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I'll try to limit this post to only the relevant information.

 

I know it's bad practice to add and remove mods mid save, but I considered myself seasoned enough to be able to pick out the ones that are good, and the ones that aren't. I recently added a ported version of Whiterun Mansion to my save. When first approached, it caused a CTD. When attempting to reload any of the quick/autosaves, another CTD would happen. It got to the point during testing, that the main menu would have the infinite loading bug, and removing Whiterun Mansion would fix it. Going in without it, none of my current saves worked, so I had to revert to a hard save from earlier. Couldn't have been more than 45 minutes prior to this, so not too bad. Well, when exploring through this save, all of my quick saves, autosaves, and hard saves that happen AFTER this one are broken. Quicksaving and then quickloading result in a crash 100% of the time, and I can't manually load into the quick or auto saves. I have a feeling Whiterun Mansion screwed me, because when attempting to clean the affected files, fallrim tools would fail to open any saves after the previously mentioned hard save that would work. When starting a new character, quicksaving and then loading that save would actually break my controls, rendering me unable to move, alongside CTD.  Does anyone have any recommendations on how to proceed? I'm trying to cover all avenues before a restart becomes necessary. 

nilead

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 There was some issue before adding a mod, most likely, since it persists after removing the mod and a rollback to previous save.

First thing id try is cleaning a savegame with this: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5031

If that does not help, try the following:

Start a new game, console in player.kill. After it reloads, load your actual save game. Console the same. After reload try manual save.

I know it sounds like woodoo, but it actually worked for me a couple of times.

 Lastly - quick save/load system in skyrim is notoriously problematic. Id reccomend using https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34842/?

or for SE - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19399

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26 minutes ago, donttouchmethere said:

Ported from SE to LE or the other way around?

 

 

LE to SE. However I didn't port it. It was ported by someone in the comments, and the feedback from other SE players was that it worked.

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29 minutes ago, nilead said:

 There was some issue before adding a mod, most likely, since it persists after removing the mod and a rollback to previous save.

First thing id try is cleaning a savegame with this: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5031

If that does not help, try the following:

Start a new game, console in player.kill. After it reloads, load your actual save game. Console the same. After reload try manual save.

I know it sounds like woodoo, but it actually worked for me a couple of times.

 Lastly - quick save/load system in skyrim is notoriously problematic. Id reccomend using https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34842/?

or for SE - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/19399

 

Alright sweet. Also, I did try Fallrim on my own, but it wouldn't let me open any of the afflicted saves with it. Also, is SafeSave safe to install midsave if I do get my game working per chance?

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2 minutes ago, icysound said:

Alright sweet. Also, I did try Fallrim on my own, but it wouldn't let me open any of the afflicted saves with it. Also, is SafeSave safe to install midsave if I do get my game working per chance?

 It should be safe. I havent ecountered any issues adding it mid game anyway. Adding mods, at least those that arent flawed to begin with or conflict with what you allready have is safe. Removing is where the problems begin,

If fallrim tools cant open your savegame, there is a good chance that your save is screwd. To rephrase it - once it gets that bad, ive never been able so salvage a savegame.

 I do wish you luck, but id urge you to consider digging for root of the problem before starting a new game. If fallrim tools are unable to open your pre-whiterun mansion save - you had a save corruption going on allready and mod that you assumed to be the problem wasnt one. A bad mod can be lethal to long playthroughs, and as much as modders try their best - such cases do happen.

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18 minutes ago, nilead said:

 It should be safe. I havent ecountered any issues adding it mid game anyway. Adding mods, at least those that arent flawed to begin with or conflict with what you allready have is safe. Removing is where the problems begin,

If fallrim tools cant open your savegame, there is a good chance that your save is screwd. To rephrase it - once it gets that bad, ive never been able so salvage a savegame.

 I do wish you luck, but id urge you to consider digging for root of the problem before starting a new game. If fallrim tools are unable to open your pre-whiterun mansion save - you had a save corruption going on allready and mod that you assumed to be the problem wasnt one. A bad mod can be lethal to long playthroughs, and as much as modders try their best - such cases do happen.

 

Good news, your method of killing myself in the console somehow worked. I'm frankly, astonished that it did. I was able to reload saves, and even open my most recent save in fallrim tools to clean it. I'm unsure how this solved my issue, but I thank you dearly for it.

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39 minutes ago, nilead said:

 It should be safe. I havent ecountered any issues adding it mid game anyway. Adding mods, at least those that arent flawed to begin with or conflict with what you allready have is safe. Removing is where the problems begin,

If fallrim tools cant open your savegame, there is a good chance that your save is screwd. To rephrase it - once it gets that bad, ive never been able so salvage a savegame.

