Character is mark essential, can't die, what mod is causing this unwanted behavior?

[fmilluminatus]

As the title says, here's my modlist - if anyone could identify the problem, I would be very grateful!

*Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
*3DNPC.esp
*ApachiiHair.esm
*ApachiiHairFemales.esm
*ApachiiHairMales.esm
*High Poly Head.esm
*CreatureFramework.esm
*SexLab.esm
*Devious Devices - Assets.esm
*SexLabAroused.esm
*Devious Devices - Integration.esm
*Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
*Devious Devices - Contraptions.esm
*Heels Sound.esm
*HentaiPregnancy.esm
*ZaZAnimationPack.esm
*Lightened Skyrim.esp
*RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
*Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
*MorrowindCreatures.esl
*snow elf waifu.esp
*Wyrmstooth.esp
*MzarkWonders.esp
*PamaFurnitureScr.esp
*LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp
*SkyUI_SE.esp
*Mystic Condenser.esp
*KhajiitWillFollow.esp
*ZaFromTheDeepsV2.esp
*ETM_RedSonjaStandalone.esp
*GrimmerReaper.esp
*submissivelola_est.esp
Naked Defeat.esp (Installed but disabled and never activated on the character with the problem, is it possible they have to completely removed?)
Naked Dungeons.esp (Installed but disabled and never activated on the character with the problem, is it possible they have to completely removed?)
DeviouslyHelpless.esp (Installed but disabled and never activated on the character with the problem, is it possible they have to completely removed?)
*SimplyClimbing.esp
*glowing-enemies-wellsantos.esp
*C.O.I.N.esp
*Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
*SOS - Shop.esp
*SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon.esp
*SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon Horse.esp
*SOS - TRX - Futanari Addon Canine.esp
*VanillaArgoniansRedux.esp
*ZMDs Feet Nail Art for RaceMenu v1.esp
*Realistic Weight.esp
*Immersive Weapons.esp
*AutoRechargeWeapons.esp
*CBBE.esp
*Cathedral Weathers.esp
*Crossbow speed 2x.esp
*DHSpell.esp
*Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
*Shadows.esp
*GreatWarSkyrim.esp
*DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
*DarkerNights.esp
*Devious Devices For Him.esp
*Devious Devices - BRRF.esp
*Devious Devices SE patch.esp
*DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
*Dragon Claws Auto-Unlock.esp
*DragonCombatDialogue.esp
*ERF - Futanari CBBE - Equippable.esp
*Elder Souls - sweep attack standalone.esp
*FNIS.esp
*FNISSexyMove.esp
*GoToBed.esp
*IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
*Immersive Forsworn.esp
*InigoPerkPointGiver.esp
*Insignificant Object Remover.esp
*KS Hairdo's.esp
*KSHairdosSMP.esp
*KSWigsSMP.esp
*LinenWrapLightweightESL.esp
*RaceMenu.esp
*RaceMenuHH.esp
*RaceMenuPlugin.esp
*RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
*RichMerchantsSkyrim_x5.esp
*ShowRaceMenuAlternative.esp
*AI Overhaul.esp
*RealisticNordShips2.0.esp
*Obsidian Mountain Fogs.esp
*RealisticWaterTwo.esp
*HearthFires Display Case Fix SE.esp
*Heights_of_Skyrim.esp
*LC_BecomeJarlofIvarstead.esp
*WSEnhancerCW.esp
*Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
*ModestElderly.esp
*Artifacts_Revised.esp
*Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
*Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
*Better Harvesting.esp
*SexLab-Parasites.esp
*Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
*Dream of Me - a Vindsvept Music Mod - No Vanilla Music.esp
*Populated Cities Towns Villages Legendary.esp
*SkyTEST-RealisticAnimalsBehaviors_LightVersion.esp
*Mortal Enemies - No RunWalk Changes.esp
*SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
*ArteFake.esp
*Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
*SaveTheIcerunner.esp
*Immersive Patrols II.esp
*Bijin NPCs.esp
*EstrusChaurus.esp
GuildStarter.esp
*Immersive Speechcraft.esp
*SexLab Romance.esp
*SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
*3DNPC Visual Overhaul.esp
*3DNPC0.esp
*Mystic Condenser - USSEP Patch.esp
*SOS - ERF - Futanari CBBE - Addon.esp
*SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
*SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
*SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
*SOS - TRX - Futanari Armor Addon.esp
*SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
*SkyrimRecycling_noExp.esp
*TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
*Vanilla Hair Replacer - VHR.esp
*VitalityMode.esp
*WeightOV - Optional - Gold005.esp
*Wildcat - Realistic Damage Plugin.esp
*XPMSE.esp
*dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
*iHUD.esp
*ImmersiveInteractions.esp
*Conditional Expressions.esp
*EVGConditionalIdles.esp
*SimplyFasterArrows.esp
*SubtleNightEye.esp
*RealNames - SSE Edition.esp
*zzEstrus.esp
*Guard Dialogues.esp
*LWPlayerHeadTracking.esp
*Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
*MannequinDesigns.esp
*dwamg.esp
*AHZBetterDGEntranceSE.esp
*fortdawnguardimmersive.esp
*DawnguardArsenal.esp
*Craftable Crossbows.esp
*Populated Skyrim Civil War.esp
*Paragliding.esp
*NotSoFast-MainQuest.esp
*TPSFortifyEnchanting.esp
*Solar's Portable Crafting.esp
*Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
*Apocalypse - Metric Units Patch.esp
*Bijin Warmaidens.esp
*FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
*ImprovedCompanionsBoogaloo.esp
*Jinxxed Followers - Lockpick.esp
*TS_Seraphina.esp
*MFF_Core.esp
*Khash The Argonian.esp
*MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp
*SeranaDialogAddon.esp
*Inigo.esp
*Serana.esp
*Mirielle Follower.esp
*MistySkye.esp
*SofiaFollower.esp
*moonpath.esp
*Moonpath Navmesh Fix.esp
*SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
*JRMoonpathtoElsweyrPatch.esp
*Identity Crisis.esp
*MF_RadiantProstitution.esp
*Maelstrom.esp
*Moonpath Music - Sky and Lighting fix - merged.esp
*The House of Molag Bal.esp
*Dark Envoy.esp
*MagicalBlackreach.esp
*ClefJ's Villages.esp
*Folkstead.esp
*COTN - Winterhold.esp
*GenesisOfSolstheim.esp
*ClefJ's Morthal.esp
*PamaCruxification.esp
*WindhelmSSE.esp
*Raven Rock.esp
*rebelliousriverwood.esp
*The Great City of Falkreath.esp
*Jehanna.esp
*The Great City of Solitude.esp
*The Great City of Dawnstar.esp
*WhiterunImmersiveSexualPlayground.esp
*Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp
*AncientLand2.esp
*BlendedRoads.esp
*Wheres Your Smelter.esp
WhiterunDefenses.esp
*SurWR.esp
*whitewatchexpanded.esp
*Populated Forts Towers Places Legendary.esp
*Masser adjusted size.esp
*Secunda adjusted size.esp
*BleakFallsBarrowRevisited.esp
*CivilWarCheckpoints - All.esp
*Laura's Bondage Shop.esp
*Unique Display Room.esp
*HF_Lakeview_AvantGarden_EX.esp
*RoriksteadBasaltCliffs.esp
*Eli_Druid Home.esp
*frozenintime.esp
