Karli2 Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I have a decent computer with quad core 3.0 GHz 6 GB Ram 2 GB Nvidia graphics card and I am trying to run this game on high. Skyrim works perfectly and I have 255 mods (that I need to reduce) running with only rare crashes to my game. Fallout New Vegas, I have around 100 or less mods running with constant crashing especially around the strip and the land surrounding the strip. I have the Nvidia d3d9.dll and the stutter remover. Running the game with the 4gb loader doesn't seem to have an effect (although I haven't used it in some time). I believe my game is crashing through the number of npcs or the high texture it loads. I also experience crashes when factions are redressed such as NCR Rearmed or Caesar's legend rearmed. Is it a matter of increasing (or in my case replacing) RAM or replacing my system with a barebones processor? Is replacing my RAM better than a barebones system with I7 Quadcore 3.6 GHz? If anyone knows any links to cheap, high capacity dd3 RAM, I'd love to see it. Is heating an issue? I have the capabilities to transfer hardrive data to other hardrives. Edit-Just found a AMD I7 8 core 3.2 GHz computer and it's completely affordable. WANT
KainsChylde Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 New Vegas is a notoriously unstable game. There are a few things you can do to make it a little more stable, but you're gonna have crashing periodically no matter how good you get it running. -Get New Vegas Stutter Reducer. Does what it says on the tin. -Get any one of several bugfix mods. In my opinion Mission Mojave Ultimate Edition is the best, but there are others. -This is probably a no duh for an experienced Bethesda fan, but make sure you've disabled all autosave options, and be sure that whenever you save its a new save, not overwriting an existing save. CASM is a good mod for this, it automatically creates new saves on a timed basis, and only keeps a set number of saves you can configure through MCM. There are various other fixes you can find on Nexus, and I'm sure other users will make other suggestions, but those three are at least a good start.
cornbreadtm Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 Yeah your doing the right things but FONV is going crash no matter what. I think someone on here made a joke that "its sentient and changes to your fixes, so it can remain unstable" its a pretty apt joke. XD Let me see, I use: Fake fullscreen with 4gb loader and NVSE FONV configurator to reduce the stutter. New Vegas Stutter Reducer NVEC with Mission Mojave -bug removers Nvidia d3d9.dll Better game performance -clutter remover, needed FNVEdit cleaning though Performance of the gods -clutter remover Merged Patch from FNVEdit along with cleaned my mods Bashed Patch from Wrye bash Proper load order from BOSS I use Ram free XP pro so I don't crash from memory use. and I have 121 Mods in my load order Most of them Sexout. and I crash the same about without the Sexout mods. I use CASM to save every minute. and on a fresh character I can play without crashing for about 3 hours, then its every 30 minutes until unplayable. On Skyrim I have 254 mods like you but pretty much never crash and I treat the game with the same level of care. FONV is evil I tell you! EVIL!
theskid Posted February 13, 2013 Posted February 13, 2013 I knew about the autosave thing but saving over old saves actually makes the game less stable? That's a new one for me, is that really right? I've tried lots of different things to reduce crashing, and pretty much I run relatively vanilla, the texture replacers beyond body, armor and a few weapons hold very little interest for me, I run about 40ish mods, mostly sexout stuff. I currently use the stutter remover, reduced my resolution from my native size to much smaller letterbox and run the standard high graphics settings, and use Mission Mojave as mentioned above. I've also recently started using the Zap Away http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/44805 It allows you to clean up dead bodies which should help keep saves smaller and less prone to corruption. Generally I can do a nights playing of 2-4 hours, with no crashes.
Karli2 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 Really appreciate the feedback. Seems all I need is an ungodly amount of patches, clutter removers and programs to patch with. *sigh* Thank god I found casm I while back.
cornbreadtm Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 This post explains FNVEdit's 'Masterupdate' very well. It might help you as well. http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/305357-save-crashing-issues/
theskid Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Interestingly enough, I was told in this thread here http://www.loverslab.com/topic/13041-some-simple-questions-about-installation-fnvedit-and-master-update-mode/?do=findComment&comment=287320 to never use master update with new vegas
cornbreadtm Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Makes my game run super smooth (no delay on actions like using the pipboy and other noticeable performance boosts) but it doesn't stop the crashes So it doesn't matter whether you use it or not. Just makes it easier to play while you wait for the desktop.
BruceWayne Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 I'm assuming masterupdate wasn't the only thing you did to improve performance. It actually has no influence on performance whatsoever and almost guarantees crashes on its own merit. One thing I have found to improve my performance was to reduce water details like reflection and refraction. While my system is more than capable to handle FNV on maximum settings, the framerate and microstutter around bodies of water in my heavily modded game was abysmal.
Karli2 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 All I needed was an older version of the 4gb, play on windowed mode and use the fake fullscreen mod.
