UK porn passes on the way, ie porn tax

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13 minutes ago, denk21 said:

and let the actual parents do their job. 

And what of the parents who don't do their job? What is suposed to happen to the children then?

 

What about the the people who are forced to work in the sex industry? A sex industry which wouldn't exist if the world was not full of morons.

[unexplodedblonde]

as a veteran sex worker (of my own free will, please note above poster) this law is as scary as heck. most of us in the trade think it's the thin end of the wedge and the population is being softened up for compulsory id card carry. if *that* happens, innocent people are going to get thrown in the nick for the crime of leaving the house without their id cards, while criminals will be forging them for sale on the street corner. this is a nation with more surveillance devices per head than anywhere else in the world, sticking an rfid chip in everybody has probably already been discussed by our government, and this is not a theme that the opposition parties are protesting wildly about.

 

privacy and freedom aside, it enables instant tracking of those using sites for sex work, and providers like me are going to be driven off the net eventually. it would be back to sticking labels in telephone boxes, but for the fact they are disappearing from just about everywhere in the uk. 

 

do you know the worst of it? this law isn't going to do anything it has set out to do.  kids i know, are already learning up on vpn's, and how to set them up. we are going to breed a new generation of youngsters who will grown up savvy in computer surveillance and how to crack it, and how to cover your tracks online. they are going to get into danger because if they are being covet about their net use, they will not be able to go to anybody for help. online passcards will become currency in the playground, law abiding parents will find their cards go missing, and only the conscientious websites will be using gatekeeper code to keep uk viewers out. there is some extremely hardcore content (even by my ...erm... standards) out there and it is those sites that unmonitored kids will end up on.

 

finally, before you all get tl;dred (too late...), this is going to hit the sex advice/support sites, whatever the government is grandstanding about, and with no available discreet advice kids can turn to, they will end up learning about sex the old fashioned way, offline, in real life and unprotected.

 

whoever was thinking of the children when this law was drafted, was not even thinking.

 

this is my first post on here, kinda hoping it's not my last.

[SleepyJim]

The last I heard about this (it got a five-second mention on the news a few days ago, I think) it had been delayed. I can't remember if they said when it was delayed to, but it wasn't happening whenever it had been originally planned.

 

Right now, our parliament is busy being the laughing stock of world politics, so they should really be concentrating on other things for a while.

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Just had a quick look and it seems to be coming in on 15th July.

 

Can't see what good it is going to do as it will not stop anyone downloading porn from file-sharing sites.

 

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, if and when we ever leave the EU. Once we are out of the EU my guess would be that it will be left to wither and die as we follow the US fascist way of doing things.

[D_ManXX2]

They should make haste with their brexit.. i am sure no European country is going to pay another greece country if their Economy colapse right before their exit is a fact. 

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1 hour ago, D_ManXX2 said:

They should make haste with their brexit.. i am sure no European country is going to pay another greece country if their Economy colapse right before their exit is a fact. 

Eh?

[steelpanther24]

10 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Just had a quick look and it seems to be coming in on 15th July.

 

Can't see what good it is going to do as it will not stop anyone downloading porn from file-sharing sites.

 

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, if and when we ever leave the EU. Once we are out of the EU my guess would be that it will be left to wither and die as we follow the US fascist way of doing things.

Maybe we are all reading this wrong and it is going to be just like the TV license in the UK.    The money will (or is supposed to go) to make better quality porn that highlights superior British Porn.  Won't it be fun to have porn stars talking down to the viewing audience, much like the BBC does now? 

 

Also, at the risk of derailing the topic, Fascism is the political movement, doctrine, system, or regime of Benito Mussolini in Italy, such as rule by an elite promoting the state as the ultimate end, opposition to democracy, protecting the class system and promoting class collaboration, rejection of egalitarianism, promoting the militarization of a nation by creating a class of warriors, demanding that citizens perform civic duties in the interest of the state, and utilizing state intervention in education to promote the development of warriors and future rulers of the state.  Plato was an idealist, focused on achieving justice and morality, while Mussolini and fascism were realist, focused on achieving political goals.  

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26 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

Fascism is the political movement,

It is just as much an economic system. The country is organised for the benefit of big business.

 

28 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

Plato was an idealist, focused on achieving justice and morality, while Mussolini and fascism were realist, focused on achieving political goals.  

Are justice and morality not political goals?

 

Plato's philosophy is about the real, i.e. the intelligible realm as opposed to the sensible realm. Read what Plato says, don't listen to what the modern idiots tell you.

Mussolini sought a political ideal.

 

35 minutes ago, steelpanther24 said:

Maybe we are all reading this wrong and it is going to be just like the TV license in the UK.    The money will (or is supposed to go) to make better quality porn that highlights superior British Porn. 

Maybe you are a complete fantasist.

[steelpanther24]

12 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said:

It is just as much an economic system. The country is organised for the benefit of big business.

 

Are justice and morality not political goals?

