Skaballas Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 I recently started experiencing this problem where my character has flat breasts. I'm using CBBE Curvy, and my NPCs all have the correct shapes, only my character does not. Also does not matter whether she has clothes on or nor, the issue remains. After spending quite some time searching for solutions, I am still not closer to solving this. As far as I can tell, the general consensus is that it is a skeleton issue. I have reinstalled XP32MSE, and I've double, and triple checked that nothing overwrites it (see attached load order). I also reverted back to older versions of XP32MSE, in case the newest version (4.72) was the issue... I have run FNIS, with no errors. I have reinstalled SOS also, as per some post's suggestion. I've checked HDT-PE for updates. As far as possible, I went back to each mod page to see if I missed something, but I can't see anything wrong... I'm at wit's end about this... It is super frustrating, and I'm really, really close to just deleting Skyrim and all my mods... If somebody else came across the same issue, and found a solution, please be kind enough to share... 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Grey Cloud Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Assuming that FNIS output says this Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) I would guess that: 1. your PC is using a different preset than the NPCs or 2. The breast sliders of the PC have been moved. Have you looked in RM and tried to move the breast sliders? In game, open console type showracemenu
Skaballas Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Assuming that FNIS output says this Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) I would guess that: 1. your PC is using a different preset than the NPCs or 2. The breast sliders of the PC have been moved. Have you looked in RM and tried to move the breast sliders? In game, open console type showracemenu Yes, 126 bones for both male and female in FNIS. Ticked boxes for "Skeleton Arm Fix" and "GENDER Specific Animations" only. I don't see how my character can have different body settings than NPCs, although I'm not saying this is not the case. But I never mess around with body scales and sizes when creating my characters. Also - I went to RaceMenu to check the sliders. Actually even changed the left side to maximum, and the right side to minimum, but nothing happened. Sigh.... Screenshots below... Spoiler Spoiler
Grey Cloud Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Skaballas said: Screenshots below... That's not your CBBE sliders. Have you got the CBBE equivalents of this in your LO? 18 12 RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp 19 13 RaceMenu.esp 20 14 RaceMenuPlugin.esp The CBBE sliders will one of the first tabs/headers in RM. 6 minutes ago, Skaballas said: I don't see how my character can have different body settings than NPCs, Maybe an outfit changed it?
RW311 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Post finis log, even if it says right skeleton installed something is wrong with your setup if the body scales don't work, those should work even if you don't enable morphs. Something with patches checked I think is not right.
Skaballas Posted September 9, 2020 Author Posted September 9, 2020 5 hours ago, RW311 said: Post finis log, even if it says right skeleton installed something is wrong with your setup if the body scales don't work, those should work even if you don't enable morphs. Something with patches checked I think is not right. It hasn't really changed since I started modding Skyrim earlier this year. Spoiler FNIS Behavior V7.6 2020/09/09 23:15:01 Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - C:\Games\Skyrim - Legendary Edition\ Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Installing FNIS PCEA2 Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... Reading AnubsHuman V1.0 ... Reading ArousedSexyIdles V?.? ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... Reading dcc-display-model-2 V102 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... Reading DDC V1.2 ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... Reading Defeat V5 ... Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.35 ... Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.6 ... Reading FNISSpells V5.0.1 ... Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V1.3 ... Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... Reading HAnimations V1.4.0 ... Reading HCOSBestiality V1.0 ... Reading HCOSVore V1.0 ... Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ... Reading KomAnimSBT V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading PAHE V5 ... Reading PsycheAnimation V1.0 ... Reading PsycheCreature V1.0 ... Reading SexLab V?.? ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V?.? ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ... Reading zzEstrus V2.50 ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files.... 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\male 19 GENDER modifications for Animations\female Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 76 total groups: 246 added file slots: 2397 alternate files: 1705 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading HCOSWildlife V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading HCOSBestiality V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V?.? ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading HCOSVore V1.0 ... Reading PsycheCreature V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... 9482 animations for 50 mods successfully included (character). 3261 animations for 13 mods and 45 creatures successfully included..
