Overpopulation and how to stop it

[Myst42]

Man you could cut the misanthropy levels here with a knife.

I'm often amused at how the first solution that comes to the mind of many to solve overpopulation is "cull everybody except me and those I care about".

 

Yeah sure.. war brings a lot of benefit, everybody loves a war!!

Hey lets have a war Im sure it would be fun!! Dude! You know what else? We could have a few beers after!

 

Until you have dead relatives, friends and loved ones piling up at your door

Until everything you held dearest gets blown up

Until you get to see your girlfriend, your brother, or your best friend, or your little son or daughter being blown up by an air bombing and end up holding a piece of his/her face or a toe in your hands

"Sure its a whole lot of fun and progress as long as it happens away from me"

I thought you Americans were supposed to be a little more sensitive about that stuff having passed through such tragic events as Katrina, 9/11 and the war that came after where Im pretty sure a lot of American soldiers died too. Friends, brothers, fathers, sons... All dead and tossed like raw meat

 

So you like war and want a war, it will be such a fun game!!

Ive got news for ya... It never goes as you expect

Please...

 

-Rant Over-

 

About zombies and mind control

No kidding, Ive seen totally hypnotized people looking at a freaking reality show, the most stupid thing ever created by man and it sure works better that the goddamn Hypnotoad...

Ive had the conviction from a while, that true zombies are not dead, but mindless minions

 

If a big catastrophe is going to happen, being a lot of available possibilities, then so be it, well do our best to survive, and whatever has to happen, will. Not because God wants to punish us, or because Doomsday has come. Only because the state of balance right now is too fragile. Dinosaurs thought they were here to stay. Anything can happen any day. Events come and go as the wind reacting to many different forces that we do not fully understand. The survival of humanity depends on its capacity to adapt just as any other species, only it needs to adjust to itself too in order to prevent self-destruction, which may or mat not be definitive.

 

True solutions have been mentioned...

there is education above all others

there is money and policies of encouragement for stability

there are sexual toys and the possibility of progress in making sex-bots...

 

But wishing for war and nuclear holocaust for real is just inhuman, evil and sick to the very core. Yeah humanity is going downwards in term of excellency and there's a lot of things wrong with everything, but mass murder is mass murder, and I sincerely hope no one really wishes that here, and every comment like that was made ironically with the purpose of fun trolling and for the lulz...

[Queen Bee]

Please don't make the mistake of assuming all US-ians want war. Most of us would rather live and let live with the rest of the world. There's warmongers among all the countries, it's not singular to the US.

[El Sparrow]

The problem is that overpopulation isn't one problem, it's a number of different problems that get oversimplified as, "there's too many people about!" Which leads to comments like this:

 

Since when is overpopulation a problem? I mean, if a warlord in Africa confiscates his people's food are we saying there's starvation based on overpopulation? Or is 'overpopulation' just another political buzzword? I live in the southern USA and hell if its just as underpopulated as it gets. Drive on the interstates for hours with no civilization (aside from gas stations at some exits) or fly over to see hundreds of thousands of square miles of forest, Forest, FOREST.

 

I think when people are talking about overpopulation, what they're really talking about is population CONTROL. Authoritarians are all the same.

 

Yup, it's [possibly] true, [i'm actually not sure,] the world's human population could fit into the space taken up by a single first world city, like London or Paris. Surely this proves that overpopulation is just a myth!? Well... no, 'cuz they all need to eat, and food takes up land. When you're driving through empty countryside and it's not a forest, chances are you're driving through fields full of grains, fruits, livestocks, etc. They also need to breathe, hence those forests... one of the reasons I love the plants around me, aside from that whole beautiful thing, is that they eat the sun and poop out oxygen. Plant life. Fuck yeah.

 

So, yeah, what we need to do in terms of land usage is make sure we're growing enough food so everyone can eat. Arguably we're already doing that, and what we really need is a rational economic model that doesn't throw food away in one part of the world while another has next to none. While making sure we're growing enough food, and not leaving people to starve just because we value money more than life, we also need to find a way to maintain the equilibrium between nutrients going into the environment and those going out. This is because the current balance favours outgoing nutrients over the incoming, which means eventually we won't be able to grow as much or as well, and our personal nutrient equilibria will also favour the outbound nutrients... which will suck. We also need to increase the general plant coverage because they accompany their sunburgers with CO₂ fries which, whether you 'believe in' climate change or not, is a pretty handy thing.

Generally increasing energy efficiency is worth going for just 'cuz it makes economic sense to use less to do more anyway, even without any environmental reasons. Arcologies would also be good, partly because they're cool, but also because building cities upward frees up more land for the crops, livestock, and general forest land, leading to a lowered impact per square mile, kilemetre, or chicken. Also, anyone suggesting human culling should be considered as a volunteer for it, because forcing people to their deaths is kinda shitty, so any such scheme would have to be voluntary.

 

Other than that, education, lowered economic inequality, increased minimum prosperity, and colonizing Mars are definitely good plans... apparently there's a reality tv show being planned around the idea of colonizing mars actually... seriously worrying idea actually... "day 487 in the big brother habitat, and James has died from radiation exposure." Anyway... sex robots, also a good plan! :3

[Myst42]

 

Please don't make the mistake of assuming all US-ians want war. Most of us would rather live and let live with the rest of the world. There's warmongers among all the countries, it's not singular to the US.

