Help, my schlong keeps shrinking! [SoS + Manipulator + RaceMenu]

[Eruionmel]

Well, Sven's does, anyway. ?

Here is a screenshot story of what's happening:
(I apologize, you do have to log in to imgur, since it's mature content.)

https://imgur.com/a/qYqDK4L?

As you can see, I have quite a few mods running, and they're all working super smoothly (after about 12 hours of fiddling, but I digress). The main ones at play here are SoS, Manipulator, and RaceMenu.

When I make changes to an NPC's genitals using Manipulator's RaceMenu customization setting, they hold true at first, but something wonky happens when I resume a save, where a bunch of the settings go totally crazy (most often causing the tip to shrink down to a tiny pin, which is very distressing). While messing with the sliders afterward, changing some of them by a large amount causes other sections to suddenly pop back up to a similar size to what they should be, but changing even more sliders causes them to increase even more, which can cause some... ehm, ballooning issues. Regardless of what I change to get it back to where I want it, it just goes crazy again the next time I load a save. As you can see in the comparison between Sven and myself, I am having no issue with RaceMenu's customization on my own character (hanging slightly to the left, flat glans, etc.), which leads me to believe that it is related to Manipulator; however, I'm pretty inexperienced in all of this, so I'm hesitant to pin it on something for certain.

Things I have tried:

• Changing the SoS penis type (same issue no matter which penis it is)
• Reloading SoS (doesn't change anything)
• Reinstalling Manipulator (no change)
• Changing the SoS size (adjusts the overall size, but custom settings remain as they are, whether it's pre or post save-load)
• Turning off SoS percentage scaling (I have the range set to 1-20, but with an 80% size reduction, so I get a really good variety of sizes without things looking comical. Also didn't work, though)
• And probably a few other small things that I'm forgetting

 

Anyone have any ideas on what might be happening? The good news is that the shape does go back to normal if I put all the settings back to their original positions, so I can keep him from looking... unfortunate. But that kinda eliminates most of the point of having Manipulator, unfortunately.

PS. My apologies if I'm in the wrong forum section! Let me know where I should be, and I will head over.

[anjenthedog]

feminine hormones in the water. And gosh darn it, stop smoking !!!
 

May or not help... I had a weird problem with schlongs way back when I had OSA OSEX installed. One of the many many symptoms that went away once I got rid of it and had purged all of its leftovers was that when it *was installed scholong size was a crap shoot. Sometimes it would pop up as a mammoth 2-1/2 foot long 6 inch thick squash that would make a giant feel inferior, other times a microscopic pencil ...

 

For a while before I dumped OSA OSEX I just stopped all "engagements" because it was so disturbing.

[Eruionmel]

25 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

feminine hormones in the water. And gosh darn it, stop smoking !!!
 

May or not help... I had a weird problem with schlongs way back when I had OSA OSEX installed. One of the many many symptoms that went away once I got rid of it and had purged all of its leftovers was that when it *was installed scholong size was a crap shoot. Sometimes it would pop up as a mammoth 2-1/2 foot long 6 inch thick squash that would make a giant feel inferior, other times a microscopic pencil ...

 

For a while before I dumped OSA OSEX I just stopped all "engagements" because it was so disturbing.

Ha! 

I don't have OSEX installed, nor have I previously, so that's out, I'm afraid. All of my dirty mods have been strictly appearance related so far, with the exception of the necessary dependency addons (like the animation one).

[Eruionmel]

I realized the imgur link may be a bit cumbersome, so here's a composite:

[anjenthedog]

1 hour ago, Eruionmel said:

I realized the imgur link may be a bit cumbersome, so here's a composite:

Yeah... unfortunately it is. it doesn't link or show on page. As long as you make a link to the image public (some people forget to do that) it's not bad

 

Anyway, I'm sure most around here have seen something like it though (this IS loverslab after all) In my experience, some NPCs are um "not so well endowed." (depending on how you set up the randomizer in SOS) 

 

Have you tried using Lazy Tools? there's a section for  "body" that allows a limited number of direct proportional adjustments, one of which is Genitals, which *might provide some positive results on a one by one case. (Lazy Tools works like Manipulator in that way, ie, you must target a character to adjust them.

 

re-reading your bullet list something caught my eye... your problem *may stem from

 

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Turning off SoS percentage scaling (I have the range set to 1-20, but with an 80% size reduction, so I get a really good variety of sizes without things looking comical. Also didn't work, though)

 

I'd be inclined to reset that scale to 1:1 just to clear any potential for scaling issues.