Grey Cloud Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Your RM CBBE Morphs sliders will look like this
RW311 Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Skaballas said: It hasn't really changed since I started modding Skyrim earlier this year. Reveal hidden contents FNIS Behavior V7.6 2020/09/09 23:15:01 Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - C:\Games\Skyrim - Legendary Edition\ Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (126 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Installing FNIS PCEA2 Reading AnimationsByLeito V1.0 ... Reading AnubsHuman V1.0 ... Reading ArousedSexyIdles V?.? ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_HumanDD V1.0 ... Reading dcc-display-model-2 V102 ... Reading DD V4.0.0 ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ... Reading DDC V1.2 ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... Reading Defeat V5 ... Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.35 ... Reading FNISBase V7.6 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V7.6 ... Reading FNISSpells V5.0.1 ... Reading FNIS_PCEA2 V1.3 ... Reading FunnyBizAmp V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBeastly V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizBound V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizFun V12.0 ... Reading FunnyBizGroup V8.0 ... Reading FunnyBizLover V7.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMolag V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizNecro V10.0 ... Reading FunnyBizRape V11.0 ... Reading FunnyBizUn V12.0 ... Reading HAnimations V1.4.0 ... Reading HCOSBestiality V1.0 ... Reading HCOSVore V1.0 ... Reading ITortureFramework V1.00 ... Reading KomAnimSBT V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading PAHE V5 ... Reading PsycheAnimation V1.0 ... Reading PsycheCreature V1.0 ... Reading SexLab V?.? ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V?.? ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack+ V8.00 ... Reading zzEstrus V2.50 ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files.... 18 GENDER modifications for Animations\male 19 GENDER modifications for Animations\female Alternate Animation mods: 7 sets: 76 total groups: 246 added file slots: 2397 alternate files: 1705 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading Billyy_CreatureConstructs V1.0 ... Reading HCOSWildlife V1.0 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureBeasts V1.0 ... Reading HCOSBestiality V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V?.? ... Reading Billyy_CreatureHumanoids V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureFurniture V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureInsects V1.0 ... Reading Billyy_CreatureMisc V1.0 ... Reading HCOSVore V1.0 ... Reading PsycheCreature V1.0 ... Reading FunnyBizMC V1.0 ... 9482 animations for 50 mods successfully included (character). 3261 animations for 13 mods and 45 creatures successfully included.. Ya, that looks normal. So have you removed any mods especially armor or anything acting on the player? Remove everything even all inventory items and check your pc in console, do you have some attached effect or item/armor.
blank_v Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 Body Scales and Body Morphs... two different things... there are also Body Sizes... its not good idea to have Body Scales and Body Sizes together xD They are fighting each other... and if u change for example hands in Body Scales and fingers in body sizes and then reload your game fingers will be crazy big and hands tiny :o... like Gray dick Anywaa... how to help with ur sexy hot body ❤️ 1. Start new game plz... You don't have to play new game but start it and check body... 2. Plz build body from new in BodySlide ( and also check Build Morphs ) 3. ... well... its making short way... but... Maybe just try this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/101070?tab=files&file_id=1000312601 I was using it long time ago... and i think it has "Reset everything button" just use that button and let us know it would be also nice if u tell us WHEN this bug appear?... You were doing / installing something to your game?... //Edit: ofc. reset button work only on body shape
MorePrinniesDood Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Skaballas said: KS Hairdo's.esp If you're using the HDT hairdos in the KS pack, you may need an updated HDT XML for boob physics to work right. It's the optional download file here.
Skaballas Posted September 10, 2020 Author Posted September 10, 2020 8 hours ago, TobiaszPL said: Body Scales and Body Morphs... two different things... there are also Body Sizes... its not good idea to have Body Scales and Body Sizes together xD They are fighting each other... and if u change for example hands in Body Scales and fingers in body sizes and then reload your game fingers will be crazy big and hands tiny :o... like Gray dick Anywaa... how to help with ur sexy hot body ❤️ 1. Start new game plz... You don't have to play new game but start it and check body... 2. Plz build body from new in BodySlide ( and also check Build Morphs ) 3. ... well... its making short way... but... Maybe just try this mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/101070?tab=files&file_id=1000312601 I was using it long time ago... and i think it has "Reset everything button" just use that button and let us know it would be also nice if u tell us WHEN this bug appear?... You were doing / installing something to your game?... //Edit: ofc. reset button work only on body shape Ok, I understand about body scales and body sizes. Point is that I've never changed those. I've always been quite content with the CBBE Curvy body. This started happening a while ago, but randomly, as far as I can tell. It got to a point where I uninstalled Skyrim, deleted all my saved games, except for my vanilla save just as you exit Helgen for the first time, and also deleted anything and everything Skyrim related also... That means Vortex, Wryebash, LOOT... Everything... Did a clean install about a week ago, and currently I'm on 26 hours of gameplay, and this pops up again. It was fine for quite some time... No mods added since the install, I was done and happily roaming Skyrim, causing all sorts of havoc... Thing is, I don't quite understand why it would simply change after some time. As far as I can tell, it's random after a while... First time it happened I thought it was because of a mod, because I was occasionally adding mods on my previous installation, without any obvious hiccups, except, of course, for this... That's why I did a complete clean game and mod install once, and took the gameplay from there... So I added the Janky Sliders mod, and hit that reset button hard... Seems like that actually sorted out my problem... Looks like even Illia is jealous now that my character has her breasts back.. I'll log a few hours this weekend, and keep an eye out to see if it pops up again... Thank you so much for helping, I really appreciate it... Spoiler 3 hours ago, MorePrinniesDood said: If you're using the HDT hairdos in the KS pack, you may need an updated HDT XML for boob physics to work right. It's the optional download file here. I don't think I am using HDT hair, but of course I could be wrong on that as well. Thank you for that link - I have downloaded it and if my problem persists, I will try it out. For now, though, it seems the reset with the previous suggest mod has done the job. Thank you still, for helping.
