Made a mess with skeletons and now everything's wrong

[LongDukDong]

41 minutes ago, dwharper34 said:

"I HAVE NO GREETING"

Oh for pity *@%^ sake, the dreaded No Greeting issue.  That happens when the NPC is supposed to have a specific quest related greeting and it doesn't exit.  This from issues between plugins (like if certain values don't get triggered when crossing between Tamriel and the Shivering isles), or if a greeting is meant for a specific race (not having the right Chocolate Elf mod installed when running Bravil Underground).  Greeting is precarious.  And who the hell is Fergus?

Waaait.  Is he an NPC from Sexvilion that you turned off or something? He shouldn't even EXIST then!  That would do it.

 

41 minutes ago, dwharper34 said:

Do you think I should start a new game now?

Um, yeah.   Honestly, when you change mods to this extent... that's kinda important.  Some mods have features that let you 'reset and erase data' prior to uninstall. But if not, a new game is necessary.

[dwharper34]

Fergus was going to be a stallion for my multiple female companions, including Vilja who it turns out is his sister. I just installed Fergus recently and he's not affiliated with Sexlivion, but all of the CM Female Companions had Sexlivion tags. This caused Sexlivion to be added as Master to each of their ESP files, which I had to remove to be able to uninstall Sexlivion. I had Sexlivion along with the females and almost everything else installed about five years ago. I just added LAPF and I really like it.

 

Do you think restarting the game would help the No Greeting issue?

 

Is there a script that can be stopped to end the animations as a work around?

 

Your help is sure appreciated!

 

[LongDukDong]

Whenever there is a serious change... mainly the removal of mods used in-game (like Werewolf: The Awakening, Tamago/Hiyoko, Sexlivion)...  the in-game data may change dramatically, there would be a very high chance of a fresh game being required.  The only savegames I keep around are those without said dependencies like my "Angelina - Argonoid", "Camilla - Carrier" (seen in TamagoHiyoko recently), all without any outside content but their own personal requirements.

 

In another folder, I have a 'Data' folder that only has Oblivion, Shivering Isles, and a few others PRIOR to installation of LAPF.  It has a Mod Order file so I can quickly reinstall Oblivion fresh the way I like it by erasing my current Data folder and drag/drop/copy this in in place.   It's a cheat.... but a good cheat.  Always follow the Mod Order!!!!!!

 

As for the No Greeting issue, I take it that Fergus is the one with the problem. and he may have some dependency.  I had installed mods that were CM dependent.  While removing said dependencies, I had issues with them with No Greetings too... more work on THEM was required as it was not the fault of Oblivion.  I was just how they were made.

 

Default greetings are typically quest dependent, and are also keyed to the speaker's race.  The list of gneric GREETINGS within Oblivion will have greetings for Argonians, Bretons, Imperials, and so on.  Create a new race (for example), and not include a greeting... and *boom*.  But make  a brand new race and set up the race's speech to use Imperial dialog, and that would 'normally' fix the greet.  I say normally, but nothing is perfect,.....

 

As to the animation freeze...  I am at a loss, except to wonder if it was because you are attempting to use it with a savegame that was made while you had Sexlivion and/or incompatible NPCs that may have NoGreetings issues (such as above).

 

 

[dwharper34]

OK Today I am in the newest game, with no save games from any earlier installation. Earlier today, I had the setting set to 1 (Jump Key, Automatic if being raped). I changed the duration for masturbate from 9999 seconds to 30 seconds. I found that masturbate with the original and with the new settings never ended. I also found that using the sleep sex spell was not stepping through stages and also was not ending. So I switched the setting to Automatic. (Default) 0 (Automatic). I didn't know how long I had before the setting was turned back off, so I tried the Sleep Sex again and this time it worked normally. I tried it several more times and they all worked fine.

 

With automatic still on, I was able to have sex with three partners, each several times. I had no trouble for about an hour when Fergus had the no greeting error. I had to go back to an earlier save. I have had several other characters with the no greeting error too, just not today. It was several minutes after this when the patch switched the progessoin settings back to 1 (Jump Key, Automatic if being raped). After that I had all of the problems I complained about earlier!

 

I also had a bad position that in the console had one line for the animation, with motions from earlier animations above: "Lovers: 16_Motion Ready." Also what is causing their bright faces?

 

The problem for me is not being able to use the Automatic mode. Why can't I leave it on? That was what was working for me before and I don't think I even tried the other modes. The other modes are great for alignments, but not for finishing the cum stages and ending the animation. Please help me resolve this! Thanks again for your help!

