DarkChaoX Posted November 29, 2020 Posted November 29, 2020 When enabling ANY other mods (especially script heavy ones), the game crashes before the main menu So, im by no means new to modding. I have tried everything i could think of, from sorting the load order on my own, making smashed patches (That kept making the crash completely inevitable), wrye bash, Tes5Edit error checking, redoing all merges, checking the skyrim ini files over and over, looking for a possible missing mod or even checking for reference number (which im always keeping below 700k, this time arround being 552k) Please forgive the big load order, and im honestly sorry if i should have done something else to share it. Only way i have known of for the past few years is with LOOT (the copy feature). For the merges i used zEdit and the Mod Manager im using is Mod Organizer 2. Keep in mind this is Skyrim Legendary Edition Only way i knew of to share the merges from zEdit was to post screenshots so im sorry if there was a more efficient way! The mods are NOT deactivated as i was told before they should keep being on after the merge is done. However i made their esp files OPTIONAL on the Mod Organizer. I got nowhere else to get help from and knowing how you guys have helped me before with some serious heavilly skyrim modded issues, im assuming perhaps someone can give me some light here? I have literally hit a modding wall here? Right now im sitting at 250 plugins, with game STILL being playable. However im NOT able to activate ANY other mods. Doing so makes the game immediately crash before the main menu screen shows up. I noticed that certain mods cause the crash to happen with way less mods. Having WARZONES on for example will cause the crash before the 240 plugin limit is reached, while Sexlab Survival wont let the game launch at all at 220 plugins or less. Smashed Patches as well as ASIS patches and TES5Edit patches also cause a crash immediatelly at arround 220 plugins. So load order copied from loot is this: Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm 6 6 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 7 7 Falskaar.esm 8 8 RaceCompatibility.esm 9 9 Heels Sound.esm 10 a hdtHighHeel.esm 11 b Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm 12 c BSAssets.esm 13 d WM Flora Fixes.esp 14 e MagicDuelReborn.esm 15 f GeneralStores.esm 16 10 ApachiiHairFemales.esm 17 11 ApachiiHair.esm 18 12 ApachiiHairMales.esm 19 13 EFFCore.esm 20 14 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp 21 15 Castle Draco's Legendary DLC Edition.esp 22 16 CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 23 17 3DNPC.esp 24 18 Evil Lair of Hydra.esm 25 19 AKSkyrimUnderground.esp 26 1a SkyrimSewers.ESM 27 1b Dwarfsphere.esp 28 1c SMSkyrim.esp 29 1d BSHeartland.esm 30 1e HammetDungeons.esm 31 1f EasierRidersDungeonPack.esp 32 20 OSA.esm 33 21 SexLab.esm 34 22 Devious Devices - Assets.esm 35 23 SexLabAroused.esm 36 24 Campfire.esm 37 25 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 38 26 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 39 27 notice board.esp 40 28 Vigilant.esm 41 29 Gray Fox Cowl.esm 42 2a summersetisles.esp 43 2b daymoyl.esm 44 2c LevelersTower.esm 45 2d MolagBalsInferno.esm 46 2e Devious Devices - Expansion.esm 47 2f AetherSuite.esp 48 30 RE_RealEstate_Core.esp 49 31 RSkyrimChildren.esm 50 32 PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm 51 33 HighResTexturePack01.esp 52 34 HighResTexturePack02.esp 53 35 HighResTexturePack03.esp 54 36 Cutting Room Floor.esp 55 37 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 56 38 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 57 39 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 58 3a Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp 59 3b SkyUI.esp 60 3c DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp 61 3d halfdragonrace.esp 62 3e KS Hairdos - HDT.esp 63 3f RaceMenu.esp 64 40 RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp 65 41 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 66 42 SGEyebrows.esp 67 43 SOSRaceMenu.esp 68 44 XPMSE.esp 69 45 FacelightPlus.esp 70 46 SexLabDefeat.esp 71 47 SLAnimLoader.esp 72 48 Customizable Camera.esp 73 49 KS Hairdo's.esp 74 4a Nemesis PCEA.esp 75 4b Destructible Skyrim.esp 76 4c Chaos Pack A.esp 77 4d SleepingDangers-SandsofTime.esp 78 4e Disparity.esp 79 4f RealisticRoomRental.esp 80 50 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp 81 51 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp 82 52 WetandCold.esp 83 53 Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp 84 54 immersivemerchants.esp 85 55 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp 86 56 Rebirth Monster.esp 87 57 Helgen Reborn.esp 88 58 RealisticWaterTwo.esp 89 59 AOS.esp 90 5a Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp 91 5b Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp 92 5c DeadlySpellImpacts.esp 93 5d WetandCold - Ashes.esp 94 5e HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp 95 5f iHUD.esp 96 60 WM_WidgetMod.esp 97 61 FISS.esp 98 62 AMatterOfTime.esp 99 63 Bishu Osafune-ju Morikage.esp 100 64 UIExtensions.esp 101 65 AddItemMenuLE.esp 102 66 hmkLockOn.esp 103 67 3PCO.esp 104 68 GoToBed.esp 105 69 EatingSleepingDrinking.esp 106 6a iEquip.esp 107 6b SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp 108 6c Realistic AI Detection 2 - High Interior, High Exterior.esp 109 6d JaxonzRenamer.esp 110 6e Animated Dragon Wings.esp 111 6f Animated Featherd