Veladarius Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 My experiences with flat breasts is a difference between the newer skeletons meant for the HDT body being used with older TBBP bodies and armor. I have a number of mods (TERA armors for CBBE HDT in particular) where the breasts are flattened and look pushed apart. Part of this may be that these armors were originally UNP or UUNP and converted to CBBE HDT and were not updated. I have been replacing all of my older TBBP armors with HDT versions (newer versions built on the newer skeletons don't have the issue) and this has corrected the issues on older armors though finding updated TBBP or HDT versions has been difficult at times particularly when trying to replace armor collections as I find one or two armors here and there. Currently I have about 1200 armors (mostly collections, several are remakes of standard armors and I have to choose what version I want to use) and I am down to a few armor sets I am still looking to replace (old TBBP armors with flat breasts, armors set to 1 for weight at all times and armors with no belly nodes). One way to check this is if your base body has the issue (especially if it is a custom race) replace the body with the HDT body and see if this fixes the issue. If so then it is a matter of finding new versions of the armors. Another possibility (if you don't want to hunt down armors and use all TBBP armors is to find an older skeleton version made for TBBP (though some mods require the HDT skeleton). You can see if replacing the skeleton with an older version fixes this issue as well. Lastly, if you are using DD or DCUR disable the options for it to control the breast nodes as this will flatten the breasts so they don't stick out of the bra as there are instances where the breasts don't return to their original shape.
RW311 Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Veladarius said: Lastly, if you are using DD or DCUR disable the options for it to control the breast nodes as this will flatten the breasts so they don't stick out of the bra as there are instances where the breasts don't return to their original shape. This sounds very likely. Something edits pc nioverride data, and then blocks it from updating so sliders fail to work.
blank_v Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Skaballas said: That means Vortex, Wryebash, LOOT... Everything... plz, don't use Vortex and Nexus Mod Manager... if You really need help with Mod instalation its better if u ask sm1 who did it good or use good Mod Manager only one Good Mod Manager is MO ( Mod Organizer ) You can join here: https://discord.gg/CDkcv22 and always ask if u need something :)... 1 hour ago, Skaballas said: Thing is, I don't quite understand why it would simply change after some time. As far a.... You can see all active scripts and instances in Your saved game with Save Tools if You know for what You are looking its always easy to fix :)... Here is example: Spoiler All things with "QLG" in name are mine and i can easly fix my errors ^_^ You can ofc. see here other mods and things... and fix them for example, if something happens in You game every for example "24" game hours You should check update scripts 1 hour ago, Skaballas said: So I added the Janky Sliders mod, and hit that reset button hard... Seems like that actually sorted out my problem... Looks like even Illia is jealous now that my character has her breasts back.. I'll log a few hours this weekend, and keep an eye out to see if it pops up again... Thank you so much for helping, I really appreciate it... np. ^_^ if it show up again You should download SaveTools and clear your save :x... some idiot modders don't know how to make scripts :3... he he he xD Here You can download Save Tools: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/? I recomend You to have everything in Tools folder ( by default made by FNIS )
Skaballas Posted September 10, 2020 Author Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Veladarius said: My experiences with flat breasts is a difference between the newer skeletons meant for the HDT body being used with older TBBP bodies and armor. I have a number of mods (TERA armors for CBBE HDT in particular) where the breasts are flattened and look pushed apart. Part of this may be that these armors were originally UNP or UUNP and converted to CBBE HDT and were not updated. I have been replacing all of my older TBBP armors with HDT versions (newer versions built on the newer skeletons don't have the issue) and this has corrected the issues on older armors though finding updated TBBP or HDT versions has been difficult at times particularly when trying to replace armor collections as I find one or two armors here and there. Currently I have about 1200 armors (mostly collections, several are remakes of standard armors and I have to choose what version I want to use) and I am down to a few armor sets I am still looking to replace (old TBBP armors with flat breasts, armors set to 1 for weight at all times and armors with no belly nodes). One way to check this is if your base body has the issue (especially if it is a custom race) replace the body with the HDT body and see if this fixes the issue. If so then it is a matter of finding new versions of the