Do user's even know???

[Demonhunter]

I havent seen a thread like this yet so here goes

 

One thing i see more and more of especially on the nexus is,

"Make better textures, make this, make that"

"Make a body with 7b boobs and LadyBody bottom"  Etc.

My question is.

 

Do user's understand what goes into the making and or the texturing of the mods made by us modders?, ive been asked a few times how i make things, i give links post pictures, then i get asked "Do you make these weapons in the CK"

Or better yet "Whats a CK"

 

This maybe better in the rant thread but im interested in reading the oppinions of others. 

 

[Ashal]

You mean you didn't get the copy of the super secret version of the Creation Kit that is able to flawlessly upres textures and generate new models for you based solely on vague descriptions like "Make a cool sword with gem encrusted hilt?" It makes things pretty easy...

 

Don't tell anybody, but SexLab was actually real easy to make. Here's the real source code, the code I release in the mod is actually all just gibberish to throw people off.

function SexLab()
	Game.Skyrim.Characters.Animate.Sex("Player", "Uriel Septim")
endFunction

[Uno]

It's the nexus-retardedness spreading curse I tell ya.

 

EDIT: Now...Make ME a body with 7b boobs and LadyBody bottom. Thank you.

[Demonhunter]

 

You mean you didn't get the copy of the super secret version of the Creation Kit that is able to flawlessly upres textures and generate new models for you based solely on vague descriptions like "Make a cool sword with gem encrusted hilt?" It makes things pretty easy...

 

Don't tell anybody, but SexLab was actually real easy to make. Here's the real source code, the code I release in the mod is actually all just gibberish to throw people off.

function SexLab()
	Game.Skyrim.Characters.Animate.Sex("Player", "Uriel Septim")
endFunction

hahha. yea i must have missed that part of the CK. 

we only wish it was this easy

[misslexi9162]

Some of us do.  Many however, seem blissfully unaware as well as unbelievably demanding. I can understand your frustration. Some of the comments in the mod threads leave me shaking my head, or sitting on my hands so as not to type the obvious - such as "try reading the description page, it's there for a reason", or "this is being shared with you for free.....if you don't like it, or aren't satisfied with it, instead if complaining here in an outburst of comment thread Tourettes Syndrome, get 3ds Max, PS, GIMP, whatever, and have a go at it yourself". It's just gotten ridiculously bad IMO. 

[Demonhunter]

Some of us do.  Many however, seem blissfully unaware as well as unbelievably demanding. I can understand your frustration. Some of the comments in the mod threads leave me shaking my head, or sitting on my hands so as not to type the obvious - such as "try reading the description page, it's there for a reason", or "this is being shared with you for free.....if you don't like it, or aren't satisfied with it, instead if complaining here in an outburst of comment thread Tourettes Syndrome, get 3ds Max, PS, GIMP, whatever, and have a go at it yourself". It's just gotten ridiculously bad IMO. 

I have to agree. im not begrudging the unimformed, but really. is it that hard to read the requirments or even the discription. And it is getting worse.

[misslexi9162]

Well, and the complete lack of any manners or consideration as well. It's as if Veruca Salt was cloned 5 or 6 million times and each and every one of them signed up to get mods from the Nexus. "Gimme this, gimme that, I want it now, your mod sucks, I shouldn't have to read walls of text-just make it work".....and on and on and on. 

[Taskmaster]

Beggars can't be choosers but they sure as hell try to be.

 

Unfortunately it's like that with anything someone does and offers for someone else. You give them an inch they'll take a mile and still ask for more. I've never release a mod of my own, although I've made personal changes to things I've download from others all the time. And just with those little adjustments it gave me an idea of what really goes on when it comes to modding. Even though I have my own experiences with other non game related endeavors that can create that same weird atmosphere. 

 

I've always been a fan of things released with a resource to further tweak to your own personal whims. 

 

With that said, those that bash Bethesda for some of the choices made within these games do the same thing.

[Demonhunter]

True that Vol2. i myself am stopping public modding. i "liked" to release my weapon mods, but now the fun of it is gone. i get shit tons of request's, On the 7B page the amount of times I or Wast has had to say "read the discription" is pathetic. i remember getting a comment their saying "Why is it that when i talk to a NPC my game crashes" 

My first thought "Dude you are WAAAAAAAAAY stupid" its a body replacer.

But with that being said i commend the people who also try to help out. 

[FastestDogInTheDistrict]

True that Vol2. i myself am stopping public modding. i "liked" to release my weapon mods, but now the fun of it is gone. i get shit tons of request's, On the 7B page the amount of times I or Wast has had to say "read the discription" is pathetic. i remember getting a comment their saying "Why is it that when i talk to a NPC my game crashes" 

My first thought "Dude you are WAAAAAAAAAY stupid" its a body replacer.