*Sky City.esp
*COTN Winterhold - 3DNPC Patch.esp
*TheSidrat.esp
*Eli_Routa.esp
*InteractiveGallow.esp
*KelRiiTemple.esp
*MoreWoodenBridges.esp
*telmith.esp
*RREnhanced.esp
*Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
*MoreDeviousStarts.esp
*1KwamaCreatures.esp
*MoreNastyCritters.esp
*Otters.esp
*mihailsquirrel.esp
*mihaildwarvenautomatonspack.esp
*mihailcyrodiiliandeer.esp
*Rename_this_ok_it_is_1Minotaurs_now.esp
*mihailguar.esp
*Guards_Armor_Replacer.esp
*Andrewsarchus.esp
*mihailpigeon.esp
*mihailboar.esp
*mihailgiantsloth.esp
*mihailmimic.esp
*NoBSAIProjectileDodge.esp
*MaximumCarnage.esp
*Monster Armor.esp
*Eastern Dwemer Armour.esp
*Eastern Dwemer Armour Level Lists.esp
*Cassandra Apocrypha UNP.esp
*Celes Mercy.esp
*PetalMaskSE.esp
*TERAArmorsSSE.esp
*Junk's Cow Catapult.esp
*DeadlyCabbagesSSE.esp
*AdventurerFlintlockPack.esp
*aaaKukatsuoWeapon -Hand Canon-.esp
*Undriel_Everlight.esp
*The Amazing World of Bikini Armors REMASTERED.esp
*ktWeaponPackSE.esp
*LupineMatriarchArmor.esp
*CN_Accessories.esp
*FallenMinionPack.esp
*AKrossBow- Mihail.esp
*Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
*Celes Nightingale Armor.esp
*DX Dark Knight Armor - My Final Version by Xtudo.esp
*DX Succubus Armor.esp
*DX Witcher Swords.esp
*FGArmor.esp
*Junk's Guns.esp
*Minou Aradia Lingerie Dress.esp
*PDCrossbow - Feykrosah Nin.esp
*PenobscotWarBow.esp
*Project Flintlock SE Redux.esp
*Rafael's Weapon Pack.esp
*Silver Armor.esp
*WeaponPack3.esp
*EdhildilsFalmerSkinArmor.esp
*[SunJeong] Zereth.esp
*yangyang_SavageArmor.esp
C5Kev's Herme Mora Priestess Armor Legenday 3BA.esp
*[Christine] Wood Warden.esp
*DX Druid Armor.esp
*Swordbreaker.esp
*[COCO]Asuka Suit.esp
*[COCO]Goddess War.esp
*[COCO]LaceBody.esp
*[COCO]Lingerie.esp
*[COCO]Pandora_Box_V1_CBBE SE.esp
*[COCO]Raikou.esp
*[COCO]Succubus.esp
*[Dint] BDO_Sor_Lumic.esp
*[Predator] Fuck Doll.esp
*[Predator] Jill RE3 Chastity.esp
*[YS]Ancient Sands.esp
*[immyneedscake] RyanReos Bunny Irelia.esp
*[immyneedscake] RyanReos Elf Paladin.esp
*monster_hunter.esp
*ralfetas-deze-clothing.esp
*888_ParagonFey.esp
*C5Kev's Animated Living Armor Colors CBBE.esp
*Gatti12Jewel.esp
*TrollBoneArmor.esp
*TsunTsun Armor Remastered.esp
*VelveteenArmor.esp
*[Christine] Clockwork.esp
*[Christine] Eldergleam Queen.esp
*[Christine] Gajug Armor.esp
*[Christine] Arathia.esp
*[SunJeong] Ananta.esp
*[SunJeong] Bless HV 0103.esp
*[SunJeong] BDO Jingang.esp
*[SunJeong] Hezimao.esp
*KSA_vdk.esp
*TAWOBA Remastered Leveled List.esp
*BikiniRobesStandalone.esp
*RLO - Interiors.esp
*Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp
*Folkvangr - Grass and Landscape Overhaul.esp
*mihailvampirebeasts.esp
*RLO - Effects.esp
*RLO - Exteriors.esp
*RLO - Illuminated Spells.esp
*Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp
*DIS_Heavy_Legion.esp
*ICLydia_USSEP_Patch.esp
*3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp
*mihailmountainlion.esp
*mihailstormgolem.esp
*Spider Crabs.esp
*Durzog by 4th.esp
*mihailnagabandits.esp
*Fluffworks.esp
Sofia Overhaul CBBE 1.0.esp
*Dovahnique's High Poly Inigo.esp
*HothFollower.esp
*GLAM Aranea.esp
*Misty_Sexlab_Addon.esp
*CiceroFemaleSE.esp
*Save The Shellbugs! SE.esp
*My Home Is Your Home.esp
*3DNPC - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
*OneWithNature.esp
*Meem0OutfitNPCs.esp
*MCMHelper.esp
*TrueDirectionalMovement.esp

