The ultimate bodies - CBBE 3BBB VS BHUNP (UUNP Next Generation)

[Oreloth]

CBBE 3BBB

VS

BHUNP (UUNP Next Generation)

 

 

I have this question in mind since a few months... So I did this post to get your opinion.

 

What's the best for you? What are the pros? What are the cons? This is a simply post to collect opinions from people with a rich experience in both, for people who are new in this debate and are lost in too much questions. Stay respectful with each others please, accept everyone's opinion and try to give arguments to explain why you prefer one than the other.

 

Useful links:

 

CBBE 3BBB

BHUNP (UUNP Next Generation)

CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR

HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)

 

WHAT IS HDT-PE / HDT-SMP / BBP / TBBP / 3BBB?

 

HDT-SMP source code

 

Ready? Fight!

[coolfreaky]

my choice went to 3bbb cbbe .

 

as for the why it is mostly because cbbe sound familiar at first .

also bhunp seems to be more muscular and i like more the cbbe type even if one can manipulate bodytype and presets in bodyslide .

and mostly because literally i felt on the 3bbb -cbbe topic / download first ( did not need to search for it ).

 

it is not much of arguments .

[Oreloth]

3 hours ago, Waggle132 said:

Neither because this isn't special edition forum 

Where did you see that? Please, if you have nothing to say, say nothing.

3 hours ago, coolfreaky said:

my choice went to 3bbb cbbe .

 

as for the why it is mostly because cbbe sound familiar at first .

also bhunp seems to be more muscular and i like more the cbbe type even if one can manipulate bodytype and presets in bodyslide .

and mostly because literally i felt on the 3bbb -cbbe topic / download first ( did not need to search for it ).

 

it is not much of arguments .

I can understand it, I found BHUNP first, but I was used to CBBE in Oldrim.

[Dojo_dude]

I like CoSIO body actually, its really well made.

[Oreloth]

1 hour ago, Dojo_dude said:

I like CoSIO body actually, its really well made.

Is it CBBE or UNP based?

[Oreloth]

19 hours ago, 27X said:

Your poll is shitty and the best bodies in terms of polycount and weighting-to-physics responsiveness aren't public so maybe you should rename this to "hey that one topic again, again.", also nice new random account, what an amazing and incredible coincidence.

 

BTW, the reason this hasn't come up before (except it has many MANY times) is the mods have a pretty strict policy on this type of half assed flamebait stuff and your opening topic isn't even kind of in zip code of "covers with objective neutrality leading to mature discussion", it's a blog post of "look what I found" at best, in addition to basically being a once removed patreon ad, nevermind literal MOARNINIFAEC GIB MONEYS graphic presentation.

 

 

I don't understand you.

 

1) My account is my only one since a few years, and you can verify it easely.

2) The question on it is not hiding anything, I just want some fresh opinion from people.

3) I can understand this kind of topic is already made many times, of course.

4) You comment was reported as it is insulting with false accusations and unjustified hate.

 

Have a nice day anyway.

[NoNickNeeded]

CosioHD is CBBE based, though with higher poly (particularly visible at the shoulders), a working vagina and additional sliders.

 

Also just ignore that 27X guy. This happens everytime when someone makes a thread about bodies and dares not to have the same opinion as him. I haven't seen any flaming done in such threads in years... other than his very posts that is. Maybe comparing bodies is flamebait on reddit or other places, but here on LL people generally seem rather chilled and acknowledge that different people have different tastes and have the right to like what they like, even if it differs from their personal preferences.

 

As for the original question: Sadly I have been unable to get SMP to run, so I can't really comment much on the two bodies from your poll. From screenshots alone they seem almost indistinguishable to me, but I think I'd go with BHUNP.

For non-SMP I prefer Cosio. I've tried various animated vagina mods and non was as easy to get to work as CLAMS of Skyrim (it's just a single all-in-one package). And the body looks nice too (also the mod-author is polite and helpful, which is a definite plus too).

[Watcher1995]

can anyone confirm the poly count for both CBBE and BHUNP ? it seem like the BHUNP have a really high poly count but is it higher than CBBE ?

[NoNickNeeded]

I don't have the actual poly count, but from looking at both bodies in OutfitStudio in wireframe mode, it's quite clear that BHUNP has the higher poly count (at least compared to the original CBBE body).

Edit: Disregard this answer. I misunderstood the question.

