erwincas Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 Hello, so recently i was playing normally skyrim and add some mods for improve some textures and some gameplay. The thing is I started to plat with the mod Alternate start and works very fine with my three characters that i created( no cdt at all), but recently when i tried to create a new one and I had a lot of CDT's when i start to the mod Alternate start, for example: Firts of all I tried to begin on the woods, the game is fluent and work well, but when i try to go to the cave in helgen to talk to Hardvar after readen the journal of the mod, the game crash. I tried to clean the masters, save cleaner too and nothing change, still crashing. I tried to another scenario of alternate start like escape from the prison, so i tried to escape and then again the game crash when tried to load the exterior. So i try a lot of things to fix the issue but nothing. So i would be so grateful if someone can help me with this problem. This is my load order: GameMode=Skyrim Skyrim.esm=1 Update.esm=1 Dawnguard.esm=1 HearthFires.esm=1 Dragonborn.esm=1 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp=1 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm=1 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp=1 Skyrim Supplemental Patch.esp=1 Skyrim Exterior Fixes.esp=1 hdtHighHeel.esm=1 SexLab.esm=1 RaceCompatibility.esm=1 SexLabAroused.esm=1 BBLuxurySuite.esm=1 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm=1 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm=1 HighResTexturePack01.esp=0 HighResTexturePack02.esp=0 HighResTexturePack03.esp=0 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp=1 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp=1 SkyUI.esp=1 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp=1 Extended UI.esp=1 Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp=1 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp=1 RaceMenu.esp=1 RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp=1 ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp=1 12FemaleBrows.esp=1 FNIS.esp=1 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp=1 KS Hairdo's.esp=1 CharacterMakingExtender.esp=1 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp=1 numenume femalebrows MARO.esp=1 SLAnimLoader.esp=1 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp=1 ZaitamaDragonbornUniqueArmor.esp=1 ZaitamaVanillaUniqueArmor.esp=1 UIExtensions.esp=1 AddItemMenuLE.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp=1 FlameAtronachArmor.esp=1 AOS.esp=1 Book Covers Skyrim.esp=1 ELFX Fixes.esp=1 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1 hearthfireextended.esp=1 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp=1 SMIM-Merged-All.esp=1 Atlas Legendary.esp=1 Angela follower.esp=1 Purewaters.esp=1 Bijin Warmaidens.esp=1 Bijin Wives.esp=1 Bijin NPCs.esp=1 Serana.esp=1 Valerica.esp=1 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp=1 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp=1 SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp=1 SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp=1 C5Kev's Dragonis Bonis Maximus Armor UUNP NoHS.esp=1 Eyes of Aber.esp=1 NCK30Obj.esp=1 SexLabMatchMaker.esp=1 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp=1 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp=1 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp=1 Cassandra Frost Witch.esp=1 SeranaDialogAddon.esp=1 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp=1 FNISspells.esp=1 BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp=1 hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp=1 AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp=1 AOS2_WAF Patch.esp=1 Lore Weapon Expansion.esp=1 NewMikanEyes.esp=1 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp=1 LostGrimoire.esp=1 Crimson Blood Armor.esp=1 SDA- DX CBlood Patch.esp=1 C5Kev's Damned Witch UUNP NoHS.esp=1 SlaveTats.esp=1 FISS.esp=1 SkyHUD.esp=1 NusbieVoices.esp=1 SexLab Extra Voices.esp=1 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp=1 ImprovedCompanionsBoogaloo.esp=1 SDA_SLPatch.esp=1 3PCO.esp=1 MainMenu.esp=1 XPMSE.esp=1 SOSRaceMenu.esp=1 SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp=1 BD UUNP Armor and cloth replacer.esp=1 Skyrim Tropical Style Suit (UNPB Remodeled).esp=1 FullBootForKKSA.esp=1 FNIS_PCEA2.esp=1 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp=1 ELFXEnhancer.esp=1 Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp=1 ELFX - Exteriors.esp=1 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp=1