 I do wish you luck, but id urge you to consider digging for root of the problem before starting a new game. If fallrim tools are unable to open your pre-whiterun mansion save - you had a save corruption going on allready and mod that you assumed to be the problem wasnt one. A bad mod can be lethal to long playthroughs, and as much as modders try their best - such cases do happen.

Nvm, it actually started up again after about 10 minutes

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56 minutes ago, icysound said:

Good news, your method of killing myself in the console somehow worked. I'm frankly, astonished that it did. I was able to reload saves, and even open my most recent save in fallrim tools to clean it. I'm unsure how this solved my issue, but I thank you dearly for it.

 Its not a cure, merely a workaround.

Problem is still there, and will remanifest. It jsut allows to laod into the game to get some usefull info. Active effects, location, surrounding scenes. Basicly, anything that might help you understand what is going on.

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40 minutes ago, nilead said:

 Its not a cure, merely a workaround.

Problem is still there, and will remanifest. It jsut allows to laod into the game to get some usefull info. Active effects, location, surrounding scenes. Basicly, anything that might help you understand what is going on.

Is there any real way to figure out whats going on with it? Not too sure what to do tbh

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6 minutes ago, icysound said:

Is there any real way to figure out whats going on with it? Not too sure what to do tbh

 Yes, but unfortunately, it comes down to gradually rebuilding your game and testing to pinpoint the issue. There are obvious issues - like unsolved memory issue of LE, or no engine fixes for SE build. Assuming neither is the case -  there is a chance of you just running inherently incompatible stuff or a mod that is inherently problematic. Beyond that - its trial and error.  If you do post your load order, there is a chance that me or some other person will be able to spot a problem they know from experience.

 But only reliable solution is gradual rebuild.

 

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6 minutes ago, nilead said:

 Yes, but unfortunately, it comes down to gradually rebuilding your game and testing to pinpoint the issue. There are obvious issues - like unsolved memory issue of LE, or no engine fixes for SE build. Assuming neither is the case -  there is a chance of you just running inherently incompatible stuff or a mod that is inherently problematic. Beyond that - its trial and error.  If you do post your load order, there is a chance that me or some other person will be able to spot a problem they know from experience.

 But only reliable solution is gradual rebuild.

 

Of course. My load order is quite extensive, at over 500 mods. I am just laughing at the fact that it was perfectly stable until installing that whiterun mansion. My load order should be attached to this post

loadorder.txt

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11 minutes ago, nilead said:

 Yes, but unfortunately, it comes down to gradually rebuilding your game and testing to pinpoint the issue. There are obvious issues - like unsolved memory issue of LE, or no engine fixes for SE build. Assuming neither is the case -  there is a chance of you just running inherently incompatible stuff or a mod that is inherently problematic. Beyond that - its trial and error.  If you do post your load order, there is a chance that me or some other person will be able to spot a problem they know from experience.

 But only reliable solution is gradual rebuild.

 

Also, I'm aware of the 253 plugin limiter, however through the 6 or so years I've been modding skyrim, I have never once had that be a cause of any issue when I went over it. Obviously, that could be the problem now, but I think part of me believes that it's just a myth lmao. I'm accepting all input you might have on my load order.

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20 minutes ago, icysound said:

Also, I'm aware of the 253 plugin limiter, however through the 6 or so years I've been modding skyrim, I have never once had that be a cause of any issue when I went over it. Obviously, that could be the problem now, but I think part of me believes that it's just a myth lmao. I'm accepting all input you might have on my load order.

 I dont see anything ive had issues with in your LO. As for plugin limiter, there are plugins that dont take such a slot. ESPFE and ESLs. So plugin limit is ptobably not the issue. In fact id say its definetly not, for when i went over it, i just coult not launch TES5. Sorry, but i dont think i can be of much help beyond this point.

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7 hours ago, nilead said:

 I dont see anything ive had issues with in your LO. As for plugin limiter, there are plugins that dont take such a slot. ESPFE and ESLs. So plugin limit is ptobably not the issue. In fact id say its definetly not, for when i went over it, i just coult not launch TES5. Sorry, but i dont think i can be of much help beyond this point.

Hey that's perfectly fine, I appreciate everything you have helped me with thus far. I'm going to do what you said, and rebuild the load order. I'll move the mods out and add them back in in chunks.

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9 hours ago, icysound said:

Also, I'm aware of the 253 plugin limiter, however through the 6 or so years I've been modding skyrim, I have never once had that be a cause of any issue when I went over it. Obviously, that could be the problem now, but I think part of me believes that it's just a myth lmao. I'm accepting all input you might have on my load order.