 

 

Load Order:

 

GameMode=Oblivion

Oblivion.esm=1
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm=1
All Natural Base.esm=1
Cobl Main.esm=1
DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm=1
CM Partners.esm=1
DKImperials.esm=1
Lovers with PK.esm=1
LoversCreature.esm=1
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp=1
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp=1
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp=0
DLCShiveringIsles.esp=1
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp=1
All Natural.esp=1
All Natural - SI.esp=1
All Natural - Real Lights.esp=1
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp=1
AliveWaters.esp=1
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp=1
CharGenAmulet.esp=1
FOV Modifier.esp=1
More Effective Enchantments.esp=1
See You Sleep DLL.esp=1
Tail-Slot Equipment Helper.esp=1
CleanQuitAlternative.esp=1
Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp=0
OblivionReloaded.esp=1
Map Marker Overhaul.esp=1
DLCHorseArmor.esp=1
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCOrrery.esp=1
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCVileLair.esp=1
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp=1
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp=1
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCSpellTomes.esp=1
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp=0
MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp=0
superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp=1
DLCThievesDen.esp=1
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
Cobl Glue.esp=1
Cobl Si.esp=1
Creature Diversity.esp=1
ImperialCityHouse.esp=1
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp=1
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCFrostcrag.esp=1
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
Emporium.esp=0
Knights.esp=1
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp=0
Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp=1
Bag of Holding.esp=1
Automagic Bags.esp=1
No persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp=0
Cobl Races.esp=1
DKImperials.esp=1
Elves Of Lineage II.esp=1
IDKRRR_C_race.esp=1
Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp=1
Night Elf - by ssj4goku111.esp=1
No psychic guards v1.2.esp=1
Imperishable Varla Stones.esp=1
NoEncumberance.esp=0
Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp=1
Clearer Underwater.esp=0
SeductiveIdles.esp=1
_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp=1
IDKRRR_KFME4rev.esp=1
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp=1
SupremeMagickaLite.esp=1
EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp=0
DAValeriaCuteElf.esp=1
Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp=1
CM Partners.esp=1
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp=1
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp=1
CM Partner Lola.esp=1
CM Partner Feria.esp=1
CM Partner Xenia.esp=1
CM Partner Isabelle High Imperial v1-0-34543.esp=1
CM Partner Caitlyn v1.esp=1
CM Partner Sah v1.esp=1
CM Partner Jada.esp=1
CompanionFergus.esp=1
Ace's Items.esp=1
1em_Vilja.esp=1
Cute Elf Companions - Feminine Walk & Run.esp=0
Ace's Companions.esp=0
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp=1
LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp=1
LoversBed.esp=1
LoversPayBandit.esp=1
Lovers with PK.esp=1
LoversCreature.esp=1
Lovers with PK Extender.esp=1
LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp=1
LoversRapeSlave.esp=1
LoversBackup2.esp=1
LAPF_Ex_Patch.esp=1
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp=1
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp=0
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
LoversMB2.esp=1
Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp=1
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp=1
Lovers3dorgasm.esp=1
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp=1

 

 

Mod List:

 

ACTIVE [Name] Qarls Texture Pack III for NMM-44772-1-3
ACTIVE [Name] EngineBugFixes v2.22
ACTIVE [Name] FOV Modifier v2_0-23080
ACTIVE [Name] Clean Quit Alternative-21416
ACTIVE [Name] Mystic Emporium Fix 1.1-43825-1-1
ACTIVE [Name] No persistant enchantment glow fix-1843
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion 1_2_416 English-11364
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Shivering Isles 1_2_416 English-11364
ACTIVE [Name] Map Marker Overhaul 3_9_3-26389
ACTIVE [Name] Weather - All Natural v1-36-18305-1-36
ACTIVE [Name] Enhanced Water v2.0 HD
ACTIVE [Name] Alive Waters Updated v0.9-44069-0-9
ACTIVE [Name] Clearer Underwater v17411
ACTIVE [Name] fantasmagoria flora v4.0
ACTIVE [Name] Corean Mod v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] CoreanHair v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] Corean egmFiles v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] DK High Imperials Updated-33044
ACTIVE [Name] Elves of Lineage II v1.0
ACTIVE [Name] kfmev4rev-25996
ACTIVE [Name] Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake v1
ACTIVE [Name] Night Elf Race  by ssj4goku111-7324
ACTIVE [Name] Xenius HGEC HR Night Elf Texture Replacer-28358
ACTIVE [Name] MenuQue v16b
ACTIVE [Name] Cobl v174
ACTIVE [Name] Grin Fix REQUIRES 1_2 Update-33044
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover
ACTIVE [Name] Imperishable Varla Stones-27441
ACTIVE [Name] More Effective Enchantments v22
ACTIVE [Name] No Encumbrance-45853-1-0
ACTIVE [Name] No psychic guards v1.2
ACTIVE [Name] Tail-Slot Equipment Helper v1.4
ACTIVE [Name] Your Imperial City House Mod-2814
ACTIVE [Name] Creature Diversity 1.14-26634-1-14
ACTIVE [Name] Creature Diversity 1.14b UPDATE-26634-1-14b
ACTIVE [Name] MaleBodyReplacerV52-40532
ACTIVE [Name] MaleOutfitReplacerV52-40532
ACTIVE [Name] HG EyeCandy Body Fighter Nude LL-lower D-upper BBB
ACTIVE [Name] Character Generator Amulet v2072
ACTIVE [Name] SUPERSP-28730
ACTIVE [Name] Unlimited Amulets v1.0
ACTIVE [Name] Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp
ACTIVE [Name] Lineage elves texture updated-20432
ACTIVE [Name] Ren_BeautyPack_v1_1_addrace
ACTIVE [Name] Ren_BeautyPack_v1_1_onlyhairs
ACTIVE [Name] White Teeth All-18589
ACTIVE [Name] Working Eyelashes-18185
ACTIVE [Name] Corean Hairs for Elves of Lineage II-15701
ACTIVE [Name] OBSE -Elys- Universal Silent Voice v93
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Oblivion DLC Patches v9969-24
ACTIVE [Name] Automagic Bags v4.03
ACTIVE [Name] Bag of Holding v4065
ACTIVE [Name] Supreme Magicka v1.5
ACTIVE [Name] See You Sleep DLL v1
ACTIVE [Name] 5 Cute Elves ver 1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Caitlyn v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Feria v1-Final-15150
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Isabelle High Imperial v1-0-34543
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Jada v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Lola v20474
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Sah v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Xenia-23356
ACTIVE [Name] Nec Character Sonnet Mature-16329
ACTIVE [Name] Ace's Companions
ACTIVE [Name] CompanionFergus v2-1
ACTIVE [Name] MBP Plus Plus v098a Full
ACTIVE [Name] Cute Elves Companions Feminine Walk and Run-49600-1-0-1567024729
ACTIVE [Name] CompanionVilja v4_04-28977-4-04
ACTIVE [Name] Seductive Idles v1.1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partners v2-7819
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF - version 1.6a1
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF Supplemental Plugin Pack v1
ACTIVE [Name] Lovers with PK Extender
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF Extended Patch
ACTIVE [Name] ExtraAPAnimationsNeeded
ACTIVE [Name] Lovers Adult Play Plus for SSP v1.11
ACTIVE [Name] LoversVoiceSSPplus v1.19
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-10739-1-5-9
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Oblivion Patch-5296-3-5-6b-1589151835
ACTIVE [Name] Pluggy Dev v132
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Reloaded v6-2-0
ACTIVE [Name] Blockhead v10.3
ACTIVE [Name] LoversCreatures v2.5.11
ACTIVE [Name] 3dOrgasm
ACTIVE [Name] Ace's Items