[Watcher1995]

15 hours ago, NoNickNeeded said:

I don't have the actual poly count, but from looking at both bodies in OutfitStudio in wireframe mode, it's quite clear that BHUNP has the higher poly count (at least compared to the original CBBE body).

interesting so technically BHUNP should be better i guess ill give it a try on a new profile, also all UNP armor work with the BHUNP right ? and thank you for the answer ? 

[NoNickNeeded]

15 hours ago, Watcher1995 said:

interesting so technically BHUNP should be better i guess ill give it a try on a new profile, also all UNP armor work with the BHUNP right ? and thank you for the answer ? 

I think I made a mistake.

I thought you were asking about the original CBBE body, but now I realize you most likely mean tthe 3BBB CBBE body.

Those two don't give each other much in the poly count department.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

As for the UNP outfits on BHUNP bodies... theoretically they should work, but I have never tested it myself so I can't be sure.

[Watcher1995]

12 hours ago, NoNickNeeded said:

I think I made a mistake.

I thought you were asking about the original CBBE body, but now I realize you most likely mean tthe 3BBB CBBE body.

Those two don't give each other much in the poly count department.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

As for the UNP outfits on BHUNP bodies... theoretically they should work, but I have never tested it myself so I can't be sure.

oh no problem man, and yeah i should have been a bit more clear about the cbbe 3bbb part sorry xd thank you for the help

[zlota]

I had been testing Baka's BHUNP for some time, but at the end I came back to UUNP with Naturalistic HDT and Beast HDT.

 

My computer setup isn't well balanced so my performance fluctuate 25-45 fps. Ryzen R5 1600, Gtx 1080, 4k monitor. Some guides says stable 60 is required, but i've seen videos with 2080ti and 35 fps so I'm not sure.

 

Skyrim LE engine can't handle SMP bouncing and collision for everybody. Option to make custom race is not viable for my lvl 80 character. So only option I had was to use SMP for bounce and BBP for collision or 2BBB xmls.

 

As 27X always says for best results I should adjust xmls to fit used body shape. I guess it's time consuming and with only in-game testing very tedious.

 

Difference between SMP and Naturalistic HDT wasn't as big as I hoped.

 

To avoid any bounce clipping I would have to convert every armor I want to equip, especially multi part armors. Except vanilla armors it means every custom armor mod and more importantly Devious Devices. My guess it is at least hundred meshes. I have some skills with Bodyslide but result never will be as good as original file. Even other SMP armors which aren't based on BHUNP needs conversion. And so this is my main reason why I went back to UUNP.

 

I guess I will use SMP with SSE or Fallout 4 after I upgrade CPU and GPU but not now and for LE.

[DevilDoom]

On 6/18/2020 at 10:44 PM, zlota said:

I had been testing Baka's BHUNP for some time, but at the end I came back to UUNP with Naturalistic HDT and Beast HDT.

 

My computer setup isn't well balanced so my performance fluctuate 25-45 fps. Ryzen R5 1600, Gtx 1080, 4k monitor. Some guides says stable 60 is required, but i've seen videos with 2080ti and 35 fps so I'm not sure.

 

Skyrim LE engine can't handle SMP bouncing and collision for everybody. Option to make custom race is not viable for my lvl 80 character. So only option I had was to use SMP for bounce and BBP for collision or 2BBB xmls.

 

As 27X always says for best results I should adjust xmls to fit used body shape. I guess it's time consuming and with only in-game testing very tedious.

 

Difference between SMP and Naturalistic HDT wasn't as big as I hoped.

 

To avoid any bounce clipping I would have to convert every armor I want to equip, especially multi part armors. Except vanilla armors it means every custom armor mod and more importantly Devious Devices. My guess it is at least hundred meshes. I have some skills with Bodyslide but result never will be as good as original file. Even other SMP armors which aren't based on BHUNP needs conversion. And so this is my main reason why I went back to UUNP.

 

I guess I will use SMP with SSE or Fallout 4 after I upgrade CPU and GPU but not now and for LE.

I am kinda surprised as I use Ryzen 2400g and GTX 1660 atm and SSE works fine with SMP... went for 3BBB, just because I prefer CBBE based body over UNP / UUNP.

And last time I checked, the game ran smoothly on 60+ FPS. I am running on 1080 tho, so that could be the reason? (High preset, just because of many texture and other more FPS consuming mods)...

 

EDIT: I've been mostly traveling thought the dungeons but outside the FPS does manage to drop to about 40 FPS constant.

