Naked Defeat AE/SE

[Nymra]

41 minutes ago, gerroth said:

I just upgraded from 4.12 to 4.33 and I noticed a few new animation glitches popping up:

 

What happens / how to reproudce:

0. Rape Event Stops

1. Capture Event Starts

2. PC is in bondage furniture IDLE animation

3. Animation stops

3. PC stands next to the device during whipping or event

 

What I would expect:

- PC remains in bondage furniture

 

Additionaly:

- I think Anunya had a similar issue before

- I do not run the mod "Fill her up"

- I did not push any button when this happens

- It doesnt happen always, it happens on occasion/randomly and does not seem to be attached to any specific device

- Video of the issue happening and Papyrus log taken during time of recording is attached

 

 

And thanks again for all of the great work and the long breath on this mod.

 

 

 

2021-12-10_00-00-16_Papyrus.log.txt 34.18 kB · 1 download

 

disable or uninstall devious devices and see if this issue persists.

or if installed uninstall the DD furniture mod/addon whatever.

 

the log is full of errors related to "zadcQuest (0B0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 389"

and similar. zad is the tag for DD related scripts and quests.

What I think is happening here, that for some reason this script thinks it should fire.

 

alternativly, since I dont know what the script is doing exaclty (and the error is spammed way before that event in the video:
do you have any DD items on your character?
beware that they can be invisible in game, but show still in the inventory (ages old DD problem)

 

in other words:

1. make sure you have no DD related item on you, visible or invisible and be it a plug

2. make sure no DD quest or script or what not is interfering.

 

you could try in DD support thread to ask what this error is:

zadcFurnitureScript.StruggleScene()

 

IMPORTANT: I will not say this is 100% DD related, its just that the only lines of code I see around this point in the video point to DD.

I cannot rule out that it happens for some odd reason on SE and not on LE. So if you have the time and can pinpoint this to DD, it would help me quite a bit.

Ideally make a copy of this active profile,uninstall all DD mods, rerun FNIS and try in this exact situation again several times (I always change naked defeat settings to 0% whip and 0% washing and 0% chainrape to speed up things.

 

 

 

 

[hegel77z]

Just chiming to say that your mod is awesome @Nymra, thanks very much for your hard work!

[Nymra]

5 minutes ago, hegel77z said:

Just chiming to say that your mod is awesome @Nymra, thanks very much for your hard work!

 

thx alot, always happy to hear that kind of feedback

[gerroth]

10 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

disable or uninstall devious devices and see if this issue persists.

or if installed uninstall the DD furniture mod/addon whatever.

 

the log is full of errors related to "zadcQuest (0B0022FD)].zadclibs.isAnimating() - "zadclibs.psc" Line 389"

and similar. zad is the tag for DD related scripts and quests.

What I think is happening here, that for some reason this script thinks it should fire.

 

alternativly, since I dont know what the script is doing exaclty (and the error is spammed way before that event in the video:
do you have any DD items on your character?
beware that they can be invisible in game, but show still in the inventory (ages old DD problem)

 

in other words:

1. make sure you have no DD related item on you, visible or invisible and be it a plug

2. make sure no DD quest or script or what not is interfering.

 

you could try in DD support thread to ask what this error is:

zadcFurnitureScript.StruggleScene()

 

IMPORTANT: I will not say this is 100% DD related, its just that the only lines of code I see around this point in the video point to DD.

I cannot rule out that it happens for some odd reason on SE and not on LE. So if you have the time and can pinpoint this to DD, it would help me quite a bit.

Ideally make a copy of this active profile,uninstall all DD mods, rerun FNIS and try in this exact situation again several times (I always change naked defeat settings to 0% whip and 0% washing and 0% chainrape to speed up things.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the fast response!

 

I did not wear any DD. I think that you are right that its probably related to something broken in my savegame, maybe a DD quest or something similar. I started a clean savegame and that fixed it. I also do not get the above error message in a clean save, (which seems to be spammed constantly in my regular savegame, even when im not in a defeat scene)

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by gerroth

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, gerroth said:

 

Thanks for the fast response!

 

I did not wear any DD. I think that you are right that its probably related to something broken in my savegame, maybe a DD quest or something similar. I started a clean savegame and that fixed it. I also do not get the above error message in a clean save, (which seems to be spammed constantly in my regular savegame, even when im not in a defeat scene)

 

 

you could try to clean the broken savegame too, sometimes a script or even quest can get stuck in the "active scripts" section, just look for the name there and delete it manually
when this happens again, it might also be worth mentioning this in the DD support thread, maybe a quest is not terminating correctly. 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Nymra

[SexyTop69]

12 hours ago, gerroth said:

- I do not run the mod "Fill her up"

- I did not push any button when this happens

 

Does Fill her up cause issues with this mod? I wasn't aware.

[Nymra]

9 minutes ago, SexyTop69 said:

 

Does Fill her up cause issues with this mod? I wasn't aware.