But with that being said i commend the people who also try to help out. 

 

There HAS been a constant stream of people doing that over at the SeveNBase page, I must say.

[dTd]

The arrogance of modders never ceases to amaze me. Your adoring fans give you all the attention you can handle and ask, plead, and sometimes beg you to make things they themselves are unable to do and what do you do? Bitch, whine and moan. I've been involved in modding games since DOOM was released and sadly this attitude always creeps up and destroys modding communities.

 

What most all modders fail to realize is that those are requests, not demands, mainly from children who are not always as tactful as they could be. It's enthusiasm, get some!

[winny257]

I am so disappointed and a little angry, you are in gods knows that her situation since not even of ordinary people, who do not understand everything right, stand with your rat in to the side! It does not have all the people "wisdom with spoons eaten" and there are some people who need help and there should not raise the nose to the sky, "I am something better, I do not need help!

 

german \ deutsch !

 

ich bin sowas von enttäuscht und auch etwas wütend , seid ihr götter in weiß , daß ihr nicht mal in der lage seit einfachen leuten ,die nicht gleich alles verstehen , mit eurem rat zur seite stehen ! es haben nicht alle menschen die " weißheit mit löffeln gefressen " und es giebt einige menschen , die hilfe benötigen und da sollte man nicht die nase in den himmel heben , " ich bin ja was besseres , ich muß nicht helfen !

[Demonhunter]

@dTd & winny257

 

At what point did i say i would'nt help?

 

I have helped everyone that has asked for it.

My question is (if both of you bothered to read the question)

Do users understand.

Meaning= This stuff takes Days if not months to make or create, most of the time from scratch. first the idea, then the model, then texturing , Ck, testing redoing the model about three times retexturing 4 times testing 20 times then giving up because its shit.

 

What im dissappointed in is the lack of common sense some people SOME PEOPLE display hen posting somthing like

"Make this for that, or make that for this"

 

in no way do i begrude user's, they are the one's us (arrogant) modders make this shit for. 

You guys test our stuff. critic it add thoughts. 

But when demands start rolling in. Well what do you expect

 

 

[cornbreadtm]

A lot of modder's don't even know what they're doing. I see more and more often requests for mod cleaning and script repairs that the modders don't even know how to fix. Hell, Half the mod in my load order have been "cracked open and rewired."

 

It's the fun thing about modding. No one knows what there doing but let on that you do and your getting a bunch of requests for stuff that you can do but don't want to.

[Demonhunter]

A lot of modder's don't even know what they're doing. I see more and more often requests for mod cleaning and script repairs that the modders don't even know how to fix. Hell, Half the mod in my load order have been "cracked open and rewired."

 

It's the fun thing about modding. No one knows what there doing but let on that you do and your getting a bunch of requests for stuff that you can do but don't want to.

Cant make heads or tails of that. 

But it is true, most modders are fly by the seat of your pants modders (myself included), i make weapons thats about it. i stummbed through the making of a tbbp version of 7B but as for the rest i wouldnt have a clue. im not some high and mighter modder of epic proprotions. im an amature modder who wants to know the oppinions of others. 

[jonas_opines]

The bottom line, I think, is that no, probably 90% of the users on sites like the Nexus have no idea how much time is required to do certain things.  Kind of like how you don't realize how hard it is to play a musical instrument until you try yourself, so somebody who isn't, say, Steve Vai is viewed as not being that great.  Certain things can seem simple, conceptually, and be incredible amounts of work.  I uploaded a compilation of all my Fallout outfits, something like 200 total items probably, including all color variants, using probably 50 total mesh models, and naturally one of the first things asked was "hey, please do a Bouncing Boobs/Type 6/Type6m/Alice etc. variant.  And hell, if there was some magic conformulator for mesh work that fit seamlessly to new bodies and/or added bouncing animation, that would be pretty easy.  Personally converting 50 meshes, not so much.  

 

It's usually fine, though.  You can't really hold people to a certain level of awareness, fairly.  So I don't really mind being asked, as long as they don't mind my refusal when its something I'm not interested in doing.  I just uploaded a bunch of mesh-working tutorials with blender and nifskope, and now tell people that they ought to try and learn, and that I'll answer a few questions if they do it.  On the whole, that seems to get rid of people, too, hahaha.  

 

I only really mind when someone acts both demanding and entitled.  No patience for that.  But I think that these people are a small minority, it's just that they're so frickin' irritating that they're what we remember.  Just like virtually everywhere else, it's the worst or the best that stick in the minds.  

 

/but srsly, whar my DDD boobiez?! WHAR?!