 

Dont worry, I know

I mention it only because I know you've been through a lot, and thought you would know a bit about the true horrors which are implied

I just dont think real war should be taken lightly... by anyone

 

Anyway if its irony and nonsense, then Im ok with it, as long as it remains clear that its not seriously, but in real life, no way anyone "sane" should ever wish for something like it

 

[Queen Bee]

The US has been through some rough times, I suppose. I somehow doubt other countries would think we've suffered all that much in comparison, though. Yes, we've been hit a couple times by terrorists, and we certainly have our share of crazies that go off on murder sprees. These are terrible tragedies, every one of them. But other countries see so much worse, and while I'm not the type to compare pain, I can't say US tragedies have affected my life to the same depth as, say, routine bombings in Palestine or rebel conflicts in Syria affect the people there. When I heard about the Boston bombings, I definitely felt bad for those hurt and killed and I hoped for those responsible to be brought to justice, but that was about it. I didn't change my routine, it didn't destabilize the entire country, and thankfully this sort of thing is still incredibly rare.

 

When the average US citizen can say the tragedies here have directly affected their lives for the worse, and on a regular basis, that's when I think we have the right to say we've truly suffered.

[Veta]

Okay , this isn't a thread about the u.s and "sufferings" this is about overpopulation and how to prevent it, so I ask that we please stay on topic .

 

 

 

[Dude500X]

I think as a society we need to replace conventional sex, that is, the Penis in the Vagina, with Blowjobs.

 

I still think that is the best idea.  The Man gets off and the Women feels good for doing her part to stop over population!

 

Win Win for all.

[Kamen Rider Kuuga]

Why not stick it in the

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[Halstrom]

Ban the porn.

Free internet porn for everyone, banning porn just encourages people to have real sex 

[El Sparrow]

I think as a society we need to replace conventional sex, that is, the Penis in the Vagina, with Blowjobs.

 

That's conventional sex? No wonder she looked at me funny...

[slamdunk]

Alien invasion.

[Emily]

Testicles removal at birth. Save the eldest son.

[formel]

Advantage: Revival of the eunuch choirs

 

Disadvantage: A lot of sexual frustrated people both men and women

[Myst42]

Skynet... cellphones and ipads and tablets are taking over the world anyway...

[Queen Bee]

Teach children abstinence-only sex education, that'll keep them from fucking.

[Shermie]

Become lesbian like Me ;-)

[Emily]

It's not like everyone can handle themselves these days, Degenerates with their impunity are all over the globes.

[Queen Bee]

Become lesbian like Me ;-)

 

How you doin'?

[Shermie]

wrong word was *become*

[Monsto Brukes]

The problem isn't overpopulation, the problem is overcrowding. In other words, the problem isn't that there's too many people, the problem is that there's too many people all slummed together in one place. There's (give or take) 6.5 billion ppl on the planet. You could give everyone a single acre of land and pile everyone into north america.

 

Of course that isn't feasible, it's just to illustrate the point that there's PLENTY of space for people.  In the us alone, there's 7 acres of land per person. But when you stack 10, 15, 20m people into a city, you run into problems. As time runs, and populations stack higher and higher, more efficient technologies are required not for growth but just for sustainability of the population. 

 

Even sprawls like Atlanta and LA are densely populated. And thanks to the interstates and mass transit, the sprawling nature of these cities swap one problem (sewage, proliferation and expansion of disease) for another (air/noise pollution) so it's not better.

 

Solve overcrowding. Give people a feasible reason to spread the fuck out a bit and they'll do it. If I could sit in my home office in BFEast Egypt somewhere with a solid consumer internet and get my grocs delivered, I'd fucking do it in a heartbeat. I'll bet you would too.

[Queen Bee]

I'm all for saying goodbye cities, hello farmland, but keep in mind how much of the land is habitable. Not to mention the destruction to many natural habitats would occur should a vast majority of people decide they all want to spread out. You'd have people moving into national parks and fucking up the forests, and I wouldn't want that.

 

Interesting side note, if you put all humans on earth in one place, shoulder to shoulder in rows, they'd only fill an area the size of L.A.

[lordofthedread]

The problem is not much overpopulation but misuse of earth ressources.

 

And after that you see : damn we are killing our planet.

 

This statement is absurd we are just killing ourselves making an environment we cant live in, the planet will continue to roll with or without us.

 

For me we are alredy on the edge of extinction, of course it could take a 1000 years or 2 but most of our "history" is only 2000 years old anyway and the planet is 4.54 billions years old, We are way too arrogant to believe that this planet belong to us.

[Queen Bee]

Our history goes back longer than two thousand years. A lot longer. As for resources, there is a limit to what we can produce, and that number goes down as the number of people goes up.

[El Sparrow]

Giving everyone an acre of land wouldn't help us. We're running up against a usable water shortage most of the time as it is. One of the benefits of cities is that a higher population density tends to lead to lower water usage, allowing the water to go farther than it otherwise would. Spread us out to one family per acre and most of us will die of thirst; or our crops will, and we'll die of hunger.

[Monsto Brukes]

 

Giving everyone an acre of land wouldn't help us. We're running up against a usable water shortage most of the time as it is. One of the benefits of cities is that a higher population density tends to lead to lower water usage, allowing the water to go farther than it otherwise would. Spread us out to one family per acre and most of us will die of thirst; or our crops will, and we'll die of hunger.

 

 

Of course that isn't feasible, it's just to illustrate the point that there's PLENTY of space for people. 

 

On other words, there's way fewer people than there are environmental resources.