 

 

[LongDukDong]

You neglected to notice that the Mod Order list was like this:

 

LOVERS STUFF.....

. . .
. . .
(Pose and Animation Mods)

77_Umpa_Animation.esp                              19482
Chain it!.esp                                                   19488
zzEstrus.esp                                                   19522
Woman's Move.esp                                         19524

 -------------------------------------------
(Race , companion, MBP Mods)

Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp (or Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esp) 20091
Shrridan.esp                                                                                  20153
Luchaire's Dryad Race.esp                                                            20202
Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp                                                                      20215

. . .
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp                                   19900
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp

. . .
. . .
 

....... Near the end of the mod order list is the Beautiful People mods... but it is here past most Lovers mods that you put Race and Companion mods.  This includes the Cutthroat Mods characters.  So yes, and this is just from a cursory glance, there is more sorting necessary.
 

You actually have Lovers3dorgasm ????

[dwharper34]

I have been using this for the load order:

 

I think I have followed the load order pretty close from this!

 

Where should I be looking instead?

 

[dwharper34]

I don't like complaining, but all of the mod pages with load orders seem to be different. Almost everyone of them have no links, some links are out-dated with no link to the correct version, the links no longer exist or take you to a multi-paged document on the wrong page. Finding the correct download has been almost impossible! Titles with Outdated on them without correct links in them, etc...  And almost every mod has its own support page and from mod to mod and they sometimes give different load orders and advice. I have not been tracking any of this, but I can't be the only one finding these problems. Its been very confusing to me. I have rarely dealt with such a great problems with load order. It is Oblivion I guess.

 

Loverslab.com has been making different directories associated to Lovers with PK such as Oblivion Adult Mods, Dialog Sex, Lovers PK Modpack-Almost Every mod..., and of course Lovers with PK. I think this is the right direction, but doesn't say which is compatible with each other. Very difficult for most of us to figure out. Checking all of the links must be quite the undertaking.

 

All of the current mod authors with mods to be included within Lovers should update the "Lovers with PK" page including the correct updated load order with updated links to their mods. That would mean all authors would have to agree to it. The installation directions would refer back to this page for the correct load order not an example. If this would be updated by everyone every week or so, you probably wouldn't have many problems at all.

 

I know I just want to play the game. Sorry if I stepped on any toes! All of you are exceptional at these animations and most have been a great help! I want to thank you!

 

So where is the most current correct Load Order?

 

 

 

[LongDukDong]

The load order on that page is the one I have used.  I admit that it is over 6 years old and new mods such as some I have created are not on the list, but the structure is quite fine.  I have directed others to this list when they had issues with Oblivion and many had since had their problems solved after using this to sort.

 

Below is the load order from the page I have been recommending which I wholly endorse and use. 