 

On 5/29/2020 at 5:46 PM, Oreloth said:

CBBE 3BBB

VS

BHUNP (UUNP Next Generation)

 

 

I have this question in mind since a few months... So I did this post to get your opinion.

 

What's the best for you? What are the pros? What are the cons? This is a simply post to collect opinions from people with a rich experience in both, for people who are new in this debate and are lost in too much questions. Stay respectful with each others please, accept everyone's opinion and try to give arguments to explain why you prefer one than the other.

 

Useful links:

 

CBBE 3BBB

BHUNP (UUNP Next Generation)

CBPC - Physics with Collisions for SSE and VR

HDT-SMP (Skinned Mesh Physics)

 

WHAT IS HDT-PE / HDT-SMP / BBP / TBBP / 3BBB?

 

HDT-SMP source code

 

Ready? Fight!

As mentioned, I do prefer / find 3BBB more suitable over BHUNP, even though I haven't really given alot of time to UNP bodies over all. I guess it's kinda like, whichever body type you first see and get used to, you might stick with it.

[jedijoe24]

Okay, so, like, this is my first real post ever... I suffer from a generalized anxiety disorder and don't (and probably won't) comment or reply because (even anonymously) communication causes some panic for me, however, for this topic... I love the UNP based bodies and naturalistic jiggles and collisions that can be obtained in game from the "All In One Animated Pussy" mod package (it is like COSIO, but, a little better for some sex scenes in my opinion), but here's the problem: when I try to install the BHUNP body (with the extra breast bone or try the HDT-SMP stuff) on Skyrim LE - my game crashes just before starting.  And I have tried so many extra tweaks and additional hdt fixes and everything.

 

So, consider that above statement as a warning, and also consider it to be a request for an easy to understand explanation on how to get the BHUNP body to work on oldrim for sexlab scenes and in general.

 

Thank you all kindly.

[DevilDoom]

18 hours ago, jedijoe24 said:

Okay, so, like, this is my first real post ever... I suffer from a generalized anxiety disorder and don't (and probably won't) comment or reply because (even anonymously) communication causes some panic for me, however, for this topic... I love the UNP based bodies and naturalistic jiggles and collisions that can be obtained in game from the "All In One Animated Pussy" mod package (it is like COSIO, but, a little better for some sex scenes in my opinion), but here's the problem: when I try to install the BHUNP body (with the extra breast bone or try the HDT-SMP stuff) on Skyrim LE - my game crashes just before starting.  And I have tried so many extra tweaks and additional hdt fixes and everything.

 

So, consider that above statement as a warning, and also consider it to be a request for an easy to understand explanation on how to get the BHUNP body to work on oldrim for sexlab scenes and in general.

 

Thank you all kindly.

Can't really help from experience as I've recently dropped my Skyrim LE for only Skyrim SE (lack of space on my disks :'D ), but just wondering, were you following the instructions from the mod page? Many times people fail to get their mods to work just because they lack the understanding of how to install them.

 

If you did, then I guess there could be a "collision" between some other mod that is trying to add bones to the body. (I'd guess you should not have any other body mod on at the time, only textures)

After that's done, be sure to correctly build the body in the Bodyslide Studio, where the name has to include BHUNP 3BBB, as stated on the mod page. (Maybe the cause of the crash could be insufficient CPU power?, since SMP requires a bit more resources to process all them jiggles  )

 

I'll try to install it on my Skyrim SE and will tell you if it works, and YES, I know,.. Skyrim LE and Skyrim SE are quite a bit different, but I guess it won't hurt if I try.

[DevilDoom]

44 minutes ago, DevilDoom said:

Can't really help from experience as I've recently dropped my Skyrim LE for only Skyrim SE (lack of space on my disks :'D ), but just wondering, were you following the instructions from the mod page? Many times people fail to get their mods to work just because they lack the understanding of how to install them.

 

If you did, then I guess there could be a "collision" between some other mod that is trying to add bones to the body. (I'd guess you should not have any other body mod on at the time, only textures)

After that's done, be sure to correctly build the body in the Bodyslide Studio, where the name has to include BHUNP 3BBB, as stated on the mod page. (Maybe the cause of the crash could be insufficient CPU power?, since SMP requires a bit more resources to process all them jiggles  )

 

I'll try to install it on my Skyrim SE and will tell you if it works, and YES, I know,.. Skyrim LE and Skyrim SE are quite a bit different, but I guess it won't hurt if I try.