 

when u use manual deflate or when an auto deflation happens, it will break this mods idles, especially the furnitures.

I wrote a patch for LE, not sure if it works the same on SE.

You could try on an isolated profile:

 

it replaces one script and I added a check if the actor is sitting to prevent playing an animation in that case (so it will still deflate).

you can try this by installing this fix, starting naked defeat, get into furniture and then hit the deflation button from FHU
report back when it works, then this patch is viable for SE also

Naked Defeat - Patches - FillHerUp Baka Edition LE 155V.7z

Edited December 10, 2021 by Nymra

[Marauderrr]

Thanks Nymra,

 

Your FHU patch seems to work well with initial testing for me. Running SE on Vortex here.

 

Thank you for all your hard work on ND... one of my fav mods!

For some reason, I don't seem to miss not having AE's fishing,,,, trying hard to suppress evil grin ?

Edited December 15, 2021 by Marauderrr

[Nymra]

9 minutes ago, Marauderrr said:

Thanks Nymra,

 

Seems to work well with initial testing for me. Running SE on Vortex here.

 

Thank you for all your hard work on ND... one of my fav mods!

For some reason, I don't seem to miss not having AE's fishing,,,, trying hard to suppress evil grin ?

 

well, at least those skelettons had a good catch even without AE

 

thank you so much

Edited December 10, 2021 by Nymra

[SexyTop69]

19 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

well, at least those skelettons had a good catch even without AE

 

thank you so much

 

Do you mean Anniversary Edition? I thought nothing worked with it.

[pihwht]

8 minutes ago, SexyTop69 said:

 

Do you mean Anniversary Edition? I thought nothing worked with it.

Naked Defeat does for me.

[4nk8r]

34 minutes ago, SexyTop69 said:

 

Do you mean Anniversary Edition? I thought nothing worked with it.

 

Only mods that contain their own DLLs need special updates to work with AE.  As long as you have a compatible SKSE64 version installed (currently 2.1.3 for AE), those mods that use SKSE functions but no DLL work fine.

[Nymra]

1 hour ago, pihwht said:

Naked Defeat does for me.

 

cool, nice to know. Keep me updated when a problem occurs, I will make a note in the description that it is AE compatible.
Any special measures? I guess you use an updated SKSE?

[pihwht]

22 minutes ago, Nymra said:

 

cool, nice to know. Keep me updated when a problem occurs, I will make a note in the description that it is AE compatible.
Any special measures? I guess you use an updated SKSE?

I've updated everything that is available. Start a new game every couple days switching back and forth between Naked Defeat and Yamete. My only problems have resulted from my own confusion regarding settings. and sometimes other mods. I have a problem adding more mods till things break.

[Sundya]

As far as I can tell, this was briefly mentioned a while back but the poster never said whether your advice worked or not. The problem was scrolling text and a follower that would not stop fighting. I don't have a text issue, but my follower does keep fighting after I surrender and will kill all enemies before any scene can play. You had advised the original poster to use a hotfix. He never replied, and the latest update is well after when you published the hotfix. Was the hotfix included in the latest update? If so, any ideas how to make my follower surrender when I do? She is really op and will never go down on her own.

[Nymra]

2 minutes ago, Sundya said:

As far as I can tell, this was briefly mentioned a while back but the poster never said whether your advice worked or not. The problem was scrolling text and a follower that would not stop fighting. I don't have a text issue, but my follower does keep fighting after I surrender and will kill all enemies before any scene can play. You had advised the original poster to use a hotfix. He never replied, and the latest update is well after when you published the hotfix. Was the hotfix included in the latest update? If so, any ideas how to make my follower surrender when I do? She is really op and will never go down on her own.

 

Followers will be adressed in the next update. If that does not fix it, I might have to dig deeper into the special follower problems.

The current problem can come from how my 2 layer calming quests work (they leave a gap basically....) 

I cannot rule out still that some followers are programmed in a way that even messes up my new system, but we will see. 
Follower compatibility is the main goal for december coming from patreon, so we will work a bit with that. I ll release a beta soon (for 1 follower only tho) for you ppl to test

[Nymra]

38 minutes ago, pihwht said:

I've updated everything that is available. Start a new game every couple days switching back and forth between Naked Defeat and Yamete. My only problems have resulted from my own confusion regarding settings. and sometimes other mods. I have a problem adding more mods till things break.

 

 in theory should be possible to configure naked defeat and yamete to work together, since both mods have several conditions to trigger. I want to further increase compatibility with other defeat mods in the future, but it has a low priority since I see zero reason to use several defeat mods at the same time for me personally, hence it might come down to patreons voting for it. 

[gerroth]

On 12/10/2021 at 2:08 PM, Nymra said:

 

you could try to clean the broken savegame too, sometimes a script or even quest can get stuck in the "active scripts" section, just look for the name there and delete it manually
when this happens again, it might also be worth mentioning this in the DD support thread, maybe a quest is not terminating correctly. 

