Sexout Struggle

[Knotbots]

2 hours ago, djkidd2006 said:

im not seeing any option to toggle the player as aggressor hotkey

 

What is the default assault key? Am I missing something?

It will maybe be in an update. For now this "technically" gives you the option. Use both; 

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by Knotbots

[Machiavelique]

SexoutRapeGame will probably do what it's designed to do, but I can assure you that it won't trigger the SexoutStruggle framework.

 

 

8 hours ago, djkidd2006 said:

im not seeing any option to toggle the player as aggressor hotkey

 

What is the default assault key? Am I missing something?

 

 

I think you're missing the modified version of SexAssault SexoutSexAssault_For_Struggle-May-22-2023.zip available on the download page (cause SexoutStuggle has no assault key and doesn't need one). The Assault Key is NULL by default, so you need to assign one in the ‘Stalker’ sub-menu (iirc because I've made so many changes since then that I'm having trouble remembering how the May 2023 version was set up).

I admit it's a bit confusing to have 2 mods on this page, which is why I can't wait to finish the SexAssault and Stuggle updates so I can separate the mods on 2 different pages for the next release. 

[djkidd2006]

11 hours ago, Machiavelique said:

SexoutRapeGame will probably do what it's designed to do, but I can assure you that it won't trigger the SexoutStruggle framework.

 

 

 

 

I think you're missing the modified version of SexAssault SexoutSexAssault_For_Struggle-May-22-2023.zip available on the download page (cause SexoutStuggle has no assault key and doesn't need one). The Assault Key is NULL by default, so you need to assign one in the ‘Stalker’ sub-menu (iirc because I've made so many changes since then that I'm having trouble remembering how the May 2023 version was set up).

I admit it's a bit confusing to have 2 mods on this page, which is why I can't wait to finish the SexAssault and Stuggle updates so I can separate the mods on 2 different pages for the next release. 

No worries at all, thanks for the response.

 

Im using the May version alongside the sexout struggle FOMM which appears in MO2 as sexoutstruggle, whereas the may version appears as sexoutsexassault_for_struggle_may. Are both files required or is it just the May 23 version alone? Ill check the stalker menu tho and see what I can tweak around. It definitely works on the npc aggressor end.

 

Edit: so after looking in the MCM under stalkers, the only hotkeys available to change are X for surrendering and O for stalker kill XP.

Edited June 2, 2024 by djkidd2006

[Machiavelique]

11 hours ago, Machiavelique said:

I think you're missing the modified version of SexAssault SexoutSexAssault_For_Struggle-May-22-2023.zip

I made a mistake. Don't use SexoutSexAssault_For_Struggle-May-22-2023.zip, this version is obsolete.

 

 

You need both files (SexoutStruggle.esm AND SexoutSexAssault.esp)

 

SexoutStruggle.esm is inside SexoutStruggle.fomod

SexoutSexAssault.esp is inside SexoutSexAssault_For_Struggle-June-17-2023.zip

 

 

If you play with Fallout3 + TTW, don't use the files on the download page. Use these files instead :

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/211144-sexout-struggle/?do=findComment&comment=4148217

 

Edited June 2, 2024 by Machiavelique

[Machiavelique]

SexoutStruggle has been updated !

 

Please, do not use any version of “SexAssaultForStruggle” with Struggle 2.0.0, as it is no longer compatible. You must use SexAssault 2 instead (or the SexAssault version from Odessa).

SexAssault November 2015 shoud be compatible with SexoutStruggle 2.0.0 (but the PreRape features will not be triggered).

[NiffyFox]

So I conceded once to a pack of coyotes and only one had fun, would be nice if the whole pack did it. also I cant concede again.

[Machiavelique]

SexoutStruggle concede key just lets you lose the Struggle instantly. What happens next is out of SexoutStruggle's hands. 

 

Struggle concede Key does not have the same meaning that SexAssault concede Key

- Struggle concede Key means ‘I lose the Struggle in the same way as if I had struggled and lost’.
- SexAssault concede Key means ‘I refuse to Struggle and I accept to fuck with good will’.

 

 

 

On 3/3/2025 at 6:47 PM, NiffyFox said:

would be nice if the whole pack did it. also I cant concede again.

Perhaps I could think about this for SexAssault, which would avoid having to concede foreach assailants (but not for SexoutStruggle).

Edited March 5, 2025 by Machiavelique

[NiffyFox]

also idk if this is assult or concede that di it but I was attacked during combat and failed the struggle, but know I cant move my camera during sex.

 

 

 

 

Ok after looking, you cant move the camera during being raped, idk if this is intentional or not, is there away to disable this?