[Demonhunter]

Yea. like i said at the top. this is probably suited in the rant thread. but im so over the. "My game crashes" then thats it. Like i have the power t see their screen see how they installed the thing etc.

 

TO THE USERS

 

I am not dirrectly targeting you or intentionally insulting your intellegence.

I was simply put

 

Asking if you know how much it takes to do a simple little tweak to a mesh or change the textures on a blade. 

 

But i know ill get hated on for this, but im not really worried about that

[winny257]

it is correct, modding is not a simple thing, I could not, because my english skills are equal to zero. I also agree that it's not okay, when people criticize the hard work. but if anyone needs help on your mod, because it does not come clear, you should help him.
I'm not a modder and as I said I do not speak english, but I've helped a lot of people, some day my mailbox is overflowing and then it will give me too much, but I'll help you if I can.

 

german \ deutsch !

 

es ist korrekt , modding ist keine einfache sache , ich könnte es nicht , denn meine englisch kenntnisse sind gleich null . ich stimme auch zu , daß es nicht in ordnung ist , wenn leute die harte arbeit kritisieren . aber wenn jemand hilfe über deinen mod benötigt , weil er nicht klar kommt sollte man ihm helfen .
ich bin wie gesagt kein modder und ich spreche kein englisch , trotzdem habe ich schon eine menge leuten geholfen , manche tage quillt mein briefkasten über und es wird mir dann zu viel , trotzdem werde ich weiter helfen , wenn ich kann .

 

 

[Yami X]

I know how much time and effort it takes that's why I never bother asking for anything.The simple fact modders take the time to make and share their creation earns enough respect from me with that said some of you in the modding community really do have sticks up your asses but hey assholes exist everywhere right?

[Wast1980]

 

it is correct, modding is not a simple thing, I could not, because my english skills are equal to zero. I also agree that it's not okay, when people criticize the hard work. but if anyone needs help on your mod, because it does not come clear, you should help him.

I'm not a modder and as I said I do not speak english, but I've helped a lot of people, some day my mailbox is overflowing and then it will give me too much, but I'll help you if I can.

 

german \ deutsch !

 

es ist korrekt , modding ist keine einfache sache , ich könnte es nicht , denn meine englisch kenntnisse sind gleich null . ich stimme auch zu , daß es nicht in ordnung ist , wenn leute die harte arbeit kritisieren . aber wenn jemand hilfe über deinen mod benötigt , weil er nicht klar kommt sollte man ihm helfen .

ich bin wie gesagt kein modder und ich spreche kein englisch , trotzdem habe ich schon eine menge leuten geholfen , manche tage quillt mein briefkasten über und es wird mir dann zu viel , trotzdem werde ich weiter helfen , wenn ich kann .

 

 

 

If someone needs help just because he/she is to lazy to read a 5 step installation guide I don't think this one deserves to get help.

[Demonhunter]

I know how much time and effort it takes that's why I never bother asking for anything.The simple fact modders take the time to make and share their creation earns enough respect from me with that said some of you in the modding community really do have sticks up your asses but hey assholes exist everywhere right?

You do know the sticks are their to keep us sitting upright, and not face smacking the PC screen due to lack of sleep right?

[winny257]

 

 

it is correct, modding is not a simple thing, I could not, because my english skills are equal to zero. I also agree that it's not okay, when people criticize the hard work. but if anyone needs help on your mod, because it does not come clear, you should help him.

I'm not a modder and as I said I do not speak english, but I've helped a lot of people, some day my mailbox is overflowing and then it will give me too much, but I'll help you if I can.

 

german \ deutsch !

 

es ist korrekt , modding ist keine einfache sache , ich könnte es nicht , denn meine englisch kenntnisse sind gleich null . ich stimme auch zu , daß es nicht in ordnung ist , wenn leute die harte arbeit kritisieren . aber wenn jemand hilfe über deinen mod benötigt , weil er nicht klar kommt sollte man ihm helfen .

ich bin wie gesagt kein modder und ich spreche kein englisch , trotzdem habe ich schon eine menge leuten geholfen , manche tage quillt mein briefkasten über und es wird mir dann zu viel , trotzdem werde ich weiter helfen , wenn ich kann .

 

 

 

If someone needs help just because he/she is to lazy to read a 5 step installation guide I don't think this one deserves to get help.

 

 

well and good, if you can understand what is in the instructions, it is sometimes very confusing, for example: I need for just one mod, this mod yet, FNIS, SKSE, this mod, this skeleton and yet this mod, it would this a mod work!?!? is it not in a position to make its independent modder mods, then not as many would also occur ask!

 

german \ deutsch !