 

I wanted to follow up on this because I did some testing and I was able to reproduce this issue on a Clean save without any DD mod installed.

 

Basically, for me it narrows down to these specific triggers:

1. Carry a huge amount of items (200+)

2. Set Robbery chance to 100%

 

When both are given, the glitch happens almost every single time, about 2 or 3 seconds after the robbery: The IDLE stops and PC stands next the bondage furniture.

 

I was able to prevent this glitch by setting "Robbery Chance" to 0% or removing most of the items from my inventory

 

Papyrus log

 

glitch-happening-clean-game.papyrus.0.txt

 

Post-rape captivity and robbery starts at around 18:55:23

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by gerroth

[Nymra]

2 hours ago, gerroth said:

 

I wanted to follow up on this because I did some testing and I was able to reproduce this issue on a Clean save without any DD mod installed.

 

Basically, for me it narrows down to these specific triggers:

1. Carry a huge amount of items (200+)

2. Set Robbery chance to 100%

 

When both are given, the glitch happens almost every single time, about 2 or 3 seconds after the robbery: The IDLE stops and PC stands next the bondage furniture.

 

I was able to prevent this glitch by setting "Robbery Chance" to 0% or removing most of the items from my inventory

 

Papyrus log

 

glitch-happening-clean-game.papyrus.0.txt 2.79 kB · 1 download

 

Post-rape captivity and robbery starts at around 18:55:23

 

 

hmm, very interesting. Might be that the huge item count somehow makes the papyrus engine lag so much that it this happens/and or the function used for removal takes so long that the parallel captureevent is somehow affected... 
I want to change how robbery works anyway at some point, I see if I can also find a way to prevent this from happening. 
Currently I m a bit helpless because the whole robbery comes down to only one single function with little room to do anything about it.

 

Good find! 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Nymra

[Anunya]

Which aspects of how robbery works are you thinking of changing?

 

Because the way it works right now - all your stuff is gone, you get a quest to get it back, the enemies may even use the stuff they took from you - is the best implementation I've seen of robbery so far. So I'm hoping that element won't change

[Nymra]

37 minutes ago, Anunya said:

Which aspects of how robbery works are you thinking of changing?

 

Because the way it works right now - all your stuff is gone, you get a quest to get it back, the enemies may even use the stuff they took from you - is the best implementation I've seen of robbery so far. So I'm hoping that element won't change

 

whatever I ll implement it will be a customization feature, so you can either have the current system (+ your followers also robbed)  or you can choose to have my new system which will likely be based around stealing gold and basically only the stuff that the PC was wearing, not the whole inventory (or maybe customizeable like steal valuables, weapons and armor, I dont know yet).

 

The PROBLEM with the current system seems to be, that "RemoveAlliIems" function is "non latent", meaning it will not stop the other part of the quest from continuing. I will try to simply add a waiting time (in the future maybe even a small animated scene) in to give the function more time to finish first.

 

[Nymra]

how do you like these?
searching nexus for something similar but could not find shit...

wonder if I should make a full texture replacer for this mod:

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109960?tab=posts

 

based on a real photography, removed all reflections to leave it completly to the game engine to add those.

 

 

[Lillithcometh]

whenever furniture spawns, the camera gets locked in first person and will just glitch me out of the device but still think im bound to it?

[Nymra]

13 minutes ago, lightspeed77 said:

whenever furniture spawns, the camera gets locked in first person and will just glitch me out of the device but still think im bound to it?

 

1. use this mod as described in the frontpage ...

 

2. make sure you have no other furniture mods installed, no Interactive BDSM, no DDcontraptions, no ZapFurnitureWorld, only the ones I can remember

 

3. double check if you have any ZAP items on you (Naked Defeat adds none, the armbinders are only optical, not functional)

 

4. make sure you have no DDs on you or Toys (should not break anything, but if the rest does not help... maybe this does

 

5. if you have robbery activated, set it to 0% to see if that helps (new find...) 

 

6. if you use DAR make it compatible as described here:

 

see  if any of this helps and feel free to report back to me

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Nymra

[Lillithcometh]

13 hours ago, Nymra said:

 

1. use this mod as described in the frontpage ...

 

2. make sure you have no other furniture mods installed, no Interactive BDSM, no DDcontraptions, no ZapFurnitureWorld, only the ones I can remember

 

3. double check if you have any ZAP items on you (Naked Defeat adds none, the armbinders are only optical, not functional)

 

4. make sure you have no DDs on you or Toys (should not break anything, but if the rest does not help... maybe this does

 

5. if you have robbery activated, set it to 0% to see if that helps (new find...) 

 

6. if you use DAR make it compatible as described here:

 

see  if any of this helps and feel free to report back to me

 

 

 

thanks! i had that one mod active but it wasnt placed low enough in the queue order, working great now!