Edited March 6, 2025 by NiffyFox

[Machiavelique]

You can't move the camera while you're struggling, which is intentional because the struggle keys (LEFT, RIGHT, FORWARD, BACKWARD) are the same as those used to move the camera (and having tested it, it's very ugly to have the 2 at the same time). This point is explained in detail on the main page, and you have three ways of managing it:

- Disable Struggle Rape (means that you can no longer struggle when you're raped)

- Using RUN + [LEFT, RIGHT, FORWARD, BACKWARD]

- Pausing the sexout animation (struggle progress and stamina regen will also pause)

 

 

[wisdomtooth]

Is there a way to adjust the amount of time for the struggle to take place to make it last longer or shorter periods?  I'm using it with Assault and I think it's around 15 seconds or so.

[Machiavelique]

No, I've deliberately set the time at 15 seconds for 'Classic Struggle'. The SexoutStruggle formulas have been refined through extensive testing and are intended to be consistent for a Player/NPC struggle with the same health percentage and strength. Changing the time duration would unbalance what was originally intended.

 

I don't want the struggle to be too easy or too difficult, depending on the number of ally/ennmy NPCs involved, their health, strength, their sex (M/F) etc.

 

 

You can also use 'Pure Struggle' instead of 'Classic Struggle' (Pure Struggle progress is little more difficult than Classic Struggle but have no time duration)

Edited March 22, 2025 by Machiavelique

[TrHaribalds]

Hi, did I do something wrong, i installed mod but pre rape says i dont have mods using it. Did i imss something?

 

[Machiavelique]

This message is normal, currently only SexAssault 2 uses the PRE-Rape functionalities.

[CherryBlossomLord]

The struggle menu doesn't show up for me, and I even tried a new profile with no other mods except for the listed needs yet nothing shows. Any help

[Machiavelique]

I haven't put any particular restriction to block the MCM menu from being displayed, except:

 

    if eval !(IsModLoaded "The Mod Configuration Menu.esp")
        return
    endif

 

It's true I forgot to mention it in the requirements, but you also need to install MCM

If you've already installed it, can you add a screen of your MCM menu ?

[CherryBlossomLord]

20 hours ago, Machiavelique said:

I haven't put any particular restriction to block the MCM menu from being displayed, except:

 

    if eval !(IsModLoaded "The Mod Configuration Menu.esp")
        return
    endif

 

It's true I forgot to mention it in the requirements, but you also need to install MCM

If you've already installed it, can you add a screen of your MCM menu ?

Here is the struggle mcm menu, but no matter what I choose the hud never shows in any situation.

[Machiavelique]

I don't understand the problem you're pointing out, everything seems to be working fine from your screen.
On HUD submenu, if you click on "Size and position", did you get the Struggle bar ?


Or do you mean that during a sexual act, the struggle bar is not displayed?
(The struggle bar is only triggered for non-consensual acts)

Edited April 20, 2025 by Machiavelique

[CherryBlossomLord]

The struggle bar never shows up, even if I initiate the non-con or something else does, no matter what I press.

 

This screenshot was taken when the gecko initiated non-con with me yet I see nothing, it does the same thing with humans too

 

[Machiavelique]

It's really not normal for it not to work on you, I wonder what could be causing this?

 

You can go further by leaving only:
- SexoutNG
- SexoutStruggle
- MCM

 

Then in MCM, try clicking on ‘Size and Position’ from the SexoutStruggle HUD menu.
If you still don't have the HUD bar, delete and reinstall SexoutStruggle.

By the way, how did you install it? From a mod manager or manually?

 

 

 

 

 

If you manage to get the Struggle bar (by clicking on Size and position), keep only

- SexoutNG
- SexoutStruggle
- MCM

 

Add JohnnyGuitar NVSE plugin then, in the console, type:

RingoREF.MoveTo PlayerREF
Call fnSexoutActRunFull (Ar_Map ‘ActorA’::RingoREF, ‘ActorB’::PlayerREF, ‘Raper’::RingoREF)

 

If the Struggle bar doesn't trigger, send me your StruggleLog.txt (at the root of the game, where FalloutNV.exe is)

Edited April 20, 2025 by Machiavelique

[CherryBlossomLord]

34 minutes ago, Machiavelique said:

It's really not normal for it not to work on you, I wonder what could be causing this?

 

You can go further by leaving only:
- SexoutNG
- SexoutStruggle
- MCM

 

Then in MCM, try clicking on ‘Size and Position’ from the SexoutStruggle HUD menu.
If you still don't have the HUD bar, delete and reinstall SexoutStruggle.

By the way, how did you install it? From a mod manager or manually?