Sgt. Marge Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 Are you using a mod manager? Have you run anything to help sort your mods like Loot? Note that the Loot program isn't perfect, it is also necessary to read through each mod description to see if a different load order should be followed. For example, the Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp patch needs to be loaded after all of the ELFX mods, and I notice that Exteriors is loading after it according to the list above if that is indicative of the current load order. Also I've noticed that Loot puts ELFX towards the top, and I've found recently that, for me at least, loading them near the very bottom works incredibly better. But running Loot is at least a starting point that can help. Have you taken a look at any stability guides like this one? I would hazard a guess that the crashing is not limited to Alternate Start since it wasn't exactly reproduced. You could try using a different start method like Unbound Reborn instead (disable alternate start) and see if it still crashes. But it would probably be best to ensure the load order is sufficient and you have some stability fixes first. Edited to add note about Loot
CaptainJ03 Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 If that's your Load Order, no wonder it's crashing. I don't understand much of how and why, but at least you need to have all .esm before any .esp As @Marg597 said - use a Mod Manager and LOOT
mircislav Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 2 hours ago, erwincas said: Skyrim Exterior Fixes.esp=1 Maybe this isn't fixing things... also, as others posted - use MO and LOOT and choose your mods wisely. And Alternate start is not causing the crash.
Grey Cloud Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 2 hours ago, CaptainJ03 said: I don't understand much of how and why, but at least you need to have all .esm before any .esp Those esps will be flagged as esms and will consequently appear up there with the esms. I would guess that the OP is using LOOT and a mod manager. I would ask whether the OP is using the stability tools.
erwincas Posted May 5, 2021 Author Posted May 5, 2021 Thanks to all for the tips guys i really appreciate it. 1.Yes, @Marg597 i use loot constantly in order to organize my mods but sorry about the order it seams i copy the order when i tried to moving thing for encounter the issue so i will posted the load order after using loot. 2. I use nexus mod manager for store and manage my mods. 3. @Marg597 it is safe to test the unbound mod , besides i have three order characters that i started with alternate start, with these characters i advanced part of the DB main quest so it would be safe to test or i should forget these characters and test with new one if unbound works? This is my load order after use loot: 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm 7 7 UnlimitedBookshelves.esp 8 8 Skyrim Supplemental Patch.esp 9 9 Skyrim Exterior Fixes.esp 10 a hdtHighHeel.esm 11 b SexLab.esm 12 c RaceCompatibility.esm 13 d SexLabAroused.esm 14 e BBLuxurySuite.esm 15 f ClimatesOfTamriel.esm 16 10 Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 17 11 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp 18 12 Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp 19 13 SkyUI.esp 20 14 Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp 21 15 Extended UI.esp 22 16 Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp 23 17 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 24 18 RaceMenu.esp 25 19 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 26 1a ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp 27 1b ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp 28 1c 12FemaleBrows.esp 29 1d FNIS.esp 30 1e RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 31 1f KS Hairdo's.esp 32 20 CharacterMakingExtender.esp 33 21 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp 34 22 numenume femalebrows MARO.esp 35 23 SLAnimLoader.esp 36 24 SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp 37 25 ZaitamaDragonbornUniqueArmor.esp 38 26 ZaitamaVanillaUniqueArmor.esp 39 27 UIExtensions.esp 40 28 AddItemMenuLE.esp 41 29 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 42 2a FlameAtronachArmor.esp 43 2b AOS.esp 44 2c Book Covers Skyrim.esp 45 2d ELFX - Exteriors.esp 46 2e ELFX Fixes.esp 47 2f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 48 30 hearthfireextended.esp 49 31 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp 50 32 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 51 33 Atlas Legendary.esp 52 34 Angela follower.esp 