[Psalam]

I don't know by looking at your list. If it were me I would first try to use the console command to reset my player as killable

 

(choose your player with the console open and type)

setessential 0

 

If that doesn't work try checking on your character again with the console open. About 2/3 of the way down on the right hand side of the screen there is a notation along the lines of "last mod to modify this character" and make a note of it. There will be a fair chance that the mod listed is your culprit.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

43 minutes ago, fmilluminatus said:

Naked Defeat.esp (Installed but disabled and never activated on the character with the problem, is it possible they have to completely removed?)

This is probably the culprit.  Leaving installed mods disabled is bad practise unless you know the mod doesn't include scripts.  Disabling the mod disables the ESP, but it doesn't uninstall its scripts.  

[Seijin8]

59 minutes ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

This is probably the culprit.

 

Minor clarification here: 

Scripts don't fire just because they exist.  If the mod that activates them is disabled and has never been turned on, then those scripts won't activate.

 

Having said that, your advice not to leave scripted mods in the load order is accurate.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Seijin8

[fmilluminatus]

19 hours ago, Antiope_Apollonia said:

This is probably the culprit.  Leaving installed mods disabled is bad practise unless you know the mod doesn't include scripts.  Disabling the mod disables the ESP, but it doesn't uninstall its scripts.  

The only problem with this is, earlier, my character was not unable to die, at around level 40, she started to be unable to die. Since I didn't make any changes or activate these mods, I'm not sure how they could be the cause, but I brought it up because maybe there's something about just having these mods I don't understand that changes the game. How do you think they could get activated?

Edited August 13, 2022 by fmilluminatus

[fmilluminatus]

19 hours ago, Psalam said:

I don't know by looking at your list. If it were me I would first try to use the console command to reset my player as killable

 

(choose your player with the console open and type)

setessential 0

 

If that doesn't work try checking on your character again with the console open. About 2/3 of the way down on the right hand side of the screen there is a notation along the lines of "last mod to modify this character" and make a note of it. There will be a fair chance that the mod listed is your culprit.

Ooo, I totally forgot about this, yes - "setessential 00000007 (default PC id) 0" worked. Now my character can die. I only wonder what mod set my character to essential in the first place and if it will do it again...

Edited August 13, 2022 by fmilluminatus

[fmilluminatus]

18 hours ago, Seijin8 said:

 

Minor clarification here: 

Scripts don't fire just because they exist.  If the mod that activates them is disabled and has never been turned on, then those scripts won't activate.

 

Having said that, your advice not to leave scripted mods in the load order is accurate.

I'm afraid to delete them because they have so many scripts to weed out one by one I don't want to accidentally delete something that's actually part of another mod and break the whole install. I stopped using them a long time ago because they are so glitchy, conflict with so many other things, and do ridiculous things like making your PC invincible.

[Antiope_Apollonia]

Why would you delete files individually by hand?  Just uninstall it with your mod manager.  You might want to run re-saver and see if there are any orphaned scripts in your save, too.

[fmilluminatus]

On 8/13/2022 at 8:16 PM, Antiope_Apollonia said:

Why would you delete files individually by hand?  Just uninstall it with your mod manager.  You might want to run re-saver and see if there are any orphaned scripts in your save, too.

I don't use a mod manager.

[belegost]

9 hours ago, fmilluminatus said:

I don't use a mod manager.

But... why?

 

There's literally no downside to it and much to gain. How can you even keep this big load order without some sort of mod manager and not have it all crash and burn?

Edited August 15, 2022 by belegost

[fmilluminatus]

On 8/15/2022 at 12:53 PM, belegost said:

But... why?

 

There's literally no downside to it and much to gain. How can you even keep this big load order without some sort of mod manager and not have it all crash and burn?

There's a huge downside. It's automated, which means it does things you don't want without your permission without disclosing what it's doing. It adds an extra layer of complexity to modding and prevents you from seeing what's really going on with your mods. 

[Just Don't]

Seems like you're describing a very particular piece of software and it doesn't relate to what's the standard nowadays.

You can inspect the contents of any mod before installing it, during the install (installation log or installer picks if it comes with an installer), after the install is completed you can also check the files from that mod and how it interact with other files in your game or from other mods. You can enable and disable entire mods or individual files to pick exactly what you want. All of that without needing to worry about "accidentally delete something that's actually part of another mod and break the whole install". If a mod manager is doing things without your permission, in an automated fashion or taking away control from you, learn to use it to fit your preferences or change mod manager.

[traison]

While normally I'd agree with fmilluminatus that reducing the number of "installers" is a great idea in general, when it comes to MO2 it actually does make things a million times easier. For someone who wants to play around with mods, or if you have a lot of mods overriding eachother it's a must-have. Perhaps using the word "installers" with MO2 is incorrect as it never installs anything in the traditional sense, at least for the most part (more about that below). This is coming from someone who manually managed mods, like fmilluminatus, in Fallout 3 despite competent mod managers being around already at that point.

 

MO2 does however have a feature that, if it was made mandatory, I'd have to stop using MO2 or at the very least develop some custom sanitization process for. That feature is its ability to run scripted installers, worst of which may be installer_fomod_csharp.dll. I assume that they've limited its access to many namespaces, however this works up until someone finds a way to leak out of that containment, and now you basically have a regular exe running with whatever permissions you gave MO2. Most windows users are administrators, some even run MO2 with elevated privileges (uac, true admin) because they have it incorrectly configured. With uac such a leak would easily sneak into ring 0 and the game is essentially over at that point, no antivirus will save you then. That said, I've never seen a mod that utilizes any kind of scripting (fomod doesn't count).