 

 

 

 

 

If you manage to get the Struggle bar (by clicking on Size and position), keep only

- SexoutNG
- SexoutStruggle
- MCM

 

Add JohnnyGuitar NVSE plugin then, in the console, type:

RingoREF.MoveTo PlayerREF
Call fnSexoutActRunFull (Ar_Map ‘ActorA’::RingoREF, ‘ActorB’::PlayerREF, ‘Raper’::RingoREF)

 

If the Struggle bar doesn't trigger, send me your StruggleLog.txt (at the root of the game, where FalloutNV.exe is)

I used MO2(mod organizer 2)

[Machiavelique]

7 hours ago, CherryBlossomLord said:

I used MO2(mod organizer 2)

So your installation should be fine.

But I still wonder how the tests go with just SexoutNG, SexoutStruggle and MCM?

 

8 hours ago, CherryBlossomLord said:

 

 

Looking at your screen, I see no reason for Struggle to be triggered here. Struggle is triggered by a SexAssault request (Pre-rape Struggle) or by a Sexout Event on a non-consensual sex (Rape Struggle).
In this picture, I can't see either of them.

 

 I still don't have any answer to my previous requested. I'd particularly like to know whether clicking on ‘Size and Position’ displays the Struggle bar. This test is very quick to do, important, and only requires a yes/no answer.

 

 

We also can adopt another approach, you said:

8 hours ago, CherryBlossomLord said:

The struggle bar never shows up, even if I initiate the non-con or something else does, no matter what I press.

Here you say ‘even if I iniate the non-cons’.
How do you go about initiating it yourself?

 

‘or something else does’
How can you be sure that something else tried to initiate it?

 

‘no matter what I press
Which key do you press? Struggle concede Key? SexAssault concede Key? (None of them trigger the Struggle)

 

Edited April 21, 2025 by Machiavelique

[CherryBlossomLord]

19 hours ago, Machiavelique said:

So your installation should be fine.

But I still wonder how the tests go with just SexoutNG, SexoutStruggle and MCM?

 

 

Looking at your screen, I see no reason for Struggle to be triggered here. Struggle is triggered by a SexAssault request (Pre-rape Struggle) or by a Sexout Event on a non-consensual sex (Rape Struggle).
In this picture, I can't see either of them.

 

 I still don't have any answer to my previous requested. I'd particularly like to know whether clicking on ‘Size and Position’ displays the Struggle bar. This test is very quick to do, important, and only requires a yes/no answer.

 

 

We also can adopt another approach, you said:

Here you say ‘even if I iniate the non-cons’.
How do you go about initiating it yourself?

 

‘or something else does’
How can you be sure that something else tried to initiate it?

 

‘no matter what I press
Which key do you press? Struggle concede Key? SexAssault concede Key? (None of them trigger the Struggle)

 

When I did the test with just the three things nothing still worked.

 

When messing with the size and position nothing happens except my character can't move but can look around.

 

I initiate it with the assault mod, when something else initiates it a message will appear in the left top corner saying that something started a struggle with me and then it tell me to struggle. And using the assaults or struggle mod concede keys it stops the struggle but when using the assault key to assault it says it started the struggle against something but then after like 15 seconds I fail every time no matter the type of struggle.

[Machiavelique]

Seems to be an installation problem related to UIO but you installed everything from MO2, so it shouldn't happen.
The UIO dll is present otherwise MCM wouldn't work and SexoutStruggle would be disabled.

 

You need to check that all the Sexout Struggle content is present in the MO2 installation.

 

mods\SexoutStruggle\menus\prefabs\Struggle\StruggleHUD.xml

mods\SexoutStruggle\textures\interface\StruggleStruggle_Bar.dds

mods\SexoutStruggle\uio\public\Struggle.txt

mods\SexoutStruggle\SexoutStruggle.esm

 

The files located in the ‘Config’ and ‘fomod’ directories wouldn't cause you this problem, but you can still check that everything is present.

Edited April 22, 2025 by Machiavelique

[Machiavelique]

You can also try to create a new instance in MO2

 

File/Manage instances/Create a new instance

Next

Create a global instance

New Vegas

Select the platform you use to play the game (I use steam)

Give a name as "New Vegas - Test Struggle issue"

Keep "Automatic archive invalidation checked"

Next/Next/Finish

 

Be sure NVSE 6.3.10b is installed in your game directory
- nvse_1_4.dll at the root of your game directory

- nvse_1_4.pdb at the root of your game directory

- nvse_editor_1_4.dll at the root of your game directory

- nvse_loader.exe at the root of your game directory

- nvse_steam_loader.dll at the root of your game directory

- nvse_config.ini in Data/NVSE

 

 

Then, since your "New Vegas - Test Struggle issue" MO2 instance install:

- JIP 57.30

- SUP NVSE 8.55

- UIO 2.30

- SexoutNG 2.10.98 beta3 Full pack

- SexoutStruggle 2.0.2

- MCM 1.50

 

 

And everything should works fine

 

[ovidius422]

i search the SUP NVSE 8.55 since 1h could you drop a link please?