Bravil Underground v0.96

[windglaive]

The problem with Mia is I don't get a "orders" option. I speak to her and she says along the lines of "it is humiliating to be violated by an ork" then the ork fucks her. No option No interruption no nothing. When i got the mission I talked to the madam talked to the novelist about what he wanted then talked to Onan about how to break a knight. The quest log never updated past talking to Onan. Really The quest wouldn't be giving me trouble if 1: It had given me a clue that Mai was the knight he wanted trained. (I thought she was just someone else from his research and I had to go out and find someone new.) And 2 if I could actually talk to the girl.

 

I really am trying not to sound pissy. I like the mod and am thankful for you bringing it. It's just frustrating when you have tried several solutions browsed through the forum and even done a targeted search and not found an answer.

[gregathit]

The Bravil Underground is quite dim & is giving me headaches.  Is there a way to brighten it up for just that mod?  Adjusting the in-game brightness is just making it washed out.

 

It is an underground mod thus it would be dark.  Bring a torch or use a light spell.

[gregathit]

The problem with Mia is I don't get a "orders" option. I speak to her and she says along the lines of "it is humiliating to be violated by an ork" then the ork fucks her. No option No interruption no nothing. When i got the mission I talked to the madam talked to the novelist about what he wanted then talked to Onan about how to break a knight. The quest log never updated past talking to Onan. Really The quest wouldn't be giving me trouble if 1: It had given me a clue that Mai was the knight he wanted trained. (I thought she was just someone else from his research and I had to go out and find someone new.) And 2 if I could actually talk to the girl.

 

I really am trying not to sound pissy. I like the mod and am thankful for you bringing it. It's just frustrating when you have tried several solutions browsed through the forum and even done a targeted search and not found an answer.

 

You don't talk to her.  Train her first and break her.  To do this YOU must have sex with her, not the orc.  If all else fails then get behind her and in sneak mod and club her with your slavers club to knock her out and enslave her.  Then you will have options when talking to her.  You can also use the narcolepsy spell if you got that plugin as I recommend in the OP.

[windglaive]

Sooooo am I going to need a rape or sexkey mod for that then? Because I try to activate her to give her orders like i do with any other NPC with an order's option and it goes right into the sex dialog. Hard to sneak club and enslave the girl with two other people in the room that get very angry if you do so. I'm not playing a super powered character. Just a little level one fresh out of the sewers.

 

 

Then again it might be that I skipped every single quest leading up to this. I try not to read things that will spoil my progression So when the quest to enter the underground ended after, tada, entering the underground I had no idea I was supposed to go to the arena or do quests for hanPL.

[gregathit]

This spell should enable you to knock her out and the cast your slave trader enslavement spell without everyone going nuts: http://oblivion.nexusmods.com/mods/9983/?

[fejeena]

windglaive, since more than half a year my "All quests and quest givers and Tips" exist. First in a spoiler on the first page, then as a Link.

 I just tested the quest.

you get the quest from Onan = quest update "My first job as a trainer.  I need to go to the prostitute's mansion and talk to Madam Sizma.  The Novelist can be found on the second floor in the private room at the back."

Talk to Sizma (Training work NOT Do you have another job for me?) Quest update "I have been asked to help the novelist write his book.  I should get more information from the novelist."

Talk to the Novelist (Training work) Quest update "I have been asked to train a female knight.  How in Oblivion am I going to do that?!  I better go see Onan for advice as I don't have a clue how to go about this."

Mia talks to you "... I will not willingly submit ... so you are wasting your time."

Now you can talk to Onan or train her.

No Quest update when you talk to Onan .

Training= talk to Mia, the last Dialog Option is "...Orders". tell her "follow me". Then click on the dog/goblin, choose Training  thenTraining (continuous).

Or talk to Mia again and choose "I will Train you"

 

If Mia has no Dialog Option "..Orders",  your load order is wrong or you use a old Version of LoversSlaveTrader.( only use LoversSlaveTrader_v1.0Final NOT LoversSlaveTrader_v91 or the Old Versions with LoversVictims. And LoversVictims is not compatible with LoversSlaveTrader_v1.0Final !!!)

 

And this is a roleplay mod not a follow questarrows-mod!!!! Walk around the City,talk to the People, ..... Why do you want to start quests if you don't know the location and the residents?

[windglaive]

I honestly thing there was a problem with the script hanging up. This can happen. I reloaded my save game back from when I just walked out of the sewers. I always keep one as a "clean save"  I met the person that runs the underground. did a couple of Hanpl's missions then did the first trainer mission It worked No hiccups at all. So what ever the problem was it was likely just my computer having a brain fart.

[Kail]

 

 

The Bravil Underground is quite dim & is giving me headaches. Is there a way to brighten it up for just that mod? Adjusting the in-game brightness is just making it washed out.

It is an underground mod thus it would be dark. Bring a torch or use a light spell.

You misunderstand; I am using a lightsouce (Starlight), however it is still dark enough that moving about is making me sick. I do not have this problem in games regular caves.

