hdt crushed breasts on showracemenu

[vexily]

 

so i have run into a dead end in trying to find out what is causing my current issue, and  i am hopeful that someone here might have an answer to what i did wrong or what i can do to fix it.

 

the problem is that upon opening "showracemenu" my characters breasts, even without changing anything seem to invert themselves and get a crushed appearance permanently, in my searches for a solution i saw it could be the hdt hair i had, ruled that out with a profile that did not have the hair installed, read that it was just a bug that would be resolved by closing and reloading the game, again still did not solve the problem.

 

other than this one problem my mod setup has actually been stable, everything has worked as intended and i have had no crashes in 30 hours of playtime, and it i slightly annoying me as have grown unhappy with my current characters hair and i can't change it without breaking her body ?

 

don't know if i have somehow messed up load order or mod organizer mod order in a way that only breaks this one thing but here are my load orders 1-load order 2- mod order

 

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# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
SexLab.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
CreatureFramework.esm
BeeingFemale.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
daymoyl.esm
Skyrim - Utility Mod.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
FNIS.esp
SkyUI.esp
RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SLALAnimObj.esp
MoreNastyCritters.esp
SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp
SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp
zzEstrus.esp
EstrusChaurus.esp
Apropos2.esp
SLSO.esp
SLSO_F_VP_Maria.esp
BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp
DW.esp
SexLabDefeat.esp
SD Cages.esp
TreasureHunterWhore.esp
SD Cages - Badassless Patch.esp
xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp
sanguinesDebauchery.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot.esp
SexLab-Parasites.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
SexLab_Dialogues.esp
SimpleSlavery.esp
SexLab Pheromones.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
SD Patches.esp
Devious Devices - Equip.esp
UIExtensions.esp
Deviously Enslaved.esp
SexLab Approach.esp
FNISspells.esp
SexLabHorribleHarassment.esp
SLAL_AnimationByBakaFactory.esp
SlaveTats.esp
FadeTattoos.esp
RapeTattoos.esp
SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp
EstrusSpider.esp
Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
DeviouslyHelpless.esp
sr_FillHerUp.esp
SexLab Inflation Framework.esp
submissivelola_est.esp
SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp
TKDodge.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
VOBS.esp
HelmetToggle.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Deviously Cursed Loot LAL AddOn.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
MikanEyes All in one.esp
ViceroyInquisitor.esp
[Dint999] KSH's HDT.esp
 

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+Bodyslide
+Viceroy Inquisitor Revamp v3.0b
+Esp Fix thalmor
+Thalmor Viceroy Inquisitors Clothes
+Shirley RaceMenu Preset 3.1
+Dint999 KS SG HG hairs HDT
+MikanEyes v2.5
+KS Hairdos Renewal - Female
+Demoniac_Texture
+Crash Fixes v8 BETA1
+Apocalypse v945-16225-9-45
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+Disable Quick Save
+Run For Your Lives
+Auto Unequip Ammo
+Dual Sheath Redux
+overwrite dump
+fnis anims
+Helmet Toggle
+Lajla - Imperial Racemenu Preset
+FNIS Spells V5 0 1 -- ADD-ON for the spells
+FNIS Creature Pack 7.6
+FNIS Behavior 7 6 XXL
+Vigilant CBBE BodySlide
+VIGILANT
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+Remodeled Armor CBBE Bodyslide HDT - Standalone
+Dragonscale Bikini CBBE HDT BS2
+TK Dodge
+SexLab Aroused Creatures (Tweak)
+SexLab Aroused Creatures SE v04.01
+SubmissiveLolaEsturk 110
+THW TenriTweaks Jan 19 2020 1
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+SexLab Separate Orgasm
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+Load Game CTD Fix
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*DLC: HighResTexturePack01
*DLC: HighResTexturePack02
*DLC: HighResTexturePack03
 

edit: in the off chance a screenshot of the problem helps 

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[RW311]

+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended
+SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim - 3.00.004

 

 

move xp32 below sos, also check nothing overwrites skeleton for xp32 unless mod states it is required. Mashed up breast node is common problem from wrong skeleton installed you can also see what skeleton is currently loaded by running finis generator and reading the output log.

[vexily]

1 hour ago, RW311 said:

+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended
+SOS - Schlongs of Skyrim - 3.00.004

 

 

move xp32 below sos, also check nothing overwrites skeleton for xp32 unless mod states it is required. Mashed up breast node is common problem from wrong skeleton installed you can also see what skeleton is currently loaded by running finis generator and reading the output log.

the list is inverted for some reason, xp32 is below sos and i have checked and can confirm my game is using the xp32 skeleton, in the past when i had problems due to messing up the load order for the skeleton the problem was present at all times, this time it is only happening when i use showracemenu, as long as i do not bring up that menu everything works flawlessly

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

I would still try RW advice. Move xp32 to bottom and put your more nasty critter below it assuming you have the more update version of that mod. Try those 2 at bottom.

[Grey Cloud]

Nothing to do with your current problem but this probably wont be good:

+SexLab Aroused Creatures SE v04.01

 

And, just out of curiosity, what is this?