 

On 9/5/2014 at 6:29 PM, fejeena said:

The numbers behind the esm/esp are the notepad++ Line numbers of the 20 Dec 2014 BOSS masterlist.txt
number in ( ) is "wrong" sorted by BOSS
clean it: esm/esp should be cleaned with Tes4Edit

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oblivion.esm                                       48

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm             92
x117race.esm                                    (308)
Better Cities Resources.esm              202

BreakUndies.esm   ! outdated, use BreakArmor !
 -----
SPTDiverseGuards-Resources.esm   348
-----
 Lovers with PK.esm
 TamagoClub.esm
 HiyokoClub.esm
 LoversCreature.esm
 --
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp                     747
UOPS Additional Changes.esp                 756
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp         759   : Recommend removing if using Wrye Bash. A tweak for this exists in "Tweak Settings".

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp                     761
DLCShiveringIsles.esp                              802
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp           819

 

Better Cities .esp                                      925

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp    1122

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp         1149

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp           1346
AliveWaters.esp                                      1709 clean it
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp                  1713 clean it
AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp   1716
VipCxj_BulletCamera                               1906
Real_Mannequin.esp                               2687
VipCxj_AirSystem.esp                              2877

 

DLCHorseArmor.esp                                  3434  clean it
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp      3437
DLCOrrery.esp                                            3449  clean it
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp                3452
DLCVileLair.esp                                          3473  clean it
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp              3476
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp                             3493 clean it
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp 3495 clean it
DLCSpellTomes.esp                                    3532 clean it
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp        3536

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp                           3586

 -------------------------------------------

(Items Mods - armor and weapons)

AngelicArmor.esp                                          3756
BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp                              3966

FemaleImperialDragonCuirass.esp                  4518

BreakArmor.esp
IrohaClothes.esp                                           4811
Lady Flirt.esp                                                 4962

VA_FemmeDaedricHelmet.esp                        5978
StockClothingArmorBBBHGEC_Standard_ECupLBotPPN.esp 6712
TafasSexyLingerieset02.esp                         6727
---------------------------------------------
DLCThievesDen.esp                                      7099 clean it
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp          7102
---------------------------------------------
(GROUP: Overhauls ) FCOM, Fran's, OOO, MMM, etc
---------------------------------------
(GROUP: Quests and Locations and Player houses )
Ivellon.esp                                                       9054 clean it
adTreeHome.esp                                            9273 clean it
Astralis.esp                                                     9281 clean it
HentaiLovelyHouse.esp                                 10506
Hentai Mania.esp (not HentaiMania2.esp)     10509  clean it

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp                                           10899 clean it
Valenwood Improved.esp                               12438

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp                          12498  clean it

 

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp                               12772 clean it
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp   12777 clean it      
DLCFrostcrag.esp                                           12843 clean it
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp               12855
Knights.esp                                                     12937  clean it
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp                          12951

 Knights_fem.esp                                             12997

The Lost Spires.esp                                         13196 clean it
AFK_Weye.esp                                                13245 clean it
ElsweyrAnequina.esp                                      13401 clean it
Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp        13447 clean it
Elsweyr plantations & co..esp                         13462 clean it
Faregyl.esp                                                      13769
Feldscar.esp                                                     13784
HackdirtAlive.esp                                            13797 clean it
 -----------------------------------------------

(Unique Landscapes)

xuldarkforest.esp                                             13950 (german: Unique Landscapes - Dark Forest DV.esp )
LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp                   13953
(other Unique Landscapes in order)
Stendarr Valley
The Heath
Entius Gorge
Fallenleaf Everglade
LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
ColovianHighlands
ChorrolHinterland
Beaches of Cyrodiil                                          14060
--------------------------
HentaiMania2.esp  ( not Hentai Mania.esp )    14112 clean it
------------------------------
(other Unique Landscapes in order)
Bravil Barrowfields                                             14143
LostSpires-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
Lush Woodlands
AncientYews
Ancient Redwoods
Cloudtop Mountains
ArriusCreek
UL_Patch_AncientYews_ArriusCreek.esp / xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
Rolling Hills
Panther River
River Ethe
Brena River Ravine
Imperial Isle
Blackwood Forest
Cheydinhal Falls
Aspen Wood
Skingrad Outskirts
Snowdale
Silverfish River Valley
JerallGlacier
TheEasternPeaks                                           14516
----------------------------------

 

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp            15171

SPTDiverseGuards-Core.esp                          16800
( one of the different versions e.g. SPTDiverseGuards-Combined-Human.esp)
 -------------------------------------------

(Tamago and Lovers Mods)
 MaternityClothes.esp                      (16691)                            
 TamagoPlayerHUD.esp
 TamagoBreak.esp
 TamagoNews.esp
 TamagoShop.esp
 TamagoTopic.esp
 TamagoConfide.esp
 LoversTamagoClub.esp
 LoversHiyokoShooter.esp

HiyokoFutureDream.esp
 LoversEncounter.esp
 HiyokoQuestTarget.esp
 HiyokoGenetics.esp
 HiyokoGenerator.esp   ( a no MBP Version you can find here http://www.loverslab.com/topic/24785-hiyoko-generator-brood-mother-22-may-2014/?do=findComment&comment=622895 )