 

schön und gut , wenn man verstehen kann was in den anleitungen steht , es ist manchmal sehr verwirrend , zum beispiel : ich brauche für nur eine mod , noch diese mod , FNIS , SKSE , diese mod ,dieses skelett und noch diese mod , dann müßte diese eine mod funktionieren !?!? ist denn kein modder in der lage seine eigenständigen mods zu machen , dann würden auch nicht so viele fragen auftreten !

 

 

[Demonhunter]

 

 

---snip---

 

 

well and good, if you can understand what is in the instructions, it is sometimes very confusing, for example: I need for just one mod, this mod yet, FNIS, SKSE, this mod, this skeleton and yet this mod, it would this a mod work!?!? is it not in a position to make its independent modder mods, then not as many would also occur ask!

 

german \ deutsch !

 

schön und gut , wenn man verstehen kann was in den anleitungen steht , es ist manchmal sehr verwirrend , zum beispiel : ich brauche für nur eine mod , noch diese mod , FNIS , SKSE , diese mod ,dieses skelett und noch diese mod , dann müßte diese eine mod funktionieren !?!? ist denn kein modder in der lage seine eigenständigen mods zu machen , dann würden auch nicht so viele fragen auftreten !

 

 

 

i suppose their in lies the problem as well, every mod discription is wriiten in english apart from the translated mods so i can see the problem some may have with installation of certain mods. but i myself generally ty to help those that also post below it 

"English not my native launguage"

[dobmc]

 

 

Beggars can't be choosers but they sure as hell try to be.

 

Unfortunately it's like that with anything someone does and offers for someone else. You give them an inch they'll take a mile and still ask for more. I've never release a mod of my own, although I've made personal changes to things I've download from others all the time. And just with those little adjustments it gave me an idea of what really goes on when it comes to modding. Even though I have my own experiences with other non game related endeavors that can create that same weird atmosphere. 

 

I've always been a fan of things released with a resource to further tweak to your own personal whims. 

 

With that said, those that bash Bethesda for some of the choices made within these games do the same thing.

 

 

Luckily, these "beggars" are only in this modding community. Imagine them being in society; we won't get a single thing done!

 

To the beggars or askers

 

 

Even though Demonhunter is trying to be least offensive, I would like to personally talk to these (can't think of a better name) "beggars": You ever heard of the word "endure"? Yea, the word your mama and papa taught you in your youth, and the word that majority of life is based on? C'mon, if you can't even endure asking a small request- and a request that makes me assume in disgust that you think the world revolves around you(yea I exaggerate a lot)... I'd be surprised if you'd be surviving. Then again, reality isn't fair. There are in fact people with such low standard and childish intelligence and at the same time, rich. To be honest, if we take time to reflect both sides of the issue(?) its pretty easily understandable.

 

 

 

To the modders and especially to myself

 

 

Winny's response is understandable. When I flip the opposition I can see how immature we are. We could simply just reply kindly explaining that "such and such mod" is either "available/not available". But because we are human, with our low tolerance level, we get frustrated easily. Also asking isn't a bad think, at least not always (I assume you guys established that already). You ever heard of a saying "Asking makes one appear foolish, but not asking makes one foolish indeed"?

 

 

 

Me?

 

Surprisingly I am not a modder. Nor begging has been my sub-job on the forums. And to be honest, the only time I remember I've "begged" was when the OP requested, requests. It was only once, but later I managed to accomplish my request by myself.

 

 

In the end, I don't think why should you or I give a shit about both sides of the statements. I see similar behaviors on other sites (you guessed it! Youtube) and to be efficient I think the silent treatment is the best.

 

You know what, forget about what I said, my statement is too general and my target audience is the general group (without classification) so I'm talking to the whole, not specific. This creates misunderstandings, but I'm not deleting my essay, cause of reasons. But yea, screw those insults especially on the nexus. Oh wait I have an idea:

 

If you are having an annoying beggar on your tails, then use the Silent Treatment. I assure you its effectiveness.

 

Also I've been waiting for this single image to load on the nexus, butt fuck it, it still shows the 404 file does not exist error. Oh wait nevermind, I think the nexus installed a emotion-reading AI, finally the image loaded.

 

I would like to also throw in a quote from lordofthedread, a user on this site:

If you want to change the world, start by applying the changes to yourself

[Demonhunter]

I understand what your saying about the silent treatment. even asking is fine, i will help those who ask questions that have not been answered a million times befor. I also revert to my comment stating that us modders are somwhat to blame, because all other countries, english may not be the native tounge, yet the discription is in english, but my target for this comment was, why users, also myself at one point always seem to make demands rather than taking it on them selves to try it? 

I knew this would be a rather touchy subject, and i really dont mean to offend people. its not my intention.

Im just confused as to why some user's (not all) seem to make outlandish and somwhat stupid comments.