[Eruionmel]

2 hours ago, anjenthedog said:

Yeah... unfortunately it is. it doesn't link or show on page. As long as you make a link to the image public (some people forget to do that) it's not bad

 

Anyway, I'm sure most around here have seen something like it though (this IS loverslab after all) In my experience, some NPCs are um "not so well endowed." (depending on how you set up the randomizer in SOS) 

 

Have you tried using Lazy Tools? there's a section for  "body" that allows a limited number of direct proportional adjustments, one of which is Genitals, which *might provide some positive results on a one by one case. (Lazy Tools works like Manipulator in that way, ie, you must target a character to adjust them.

 

re-reading your bullet list something caught my eye... your problem *may stem from

 

 

I'd be inclined to reset that scale to 1:1 just to clear any potential for scaling issues.

Hmm. Any change now?

So, it's not an issue with all parts of the penis being too small. Usually the base is still large, but sections, like, 4-6 shrink to be about 20% the size of the rest. It looks like a bugle (the snack chip). I reset the scale on SoS back to 1:1, then changed to 40%, then back to 80%, and the problem persisted through each of those changes. Does Lazy Tools allow for as much customization as Manipulator? I'll definitely check it out.

Edit: I've figured out that the "Roll" slider does not have this problem, which leads me to think that it is related to the thickness slider (and possibly also the length, but I know for sure thickness is the main culprit).

[Illana]

probably something to do with manipulator as it works fine for your character

[anjenthedog]

8 hours ago, Eruionmel said:

Hmm. Any change now?

So, it's not an issue with all parts of the penis being too small. Usually the base is still large, but sections, like, 4-6 shrink to be about 20% the size of the rest. It looks like a bugle (the snack chip). I reset the scale on SoS back to 1:1, then changed to 40%, then back to 80%, and the problem persisted through each of those changes. Does Lazy Tools allow for as much customization as Manipulator? I'll definitely check it out.

Edit: I've figured out that the "Roll" slider does not have this problem, which leads me to think that it is related to the thickness slider (and possibly also the length, but I know for sure thickness is the main culprit).

Ohhhhhhhh. You've been fiddling with the basic penis design. I see. I've never gone to that trouble, just size and type selection. 

 

I have no idea about customizing those. I just play with whatever the author created and adjust the "size"

 

I'd be inclined to reset all the special penis adjustment variables back to their native ones, then start the tweaking again from scratch, using much less aggressive adjustments (kinda like making realistic breasts or body shapes. it's all in the fine adjustments)

 

It might seem like wasting time, but doing it too quickly can lead to even greater wastes of time. 

 

Well, I'm out of my water, (re: customize penises) so to speak, so I'll end with a hearty "good luck!" and leave it at that.

[Eruionmel]

14 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

Ohhhhhhhh. You've been fiddling with the basic penis design. I see. I've never gone to that trouble, just size and type selection. 

 

I have no idea about customizing those. I just play with whatever the author created and adjust the "size"

 

I'd be inclined to reset all the special penis adjustment variables back to their native ones, then start the tweaking again from scratch, using much less aggressive adjustments (kinda like making realistic breasts or body shapes. it's all in the fine adjustments)

 

It might seem like wasting time, but doing it too quickly can lead to even greater wastes of time. 

 

Well, I'm out of my water, (re: customize penises) so to speak, so I'll end with a hearty "good luck!" and leave it at that.

Yeah, that was one of the main things I tried. Even with just a couple ticks in one direction for thickness, it basically reversed the number (made it thinner instead of thicker) once I reloaded the game. I appreciate you trying!

[anjenthedog]

busybody me.

 

Ok, then try this

1) uninstall SOS

2) play

3) new save

4) fallrim to cleanup save and purge any SOS leftovers from it.

5) reinstall SOS

6) don't touch the basic penis design for a while, and when you do, be very very careful.

[Eruionmel]

9 minutes ago, anjenthedog said:

busybody me.

 

Ok, then try this

1) uninstall SOS

2) play

3) new save

4) fallrim to cleanup save and purge any SOS leftovers from it.

5) reinstall SOS

6) don't touch the basic penis design for a while, and when you do, be very very careful.

Oh, it's not a huge issue in the current playthrough. Like I said earlier, if I set the settings back to default, it goes back to normal; I'm just not able to do what Manipulator is supposed to be able to do, so I would prefer to troubleshoot it. I realized while poking around that you can ask questions directly in the threads for mods, and I'm like 99% sure it's Manipulator that's the issue at this point (the RaceMenu script, specifically), so I'm asking in that thread to see if more specialized knowledge manages to dig up the issue. So far no luck, but we'll see! Thank you again for your help.

[Yinkle]

If you are willing to experiment and learn a bit, you could try using racemenu's in-built "BodyGen" functionality instead of manipulator. It does require a bit of study but it works very well if you just want to set certain sliders to a specific value for an npc (or bunch of npcs from a specific mod). You could also set a value range for every npc in the game which introduces some randomness.