HiyokoGeneratorGeneForge.esp
 HiyokoGeneratorCreature.esp  ( or HiyokoGeneratorBroodMother.esp  You can not use both ! )
 TamagoSetBody.esp
 LoversSetBody.esp <----NOTE: This plugin is outdated. I don't recommend folks use it anymore!
 LoversAphrodisia.esp
 LoversAphrodisiaHUD.esp
 LoversDRader.esp
 LoversRapeman.esp
 LoversSummonRapeman.esp
 LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
 LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
 LoversRaperS.esp      Do not use if you use Lovers Plunder
 LoversJoburg.esp
 LoversJoburg NoDelay Addon.esp
 LoversJealousy.esp
 LoversBed.esp
 LoversBednonstop.esp

 PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.(any).esp  here if you use LoversPayBandit.esp
 LoversPayBandit.esp

 Pse-paybandit patch 
 LoversPower.esp
 LoversContraception.esp
 LoversNTRburglar.esp
 Lovers with PK.esp
 LoversBitch.esp
 LoversCreature.esp
 Lovers with PK Extender.esp
 LoversSoundCreature.esp
LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
 LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp
 LoversCreatureVoiceForceEnabler.esp

LoversHorseRider.esp/LoversHorseRider2.esp

LoversAchievments.esp
 LoversBrothel.esp

LoversBackup2.esp
 LoversStopCombatEx.esp
 LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
 LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp  ! do not use it if you use LoversHelpRapeVPlayer !

 LoversHelpRapeVPlayer   ! do not use if you use LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer  !

LoversRapeStruggle.esp
 LoversRapeSlave.esp
 LoversAdultYield.esp
 LoversMagic.esp

LoversLight.esp
 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp         ! or DarkBloodline.esp ! you can not use both ! TrueCrime was the predecessor of DarkBloodline.
 LoversUnicorn.esp
 LoversSlaveTrader.esp
 LSTBravilUnderground.esp
 LSTaddon ....esp (only one of the 4 versions)
 LoversPayBanditForSlaver.esp
 LoversImmoralGuards.esp
 LoversImmoralSisters.esp
 LoversMS14netori.esp
 LoversSexKariBurne.esp

LoversHooker.esp
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP_HookerPatch.esp
PlayerSlaveEncounters_V0.(any).esp
 ( other Lovers Mods)
--------------------
stripper.esp                                                 16675
Nudeshy X.esp                                            16692

 

DarkBloodline.esp
DarkBloodlinesFix.esp

 

MadCompanionshipSpells.esp                      17852
MCS extension.esp                                         17854
---------------------------------
 SetBody.esp                                                18055
---------------------------------

HumantouchNPC.esp                                    19007
(Pose and Animation Mods)

77_Umpa_Animation.esp                              19482
Chain it!.esp                                                   19488
zzEstrus.esp                                                   19522
Woman's Move.esp                                         19524

 -------------------------------------------
(Race , companion, MBP Mods)

Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp (or Moonshadow Elves - NoSc.esp) 20091
Shrridan.esp                                                                                  20153
Luchaire's Dryad Race.esp                                                            20202
Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp                                                                      20215

 
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp                                   19900
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseA00 Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp
 x117 Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Cute Elves.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Nec Mystic High Elf Remake.esp
 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

 

Lop-ears Elf.esp                                                                  20293
eyja.esp                                                                              20403 clean it
AsharasSirensAndTritons.esp                                          20434
Wiedergaenger Race.esp                                                 20490 clean it
-----------------------------

Khajiit Fix.esp                                                                21430

.............................
( only use one race fix !  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp  with boethia custom race.esp   OR  CustomRaceFix.esp  with boethia custom race.esp  OR   the all in one fix: Raceenabler.esp )
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp                                                  21820   ! IF you have "Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp" Remove this and use the UOP instead.
CustomRaceFix.esp                                                         21822   ! IF you have "Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp" Remove this and use the UOP instead.

boethia custom race.esp                                                  21826   ! IF you have "Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp" Remove this and use the UOP instead.

Raceenabler.esp                                                                             ! IF you have "Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp" Remove this and use the UOP instead.

----------------------------------------
(Better Cities Mods. NOT open cities)
Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp                               21838
Better Cities Full.esp                                                         21839
--or single files --
Better Cities - Skingrad City Defences.esp                       21842
Better Cities SKINGRAD.esp
Better Cities - Bravil City Defences.esp
Better Cities BRAVIL.esp
Better Cities - Anvil City Defences.esp
Better Cities ANVIL.esp
Better Cities - Chorrol City Defences.esp
Better Cities CHORROL.esp
Better Cities - Cheydinhal City Defences.esp
Better Cities CHEYDINHAL.esp
Better Cities - Leyawiin City Defences.esp
Better Cities LEYAWIIN.esp
Better Cities - Bruma City Defences.esp
Better Cities BRUMA.esp
Better Cities IC Arboretum.esp
Better Cities IC Arcane University.esp
Better Cities IC Arena.esp
Better Cities IC Elven Gardens.esp
Better Cities IC Green Emperor Way.esp
Better Cities IC Market.esp
Better Cities IC Prison.esp
Better Cities IC Talos Plaza.esp
Better Cities IC Temple.esp
Better Cities IC Waterfront.esp                                  21878

 -------------------------------------------------
 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
 LoversMB2.esp
 Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp
 LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
 Lovers3dorgasm.esp
 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

_______________________________________________________________________________________________
 Note: All plugins marked in red above should be merged into your bashed patch and disabled 

!! NO LOVERS AND TAMAGO MODS IN THE BASHED PATCH !! except LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp and LoversCreature_SexualOrgans_Dogs.esp

 

NOTE:  Any Lovers with PK plugin not on the above list should be safe to install just above Setbody.esp - unless the mod author has a specific load order mentioned in the OP or readme.txt of their plugin.