53 35 Purewaters.esp 54 36 Bijin Warmaidens.esp 55 37 Bijin Wives.esp 56 38 Bijin NPCs.esp 57 39 Serana.esp 58 3a Valerica.esp 59 3b Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 60 3c SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp 61 3d SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp 62 3e SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp 63 3f C5Kev's Dragonis Bonis Maximus Armor UUNP NoHS.esp 64 40 Eyes of Aber.esp 65 41 NCK30Obj.esp 66 42 SexLabMatchMaker.esp 67 43 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp 68 44 Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp 69 45 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 70 46 Cassandra Frost Witch.esp 71 47 SeranaDialogAddon.esp 72 48 Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp 73 49 TheAmazingWorldOfBikiniArmor.esp 74 4a FNISspells.esp 75 4b BBLuxurySuiteENM.esp 76 4c hothtrooper44_ArmorPatch.esp 77 4d AOS2_CoT3_1_patch.esp 78 4e AOS2_WAF Patch.esp 79 4f Lore Weapon Expansion.esp 80 50 NewMikanEyes.esp 81 51 BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp 82 52 LostGrimoire.esp 83 53 Crimson Blood Armor.esp 84 54 SDA- DX CBlood Patch.esp 85 55 C5Kev's Damned Witch UUNP NoHS.esp 86 56 SlaveTats.esp 87 57 FISS.esp 88 58 SkyHUD.esp 89 59 NusbieVoices.esp 90 5a SexLab Extra Voices.esp 91 5b AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp 92 5c ImprovedCompanionsBoogaloo.esp 93 5d SDA_SLPatch.esp 94 5e 3PCO.esp 95 5f MainMenu.esp 96 60 XPMSE.esp 97 61 SOSRaceMenu.esp 98 62 SRG Enhanced Trees Activator.esp 99 63 BD UUNP Armor and cloth replacer.esp 100 64 Skyrim Tropical Style Suit (UNPB Remodeled).esp 101 65 FullBootForKKSA.esp 102 66 FNIS_PCEA2.esp 103 67 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 104 68 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp 105 69 ELFXEnhancer.esp Should i change the elfx order like you recomended @Marg597 ?
Sgt. Marge Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 Unbound is a replacement for the Alternate Start mod and should only be used for a brand new character. I really don't think that's going to resolve the crashing though. Have you tried "Crash Fixes" with OS Allocators enabled? This is detailed in the guide I linked before. I would recommend your ELFX mods be loaded in this order and at the bottom: EnhancedLightsandFX ELFX - Exteriors ELFXEnhancer.esp Skysan_ELFX_SMIM_Fix.esp ELFX Fixes.esp It's good that you are using Loot but as you can see just looking at the lighting mods, it does not sort things perfectly and so there can still be issues with load order. 1. Read through all your mods description pages (and posts from other players if you have the patience) , check for incompatibilities noted with other mods 2. While doing this, note any specifics with load order mentioned in the description pages 3. Adjust load order accordingly, Disable incompatible mods 4. Ensure you have installed some stability improvements like Crash Fixes, Memory patch, safety load etc. 5. Then try and play a fresh character, but make sure there are no saves still in your save folder before you start (you can move them somewhere else to back up if you want) 6. If you still get crashing after all that, then it's time to narrow down what the culprit is especially if the crash is reproducible, i.e. looting a specific object, wearing specific armor etc. 7. To troubleshoot mods from there, you would want to only enable a few mods to get started, maybe 10 at a time. Play a new character with 10 mods, see if it crashes. Keep adding 10-20 mods at a time and repeat the process, making note of which mods you are enabling for the test. Once you start getting the same crash happening, then you can take a look at the group of mods you just enabled and narrow it down from there. Yes it is a ton of work, but these are the types of things that are needed to get the game working with some semblance of stability.
erwincas Posted May 5, 2021 Author Posted May 5, 2021 @Marg597 Thanks for all the tips,yes like you said is a ton of work but with a first step of what i have to do maybe i will resolve the issue. So if i resolve the problem i will posted what was the issue. The thing about the game is very unique because i still can play with my older characters and the game works fine but the thing is when i started a new game, maybe some mod had a conflict with alternate start or the CDT maybe will happen on my old games but not happened yet. Finally, if you have any other recomendation of load order, i'll really apreciate a lot. Thank you.
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