Guest prodlimen Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Hey there!. I'm glad to have found this thread. I'm using most of the things that cornbreadtm mentioned, with exception of Perfomance of the gods, Bash Patch and NVEC. In fact, yesterday I tried Ram free XP pro and I was glad to get more FPS and stability XD!. I've been trying to get Fallout New Vegas to work ok for almost 2 years...I've searched everywhere something that could stop the crashing, but it's true, it's very unstable. Specially if you're using lots and lots of mods. However, you could use all that he mentioned to get the game more close to what stability means. At least you'll be able to reduce the number of crashes. Well, here are my two cents that can improve perfomance, stability and the gameplay experience: A tale of Two wastelands (TTW) : http://www.taleoftwowastelands.com/ I'm not sure what does it does, but the game is a whole lot more stable with it. I was a Requiem of Capital Wasteland user since it was released, and I've experienced both it's crashes and the ones you got when you're playing vanilla FNV. When I finally installed TTW, everything changed XD. If you use a reduced number of mods or none at all, you'll be in paradise...the game will run pretty smoothly. If you use a lot of mods, the game will crash, but it will be less frequent. You'll need to own legal copies of both FO3 and FNV to get it to work. Fallout New Vegas Optimized http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/46302/?tab=3&navtag=%2Fajax%2Fmodimages%2F%3Fuser%3D0%26id%3D46302 This mod it's basically a tweaked INI file that has all features set in a way to get the maximum performance. It has 4 alternatives according to the graphics configuration you're using (LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH, ULTRA). Blackout ENB http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/48203 An ENB Shadder that really improves game visual interface and performance. Besides, the lightning on interiors will have a great boost regarding to inmersion. Operation Fixed Terrain v3 http://www.fileplanet.com/222226/220000/fileinfo/Fallout:-New-Vegas---Operation-Fixed-Terrain-Mod This mod solves a lot of bugs in the Vanilla game; as far as I remember, it includes the Invisible Wall Remover mod, allowing the game to work with less things to load. The difference when you use this mod is very notorius. Not sure if NVEC already includes this feature, but It's working for me. Optimizer Textures http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/46074 It's a "most have". Not sure if you guys are in love with retexture mods like NMC, MUCHO or POCO BUENO, but this baby can help your game to handle those textures. If you reduce the size of the DDS files, the game uses less VRAM memory. Of course you get a loss in the visual interface, but if you use an ENB shadder like Blackout ENB or MIdhrastic ENB you won't notice the difference. Of course, your game will get a boost in performance!.
Karli2 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 Might as well start a new thread on how to optimize New Vegas. My game runs near as good as Skyrim, but I do run into persisting, unexplainable crashes (probably due to fallout's save mechanics). Anyone mind responding to my other topic? I'm looking for a particular clothing store in Freeside. The original author of the mod was banned from the Nexus.
Contessa Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Hey there!. I'm glad to have found this thread. I'm using most of the things that cornbreadtm mentioned, with exception of Perfomance of the gods, Bash Patch and NVEC. In fact, yesterday I tried Ram free XP pro and I was glad to get more FPS and stability XD!. I've been trying to get Fallout New Vegas to work ok for almost 2 years...I've searched everywhere something that could stop the crashing, but it's true, it's very unstable. Specially if you're using lots and lots of mods. However, you could use all that he mentioned to get the game more close to what stability means. At least you'll be able to reduce the number of crashes. Well, here are my two cents that can improve perfomance, stability and the gameplay experience: A tale of Two wastelands (TTW) : http://www.taleoftwowastelands.com/ I'm not sure what does it does, but the game is a whole lot more stable with it. I was a Requiem of Capital Wasteland user since it was released, and I've experienced both it's crashes and the ones you got when you're playing vanilla FNV. When I finally installed TTW, everything changed XD. If you use a reduced number of mods or none at all, you'll be in paradise...the game will run pretty smoothly. If you use a lot of mods, the game will crash, but it will be less frequent. You'll need to own legal copies of both FO3 and FNV to get it to work. Fallout New Vegas Optimized http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/46302/?tab=3&navtag=%2Fajax%2Fmodimages%2F%3Fuser%3D0%26id%3D46302 This mod it's basically a tweaked INI file that has all features set in a way to get the maximum performance. It has 4 alternatives according to the graphics configuration you're using (LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH, ULTRA). Blackout ENB http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/48203 An ENB Shadder that really improves game visual interface and performance. Besides, the lightning on interiors will have a great boost regarding to inmersion. Operation Fixed Terrain v3 http://www.fileplanet.com/222226/220000/fileinfo/Fallout:-New-Vegas---Operation-Fixed-Terrain-Mod This mod solves a lot of bugs in the Vanilla game; as far as I remember, it includes the Invisible Wall Remover mod, allowing the game to work with less things to load. The difference when you use this mod is very notorius. Not sure if NVEC already includes this feature, but It's working for me. Optimizer Textures http://newvegas.nexusmods.com/mods/46074 It's a "most have". Not sure if you guys are in love with retexture mods like NMC, MUCHO or POCO BUENO, but this baby can help your game to handle those textures. If you reduce the size of the DDS files, the game uses less VRAM memory. Of course you get a loss in the visual interface, but if you use an ENB shadder like Blackout ENB or MIdhrastic ENB you won't notice the difference. Of course, your game will get a boost in performance!. Thanks for those links. I haven't seen any of those and am now using them with massively increased performance. I love it.
