kapibar Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 Guys, I have a problem, and it seems to be one of the hardest to actually fix. The dark face glitch is bugging me. The only thing that helps is the manual change of NPCs weight, but this fix sticks only until location change. Then we're back with the brown head. I tried ctrl + F4 in CK, it doesn't work. The mod order doesn't show any obvious conflicts and at this point I did pretty much everything that I could think of, so I'm counting on your help. My mods are listed below, by priority. Quote +zenet GagQuest +ZaZ Animation Pack+ CBBE HDT V.8.0+ +XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended +Weightless Gold +PerMa Tweaks -UseAllTheHairStyles +UIExtensions v1-2 +TreasureHunterWhore1 +Succubus Race 1.7.6 - Oldrim-22903-1-7-6 +Submit + Devious Devices + Follower Friendly +Standard - With collision +Spank That Ass +SOS +SLStoriesDevious085 +SLDialogues20190407 +SlaveTrainer +SlaveTatsEventsBridge01b +SlaveTats_ +SlaveTats +Slaverun Reloaded 3.0 Beta1 03 June 2018 Fix +Slaverun Reloaded +Slaverun +SlaeTats_ +SL +SkyUI +Skyrim Configuration Menu +Skyrim - Utility Mod 110 +Simple Slavery Plus +SexLabMindControl08 +SexLabFramework v162 FULL +SexLabAroused V28b +SexLab Submit +SexLab Fame +SexistGuards +SerialStripper +SerialStrip +SDResources20190502 +SDPlus20190502 +SD Customization Addons v7 +SacrificialSpriggan +Sacrificial +Replacer Version +Enhanced Blood Textures *Unmanaged: Unofficial Hearthfire Patch *Unmanaged: Unofficial Dawnguard Patch *Unmanaged: Unofficial Dragonborn Patch +Alternate Start - Live Another Life +Real Flying +puppetmasterv17 +PSQ Transformpack +Pretty Jump Animations +Pretty Combat Animations +Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary Edition MCM version +PetCollar v5 +PCEA 3-5-2 NMM Installer +PapyrusUtil - Scripting Utility Functions +OneTweak +NPCs Protected Redux +NiOverride High Heels Fixes +NetImmerse Override v-3-4 +Loremonger - With collision +Load Game CTD Fix +Laura +Killable and Lootable Children - Hearthfires version +JContainers +ImmerSlave +Immersive First Person View - SexLab Special +hydra slavegirls826 textures +hydra slavegirls826 main +hdtHighHeel beta0 +HDT Physics Extensions +HDT BBP Fix +Grooovus Slavetats +GagSFX +Fuz Ro Doh +FtM 3 +FNIS Behavior +FNIS +Flying Mod +FirstPersonPlugin +estXDFFDomFollowers101 +estXDFF NewRules 095 +display model +DeviousRegulations +Deviously1 +Deviously Cursed Loot +Deviously +Devious Training2.6 +Devious Lore 1.04 +Devious Looting +Devious Devices - Gags+ +Devious Devices Integration +Devious Devices Expansion +Devious Devices Assets +Devious Devices - Equip 410 +Devious Captures +Devious Aradia 2-0-1 +Devious +Death Alternative - Your Money Or Your Life +Deadly Mutilation V1 3 3 CORE +Deadly Mutilation V1 3 3 CBBE meshes Pack +DD Helpers 1 04 7 +Dark Face and Head-Body Colour Mismatch Bug Fixer +Cum Potion Textures - Beta 1.1 +Crash Fixes v12 - Beta +ColorfulLightsNoShadows-v1b +Circlet Helms Unified - All DLC +CD +BWitch +Bug Fixes +BrandingDeviceOfDoom 0 47 +BondageFurnitureWorld1 +BistroSlaveTats 1 1 +BarefootRealism +ApachiiSkyHairFemale +ApachiiSkyHair v 1 6 Full +Animated Fairy Wings +AndroolSub +Amputator Beta v0.7 +AliciaPainslutSLoptional20190408 +AliciaPainslutSLcore20190408 +Caliente's Vanilla Outfits for CBBE +2 06 DeviousFramework 170328 +Requiem - The Roleplaying Overhaul +Actually Attractive Elves for Racemenu +RaceMenu v3-4 +KS Hairdos - HDT Physics +Freckle Mania Standard Quality +Ethereal Elven Overhaul +Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer - USLEP FaceGen +Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer - BSA Version +The Eyes Of Beauty +Sporty Sexy Sweat CBBE - with CBBE face +Rea Woman Texture +Fair +ApachiiSkyHair +ApachiiHairStylesOnNPCs +BodySlide and Outfit Studio +Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE- +The Housecarls version one point two +Botox for Skyrim *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01 *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02 *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03 *Unmanaged: Unofficial Skyrim Patch +RaceCompatibility with fixes +PSQ3 +Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch *Unmanaged: Dragonborn *Unmanaged: HearthFires *Unmanaged: Dawnguard *Unmanaged: Unofficial High Resolution Patch
Grey Cloud Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 You say priority, I say alphabetical. I'd guess Botox as the culprit. I'd bring this in for questioning - Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer - USLEP FaceGen. Dark Face and Head-Body Colour Mismatch Bug Fixer - guessing that this is something you installed once the problem arose? If it's not working then get rid.