Aight, so the installation should be simple enough,

for SMP based physics you pretty much only need to select that you indeed want them included (the mod does include all required SMP files as stated),

then you decide the breast size / cup size, textures that you use and that does the installation part.

 

Next of is BodySlide, which souldn't be too much of a problem.

Be sure however to build the "BHUNP" body AS WELL AS the "Collision Armor" for the SMP to work. (look at images below)

So, first of build a regular body with Outfit/Body set to BHUNP 3BBB (anything afterwards should also work).

 

Then build another one, this time however, you will require to select the "BHUNP 3BBB Collision Armor SMP Player" (for the player and from A-D for building the NPC cup size) under the Outfit/Body, which will build the SMP collisions for the body.

 

After that is done, I believe, comes the FNIS part, nothing too unusual to do.

 

That should do the trick I guess... 

Just run the game and test it out, there should also be an MCM menu with settings.

 

P.S. Again, just to be sure, I am playing Skyrim SE which could differ from the LE version. 

Hopefully this is even a bit helpfull

 

EDIT #1:

To be sure, try to troubleshoot the mods, and only install the required mods, which are

Bodyslide,

SkyUI,

MCM,

RaceMenu / Enhanced Character Edit,

XPMSE,

Fores new idles for Skyrim (FNIS),

selected textures for the UNP body.

AND of course, the BHUNP B333 mod itself

You could also add the alternative start just to skip the vanilla 1 hour intro. But that's just what I'd do if I wanted a quick result

 

If the crashing persists then I'd guess either your system or an unlucky star that's shining right above you  (the other one was a joke, sorry)...

 

EDIT #2:

I've just spotted some people already mentioning the crashed occurring, which gives me a guess again, either the systems fault or there could be something wrong with the "European Version" as seen in the bugs tag of the mod page.

Oh and don't use SMP on NPCs as it will 100% break the game unless you run the game on NASA PC.

 

 

[jedijoe24]

3 hours ago, DevilDoom said:

Aight, so the installation should be simple enough,

for SMP based physics you pretty much only need to select that you indeed want them included (the mod does include all required SMP files as stated),

then you decide the breast size / cup size, textures that you use and that does the installation part.

 

Next of is BodySlide, which souldn't be too much of a problem.

Be sure however to build the "BHUNP" body AS WELL AS the "Collision Armor" for the SMP to work. (look at images below)

So, first of build a regular body with Outfit/Body set to BHUNP 3BBB (anything afterwards should also work).

 

Then build another one, this time however, you will require to select the "BHUNP 3BBB Collision Armor SMP Player" (for the player and from A-D for building the NPC cup size) under the Outfit/Body, which will build the SMP collisions for the body.

 

After that is done, I believe, comes the FNIS part, nothing too unusual to do.

 

That should do the trick I guess... 

Just run the game and test it out, there should also be an MCM menu with settings.

 

P.S. Again, just to be sure, I am playing Skyrim SE which could differ from the LE version. 

Hopefully this is even a bit helpfull

 

EDIT #1:

To be sure, try to troubleshoot the mods, and only install the required mods, which are

Bodyslide,

SkyUI,

MCM,

RaceMenu / Enhanced Character Edit,

XPMSE,

Fores new idles for Skyrim (FNIS),

selected textures for the UNP body.

AND of course, the BHUNP B333 mod itself

You could also add the alternative start just to skip the vanilla 1 hour intro. But that's just what I'd do if I wanted a quick result

 

If the crashing persists then I'd guess either your system or an unlucky star that's shining right above you  (the other one was a joke, sorry)...

 

EDIT #2:

I've just spotted some people already mentioning the crashed occurring, which gives me a guess again, either the systems fault or there could be something wrong with the "European Version" as seen in the bugs tag of the mod page.

Oh and don't use SMP on NPCs as it will 100% break the game unless you run the game on NASA PC.

 

 

Thank you.  You are most appreciated.  You have given very good advice with excellent detail. 

I followed the instructions and built the bodies and tried SMP for only my own character etc., however, I found some advice (somewhere...) mentioning that Skyrim LE and SMP have problems on AMD processors, and, well, I have an AMD 3400M APU with Radeon at 1.4 GHz.  So, I might just not have a "good enough" system in the first place.  Skyrim SE on my system already begins to lower my frame rate, for example.  I am still quite happy with Skyrim LE though, even heavily modded (Sexlab, iNeed, Hunterborn, SMIM, Immersive everything... and R.A.S.S. etc.).  (RASS is a newer less script heavy version of Wet and Cold, and works better in my opinion.)

