Do user's even know???

[Lagoon0654]

Yeah.

But what always get's me is, I'll randomly get private messages from unknowns, asking me if I could modify someone else' work.

 

 

One time I did accept the persons request; I enlarged a unp body texture from 2096x to 90096x, reduced it to 96x, then scaled it back to 2096x.

Oh boy was he pissed.

 

 

 

Anyway back to the topic, yeah I do.  A lot of people under estimate the work and time that's put into mods, large or small.

[uknleo]

In my list of 100 or so favourite mods there is some absolutely incredible stuff. My Skyrim is improved 1000% by those mods making it the best game I have ever owned or played by a country mile.

 

I only bought my first pc last summer. As a complete tech retard it has been a useful learning and confidence building exercise installing and managing my mods. We are all at different levels in that regard.

 

It has upset me to see on the Nexus some brilliant, imaginative, game enhancing mods - with say 10,000 downloads, and only 150 endorsements. There seems to be a general lack of gratitude and understanding towards the modders, extending right up to the game developers themselves.

 

Gamers are not widely known for their superb social skills, I think that needs to be taken into account at all times. If I was capable of modding (which I am gradually building towards) I think I would not expect very much gratitude or positive feeback from my users. I would see this as par for the course and not take it in any way personally.

 

I would suggest that we are really here talking about a deeper malaise in wider society but I don't want to write a book on it so I will leave it there.

 

Just remember that out there are potentially thousands upon thousands of users using your mods, all of you modders here, and absolutely having the gaming time of their lives with them. This is no small matter, my wish would be that all of you are picked up, utilised and remunerated accordingly by the video game industry at some point if that is what you desired. If I had the money I would grab the hundred best Skyrim modders and get them to produce a game on profit share. I have no doubt that it would be the best game ever and would earn us all a fortune.

 

Speech over, thank you all

 

[Guest]

OffTopic

 

Complains, requests or suggestions are all the part of modding experience. If people annoy you because they ask something it was already mentioned or demand more content, simply ignore those people and move away.

 

Simply ignore those people? There will be a point where u can't ignore those people. They start to stalking you. Starting to search you on the internet, trying to reach you on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr. Looking for your personal blog or how they can reach you. Recently with the rapidly growing users who can access the internet we have a big issues with anon or the lack of moral. Death threats, cyber bullying, harassment is nothing new... but since 2006 rapidly growing in contradiction to the "behaved" world. 

 

[...0...]

The arrogance of modders never ceases to amaze me. Your adoring fans give you all the attention you can handle and ask, plead, and sometimes beg you to make things they themselves are unable to do and what do you do? Bitch, whine and moan. I've been involved in modding games since DOOM was released and sadly this attitude always creeps up and destroys modding communities.

 

What most all modders fail to realize is that those are requests, not demands, mainly from children who are not always as tactful as they could be. It's enthusiasm, get some!

 

I agree on most your saying here, but if you say your modding sinds doom?... seems a long time hehe you also know that it's not entirly true that the request and demands are mainly from untactful children.

I dare saying that majority are from 18+ immature adults, even much older guys ive seen acting like if they are 14 years old(on vent over the years ac2-linegae2-darkfall-guildwars2), thats reality im affraid these days and have the feeling it exploded this attitude around end of 2004 i wonder why:P

 

So i can understand a littlebit the frustration of some modders towards there demanding fans hehe.

 

See it all in perspective, take a step back don't take it all to serious and personal and its all not so bad...happy end:)

 

Don't always blame children for bad behavior its getting old:)

[Demonhunter]

 

The arrogance of modders never ceases to amaze me. Your adoring fans give you all the attention you can handle and ask, plead, and sometimes beg you to make things they themselves are unable to do and what do you do? Bitch, whine and moan. I've been involved in modding games since DOOM was released and sadly this attitude always creeps up and destroys modding communities.

 

What most all modders fail to realize is that those are requests, not demands, mainly from children who are not always as tactful as they could be. It's enthusiasm, get some!

 

--snip---

Mainly directed a dTd, but i had to respond. it took me a while to think of the right thing to say. So here go's

The reason modding comunities are destroyed is not because of arrogant modders, its because of arrogant user's DEMANDING things from modders. im responding to your comment, because to me you would be one of these user's, if you had really been modding games since then, you would realise exactly what im saying. People release and make mods for users to have fun with, you didnt read my question in the first place so i guess you "May" have responded out of context. but to blame a modder who asked one question and label him "Me" as arrogant for it, shows how mature you are. You can ask me anything at all ranging from weapons, retextures, body mods, armors etc. and i should respond to you? But when i ask a single question on a site that i would beleive had Mature people who would see things from both side's. well obviusly that makes me and arsehole, But thats fine call me an arsehole, dickhead whatever floats your boat man, but rememmber its these comments"

 

 

The arrogance of modders never ceases to amaze me. Your adoring fans give you all the attention you can handle and ask, plead, and sometimes beg you to make things they themselves are unable to do and what do you do? Bitch, whine and moan. I've been involved in modding games since DOOM was released and sadly this attitude always creeps up and destroys modding communities.

 

What most all modders fail to realize is that those are requests, not demands, mainly from children who are not always as tactful as they could be. It's enthusiasm, get some!