kapibar Posted May 23, 2019 Author Posted May 23, 2019 Actually both Botox and BCM Bug Fixer were my latest additions in order to fix this damn bug. Of course it didn't help. Same goes for SVHR USLEP FaceGen. I heard it might help. Well, it didn't make things worse, so that's something :D. Oh, and it's not alphabetical order. Two hours ago my MO crashed, an this is how it looks at this moment. But quite frankly it didn't change a thing. Organized or not - the bug prevails.
Guest Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 could be as simple as the load order of a couple mods ( which I have no doubt that is the issue) Is the gray face on the PC? all Npcs, or only a few? Then you need to find what mods changed that npc(s) or pc, put that below all other mods that change the npc, THEN CTRL+f4 in the ck, What esp file you use control+f4 in was either the wrong one or there is another esp below it in the load order that makes changes Appachii Hair styles on NPCs could be a culprit, since if that changes the npcs, it would have to be near the bottom of your load order and you would have to CTRL+F4 all the npcs in that esp, also what is "use all the hairstyles"? is that another mod that puts hair on npcs?
yatol Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 there's over 9000 topics about that click on npc, screen id load tesedit, go to id open id.nif compare what you have in that nif, and what you have in last esp that edit that npc instead of installing useless mods that can't do anything about that conflict between load order and file order (mod x headparts and mod y head nif)
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 6 hours ago, -Caden- said: could be as simple as the load order of a couple mods ( which I have no doubt that is the issue) Is the gray face on the PC? all Npcs, or only a few? At this point I'm almost positive this is not a problem with the load order, as I tried many configurations and nothing works. Right now my mods are completely disorganized, but the glitch works perfectly. Most of NPCs are bugged, I'm not sure if all of them, but it's safe to say it's most. Both male and female, mod and vanilla. Use all hairstyles is a mod that allows to use every hairstyle in game. I usually don't use it, it's on the list just because I accidentaly activated it. And for the CK - like I said in the first post - it doesn't work. Only changing the weight temporarily restores the proper tint. 4 hours ago, yatol said: there's over 9000 topics about that click on npc, screen id load tesedit, go to id open id.nif compare what you have in that nif, and what you have in last esp that edit that npc instead of installing useless mods that can't do anything about that conflict between load order and file order (mod x headparts and mod y head nif) You might as well be speaking in a different language :). I have only basic understanding of what tesedit does, and from what I've seen there's nothing there to suggest that the error should occur.
Whizkid Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 get in-game click on npc and look at which mod or esp last change, you should also check npc nifs and related files facegendata/facetint looks like its been overwritten, or just go the tedious route just remove those mods that has facegendata/facetint easy if using mod org. btw your loadorder is a nightmare as u have so many mods that changes npc its not funny lmao, but good luck in hunting down the problem...
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, Whizkid said: get in-game click on npc and look at which mod or esp last change, you should also check npc nifs and related files facegendata/facetint looks like its been overwritten, or just go the tedious route just remove those mods that has facegendata/facetint easy if using mod org. btw your loadorder is a nightmare as u have so many mods that changes npc its not funny lmao, but good luck in hunting down the problem... Yeah, I'm partially aware that my load order is a nightmare. And I have no idea how to organize in a way that works. At this point I'm leaning towards uninstalling everything and reinstalling mods one by one, as it seems there's no easy way out.