Karli2 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Posted February 17, 2013 For some reason, I get major stuttering (due to the mod patches I have) when I complete certain quests (Benny's at the Tops). I solved this by uninstalling mods. Is the stuttering caused by having too much mods? I am hitting around 125 to 150 mods. Also, the best think you can do to stabilize New Vegas is play on windowed mode, use an older version of the 4gb loader (the new version doesn't seem to work), maybe get custom .ini files and use the fake fullscreen loader to cover the hideous window of windowed mode.
Contessa Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 You could have too many script heavy mods, hard to say without a load order, but Fallout New Vegas is one of the most finicky games I've ever played in terms of general stability. Sometimes an old fashioned save and complete restart is the answer. Flush it out!
Karli2 Posted March 3, 2013 Author Posted March 3, 2013 My New Vegas likes to turn purple and spit ! Errors when I shoot my gun IF my mod count goes past 140. The solution is to use a FNV plugin (program) that combines mods. The only effet this has is on the unbearable loading times.
ElvenScoundrel Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 THE BEST MOD you can download to improve stability is, HANDS DOWN, Tale of Two Wastelands. Keep in mind, you need FO3 installed as well as ALL the DLCs, but I ran through Dead Money yesterday in one sitting with NO CRASHES, and that's after I did around 4 hours of menial Mojave shenanigans and over 160 mods activated. Tale of Two Wastelands works magic somehow and makes NV very, very stable.
Contessa Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 THE BEST MOD you can download to improve stability is, HANDS DOWN, Tale of Two Wastelands. Keep in mind, you need FO3 installed as well as ALL the DLCs, but I ran through Dead Money yesterday in one sitting with NO CRASHES, and that's after I did around 4 hours of menial Mojave shenanigans and over 160 mods activated. Tale of Two Wastelands works magic somehow and makes NV very, very stable. Looks like my search for FO3 shall commence! *Hops on my Fire Emblem Pegasus and into the wild blue yonder* Thanks for the tip!
ElvenScoundrel Posted March 4, 2013 Posted March 4, 2013 THE BEST MOD you can download to improve stability is, HANDS DOWN, Tale of Two Wastelands. Keep in mind, you need FO3 installed as well as ALL the DLCs, but I ran through Dead Money yesterday in one sitting with NO CRASHES, and that's after I did around 4 hours of menial Mojave shenanigans and over 160 mods activated. Tale of Two Wastelands works magic somehow and makes NV very, very stable. Looks like my search for FO3 shall commence! *Hops on my Fire Emblem Pegasus and into the wild blue yonder* Thanks for the tip! No problem, just hoping you enjoy TTW as I did as well as it's stability.
Guest prodlimen Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 THE BEST MOD you can download to improve stability is, HANDS DOWN, Tale of Two Wastelands. Keep in mind, you need FO3 installed as well as ALL the DLCs, but I ran through Dead Money yesterday in one sitting with NO CRASHES, and that's after I did around 4 hours of menial Mojave shenanigans and over 160 mods activated. Tale of Two Wastelands works magic somehow and makes NV very, very stable. I'll second this. The vanilla game was never so stable before. It's a treasure, besides it allows you to integrate FO3 to your gameplay. More quests, more companions, more places to visit...
Handsome Squidward Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 I decided to do the tale of two wastelands before you posted. But before I install the mod, how well does the tale of two wastelands handle mods? I run the game (almost) perfectly with no crashes if my mod count is below 140. I need to fix this. How does this mod help?
ElvenScoundrel Posted March 6, 2013 Posted March 6, 2013 It handles them just as well, I suppose. Not sure what you mean by your question. I'm using both FO3 and FNV mods in my game and it runs quite well.
Handsome Squidward Posted March 10, 2013 Posted March 10, 2013 Don't bother with a tale of two wastelands now. A 2.0 version is along the way that requires a new save file I believe. If anyone can get any mod that requires fose working on this, I request your help. Mos that add scripts like Mart Mutant Mods give me problems. Though I could be wrong. i ended f-ing my game with half the game covered in a "can't proceed in that direction" message. The 2.0 version is supposed to decrease start menu loading times and is suppose to enhance its compatibility.
ElvenScoundrel Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 Don't bother with a tale of two wastelands now. A 2.0 version is along the way that requires a new save file I believe. If anyone can get any mod that requires fose working on this, I request your help. Mos that add scripts like Mart Mutant Mods give me problems. Though I could be wrong. i ended f-ing my game with half the game covered in a "can't proceed in that direction" message. The 2.0 version is supposed to decrease start menu loading times and is suppose to enhance its compatibility. For FOSE mods, you need to recompile the scripts in NV's GECK to NVSE format.
Handsome Squidward Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 If you can direct me to a post with a guide either here or on their site, that would be awesome. Even better if you can waste your time teaching a newbie such as myself. You are incredibly helpful and that is fantastic. Opinion: Fallout 3's map design is far superior than New Vegas's, but the survival aspect and combat is lacking in FO3 and these aspects would be perfect in NV if it wasn't for the map design. Tale of two wastelands makes an amazing baby of that with problems. Hopefully FO4 conglomerates these aspects and merges that retro punk style I am hearing about.
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