 

As an example this would set random sizes between 2 values (0.0 and the 2nd value after the colon) for a few sliders on every female npc in the game:

 

in "\Meshes\actors\character\BodyGenData\Skyrim.esm\morphs.ini"

All|Female=Breasts,Butt

 

and in "\Meshes\actors\character\BodyGenData\Skyrim.esm\templates.ini"

Breasts=BreastsNewSH@0.0:0.2, Breasts@0.0:0.5
Butt=Butt@0.0:0.3, BigButt@0.0:0.3, HipBone@0.0:0.5

 

The one caveat being that once these values are set you can't remove them on a current save game afaik. There may be a way to do this via script but I've not delved that far.

[Illana]

8 hours ago, Yinkle said:

If you are willing to experiment and learn a bit, you could try using racemenu's in-built "BodyGen" functionality instead of manipulator. It does require a bit of study but it works very well if you just want to set certain sliders to a specific value for an npc (or bunch of npcs from a specific mod). You could also set a value range for every npc in the game which introduces some randomness.

 

As an example this would set random sizes between 2 values (0.0 and the 2nd value after the colon) for a few sliders on every female npc in the game:

 

in "\Meshes\actors\character\BodyGenData\Skyrim.esm\morphs.ini"

All|Female=Breasts,Butt

 

and in "\Meshes\actors\character\BodyGenData\Skyrim.esm\templates.ini"

Breasts=BreastsNewSH@0.0:0.2, Breasts@0.0:0.5
Butt=Butt@0.0:0.3, BigButt@0.0:0.3, HipBone@0.0:0.5

 

The one caveat being that once these values are set you can't remove them on a current save game afaik. There may be a way to do this via script but I've not delved that far.

you can remove a morph but cannot reassign so it will just be zeroed body

 

console command: skee erase bodymorph

[dicentra]

On 5/28/2020 at 5:36 PM, Eruionmel said:

When I make changes to an NPC's genitals using Manipulator's RaceMenu customization setting, they hold true at first, but something wonky happens when I resume a save, where a bunch of the settings go totally crazy (most often causing the tip to shrink down to a tiny pin, which is very distressing). While messing with the sliders afterward, changing some of them by a large amount causes other sections to suddenly pop back up to a similar size to what they should be, but changing even more sliders causes them to increase even more, which can cause some... ehm, ballooning issues. Regardless of what I change to get it back to where I want it, it just goes crazy again the next time I load a save. As you can see in the comparison between Sven and myself, I am having no issue with RaceMenu's customization on my own character (hanging slightly to the left, flat glans, etc.), which leads me to believe that it is related to Manipulator; however, I'm pretty inexperienced in all of this, so I'm hesitant to pin it on something for certain.

 Hey, did you ever figure out how to solve this issue? I'm having this exact problem with SOS/Manipulater/Race Menu and it's so frustrating! I just want my follower to have an awesome schlong, but after reload it always winds up looking like he has a super fat two inch penis with six inches of dangling foreskin ? Kind of hard to respect him when that happens.

 

I thought it might have something to do with load order, but I don't know enough to fix it. What have you figured out?

 

Thanks

[procyonlotor]

On 5/28/2020 at 8:36 PM, Eruionmel said:

When I make changes to an NPC's genitals using Manipulator's RaceMenu customization setting, they hold true at first, but something wonky happens when I resume a save, where a bunch of the settings go totally crazy (most often causing the tip to shrink down to a tiny pin, which is very distressing). While messing with the sliders afterward, changing some of them by a large amount causes other sections to suddenly pop back up to a similar size to what they should be, but changing even more sliders causes them to increase even more, which can cause some... ehm, ballooning issues. Regardless of what I change to get it back to where I want it, it just goes crazy again the next time I load a save. As you can see in the comparison between Sven and myself, I am having no issue with RaceMenu's customization on my own character (hanging slightly to the left, flat glans, etc.), which leads me to believe that it is related to Manipulator; however, I'm pretty inexperienced in all of this, so I'm hesitant to pin it on something for certain.

 

I'm having this same issue as well where changes made in EFF's Racemenu on NPCs work at first, but after loading will hold old values for 1 second, and then morph into a very weird grotesque shape. Does anyone have any insights? Lots of people are having this problem it appears but none of the threads actually found solutions :/

[dieselpowered]

On 2/4/2021 at 4:58 PM, procyonlotor said:

 

I'm having this same issue as well where changes made in EFF's Racemenu on NPCs work at first, but after loading will hold old values for 1 second, and then morph into a very weird grotesque shape. Does anyone have any insights? Lots of people are having this problem it appears but none of the threads actually found solutions :/

It really hurts when you finally find someone with the exact same issue as the one you have, and then the thread ends. I hope for both our sakes that a sollution will show itself soon, until then i guess i'll keep digging.