wings.esp 112 70 GreatWarSkyrim.esp 113 71 SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp 114 72 Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp 115 73 Undeath.esp 116 74 DwemerColosseum.esp 117 75 ChaoX Pack B.esp 118 76 RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp 119 77 Ambriel.esp 120 78 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp 121 79 Rebirth Monster - SIC Patch.esp 122 7a S3_REMASTERED.esp 123 7b OBIS.esp 124 7c Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp 125 7d SimplyKnock.esp 126 7e TradeBarter.esp 127 7f Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp 128 80 RE_RealEstate.esp 129 81 MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp 130 82 marriagemod - alpha v3.esp 131 83 ZIA_Complete Pack.esp 132 84 Personalized Music v 6.0.esp 133 85 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp 134 86 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp 135 87 SMIM-Merged-All.esp 136 88 SkyrimUnhinged.esp 137 89 Animallica.esp 138 8a zMirai.esp 139 8b RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp 140 8c prettypotions.esp 141 8d Better Vampires.esp 142 8e SeranaDialogAddon.esp 143 8f SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp 144 90 Races Pack Merge.esp 145 91 DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp 146 92 ChaosDragons.esp 147 93 fallentreebridges.esp 148 94 Immersive Wenches.esp 149 95 flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp 150 96 Clockwork.esp 151 97 Arcanum.esp 152 98 Hunterborn.esp 153 99 NewArmoury.esp 154 9a DeadlyDragons.esp 155 9b konahrik_accoutrements.esp 156 9c Frostfall.esp 157 9d SofiaFollower.esp 158 9e Celestials.esp 159 9f LupineWerewolfPerkExpansion.esp 160 a0 Fossilsyum.esp 161 a1 Playable Monster Mod.esp 162 a2 xamnant.esp 163 a3 Hateful Wenches.esp 164 a4 Tools of Kagrenac.esp 165 a5 KNM_Mour.esp 166 a6 Recorder Follower Base.esp 167 a7 WheelsOfLull.esp 168 a8 Tower Watch.esp 169 a9 Darkend.esp 170 aa BadGremlinsJarHunt.esp 171 ab Haem Projects Basalt.esp 172 ac ForgottenCity.esp 173 ad BGtheCapturedFairies.esp 174 ae daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp 175 af SkyrimReputation_S2011.esp 176 b0 Missives.esp 177 b1 Spellsword.esp 178 b2 darkproject.esp 179 b3 Naruto Overhaul.esp 180 b4 UchihaClan.esp 181 b5 Haem Projects Tel Mos.esp 182 b6 Magic of the Magna-Ge.esp 183 b7 DrunkenDragon.esp 184 b8 Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp 185 b9 konahrik_accoutrements_db.esp 186 ba Tainted_Blood.esp 187 bb BGsomethingFishy.esp 188 bc Anime Spells Mods.esp 189 bd Vampirelordroyal.esp 190 be BGtrophyHeads.esp 191 bf Haem Projects Hermits Stump.esp 192 c0 Ravengate.esp 193 c1 Cannabis.esp 194 c2 Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp 195 c3 Hermit.esp 196 c4 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp 197 c5 AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp 198 c6 SpellswordApocalypse.esp 199 c7 Forgotten Wenches.esp 200 c8 Judgment Wenches.esp 201 c9 Deadly Wenches.esp 202 ca RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp 203 cb zzEstrus.esp 204 cc UltimateDragons.esp 205 cd Watercolor_for_ENB_RWT.esp 206 ce ChargeOrFill.esp 207 cf Cinematic Dragon Soul Absorbtion.esp 208 d0 Natural Lighting Vivid Atmospherics.esp 209 d1 Nightbringer.esp 210 d2 Seductress Serana.esp 211 d3 ContinueGameNoCrash.esp 212 d4 Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp 213 d5 Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp 214 d6 FNIS.esp 215 d7 SkyHUD.esp 216 d8 TKDodge.esp 217 d9 RSChildren.esp 218 da RSChildren Patch - USLEEP.esp 219 db RSChildren Playable.esp 220 dc NorthernGrass.esp 221 dd ReAnimate.esp 222 de Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp 223 df Chaox Merge 3.esp 224 e0 EFFDialogue.esp 225 e1 Immersive Weapons.esp 226 e2 DSer360MovementBehavior.esp 227 e3 DeadlyCombat.esp 228 e4 UltimateCombat.esp 229 e5 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp 230 e6 P1FlyingRing.esp 231 e7 Haem Projects Shalidor.esp 232 e8 StrangeRunes.esp 233 e9 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp 234 ea Scribe.esp 235 eb Remodeled Armor.esp 236 ec Instant Merchant.esp 237 ed Schlongs of Skyrim.esp 238 ee Immersive Speechcraft.esp 239 ef Spellsiphon.esp 240 f0 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp 241 f1 mslDeviousCaptures.esp 242 f2 RDO - CACO Patch.esp 243 f3 RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp 244 f4 RDO - Cutting Room Floor Patch.esp 245 f5 CannabisUpdate.esp 246 f6 OBISDB.esp 247 f7 Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp 248 f8 Patches Merged Complete.esp 249 f9 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp The merges are as follows (the last merge caused the crash since it included the Sexlab Survival mod thus i had to deactivate it so pay no mind to it) : Spoiler
gregathit Posted November 29, 2020 Posted November 29, 2020 Note, the 255 limit is a maximum. For some folks it can be as low as 200 (or even less). The number of mods is based on your system. Also, you have counted esp/esm/bsa files even if they are not being used correct? Anything in the data folder, enabled or not goes towards that total. Also, merging content with scripts can cause massive problems. Just as a quick check, try disabling 20 or so mods, start a new game and see if you have the same issues. You can find your upper limit of mods allowed using this method.....if you have patience to do so (I damn sure would not).