Ye gods.

 

"I considered myself seasoned enough"

You should reconsider.

 

I'm putting this in spoilers because it will make grown men weep if they see it.

 

JK's Sleeping Giant Inn.esp
JK's Angelines Aromatics.esp
JK's Temple of Talos.esp
JK's Candlehearth Hall.esp
JK's The Ragged Flagon.esp
JK's New Gnisis Cornerclub.esp
JK's Bits and Pieces.esp
JKs Temple of the Divines - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - ELFX patch.esp
JK's Arcadia's Cauldron.esp
JK's Sadris Used Wares.esp
JK's Temple of Kynareth.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - DoS Patch.esp
JKs Bannered Mare - ELFX patch.esp
JKs Ragged Flagon - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs The Drunken Huntsman.esp
JKs Sleeping Giant Inn - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - Rigmor Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - Elgrims Elixirs - Brotherhood of Old Patch.esp
JKs Ragged Flagon - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Temple of the Divines - After the Civil War patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - ELFX Fixes Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
JKs Temple of the Divines - Skyrim Sewers patch.esp
JKs Ragged Flagon - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Candlehearth Hall - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Candlehearth Hall - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Candlehearth Hall - Rigmor Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - DoS patch.esp
JKs Angelines Aromatics - ELFX patch.esp
JKs Angelines Aromatics - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Angelines Aromatics - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Arcadias Cauldron - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Arcadias Cauldron - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Arcadias Cauldron - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Arnleif and Sons - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Arnleif and Sons - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
JKs Belethors General Goods - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Belethors General Goods - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Bits and Pieces - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Bits and Pieces - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Bits and Pieces - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Candlehearth Hall - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Candlehearth Hall - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
JKs Drunken Huntsman - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Drunken Huntsman - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Elgrims Elixirs - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - AI Overhaul patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - Animated Armory Patch.esp
JKs Haelgas Bunkhouse - SDA Patch.esp
JKs Hags Cure - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Hags Cure - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs New Gnisis Cornerclub - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs New Gnisis Cornerclub - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs New Gnisis Cornerclub - Rigmor Patch.esp
JKs Pawned Prawn - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Radiant Raiment - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Radiant Raiment - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Radiant Raiment - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Radiant Raiment - Cloaks Patch.esp
JKs Riverwood Trader - ELFX patch.esp
JKs Riverwood Trader - Rigmor Patch.esp
JKs Sadris Used Wares - ACE Patch.esp
JKs Sadris Used Wares - ELFX patch.esp
JKs Sadris Used Wares - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Silver-Blood Inn - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Silver-Blood Inn - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Silver-Blood Inn - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Silver-Blood Inn - The Brotherhood of Old Patch.esp
JKs Sleeping Giant Inn - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Sleeping Giant Inn - AI Overhaul SSE Patch.esp
JKS Sleeping Giant Inn - ELFX Fixes Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Dibella - Relighting Skyrim Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Dibella - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Dibella - ACE Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Dibella - AI Overhaul patch.esp
JKs Temple of Kynareth - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Kynareth - 3DNPC patch.esp
JKs Temple of Mara - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Mara - Rigmor Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Mara - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Mara - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Mara - TBoO Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - AI Overhaul patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - 3DNPC patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - USSEP patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - ACE Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - Cloaks of Skyrim patch.esp
JKs Temple of the Divines - USSEP Patch.esp
JKs Temple of the Divines - 3DNPC Patch.esp
JKs Warmaidens - ELFX patch.esp
JKs White Phial - ELFX Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - Alternate Start Mods Patch.esp
JKs Winking Skeever - Brotherhood of Old Patch.esp
JKs Bee and Barb - PCE Patch.esp
JKs Pawned Prawn - PCE Patch.esp
JKs Temple of Talos - PCE patch.esp
JK's Silver-Blood Inn.esp
JK's The Winking Skeever.esp
JK's Elgrims Elixirs.esp
JK's Bee and Barb.esp
JK's The Pawned Prawn.esp
JK's Riverwood Trader.esp
JK's Radiant Raiment.esp
JK's The Bannered Mare.esp
JK's White Phial.esp
JK's The Hag's Cure.esp
JK's Temple of Dibella.esp
JK's Haelga's Bunkhouse.esp
JK's Temple of Mara.esp
JK's Arnleif and Sons Trading Company.esp
JK's Temple of the Divines.esp
JkInteriors.esp
JK's Warmaiden's.esp
JK's Belethor's General Goods.esp
JKs New Gnisis Cornerclub - Alternate Start patch.esp
 

 

That is ~125 esps right there.

