low and the possibility that they would then choose to single me out for a lawsuit to make an example of me is even lower, But since I have statistically bad luck when it comes to the legal system so I'm not going to risk it.

 

 

Tbh the only thing you can't do is to make profit with the student version. I am pretty sure autodesk knows that most folks downloading the student version are either not students at all or they are students but don't study anything related to 3d modelling. I am not sure how this whole copyright thing works but they just can't give it for free for no reason or they risk losing their rights - or something like that. So they take the educational route. By enabling people to download the student version they make it possible for most of us to just get 3DS Max to fool around with and not having to pay huge amounts of money just for that. After all, autodesk makes most of the money from developers who license their stuff. And that's all that there is to it, if you make money with 3DS Max, you have to pay. If you don't autodesk doesn't care.

 

The problem with blender is that for many game engines you need import and export scripts so that blender can actually read the information stored inside the mesh. I would guess that 3DS Max is more widely used by developers all around the world and therefore much more compatible 'out of the box' than blender. Don't really know if that's the case for sure, though. In a way it would be better to learn 3DS Max instead of blender and I am not sure I can avoid that if I ever want to mod another Bethesda game again. The nifscript team just works too slow to be relevant - this is not meant as an offense, they are doing this in their free time and I don't know how much of a bitch blender is when you want it to support an unknown engine, it's just a fact, nothing more. Skyrim came out 2 years ago and they were not able to release the new nifscripts until now. Somehow I am pretty sure that Fallout 4 will hit the shelves before blender will work with Skyrim. And if that happens blender will lose any relevance it may still have now.