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Another round with the bug. Got rid of every folder from ...\Textures\actors\character\FaceGenData\FaceTint except for skyrim.esm (which I cannot delete). To no avail. Added bFaceGenTexturing=0 to skyrim.ini. Of course that too didn't help. I also checked - as was suggested here - what was the last mod that made base change on NPC. It was Unofficial Skyrim Patch. So I disengaged it. And then every other mod. And - you guessed it - the tint difference was still there. Now I'm really out of ideas.
yatol Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, kapibar said: I also checked - as was suggested here - what was the last mod that made base change on NPC. It was Unofficial Skyrim Patch. So I disengaged it. And then every other mod. unof patch can't win the load order with a mod that overhaul npc, it have flag esm... not having that npc overhaul esp in the load order, whatever it is, with that mod nifs, bet the problem is that no need for an esp to overhaul npc too hair and hairline it's my stuff, ignore that, see it as malehairx like in vanilla nif if you copy paste that nif in facegeom folder, game will load it without problem even that 3500 vertice head is not original 800 vertice head even if malehairx is now kshairy (renamed to malehairx.nif, so it was put in the nif as malehairx) oh, there's a problem with dédé, a npc from mod x problem is dede have 800 vertice head in his nif, and you now use tri for 3500 vertice head option 1, you give headpart maleheadoriginal to those npc, for the game to load vanilla tri on that option 2, you generate a new head nif using the 3500 vertice head option 3, you wait for someone to release the patch between that mod and that head and that's all, installing x or y will do nothing about that, putting that in the ini will do nothing about that, you are wasting your time for nothing trying that crap, or creating more problems to fix later (if you don't give up and reinstall after making such a mess your file order is a lost cause)
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Dude, whatever you're showing me it is way over my head. Just treat me like I'm an idiot and tell me what I need to do to fix this f*cking game :).
yatol Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 that's above.... you load tesedit, and type the npc id game load the esp the most on the right, it's that you compare to id.nif, you have ctrl f in your mod folder you have aelaracehead in tesedit, you have femaleheadnord in tesedit, conflict you have to put esp with aelaracehead after the other mod in load order then put whatever mod with femaleheadnord edit, in mod with aelaracehead, if you want to keep that in game (aela immersive armor, ai overhaul behavior, overhaul x spells, npc replacers remove a lot of stuff most don't know they are missing)
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Sorry, man, I still have no idea what to do. I loaded tesedit, typed NPC ID and all I see is excel-like spreadsheet all green and yellow. I'm really not nearly as advanced in this stuff as you are. I'm at pre-school modding level at best. By the way - wouldn't it be more efficient at this point to reinstall the game and mods?
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Well, f*ck my ass and call me Sally! I just created a fresh game. It turns out that there's not one but two culprits here! Shiva's Vanilla Hair Replacer AND Apachii. I desengaged both of those and there's no tint problem! Shit. But that means that my save is corrupted and utterly f*cked :/.
Grey Cloud Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, kapibar said: Sorry, man, I still have no idea what to do. I loaded tesedit, typed NPC ID and all I see is excel-like spreadsheet all green and yellow. I'm really not nearly as advanced in this stuff as you are. I'm at pre-school modding level at best. By the way - wouldn't it be more efficient at this point to reinstall the game and mods? Nobody ever understands Yatol so don't worry about it. 2 hours ago, kapibar said: Got rid of every folder from ...\Textures\actors\character\FaceGenData\FaceTint except for skyrim.esm (which I cannot delete). To no avail. 2 hours ago, kapibar said: Added bFaceGenTexturing=0 to skyrim.ini. Of course that too didn't help. Where are you getting these ideas from. Deleting things will-nilly and adding things to ini files is madness. If you have a problem, any problem, the way forward is to approach it methodically. 1. Uninstall all the things you installed in attempts to solve the problem and get your mods back to what you normally have. 2. Make sure MO is happy with your mods. The list in the L-H pane should be in a similar order to that in the R-H pane as I understand things. 3. Run LOOT. Then either: 4a. Start a new game and if the problem is still there then remove half your mods and start another game. Or, 4b. Start a new game with only half your mods. Contrary to what whizkid says you have not got a stupid amount of mods which affect NPCs appearance. In fact, unless it's me, I can't see any apart from Botox.