[Sylia666]

On 5/29/2021 at 10:09 PM, dieselpowered said:

It really hurts when you finally find someone with the exact same issue as the one you have, and then the thread ends. I hope for both our sakes that a sollution will show itself soon, until then i guess i'll keep digging.

Did you find a solution for this yet?
I'm having the exact same issue:
* when using manipulator to change the thickness and length of an NPCs schlong, it works fine at first
* as soon as there's a loading screen (entering new area, loading save) the schlong transforms into reaally grotesque shapes and lengths
  * I experienced from tiny micro to huuuge cone shaped variations
* I could not find any pattern - I even tried to not trust the visuals in manipulator and went from tiny 0.1 ticks to maxing out the sliders - all the same result after a loading screen
* even when trying to "zero" sliders/default settings back after the issue it didn't went away - leaving me to reload a save where I didn't manipulate yet 

Edited June 1, 2021 by Sylia666

[dieselpowered]

On 6/1/2021 at 7:58 AM, Sylia666 said:

Did you find a solution for this yet?
I'm having the exact same issue:
* when using manipulator to change the thickness and length of an NPCs schlong, it works fine at first
* as soon as there's a loading screen (entering new area, loading save) the schlong transforms into reaally grotesque shapes and lengths
  * I experienced from tiny micro to huuuge cone shaped variations
* I could not find any pattern - I even tried to not trust the visuals in manipulator and went from tiny 0.1 ticks to maxing out the sliders - all the same result after a loading screen
* even when trying to "zero" sliders/default settings back after the issue it didn't went away - leaving me to reload a save where I didn't manipulate yet 

Unfortunately not. Last time i tried to find a solution a few months ago, someone made me a patch that would supposedly fix the problem, however it uh... didn't. If that guy was right, the problem is caused by the game not having time to read the schlong "settings" in the brief time it takes to load actor data when you load a save or enter a new cell. It is obviously entirely possible that a different issue with the same symptom is causing this, but this is the best lead i got. I'll attach the patch just in case, but as i said, i haven't gotten it to work, but hey you might (if you do please let me know lol).

SOSReschlongifyPatch_3_000_004.zip

[Sylia666]

On 6/4/2021 at 4:45 PM, dieselpowered said:

ll attach the patch just in case, but as i said, i haven't gotten it to work

Thank you!
But this unfortunately does not work for me either. Same behavior as above ?

But thanks for sharing anyway ❤️

[FluffyDaemon]

I'm having the same problem.

Although in my case the genitals don't transform into any weird shapes, they just revert back to their defaults.

Edited April 21, 2022 by FluffyDaemon

[hamletsdead]

Make sure to have the addon plugins (e.g., Vector Plexus Muscular, Average, Smurf) loading in the right pane on MO2 beneath the SOS.esp, and RaceMenuSOS.esp load after that.  When you load back in-game you'll . . . see the giant monster you created. PITA to diagnose, but that fixes it.

[chooo]

One of the best thread titles ever... "Help, my schlong keeps shrinking!"

[xXDeliteXx]

Wow this is crazy no one was ever able to fix this
I've always had this issue, decided to make a new futa character after a long time and totally forgot about it
Wanted to actually fix it
But I guess that's down the drain
It's very very strange, the character will retain the racemenu data, and then once you close the racemenu it's almost as if a script runs to reset it.
I have no clue if that's intentional or not. 

Oh well, the world needs less futas and futa-lovers alike anyways ?

Edited July 3, 2022 by xXDeliteXx

[fuggy]

Having this issue too I think? I make changes in Racemenu, close it, it applies correctly for like a second, then poof it's all small and deformed. I'm new to all this sex modding stuff, I just want my femboy race mod to werk  : /

 

I heard some saying that this mod is sorta out of date, but race mod I want to use requires it so I think I'm cooked. If anyone knows similar mod, or anything let me know ig

Edited July 9, 2025 by fuggy

[Langnese]

On 7/9/2025 at 2:25 AM, fuggy said:

Having this issue too I think? I make changes in Racemenu, close it, it applies correctly for like a second, then poof it's all small and deformed. I'm new to all this sex modding stuff, I just want my femboy race mod to werk  : /

 

I heard some saying that this mod is sorta out of date, but race mod I want to use requires it so I think I'm cooked. If anyone knows similar mod, or anything let me know ig

I have the exact same Problem and no Idea what caused this and how to solve it.