 

In essence, the breakdown of the spoilered list is as such for the .esp files.  And this should be the basic guideline:
         Oblivion Repair Patches
         Shivering Isles and its repair patches
         The Better Cities ESP (only the master Esp and not the addons)
         Most any WEATHER mods
         Most all of the DLC content
         Roberts Male Body Replacer
         Most any ITEM mods
         Overhauls like OOO, MMM
         Quests, Locations and Player homes
         Knights.esp
         Other Quests (ie  ElsweyrAnequina)
         Most any Landscapes
         Most any Tamago/Hiyoko
         Some lovers mods
         Lovers with PK.esp
         MOST Lovers mods
         Race and Companion mods (including CM Companions)
         MBP (Modular Beautiful People)
         The Better Cities mods (the addons)
         Bashed patch and last of Lovers

 

That's the very basics.  The above full list was made because some mods did overwrite and interfere with others if placed out of order. And the Companion mods have some command options that by design take precedent over others.  Hence why they are further down the list and past nearly all lovers plugins.

 

[dwharper34]

Thanks! That makes me feel a lot better!

 

What about patches and fixes?

 

I will work on it and paste a new load order when I'm done.

 

 

[LongDukDong]

3 hours ago, dwharper34 said:

What about patches and fixes?

While this list is from 2014, it has a number of patches listed within.  I mean, the beginning of the Esp section includes the Unofficial Oblivion Patches.  And it does have the  Pse-paybandit patch within. 

 

And I am thinking that SOMEONE updated a little with this:

13 hours ago, LongDukDong said:

 LoversRaperS.esp      Do not use if you use Lovers Plunder

 

The list has been around since 2014.  But since Plunder has only been around for two years, someone made an edit....

[dwharper34]

After I made the new load order, I didn't notice any change. I played for a couple of hours.

 

Is there a correlation with the Motion numbers and sex positions? I am still having problems with "Lovers: 15_Motion Ready.".  I was having the problem with 12 and 16 too. I copied and changed Motion 30 to Motion 12. Am I changing the sex position, by using 30 in the 12 spot?

 

On 5/23/2021 at 4:05 PM, LongDukDong said:

Lovers with PK Extender, I haven't used for a while.

 

If you haven't used Lovers with PK Extender for a while, you may not be experiencing the problem with changing from automatic to jump settings. I am not sure that's whats doing it, but the patch for that is what changes it back. Maybe you should try it or I should try to remove it.

 

Setting PlayerProgression to 0 ((Default) 0 (Automatic)) works for me. Neither of the other two do. Which is yours set at?

 

 

Load Order:

 