[gregathit]

Starlight is a vary dim light spell.  Use a stronger light spell or as I said before, a torch.  It is supposed to be dark as it is an underground city.  The mod was geared around folks using torches to see by.

[JSmith20142]

I'm glad to see Windglaive's problems are fixed. I'd just like to point out that for several of the training quests, sex with animals in not necessary for the breaking - just bang them yourself until they submit. Mia is one of these, no need for animals. The orc, Lord Rugdumph's daughter, is another, just usually takes 25-30 times. Mac and Cherry are the same. Ardaline is, of course.

 

The dog lady, Countess Carvain and Lady Drad do need the animals, either that or I lost patience too soon ( > 50 times). My heroines don't demean themselves by training males personally, so don't know about the Count's son or Glyn. Whoever you pick to give to the goblins needs a good long session with the creatures, too.

 

There is no way for the quest with the Count's son to work with Colourwheel's guard overhaul without using the console. The NPC the quest is looking for isn't in the game. I have a version of Bravil Underground that works with CW's overhaul, but I'm uncertain if it works when it's not present. It should, but would currently be too much hassle to test it.

 

 

[gregathit]

Yes, CW's most excellent overhaul does indeed break that particular quest.  You can overcome this with tes4edit by deleting the conflicting dialogue from your bashed patch (assuming here that you have CW's overhaul included in your bashed patch).  You could also do the same thing on a more permanent basis by editing CW's esp directly.

 

Creature sex is not always needed, but hey.....it is just some much fun to watch Mia get ravaged by the dog and goblin.  :lol: :lol:

[astymma]

The main problem with Mia is if you turn her into a Sex Slave and she has both the xLSTEnslavedToken from LoversSlaveTrade AND xLoversPkrFlagSlave. She will have both if you've used rapeslave on her or LST has fired the random chance of turning her into a sex slave during training. If this happens, her GREETING will move to the one provided by LoversSlaveTrader with the questid of xLSTGreeting100Quest with the greeting of "Yes Mistress/Master?". Since this quest has a priority of 100 and all the BU quests like Mia has are priority of 70, the greeting Mia is *supposed* to play once her training is complete to advance her xxLSTTG01 quest (The Novelist's Book) to stage 20 will never fire. It will also never fire if ANY quest at all has a greeting she can play from a quest with a priority above the BU quest's 70. TBH, quest stage advancement should NEVER be done in a GREETING because this problem can happen with ANY mod using a high quest priority generic GREETING handler... in this case, amusingly enough, it's in BU's dependency LST.

 

You can temporarily fix this by changing the quest priority of BU's xxLSTTG01 quest to 100 and LST's xLSTGreeting100Quest to 99 *OR* just lower xLSTGreeting100Quest priority to 69. Have it advance the quest to stage 20 and then change the priorities back to where they were.

 

Either that or check her Training Progress and if she's got Human >= 10 and Creature >= 10 just "setstage xxLSTTG01 20".

[GMac2021]

@astymma:

 

I have received the "Yes Mistress/Master?" greeting twice while training BU quest NPCs, and have still been able to finish the quests "and break them" by continueing to force them to have sex.

 

When LST fires off it will say "So and so is broken and is now addicted to sex" (or something similar). I just keep training them or prostituting them out for money and they eventually meet the quest criterium.

 

Also - As soon as I cured the Count of Bravil's son from his Skooma addiction and finished the quest, the little bastard marched right back to the Skoom den! He needs more training, me thinks! 

 

 

[astymma]

It doesn't stop you from breaking them if breaking is the objective. Mia's issue is that there's a GREETING she's supposed to fire once she's reached the correct number of human and creature training sessions. It advances the quest to stage 20. If another quest has a greeting with a higher quest priority in her stack, she'll use it instead and the quest never advances. She's supposed to say the greeting topic of xx05CF51 and say "I am annoyed... just so you know!" and that topic advances the quest.

 

There's two "Yes Mistress/Master?" greeting topics from LST btw... one is a lower priority than the BU quest, the one I mentioned is priority 100 and will block BU's quests from advancing stages. It's only a problem if you turn Mia into a sex slave via breaking her in BU training or you turn her into a sex slave via LoversRapeSlave or any other mod that adds the xLoversPkrFlagSlave token. That's when you get the LST greeting topic with priority 100. Heck, you also get the priority 61 "Yes Mistress/Master?" greeting from that token combination as well, but that greeting will never fire because the priority 100 greeting has the same conditions.

[astymma]

Heh, beginning to think my copy of the esp is broken. Started "The Wayward Daughter" and all of Lady Rugdumph's quest stage advancers require "greater than or equal to 30 getitemcount [NULL REFERENCE: 00000000]". That'll never fire either.

 

Redownloading the mod and having a look.

 

EDIT: Yup, the esp was broken... it was missing LST as a master and all references to LST had become null references... clean save and re-install for me and I'll retest... enjoying the mod tremendously so far. The new copy properly lists the getitemcount as >=30 xLSTHumanSexNumber like it should.

