P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 I started a new game and a fresh mod install. Got a TON of mods and this is the first time I have experienced this, but the usual bandit and some creatures are not hostile to me. Even if I hit them they do not respond, they just stand there. I've used the "TAI", "TCAI" and "tdetect". Nothing changes. IDK if anyone out there had a similar experience and can help with any mod? I also don't wanna just throw my mod list up and bombard yall.Â
dharvinia Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 There are two possibilities, the bandits got places in a faction that is friendly to you you the player got placed in a faction that is friendly to the bandits this had happened to me in Fallout 4, so I think it is a similar fix. Place the bandits in a faction that will attack you on sight. Â
P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, dharvinia said: There are two possibilities, the bandits got places in a faction that is friendly to you you the player got placed in a faction that is friendly to the bandits this had happened to me in Fallout 4, so I think it is a similar fix. Place the bandits in a faction that will attack you on sight.  Logic sounds, well sound. So how would I do that?
Shadowbroker3495 Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 I remember having that problem with Scrappies Match Maker mod for both humans and creatures. Same problem with Wilding mod for creatures. Â If you don't use those mods then a plugin or mod list (extract from mod organizer) posted here would be helpful for community debugging. Â
CaptainJ03 Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Tcgspy12 said: Logic sounds, well sound. So how would I do that? Referring to the Console Commands you type "addfac e0cd9 -1" to remove yourself from the bandit faction.
pinkfluf Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 I'd go in 3rd person (you'll need More Informative Console), click on myself and scroll (using shift key and mouse to position cursor) down till you reach factions. There you'll be able to see what factions your in. I'd find out which ones are allied to bandits and remove accordingly using Captains code or "player.RemoveFromFaction xxxxxxxxx" where x is whatever the code is. You could be in the bandit faction or a part of a faction thats allied to bandits.
P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Shadowbroker3495 said: I remember having that problem with Scrappies Match Maker mod for both humans and creatures. 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P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, CaptainJ03 said: Referring to the Console Commands you type "addfac e0cd9 -1" to remove yourself from the bandit faction. Thank you but this did not work.
P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 2 hours ago, pinkfluf said: I'd go in 3rd person (you'll need More Informative Console), click on myself and scroll (using shift key and mouse to position cursor) down till you reach factions. There you'll be able to see what factions your in. I'd find out which ones are allied to bandits and remove accordingly using Captains code or "player.RemoveFromFaction xxxxxxxxx" where x is whatever the code is. You could be in the bandit faction or a part of a faction thats allied to bandits. Thank you however, I removed myself and nothing happened, in-fact I discovered nothing is hostile to me. I removed myself from every faction and still nothing is hostile or will fight back.
Shadowbroker3495 Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 Based on your mod list, the only immediate likely candidate is OBIS mod. Looking at Nexus site the problem has been reported. However it has been dismissed as not a bug originating from OBIS mod but someone suggests Skyrim Immersive Creatures as possible cause (due to an obsolete patch). Make sure you have latest version of that mod. Â
coolfreaky Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 you might have a load order issue ( make a backup of your load order ) move plugins up and down (try set categories and or priorities ) and restart a new game for testing purpose ( see changes worse or better ; and repeat over again ) . Loot is a good tool for load order but and often you need to add manual changes .  you might have a mod or two that overwrite factions ( time to learn about Xedit ) it will help you to find out which one .  Â
anjenthedog Posted September 23, 2021 Posted September 23, 2021 (I think) Sometimes your faction can get screwed up similarly to when you lose the ability to interact with things, or can't pan and zoom, are stuck walking in one place, etc. I can offer solutions for most of the rest, but for that one, my best choice so far is back-stepping saves until the problem hasn't happened yet, since it doesn't involve the animations themselves (which is how the others are usually solved by interacting with a crafting tool or issuing TAI or enableplayercontrols).  For instance, in a Defeat scenario, (if I'm not mistaken) the player is temporarily added to the enemy faction for the duration, presumably to suppress enemy faction aggression during the scene. If that defeat scenario is interrupted and is unable to perform cleanup, it's possible that the faction reset that normally happens at cessation of the defeat scenario, never occurs. It's possible, but I haven't tried it (just thought of it actually) that performing a Defeat cleanup might solve that one. Fwiw, there's a hotkey in Defeat for performing "emergency cleanups". I'll have to try that myself next time I encounter it...  So that's just one possible source. Not all I'd guess, but gives you and idea of why and maybe how to fix either punt or something like the defeat cleanup (maybe). Dunno if it applies directly but something to chew on.Â
P4rasitic Posted September 23, 2021 Author Posted September 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Shadowbroker3495 said: Based on your mod list, the only immediate likely candidate is OBIS mod. Looking at Nexus site the problem has been reported. However it has been dismissed as not a bug originating from OBIS mod but someone suggests Skyrim Immersive Creatures as possible cause (due to an obsolete patch). Make sure you have latest version of that mod.   4 hours ago, anjenthedog said: (I think) Sometimes your faction can get screwed up similarly to when you lose the ability to interact with things, or can't pan and zoom, are stuck walking in one place, etc. I can offer solutions for most of the rest, but for that one, my best choice so far is back-stepping saves until the problem hasn't happened yet, since it doesn't involve the animations themselves (which is how the others are usually solved by interacting with a crafting tool or issuing TAI or enableplayercontrols).  For instance, in a Defeat scenario, (if I'm not mistaken) the player is temporarily added to the enemy faction for the duration, presumably to suppress enemy faction aggression during the scene. If that defeat scenario is interrupted and is unable to perform cleanup, it's possible that the faction reset that normally happens at cessation of the defeat scenario, never occurs. It's possible, but I haven't tried it (just thought of it actually) that performing a Defeat cleanup might solve that one. Fwiw, there's a hotkey in Defeat for performing "emergency cleanups". I'll have to try that myself next time I encounter it...  So that's just one possible source. Not all I'd guess, but gives you and idea of why and maybe how to fix either punt or something like the defeat cleanup (maybe). Dunno if it applies directly but something to chew on.  5 hours ago, coolfreaky said: you might have a load order issue ( make a backup of your load order ) move plugins up and down (try set categories and or priorities ) and restart a new game for testing purpose ( see changes worse or better ; and repeat over again ) . Loot is a good tool for load order but and often you need to add manual changes .  you might have a mod or two that overwrite factions ( time to learn about Xedit ) it will help you to find out which one .   I have found the problem, for some reason the old SIC esp stayed in my folder and the new one did not overwrite it (especially strange since I use MO2 and this is a fresh Skyrim install). So the mod was bugging hard. THANK YOU everyone for your care and help, everything is smooth as butter now. I shall lock this thread now.
anjenthedog Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Arelor said: so there is no fix to this? (IMO) There doesn't seem to be a single "fix", no. There's learning how to overcome it when it happens to you, in whatever particular way your game config demands. Lame but practical.
Arelor Posted February 12, 2022 Posted February 12, 2022 12 hours ago, anjenthedog said: (IMO) There doesn't seem to be a single "fix", no. There's learning how to overcome it when it happens to you, in whatever particular way your game config demands. Lame but practical. I've fixed it. My "NARC" mod was editing the bandit faction and didn't forward the Faction Fixes Vanilla records to the game so I made a patch and it worked.
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