GameMode=Oblivion

Oblivion.esm=1
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm=1
BathingMod_Base.esm=1
Cobl Main.esm=1
DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm=1
CM Partners.esm=1
DKImperials.esm=1
All Natural Base.esm=1
Better Cities Resources.esm=1
Lovers with PK.esm=1
LoversCreature.esm=1
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp=1
DLCShiveringIsles.esp=1
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp=1
Better Cities .esp=1
All Natural.esp=1
All Natural - SI.esp=1
All Natural - Real Lights.esp=1
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp=1
Clearer Underwater.esp=0
AliveWaters.esp=1
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp=1
DLCHorseArmor.esp=1
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCOrrery.esp=1
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCVileLair.esp=1
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp=1
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCSpellTomes.esp=1
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp=0
DLCThievesDen.esp=1
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp=1
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
DLCFrostcrag.esp=1
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
Emporium.esp=0
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp=1
No persistant enchantment glow fix-1843.esp=0
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp=0
No psychic guards v1.2.esp=1
CleanQuitAlternative.esp=1
MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp=0
Unlimited Amulets 1.0.esp=0
Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp=1
Tail-Slot Equipment Helper.esp=1
Bag of Holding.esp=1
Automagic Bags.esp=1
CharGenAmulet.esp=1
superSP_fatigue_restore_ring.esp=1
Imperishable Varla Stones.esp=1
OblivionReloaded.esp=1
Map Marker Overhaul.esp=1
Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp=0
NoEncumberance.esp=0
Ace's Items.esp=1
More Effective Enchantments.esp=1
FOV Modifier.esp=1
See You Sleep DLL.esp=1
See You Sleep DLL - DLCVileLair.esp=1
BathingMod_Soap.esp=1
BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp=1
BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp=1
Side's Cheydinhal House.esp=1
Side's Cheydinhal House (COBL).esp=1
Side's Cheydinhal House (BathMod).esp=1
Cheydinhal Nirnroot Growth Spur.esp=1
Zyrtos' Cheydinhal Garden.esp=1
ImperialCityHouse.esp=1
SupremeMagickaLite.esp=1
Cobl Glue.esp=1
Cobl Si.esp=1
Creature Diversity.esp=1
Knights.esp=1
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp=1
SeductiveIdles.esp=1
LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp=1
LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp=1
LoversBed.esp=1
LoversPayBandit.esp=1
Lovers with PK.esp=1
LoversCreature.esp=1
Lovers with PK Extender.esp=1
LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp=1
LoversRapeSlave.esp=1
LoversBackup2.esp=1
LAPF_Ex_Patch.esp=1
Cobl Races.esp=1
DKImperials.esp=1
Elves Of Lineage II.esp=1
Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp=1
IDKRRR_C_race.esp=1
Night Elf - by ssj4goku111.esp=1
IDKRRR_KFME4rev.esp=1
Corean_hair_for_Original_race.esp=1
EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp=0
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp=1
_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp=1
DAValeriaCuteElf.esp=1
Cute Elf Companions - Feminine Walk & Run.esp=0
Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp=1
CM Partners.esp=1
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp=1
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp=1
CM Partner Lola.esp=1
CM Partner Feria.esp=1
CM Partner Xenia.esp=1
CM Partner Isabelle High Imperial v1-0-34543.esp=1
CM Partner Caitlyn v1.esp=1
CM Partner Sah v1.esp=1
CM Partner Jada.esp=1
CompanionFergus.esp=1
1em_Vilja.esp=1
Ace's Companions.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged RoseSims Hair Modules.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged SKSRENs Hair Modules.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed CustomRace.esp=0
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp=1
Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Chocolate Elves.esp=0
Better Cities Full.esp=1
Better Imperial City.esp=1
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp=1
Better Cities - Open Better Cities.esp=1
Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp=1
Better Cities - COBL.esp=1
Better Cities Anvil Open - Knights of the Nine.esp=1
Better Cities - All Natural.esp=1
Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp=1
Bashed Patch, 0.esp=1
LoversMB2.esp=1
Lovers3dorgasmMB2.esp=1
LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp=1
Lovers3dorgasm.esp=1
LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp=1

 

 

Mod List:

 

ACTIVE [Name] Qarls Texture Pack III for NMM-44772-1-3
ACTIVE [Name] EngineBugFixes v2.22
ACTIVE [Name] FOV Modifier v2_0-23080
ACTIVE [Name] Clean Quit Alternative-21416
ACTIVE [Name] Mystic Emporium Fix 1.1-43825-1-1
ACTIVE [Name] No persistant enchantment glow fix-1843
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion 1_2_416 English-11364
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Shivering Isles 1_2_416 English-11364
ACTIVE [Name] Map Marker Overhaul 3_9_3-26389
ACTIVE [Name] Enhanced Water v2.0 HD
ACTIVE [Name] Alive Waters Updated v0.9-44069-0-9
ACTIVE [Name] Clearer Underwater v17411
ACTIVE [Name] fantasmagoria flora v4.0
ACTIVE [Name] Corean Mod v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] CoreanHair v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] Corean egmFiles v1.8
ACTIVE [Name] DK High Imperials Updated-33044
ACTIVE [Name] Elves of Lineage II v1.0
ACTIVE [Name] kfmev4rev-25996
ACTIVE [Name] Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake v1
ACTIVE [Name] Night Elf Race  by ssj4goku111-7324
ACTIVE [Name] Xenius HGEC HR Night Elf Texture Replacer-28358
ACTIVE [Name] MenuQue v16b
ACTIVE [Name] Cobl v174
ACTIVE [Name] Grin Fix REQUIRES 1_2 Update-33044
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover
ACTIVE [Name] Imperishable Varla Stones-27441
ACTIVE [Name] More Effective Enchantments v22
ACTIVE [Name] No Encumbrance-45853-1-0
ACTIVE [Name] No psychic guards v1.2
ACTIVE [Name] Tail-Slot Equipment Helper v1.4
ACTIVE [Name] Your Imperial City House Mod-2814
ACTIVE [Name] Creature Diversity 1.14-26634-1-14
ACTIVE [Name] Creature Diversity 1.14b UPDATE-26634-1-14b
ACTIVE [Name] MaleBodyReplacerV52-40532
ACTIVE [Name] MaleOutfitReplacerV52-40532
ACTIVE [Name] HG EyeCandy Body Fighter Nude LL-lower D-upper BBB
ACTIVE [Name] Character Generator Amulet v2072
ACTIVE [Name] SUPERSP-28730
ACTIVE [Name] Unlimited Amulets v1.0
ACTIVE [Name] Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp
ACTIVE [Name] Lineage elves texture updated-20432
ACTIVE [Name] Ren_BeautyPack_v1_1_addrace
ACTIVE [Name] Ren_BeautyPack_v1_1_onlyhairs
ACTIVE [Name] White Teeth All-18589
ACTIVE [Name] Working Eyelashes-18185
ACTIVE [Name] Corean Hairs for Elves of Lineage II-15701
ACTIVE [Name] OBSE -Elys- Universal Silent Voice v93
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Oblivion DLC Patches v9969-24
ACTIVE [Name] Automagic Bags v4.03
ACTIVE [Name] Bag of Holding v4065
ACTIVE [Name] Supreme Magicka v1.5
ACTIVE [Name] See You Sleep DLL v1
ACTIVE [Name] 5 Cute Elves ver 1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Caitlyn v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Feria v1-Final-15150
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Isabelle High Imperial v1-0-34543
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Jada v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Lola v20474
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Sah v1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partner Xenia-23356
ACTIVE [Name] Nec Character Sonnet Mature-16329
ACTIVE [Name] Ace's Companions
ACTIVE [Name] CompanionFergus v2-1
ACTIVE [Name] MBP Plus Plus v098a Full
ACTIVE [Name] Cute Elves Companions Feminine Walk and Run-49600-1-0-1567024729
ACTIVE [Name] CompanionVilja v4_04-28977-4-04
ACTIVE [Name] Seductive Idles v1.1
ACTIVE [Name] CM Partners v2-7819
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF - version 1.6a1
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF Supplemental Plugin Pack v1
ACTIVE [Name] Lovers with PK Extender
ACTIVE [Name] LAPF Extended Patch
ACTIVE [Name] ExtraAPAnimationsNeeded
ACTIVE [Name] Lovers Adult Play Plus for SSP v1.11
ACTIVE [Name] LoversVoiceSSPplus v1.19
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch-10739-1-5-9
ACTIVE [Name] Unofficial Oblivion Patch-5296-3-5-6b-1589151835
ACTIVE [Name] Pluggy Dev v132
ACTIVE [Name] Oblivion Reloaded v6-2-0
ACTIVE [Name] Blockhead v10.3
ACTIVE [Name] LoversCreatures v2.5.11
ACTIVE [Name] 3dOrgasm
ACTIVE [Name] Side_s Cheydinhal House-30257
ACTIVE [Name] Bathing Mod-13275
ACTIVE [Name] Weather - All Natural v1.38
ACTIVE [Name] Better Cities v6.0.13-16513-6-0-13-1590843631
ACTIVE [Name] Zyrtos Cheydinhal Nirnroot Garden Mod
ACTIVE [Name] Ace's Items