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Nobody ever understands Yatol so don't worry about it. And here I started to feel like a retarded tw*t xD. Quote Where are you getting these ideas from. Deleting things will-nilly and adding things to ini files is madness. Actually someone on LL posted this as a potential solution. Either way things seemed f*cked, so I could as well give it a go. But hey, don't question madness, it gets sh*t done (sometimes). I started a new game, while disengaging two main suspects - Shiva's hair replacer and Apachii. And both of those caused the issue. So it would seem I have to start my gameplay again, this time I'll get this mods properly fixed before sh*t gets out of hand again.
Grey Cloud Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, kapibar said: And here I started to feel like a retarded tw*t xD. To Yatol we all are.
Grey Cloud Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, kapibar said: Shiva's hair replacer and Apachii Obvious thing is to use one or t'other. Keep in mind that a lot of mods have Apachii as a requirement.
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Yeah, I'm aware. There's one more thing. I wanted to check if the black face won't surprise me once again and out of the blue, so I teleported NPC and changed her weight by console. And then the dark tint reappeard, despite both Apachii and Sihva's being disengaged. Is this normal behavior, or does this mean I'll have this problem again in the future gamplay?
yatol Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, kapibar said: Shit. But that means that my save is corrupted and utterly f*cked :/. that mean reinstalling the game, messing with the load order, and loading a save from previous load order, most fail, so they shouldn't try their luck skyrim npc mods suck creating headpart aelaracesomething, or making sghair master of your useless esp... for the game to be able to generate that head if there is a conflict you are creating conflicts with anything that edit those npc, and wasting more time than necessary if you just open edited nif, to rename sghairx to femalenordhair05, and femaleeyeblue to femaleeyebrown, you are done in less than 2 minutes, there can't be conflicts from npc replacer (too late to do that) and you can mashup npc replacer x with y with z easily (you want y nif for one npc, you delete it from x and z, nothing to patch)
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 Jeez, man, it might be simple and last 2 minutes for you, but for me at this moment it might as well be like sending an Apollo mission. I have no idea how to edit nif.s. Or doing anything else that you're describing for that matter ;). I need a simple solution. It might be time consuming, I don't mind. But simple. Like installing a program simple, not writing your own solution :).
Psalam Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 Quote 1 minute ago, kapibar said: Jeez, man, it might be simple and last 2 minutes for you, but for me at this moment it might as well be like sending an Apollo mission. I have no idea how to edit nif.s. Or doing anything else that you're describing for that matter ;). Go in game. Find someone with the dark face bug. Open the console and click on that NPC. See what the mod is that is listed as lastBaseChange. This is likely your issue. If you are unfamiliar with this look at my latest post in my blog (the link is in my signature).
yatol Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: To Yatol we all are. you think i went to some skyrim modding class? if he took 5 min to install tesedit, to load it, to type the npc id, to get to id and gave up looking at npc health, npc mana, npc stamina, npc armor, npc whatever... you just have to scroll down, and after perks, behavior, faction and whatever, no need to understand what is what, you will have femaleheadnord, femaleeyeblue, and whatever there is in the nif and if you right click to only show conflicts, there's less to scroll down npc have the same perks, it's no longer visible, now you just have armor because immersive armor, headpart because npc replacer, and whatever else is edited by a mod but if you don't even try... you will never be able to mess with that, even if that's nothing complicated (npc have 140 health, you put 240, npc get.... 100 more health, very complicated stuff indeed) 1
kapibar Posted May 24, 2019 Author Posted May 24, 2019 @yatol but you do know that this doesn't concern only one NPC, but at this moment is quite a massive issue? And by the way I did run tesedit and in case of npc with the most extreme case of dark face (Lydia btw.) there was no conflict occuring. @Psalam I already did that, look few posts back. It seems that the culprit is none other than Apachii and Shiva's hair.
Psalam Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 Quote 8 minutes ago, kapibar said: @yatol but you do know that this doesn't concern only one NPC, but at this moment is quite a massive issue? And by the way I did run tesedit and in case of npc with the most extreme case of dark face (Lydia btw.) there was no conflict occuring. @Psalam I already did that, look few posts back. It seems that the culprit is none other than Apachii and Shiva's hair. Do you have Apachii for NPCs?
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