armors. Another possibility (if you don't want to hunt down armors and use all TBBP armors is to find an older skeleton version made for TBBP (though some mods require the HDT skeleton). You can see if replacing the skeleton with an older version fixes this issue as well. Lastly, if you are using DD or DCUR disable the options for it to control the breast nodes as this will flatten the breasts so they don't stick out of the bra as there are instances where the breasts don't return to their original shape. That is something I've been struggling to find - decent armor sets... I have TERA installed, yeah, but actually almost never use it... The absolute best armor sets I've ever seen was published here on LL a couple of months ago, but they rely on SMP, and I gave up trying to get SMP to work on LE - which is truly a pity... Be as it may - if possible, mind sharing some armor sets I can get my hands on? DeserterX's armors are damn nice, but you can't enchant every piece, and I rename when I enchant so I can keep everything together... So I gave up on those too... Here are all the mods I have (not installed, just stuff I've tried in the past), and honestly, I don't like most of these... Spoiler I did check TERA armors quick and now that you mention it, I did notice they shrink the breasts a bit underneath... So I'll definitely be looking out for similar issues in the future, if I find any new armor or clothing... In fact, I'm going to remove TERA armors from my game anyway... I also checked DCUR and DD, and in both cases, the node management was disable, for both breasts and belly... So not the issue... Quote plz, don't use Vortex and Nexus Mod Manager... if You really need help with Mod instalation its better if u ask sm1 who did it good or use good Mod Manager only one Good Mod Manager is MO ( Mod Organizer ) You can join here: https://discord.gg/CDkcv22 and always ask if u need something :)... I get that MO was first, and I can see how people will who are used to it, will not want to use other stuff. But honestly, I started modding around the beginning of this year, and I have been using Vortex from the start, and I really don't see what the issue is with it. I haven't had any issues with Vortex at all... Actually, since it uses LOOT's masterlists to sort mods, it saves me that time as well... For all mods I install, it's Vortex, then TES5Edit, then Wryebash, then FNIS... Bodyslide if it's a clothing or armor mod... Oh yeah - and I do use ReSaver to clear scripts when I remove a mod, but I try to avoid that as far as I can...
Skaballas Posted September 10, 2020 Author Posted September 10, 2020 Ok, I actually think I know what went wrong now, thanks to all the information supplied here... And although I don't like to admit it really, turns out it was an ID 10 T error ? So I ran Bodyslide as I should, but now, armed with new knowledge about HDT conflicts, I paid very close attention to my Bodyslide options... And I believe the problem was with ChronoTrigger77's Remodeled Armor mod... See, it gives options for example, for Daedric Armor, and Daedric Armor HALF HDT... This bright spark selected the half HDT option, each time, out of habit... Not sure what I was thinking, but in game my armors and clothing affected by this mod looked a bit wonky, especially around the chest area, but who stops for a chat with Ysolda and to measure her breasts when a dragon managed to get into Whiterun, right? Again, a tremendous thank you to all of you who took the time to actually read and reply to this thread... Really appreciate it! Spoiler
Skaballas Posted September 10, 2020 Author Posted September 10, 2020 I definitely spoke to soon... A couple of hours later, and at least I kinda have it narrowed down... The issue persists, but it is not random... It sneaks in just as a sexlab animation begins... I have so far disable all animations except for the sexlab default animations, but it keeps happening... Using Janky sliders will reset the issue, but only when I move to another cell... I go into an animation like this : Spoiler And just before the animation begins, this happens... Spoiler I have so far disabled all the animations I added, and only have Sexlab's default animations active... I do also have Horny Creatures and More Nasty Critters animations, but I disabled their animations in SLAL... It didn't help... I have no idea where to look next...
Grey Cloud Posted September 10, 2020 Posted September 10, 2020 I don't use CBBE so I can't be sure on this but the gel in the boots (NPC?) looks like CBBE, the gel with the blue hair (PC) does not. This would suggest that either you have tweaked the PC or you are using a custom race for your PC. I'm not convinced that you have Bodyslide installed correctly. You should have a CBBE equivalent of this esp - RaceMenuMorphsUUNP.esp in your plug-ins. It may be me but I can't see it. The problem is not with the animations. The simplest thing to do at this stage is to start a new game without all the DD and other sex mods. Once you are satisfied that the breasts are behaving correctly then add the minimum of mods to get sex acts going and then work your way up from there until the issue returns. You don't have to uninstall the mods, deactivating will do it. You do have to start a new game though.