[gregathit]

Heh, beginning to think my copy of the esp is broken. Started "The Wayward Daughter" and all of Lady Rugdumph's quest stage advancers require "greater than or equal to 30 getitemcount [NULL REFERENCE: 00000000]". That'll never fire either.

 

Redownloading the mod and having a look.

 

EDIT: Yup, the esp was broken... it was missing LST as a master and all references to LST had become null references... clean save and re-install for me and I'll retest... enjoying the mod tremendously so far. The new copy properly lists the getitemcount as >=30 xLSTHumanSexNumber like it should.

 

 

I wonder how old that copy was?  I don't remember either the original Japanese modder or me changing anything other than the dialogue on the wayward daughter.

 

Hope you do enjoy it and my snarky sense of humor.  Much of the Japanese used in this mod was slang, which was utterly untranslatable.  It forced me to play the mod and come up with my own ideas on what they might have been saying and\or doing.  Trying to be creative like that nearly broke me!  I quickly came to have a MASSIVE appreciation for folks like Galgat, Grumpf and you Sexout guys who make those excellent quest mods.  My meager few talents simply don't include creative content.  It takes a special person to think up and implement that type of thing!

[astymma]

Oh no, it was the version of the esp currently linked. I had edited it in the CS and forgot to esm-ify LST...le oops. The CS then "helpfully" removed the master entry.

 

The problem with Mia I mentioned is an actual problem. Any time you advance a quest stage or perform some other important task in a GREETING, you leave yourself open for breaking the quest if another mod comes along with a generic GREETING with a quest priority higher than yours. BU has a lot of that vulnerability.

[gregathit]

Oh no, it was the version of the esp currently linked. I had edited it in the CS and forgot to esm-ify LST...le oops. The CS then "helpfully" removed the master entry.

 

 

Ah, that makes sense.  You had me worried for a minute.

 

 

The problem with Mia I mentioned is an actual problem. Any time you advance a quest stage or perform some other important task in a GREETING, you leave yourself open for breaking the quest if another mod comes along with a generic GREETING with a quest priority higher than yours. BU has a lot of that vulnerability.

 

Yea, you are completely correct. Unfortunately this is what was done by the original mod author and I am too coding\script\greeting ignorant to do much of anything with this.  The few things I could fix, I did, but more than this is beyond my current skill set, not to mention my utter lack of time to mess with learning it right now.  I have managed to tackle more projects than I can possibly complete at present, so this is something I just can't learn how to fix right now.  If someone wanted to take a crack at it I would LOVE it and would include a HUGE credit in the OP for them.

[astymma]

I'll see what I can do about redoing the vulnerable parts. I'm playing BU for the first time because I got a little bored with FNV and wanted a change so I started up Oblivion again til I get my FO interest back.

[astymma]

It occurs to me that the problem has only ever occured due to that one LST greeting. I looked closer at it and it's only shown if you've chosen in the LST options to use the following option:

 

[Greeting reinforcement (priority 100)]

 

So... for now, don't use that option in LST, it will mess up BU quest progression.

 

EDIT: After playing the mod quite a bit since turning off this option setting, I've yet to have any problems with quest progression.

[Alleghast]

Sorry I have another question:

 

Can "creatures" ie. enemies that are encountered in the wild or dungeons able to be trained as slaves? or is it only recognisable named NPC's. I ask because I have a harem of enslaved followers from Monstergirl-CoC but they never follow me "indoors" to cities or training locations.  I can train them outside, no problems but I can't take them into say, the Bravil Underground.  I apologise if I missed an instruction somewhere

[gregathit]

No.  There is no support for coc-monstergirl creatures (they aren't really creatures but rather NPC's wearing "bodysuits" which is why the human animations work with them).  The problem that they have is in how they are rigged up by the coc-monstergirl plugin.  You'll need to ask in that thread why they won't follow you inside.

 

Remember also that many of those "creatures" are probably respawnable and thus you should NOT be taking them as slaves, as you can bloat your saved game and eventually break it.

[Alleghast]

Thanks Grega, that's what I suspected ^__^ 

[Guest Spikes]

Could you elaborate a bit more on what NPC kinds are safe to enslave. Ain't almost every other NPC besides Oblivion and Quest mods respownable?  I use Hentaimania, 2chan, Monstergirl (scratch that), LoversStupid NPC and always worry about possible save bloats

[gregathit]

Could you elaborate a bit more on what NPC kinds are safe to enslave. Ain't almost every other NPC besides Oblivion and Quest mods respownable?  I use Hentaimania, 2chan, Monstergirl (scratch that), LoversStupid NPC and always worry about possible save bloats

 

Most of the named NPC's in the game are fine. 

Anything with a generic name (bandit, marauder, necromancer and so on) are all respawnable.

See the wiki list for info:  http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Respawning_NPCs

 

The mods you list are pretty much a no go as all of them are respawnable.  The monstergirl stuff is especially bad news, as those are NPC's with "creature" suits in many cases.