Others suggest using only the 2BBB (not 3BBB) version of BHUNP.  I can already achieve similar "looks and shapes," I was looking forward to the extra physics on the breasts...  Oh well.  If I find some way, I will try to make a post about it.

Thanks again.

[DevilDoom]

49 minutes ago, jedijoe24 said:

Thank you.  You are most appreciated.  You have given very good advice with excellent detail. 

I followed the instructions and built the bodies and tried SMP for only my own character etc., however, I found some advice (somewhere...) mentioning that Skyrim LE and SMP have problems on AMD processors, and, well, I have an AMD 3400M APU with Radeon at 1.4 GHz.  So, I might just not have a "good enough" system in the first place.  Skyrim SE on my system already begins to lower my frame rate, for example.  I am still quite happy with Skyrim LE though, even heavily modded (Sexlab, iNeed, Hunterborn, SMIM, Immersive everything... and R.A.S.S. etc.).  (RASS is a newer less script heavy version of Wet and Cold, and works better in my opinion.)

Others suggest using only the 2BBB (not 3BBB) version of BHUNP.  I can already achieve similar "looks and shapes," I was looking forward to the extra physics on the breasts...  Oh well.  If I find some way, I will try to make a post about it.

Thanks again.

Maybe in the near future you will upgrade said CPU and will be then able to see those extra physics

Till then, I am glad I could have at least tried to help.

[zlota]

On 6/25/2020 at 1:30 PM, DevilDoom said:

I am kinda surprised as I use Ryzen 2400g and GTX 1660 atm and SSE works fine with SMP... went for 3BBB, just because I prefer CBBE based body over UNP / UUNP.

And last time I checked, the game ran smoothly on 60+ FPS. I am running on 1080 tho, so that could be the reason? (High preset, just because of many texture and other more FPS consuming mods)...

 

EDIT: I've been mostly traveling thought the dungeons but outside the FPS does manage to drop to about 40 FPS constant.

 

As mentioned, I do prefer / find 3BBB more suitable over BHUNP, even though I haven't really given alot of time to UNP bodies over all. I guess it's kinda like, whichever body type you first see and get used to, you might stick with it.

Don't get me wrong SMP itself works quite well and stability is sometimes even better than HDT.

 

But other issues mentioned above prevents me to enjoy SMP right now.

 

I can't compare CBBE 3BBB and BHUNP cause I play LE only. And also I'm taking break from Skyrim right now.

[Iarandir]

On 5/30/2020 at 7:41 AM, Oreloth said:

Where did you see that? Please, if you have nothing to say, say nothing.

 

Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm feeding the troll, I don't know. What I do know is that you are, as you pointed out, in the Skyrim forum. When you should be in the Skyrim: Special Edition Forum. If you are incapable of navigating the site well enough to find it, ask for help.

Yes I did note that you replied to two posts that attempted to point this out which are no longer here.

[DevilDoom]

On 6/27/2020 at 11:43 AM, zlota said:

Don't get me wrong SMP itself works quite well and stability is sometimes even better than HDT.

 

But other issues mentioned above prevents me to enjoy SMP right now.

 

I can't compare CBBE 3BBB and BHUNP cause I play LE only. And also I'm taking break from Skyrim right now.

Understandable, I did enjoy Skyrim LE for quite some time as well, but somehow got pulled to SE.

[hokies001]

BHUNP and 3BBB have identical poly counts. However BHUNP Advanced Poly count is much higher than either. The question becomes can your rig handle it? If your are looking for a solid physics setup of of the wrapper they both are good, but cbbe smp (3bbb) is probably the most realistic out of them all.

 

Based on all that info and looking through the status of stability your best option for a stable body to work with is standard 3BBB - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/30174

 

BHUNP is a work in progress and CBBE SMP 3BBB is also having some issues.

[xXi_Ashley_iXx]

I'm mostly still on LE and I mainly use BHUNP.
I may switch to SSE eventually.

[EDIT]
The main thing that is going to suck is redownloading mods and getting everything set up again.

[gurugeorge]

Having just done a CBBE 3BBB/3BA setup, I'm now investigating BHUNP, and it has to be said, both are really excellent, and the choice just comes down to slightly more idealized (CBBE) vs slightly more realistic (UNP) general shape.  Both have their charms, and their particular drawbacks.  And while even 3BA is getting a lot of armors now, BHUNP isn't that far behind.

 

Combined with the high poly head and 8k textures, either is proper next-gen Skyrim.