Veladarius Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 I have several armor sets that replace various standard armors and clothes (I mix them somewhat) and some other armor collections (ones like Immersive Armors) but most of the armors I use with my character are all ones I have collected individually from various sites, check them out in game and ones I like I will combine them into a single mod. In NMM (I use an old version - 0.56.1) and it shows 517 active mods with 241 active plugins (plus some more that are merged using wrye bash) and some of the mods I have installed are over 6 years old (last time I did a full reinstall was 6 years ago due to a drive failure). A number of these mods are the bodyslide files from the individual mods. As for the issue with your character it may seem an obvious thing but make sure Sexlab is not set to use nude suits. Also, do you use HDT hairs? If so you may need to update or fix the physics file as some older versions had the hair and breasts interfering with each other (though this would be visible with any HDT armor).
Andy14 Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 The problem occurs when no (i.e. all 0) or an incorrect center of gravity is set for the rigids (breast etc.) in hdt-xml. With sphere shapes, the calculation of the center of gravity on the x, y, and z-axis is always 0.0 This must be set manually. y must be positive and z must be negative. The value depends on the radius of the shape. But y 2 to 4 and z -2 to -4 should always work in general. The x values should be negative (when using angular z and y) for the left side and positive for the right side. If several hdt xml are used at the same time (hair e.g.) then the breast etc. should only be declared as a keyframe in the hair_hdt.xml and the group assignment should correspond exactly to the main_hdt.xml. Also take a look at joins in contrains and angular x.
Skaballas Posted September 11, 2020 Author Posted September 11, 2020 So not to get too excited here, but I think I actually did solve the problem now... Knowing now that it is skeleton related, and that something was messing with the nodes, I started removing mods I thought might be related, one by one, then checking to see if the problem persists, since I could replicate it without fail... I was running a mod titled "Dripping when aroused", and as soon as I removed it, my character's breasts made it all the way through a sexlab animation without changing... Loved the mod for the breathing effect when arousal got high, but I can live without it... I really, really hope this is it... 6 hours ago, Veladarius said: I have several armor sets that replace various standard armors and clothes (I mix them somewhat) and some other armor collections (ones like Immersive Armors) but most of the armors I use with my character are all ones I have collected individually from various sites, check them out in game and ones I like I will combine them into a single mod. In NMM (I use an old version - 0.56.1) and it shows 517 active mods with 241 active plugins (plus some more that are merged using wrye bash) and some of the mods I have installed are over 6 years old (last time I did a full reinstall was 6 years ago due to a drive failure). A number of these mods are the bodyslide files from the individual mods. As for the issue with your character it may seem an obvious thing but make sure Sexlab is not set to use nude suits. Also, do you use HDT hairs? If so you may need to update or fix the physics file as some older versions had the hair and breasts interfering with each other (though this would be visible with any HDT armor). I actually did check the nude suits - it was switched off, but thought I'd see what happens when I switched it on - and the bodies disappeared... Hahaha!!
Veladarius Posted September 11, 2020 Posted September 11, 2020 If you are looking for armor there are a number of good mods on LL and Nexus but also check this post for links to other sites (I picked up a number from these sites myself):
Skaballas Posted September 11, 2020 Author Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Veladarius said: If you are looking for armor there are a number of good mods on LL and Nexus but also check this post for links to other sites (I picked up a number from these sites myself): Thanks! But I think the main problem with armor and clothing is that I have CBBE bodies... I should just do a reinstall and go with UNP... There is a lot more armor and clothing for UNP bodies... Like... A LOT more... Actually, I should just upgrade my rig and move over to SE so I can do SMP clothing too...
Veladarius Posted September 12, 2020 Posted September 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Skaballas said: Thanks! But I think the main problem with armor and clothing is that I have CBBE bodies... I should just do a reinstall and go with UNP... There is a lot more armor and clothing for UNP bodies... Like... A LOT more... Actually, I should just upgrade my rig and move over to SE so I can do SMP clothing too... If the majority of armors you want to use are UNP then go with that body, I'm not someone that will say this body is better than that one just use which ever one that goes with the stuff you want to use. You will have to change the body and body textures but that isn't hard to do. At one time I had a set of everything for UNP/UNPB and a set for CBBE before bodyslide came out. Probably 75% of armors/clothing is available in either body though you may have to go looking for conversions (quality varies though).
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