+SexLab Aroused Creatures (Tweak)

[vexily]

11 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

Nothing to do with your current problem but this probably wont be good:

+SexLab Aroused Creatures SE v04.01

 

And, just out of curiosity, what is this?

+SexLab Aroused Creatures (Tweak)

the sexlab aroused creatures tweak is to backport the SE version to LE since the SE version has been updated beyond the oldrim version.

 

1 hour ago, Heroine of the Night said:

I would still try RW advice. Move xp32 to bottom and put your more nasty critter below it assuming you have the more update version of that mod. Try those 2 at bottom.

i moved them to the very bottom of the list, and no change, breasts still become inverted/crushed upon opening race menu.

[Grey Cloud]

9 minutes ago, vexily said:

the sexlab aroused creatures tweak is to backport the SE version to LE since the SE version has been updated beyond the oldrim version.

Thanks. I'd not heard of that.

 

If you're happy that it's not  the skeleton then I'd point the finger at this (if it's a hair mod):

14 hours ago, vexily said:

[Dint999] KSH's HDT.esp

 

[vexily]

that was my first thought as well, but i loaded up my other profile i use for another character (near identical load order as the one i showed just minus the {[Dint999] KSH's HDT.esp} and the apocalypse magic and the viceroy robes) and still have the problem in that profile as well, so unless im missing something i think that rules out the hair mod

[Heroine HoneyCrotch]

For fun, go into race menu naked. 

 

Is this possibly dependant on outfit?

[phillout]

This is LE, I know, but I had a similar problem on SE, it was caused by using HDT hair but not generating the collision shape in BodySlide. The symptom was the moment I was switching from HDT to usual hair, the problem was going away.

 

Hope it helps.

[vexily]

4 hours ago, Heroine of the Night said:

For fun, go into race menu naked. 

 

Is this possibly dependant on outfit?

tried that already, also tried going into a small empty cell, changing cells after opening racemenu, saving and loading, another thing i found just a tiny bit ago suggested but can't seem to figure out what i am missing is that its possible the game is changing to the wrong skeleton upon loading racemenu, the solution for that was to rename the skeleton.hkx from skyrims directory but by following the path that was said to follow to find the file, i don't seem to have it... 

 

4 hours ago, phillout said:

This is LE, I know, but I had a similar problem on SE, it was caused by using HDT hair but not generating the collision shape in BodySlide. The symptom was the moment I was switching from HDT to usual hair, the problem was going away.

 

Hope it helps.

as i mentioned above, i feel like i ruled out the hdt hair due to this issue happening on my profile that has no hdt hair installed.

 

 

 

 

edit: also just went and tested more on my alt profile, no hdt hair, went into racemenu naked, saved and quit to desktop and loaded it back up, problem still exists...

[Corsayr]

What version of the XP32 skeleton are you using?

 

That deflated boob thing looks a lot like what happens when using the BHUNP 3BBB body with PE physics and you don't install the 3rd breast bone in a ridged state option. But you are using CBBE in LE so I don't think you would have a 3BBB body, do you? 

 

But if you did you would HAVE to have 4.71 or higher XP32

 

And there may have been an option in your install FOMOD for your body to add the 3rd breast bone for using in PE physics.

 

 

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If that is true

 

The solution is re-run the FOMOD and install that option, or build a TBBP body

[vexily]

2 minutes ago, Corsayr said:

What version of the XP32 skeleton are you using?

i have version 4.67... i did not realize it had been updated beyond that on the nexus, could that be the cause of this problem? even tho i am using a cbbe body?

[Corsayr]

7 minutes ago, vexily said:

i have version 4.67... i did not realize it had been updated beyond that on the nexus, could that be the cause of this problem? even tho i am using a cbbe body?

The question isn't so much the CBBE thing as it is the 3BBB vs TBBP but in either case the most up to date XP32 skeleton is a must have item. ?

[vexily]

alright updated skeleton and ran fnis, still no change, you mentioned it as more of a 3bbb vs tbbp thing, am i clicking the wrong option here perhaps? i thought it would be the first one since i use hdt-pe?

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[Corsayr]

8 minutes ago, vexily said:

alright updated skeleton and ran fnis, still no change, you mentioned it as more of a 3bbb vs tbbp thing, am i clicking the wrong option here perhaps? i thought it would be the first one since i use hdt-pe?

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No that is correct

 

[Corsayr]

Have you ever considered switching the BHUNP? 

 

I just don't know what can be causing the deflation, but I do not know that much about LE CBBE... 

[vexily]

49 minutes ago, Corsayr said:

Have you ever considered switching the BHUNP? 

 

I just don't know what can be causing the deflation, but I do not know that much about LE CBBE... 

im not very up to date on or very savvy on modding, it is almost certainly a fluke that i have managed to get my current load order to be as stable as it is with just the breast deflation issue, so i would be very hesitant to try shaking things up by changing body types at this point, if it turns out that i can't fix this problem its definately something i can live with if need be, as the only real hinderance to me is the inability to change hairstyles if i get bored of my current one