MonVert Posted November 29, 2020 Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, gregathit said: Anything in the data folder, enabled or not goes towards that total. No, it doesn't? ?BSAs have nothing to do with ESP/M files; they are just archives that do nothing unless their respective ESP/M is active. If inactive they are just packed files and nothing more. If a smashed patch is causing him to crash, regardless of load order, there is a good chance a bad record is being smashed into it, or something the game isn't handling correctly.
alex77r4 Posted November 29, 2020 Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, DarkChaoX said: checking for reference number (which im always keeping below 700k, this time arround being 552k) Do you know the limit of 1 million active references? If not, open Tes5Edit and mark some of the big mods as masters changing the header of the ESP. If yes, mark more big mods as masters like LegacyoftheDragonborn, MrissiTailOfTroubles or Undeath. Inclusively, you can try mark some of yours merges as masters. Seems that the script used to count the references not catch all the problematic records types and some special installations with a lot of merges can crash with less than 500k references reported by the script.
DarkChaoX Posted November 29, 2020 Author Posted November 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, alex77r4 said: Do you know the limit of 1 million active references? If not, open Tes5Edit and mark some of the big mods as masters changing the header of the ESP. If yes, mark more big mods as masters like LegacyoftheDragonborn, MrissiTailOfTroubles or Undeath. Inclusively, you can try mark some of yours merges as masters. Seems that the script used to count the references not catch all the problematic records types and some special installations with a lot of merges can crash with less than 500k references reported by the script. I had no idea about it crashing below 500k to be honest! I will try turning more mods (safely) into esms. I did know about the 1 million limit (thus why i mentioned it) but i didnt know there could be crashes before that to be honest. I once had crashes at arround 800k thus i kept it under 700k at all times, but i had no idea it could be an issue now! Looking into it asap
DarkChaoX Posted November 29, 2020 Author Posted November 29, 2020 30 minutes ago, alex77r4 said: Seems that the script used to count the references not catch all the problematic records types and some special installations with a lot of merges can crash with less than 500k references reported by the script. This actually seems to be the case! Made loads of files into esm using wrye bash after checking with the Tes5Edit script and after reducing it to 300k, the game loads just fine again! Idk why it would crash at 550k but it did the trick. Thank you so much!
alex77r4 Posted November 29, 2020 Posted November 29, 2020 1 hour ago, DarkChaoX said: This actually seems to be the case! Made loads of files into esm using wrye bash after checking with the Tes5Edit script and after reducing it to 300k, the game loads just fine again! Idk why it would crash at 550k but it did the trick. Thank you so much! Now you must revise and remake your conflict resolution patch because sure the overwrites have changed. The script only count records of type REFR, ACHR and PHZD. The limit of 1 million of references must be affected by others record types but nobody knows what they are. The only way to start Skyrim with more than 3k mods is mark practically all the ESP's as masters, inclusive the merges. Additionally, i see you have some dangerous mods: GotoBed = Be sure you are using the new version released in 2019. The version from 2015 break the game. Wenches = Save Game Bloat. You only can use Immersive Wenches. The Save Game Bloat is caused by Deadly, Forgotten, Hateful and Judgment. The size of my save increase constantly every day, up to 65 MB, until i remove it.
DarkChaoX Posted November 30, 2020 Author Posted November 30, 2020 19 hours ago, alex77r4 said: Now you must revise and remake your conflict resolution patch because sure the overwrites have changed. The script only count records of type REFR, ACHR and PHZD. The limit of 1 million of references must be affected by others record types but nobody knows what they are. The only way to start Skyrim with more than 3k mods is mark practically all the ESP's as masters, inclusive the merges. Additionally, i see you have some dangerous mods: GotoBed = Be sure you are using the new version released in 2019. The version from 2015 break the game. Wenches = Save Game Bloat. You only can use Immersive Wenches. The Save Game Bloat is caused by Deadly, Forgotten, Hateful and Judgment. The size of my save increase constantly every day, up to 65 MB, until i remove it. Thanks for the dangerous mods part as i had no idea about the wenches mods! For GotoBed, i already am using the 2019 so i think thats good!
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