 

 

 

[LongDukDong]

Just going through it...

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.

      ... both are Unofficial Oblivion

 

I would put the LAPF Ex Patch right after PK Extemder.

 

Now all this from a fresh re-install and new savegames?  I swear, I never had the motion issues you're having and I just reinstalled Oblivion since my HDD crashed and I needed a new PC.  Windows 10 now actually, so no worries it doesn't work with Win10.

[dwharper34]

I found my problem! It was Lovers with PK Extender and its patch. After I uninstalled them, I made sure my settings were on Automatic and then played for about three hours having sex without any errors or actors being out of position. There were many new positions I had never seen and when you asked for something, you pretty much got it. There were a few less menus and it doesn't change my settings automatically. What a pleasure!

 

I can probably get rid of both of those. I guess you need vampires looking good before you kill them. And from reading about the door fix, I guess it fixes the directional sound of a door inside a Oblivion Portal, which I've never even heard.

 

I dual boot with Windows 7 & 10. Windows 10 is required for Horizon Zero Dawn. I just took a break from it and decided to try Oblivion again. I'm glad I did.

 

You were talking about putting the patch after the extender and I had to go check, because I thought they were that way. It wasn't until I couldn't find them, I remembered uninstalling them. I just mentioned it above too.

 

You should try using Lovers with PK Extender and its patch and see if you have the problems that I had. You might be able to help fix it. It certainly doesn't work for me. Thanks again for all of your help! I'll be back if I run into any problems.

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by dwharper34
added new material

[dwharper34]

Since I removed PK Extender and its patch, I have played about 3 days without an error. I have had several positioning problems with "Lovers: 15_Motion Ready" and "Lovers: 16_Motion Ready". Where would I select Motions from to try to match the positions of 15_Motions and 16_Motions?

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by dwharper34
Correct spacing

[TDA]

32 minutes ago, dwharper34 said:

Since I removed PK Extender and its patch, I have played about 3 days without an error. I have had several positioning problems with "Lovers: 15_Motion Ready" and "Lovers: 16_Motion Ready". Where would I select Motions from to try to match the positions of 15_Motions and 16_Motions?

 

 

 

it looks like it's generally from different sequences ...

 

By the way, in the first 10-15 animations (it seems) there is no sequence of phases 1-2-3-0, animations from different sequences are taken there, but this is not accurate ... Forget it, in short.  I just delete them, or remade them in 3dsmax if the initial poses are good.

[dwharper34]

@LongDukDong

 

On 5/29/2021 at 12:58 AM, dwharper34 said:

You should try using Lovers with PK Extender and its patch and see if you have the problems that I had.

 

 

Now that I removed those two files, LAPF is working great! Thanks for your help!