 

 

 

 

That make modders leave not the modders themselves. So to you i would say " Rethink your stance on modders because with a "Gimme Gimme" attitude you will force modders to leave. "

[Zquad1]

I was a user for quite awhile till I really wanted to learn how to mod, there were certain things I wanted but I really hated having to ask to have someone make it for me when I am perfectly capable of making it myself I was only lacking the know how, so I asked questions I have meet a few modders along the way that never pm'ed me back, & I am so thankful for those of you who have stepped up to the plate & helped me learn what I have learned so far, granted I have sooo much more to learn. like I so badly want to learn how to convert armors from one body to another but I just can't seem to get my 3DSMax working properly. & I have even tried Blender but I just haven't been able to properly set that up either, I can load the armor adjust the vertices, & all that but when I export the armor 3DSMAX crashes every time. so I have been unable to progress. But I am learning & I WILL learn it,  it just takes time. "Patience" is Key

I Now know how hard it is for a modder to create something out of nothing & I have such a respect for that now. it's very hard for a user to fully grasp the complexity of modding until they have actually tried it.

[Demonhunter]

I have to agree with you Z, it is hard to do somtimes but patience is the biggest thing needed. If your willing to put the time in, you will eventually get it. took me 3months to get my first weapon in game. then i had to learn to UVmap things. only recently have i figured out how to do that.  

[Khiropter]

I agree whit Z as well. We were are users at some point but because of 1 thing or more we decided to learn how to do it by our self. Demon can confirm how many questions on steam and pm i asked before i started doing conversions for 7B and im still bugging him whit a question here and there . It's not hard as long as you want to learn and do it. Z if you want i can try and help you get your 3dsmax up and running. I use it for conversions as Blender is Chinese for me.

[Koko.Hekmatyar]

Having played with Meshes in Nifskope and editing Textures in photoshop plus setting up items in CK I know how frustrating it can be to mod Skyrim at the very least.

[Zquad1]

 Z if you want i can try and help you get your 3dsmax up and running. I use it for conversions as Blender is Chinese for me.

THAT...... Would be Awesome I know I am doing something wrong somewhere I just can't pinpoint it my error, I am following Nightasy's video tutorial & I get to video 6 & when I go to export I get the error & then 3DSMax Crashes & has to close. now it hasn't done this all the time, I have been able to adjust  a piece of armor but when I get it into game it blows up but I think I have realized my error on that one I believe I forgot to adjust my characters weight to 0. but for some reason Max has been crashing on my lately & I can't figure out why.

 

I will send ya a PM instead of hijacking this thread...LOL

 

[Zquad1]

 

 I can load the armor adjust the vertices, & all that but when I export the armor 3DSMAX crashes every time. 

litle tip when exporting from max set weld not on 0.0 if it crash try 0.1 instead 

 

yeah I tried that too still crashes. doggon it.

[D_ManXX2]

A lot of modder's don't even know what they're doing. I see more and more often requests for mod cleaning and script repairs that the modders don't even know how to fix. Hell, Half the mod in my load order have been "cracked open and rewired."

 

It's the fun thing about modding. No one knows what there doing but let on that you do and your getting a bunch of requests for stuff that you can do but don't want to.

 

And your point is ?? Bethesda made the tools. and from my understanding even there DLC needs cleaning does that mean now that Bethesda has no idea how to create a game ??

[Guest]

 

A lot of modder's don't even know what they're doing. I see more and more often requests for mod cleaning and script repairs that the modders don't even know how to fix. Hell, Half the mod in my load order have been "cracked open and rewired."

 

It's the fun thing about modding. No one knows what there doing but let on that you do and your getting a bunch of requests for stuff that you can do but don't want to.

 

And your point is ?? Bethesda made the tools. and from my understanding even there DLC needs cleaning does that mean now that Bethesda has no idea how to create a game ??

 

 

OT:

Bethesda doesn't want to work with their own tools in most developmental stages - They not working correctly, instable, lack of usability, et cetera pp. - when you are saying "create a game" it's getting funny. They know how to create wonderful games - otherwise we wouldn't mod them or play their games - but when it goes down to development, their bad as my english or my knowledge about assembly language.  2D Render Thread / Interface Texture management, Interface performance, script performance and usability, engine 3d thread output management, threading in general, code optimization? Oh god, Bethesda is one of the worst company in this part. They could compete with studios such as Piranha Bytes (Gothic, Risen). There are a lot more Studios out there but I think this one is enough... Yes TES-Games are huge and complex works but there is no need for such unoptimized code, in addition bethesda had one of the worst games on PlayStation 3 - Skyrim. I would love to see that bethesda would hire 2-3 dudes for 120-250K and create an even better game. IMHO.

[Valgo]

@Valgo

Dont get me wrong, i will help people who ask but its a two way street. Say if somone asked me how i did somthing, then i link them to a modeling program etc. i would like to think that they could play around with it and learn some stuff by themselves. Most modders, will link you to tutorials some will ignore you, some will help. id like to think that im a helper. i have written two tutorials on the basics of blender. more than enough to get a potential user into moding, my real question was basically about Demanding things, yes users do have the right to "ask" for things thats perfectly fine. But demanding makes me go loco. i was really pissed off when i made this thread, I have to say i do take ideas from users, we modders sometimes run out of things to make or cant imagine something, so ideas are good.

Also users are in most case's why modders share their work, i could be wrong but its why i do/did

 

Dont worry I understood what you were saying from the very beginning of this topic

[Demonhunter]

Oky doky. no problem