 

You do appear to be using 3DNPC even though it is loading after the Cuyima overhaul but are you actually using:

Brotherhood of Old
After the Civil War
Animated Armory
SDA
Cloaks
ACE
Alternate Start Mods
PCE
TBoO
LegacyOfTheDragonborn

 

I'd better put this in spoilers too, just in case.

 

 


Holds - ELFX Patch.esp
HoldsLegacyOfTheDragonbornCompatibilityPatch.esp
Holds - Holidays Patch.esp
Holds - USEEP Patch.esp
CWIEnLFXSEPatch.esp
LoS II - Weathered Road Signs patch.esp
Immersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.esp
HoldsInterestingNPCsCompatibilityPatch.esp
Holds - WACCF Patch.esp
HoldsPrometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roofCompatibilityPatch.esp
Holds - LoS II Patch.esp
Holds - Interesting NPCs Patch.esp
Landscape For Grass Mods - Holds The City Overhaul PATCH.esp
CC_Holds_Complete_Patch.esp
Holds - No Snow Under the Roof Patch.esp
Holds - UniqueBorderGates-All Patch.esp
EBT - IC PATCH.esp
Frost Meshes Patch.esp
SIC - ICH Patch.esp
imp_helm_legend_WACCF_Patch.esp
Hunterborn - Campfire Patch.esp
Hunterborn - iNeed Patch.esp
SIC HB patch.esp
Holds - Frostfall Patch.esp
HoldsUSLEEPCompatibilityPatch.esp
LoS II - ELFX patch.esp
Holds - Notice Board Patch.esp
RU_CityTreesSE_DOSPatch.esp
Holds - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
Holds - Bells of Skyrim Patch.esp
Holds - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
IFDWACCFPatch.esp
RAO - ELFX Patch.esp
Landscape For Grass mods - Helgen Reborn Patch.esp
TCIY BCS Patch.esp
RU_CityTreesSE_ELFXPatch.esp
AI Overhaul - Relationship Dialogue Overhaul Patch.esp
3DNPC - AI Overhaul Patch.esp
SDA RDO Patch.esp
TBoO & SS Patch.esp
IFDImmPatrolsIIPatch.esp
Holds - VIGILANT Patch.esp
018InigoBanterPatch.esp
TaberuAnimation_iNeed - Extended Patch.esp
TaberuAnimation_iNeed Patch.esp
Simplicity of Snow - Blended Roads Patch.esp
Folkvangr and Origins Of Forest Grass Patch.esp
LoS II - SMIM patch.esp
LoS II - Skyrim Bridges patch.esp
fallenbridgesSSE-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_CACO-SE_Patch.esp
CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
CACO_Wounds_Patch.esp
ElysiumEstate_CACO_Patch.esp
Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp
Holds - CACO Patch.esp
PCE - Live Another Life Patch.esp
Holds - Alternate Start Patch.esp
RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp
PCE - USSEP Patch.esp
PCE - ELFX PATCH.esp
PCE - Holds Patch.esp
PCE - 3DNPC Patch.esp
PCE - Holidays Patch.esp
FDIPCEPatch.esp
PCE - Skyrim Sewers Patch.esp
RAO - ELE patch SSE.esp
 

 

 

Only ~70 in that list.

I couldn't be bothered trawling through but you need to ask which of the mods you have patches for are actually installed.

 

So you have ~195 patches before you start and that does not include the 'fixes' you have.
You have about 350 other mods (including 3 esls). Most of your mods wont even make it into the game.

 

Just for good measure here are some general pointers.


That LO has not seen LOOT - e.g. you have patches loading before the mod it patches.

If you are happy with normal ragdolling then you don't need Realistic Ragdolls as XPMSSE skellie does ragdolling.

There again, I can't see the XPMSSE skellie esp. (Maybe deactivated?)

You have several cases of using multiple mods which do the same thing - e.g weather mods, lighting mods, sound mods. Generally pointless and often problematic.

Related to the above, you have things saying ENB. If you are using an ENB then it will generally come with recommendations for lighting and weather mods.

Use the Bijin AiO rather than the three individual esps.

I can't see the RaceMenu esp for the body shape you use.

I don't use SE but I do not think you should be using SOS lite.


Do yourself a favour, start again and follow these:


https://www.loverslab.com/topic/136543-mod-organizer-2-other-tools-from-zero-to-hey-sexlab-is-working/


https://www.loverslab.com/topic/118460-skyrim-se-for-beginners-v-319-3bbb-hdt-smp-hph/

 

Oh, and I almost forgot - did you update your bashed patch after installing this Whiterun mod or after uninstalling it if you did?

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