 

They can be, certainly.    I was using the origins of the word fascism, though language (and definitions) are dynamic, so it may mean different things to different people (I am no fan of fascism as I much prefer maximizing individual liberty and minimizing stateist incursions through a robust deployment of the non aggression principal...now if I only had a hedgehog on top of a pile of money avatar, my profile would be complete)

 

WRT to the UK Porn passes..... like others, I think it is primarily a money grab on something that most people won't fight too much.   Porn has no ideology, nor political movement (outside of Italy with their porn star states person), so now that it is distributed via online, it avoids much of the taxes on videos and magazines.   I just wish someone would sabotage the bill and state that you must purchase porn to be subject to the tax......but even the UK parliament knows that most of us don't pay for porn anymore.   

 

Who does pay for porn anyway now a days?

[D_ManXX2]

12 hours ago, Grey Cloud said:

Eh?

We dont know what the future will hold, right now England is clashed with their brexit. If the Economy collapse before the Brexit is fact then all Eurpopean countries is forced to save Britain but if your Economy collapse after the brexit then Europe is no longer vialable to help in this case since you are no longer part of the European Union. If they have so much time to create porn pass they are wasting time they should prioritize what is more importsnt and stick with that.

 

That is the point i was trying to make. After May reteated and now Boris Johnson i say England had enough time to start their brexit, they have been taking Europe hostage for 3 years to commence this brexit it's time to finilize this deal. so Europe can continue without more problems.

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12 hours ago, steelpanther24 said:

I was using the origins of the word fascism, though language (and definitions)

You mean the wiki definition? Fascism is a.k.a. Corporatism.

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3 hours ago, D_ManXX2 said:

If the Economy collapse before the Brexit

Why would the UK economy collapse before leaving the EU?

Why would it collapse after leaving?

 

4 hours ago, D_ManXX2 said:

After May reteated and now Boris Johnson

Mother Theresa is still th PM. Her successor has not yet been decided.

 

4 hours ago, D_ManXX2 said:

If they have so much time to create porn pass

This is not the only thing parliament is doing. Governmants do not just do one thing at a time.

[Distortedrealms]

[Jindale]

The irony with Britain is that it still thinks it's Great.

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3 minutes ago, Jindale said:

The irony with Britain is that it still thinks it's Great.

The answer is actually a little confusing and there are rather a lot of explanations. It does not nowadays mean “Great” as in, for example, “Alexander the Great”. First, modern United Kingdom is made mainly of two countries (England and Scotland), one principality (Wales) and one province (Northern Ireland) although 100 years ago there were 3 countries (Ireland was the third)

1. “Great” Britain is a geographic term. The term Great means the major island in an archipelego. The island which contains the largest land area of the countries England and Scotland, and the Principality of Wales (Wales is NOT a country - sorry Taffy). For example, by this definition, the Outer Hebredes, Shetland, Isle of Wight are not part of “Great Britain”. Edit “Claudius Ptolemy in 148AD (used “Great”) to distinguish from Little Britain, or Ireland.” - credit Dave Cridland (I didn’t know that)
2. Historically, the word “Britain” or a variation of the word in Ancient Greek and Latin refered to the whole archipeligo off the NW of Europe. An early written reference (4th century BCE) to the British Isles by the Greek explorer Pytheas of Massalia is “Prettanikē” But when the Romans came to the southern part, they called it Britannea. But they only really meant that area which is mainly modern England. They called the Irish island, Hibernia, the West (modern Wales) area Cambria and the northern part Caledonia.
3. There is a case that “Britain” used to (and maybe still does) refer only to the southern part of the main island of Great Britain (geographic term) and probably includes the principality of Wales. Then when the crowns were united (England and Scotland) then united as nations 100 years later, the term “Great Britain” was coined to differentiat from just plain “Britain”. So in this meaning, the “Great” refers to a more encompassing part - like “Greater London”. And, interstingly, this means that Shetland, Hebredes, Isle of Wight etc are part of Great Britain. The Ordinance Survey say that their brief is to map “Great Britain” and they include the islands. But they also include the province of Northern Ireland, which in a political sense is not part of Great Britain (the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland” is the proper name of the nation) so maybe they are not really so sure about it.
4. There is a 7th century definition, which brings in the much misunderstood “French Connection”. After the Romans left, and before the tribes from Northern Europe settled, the Britons of South West England settled in the Armorican peninsula in France. To differentiate between the Britons’ new settlement and their home land, the term Lesser Britain and Greater Britain were coined. But in this context “Great Britain” refered only to the southern part of modern England. Of course the French continued to adopt the name, with a French twist, to become Bretagne. (It has nothing to do with the French invasion of Southern England in 1066) And there is no way, no which ever way, that the French christened the nation “Grande Bretagne” or “Great Britain”. It was the Britons who coined the term when they settled in France.
5. Then there is the colloquial term “Great Britain” where “Great” really does mean Great as in “this party is great”. In the 17th to 19th century the United Kingdom (whatever that meant at the time!) really was great (as in the party meaning). The tobacco tycoons, rubber plantation owners, cotton traders, slavers, industrial inventors, industrial revolutionories etc really were Great people (as in Alexander the Great). So to them, their nation was indeed “Great Britain”

 

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Britain-called-Great-Britain-when-it-is-small-When-did-Britain-become-Great-Britain

 

 

You never answered my questions:

Why is the UK a 'dytopic hellhole', pray tell? And in which enlightened utopia do you reside, may one ask?

[Onionstarz]

Its never going to happen its been delayed for another 6 months,We will always be great because its got fuck all to do with being brilliant 

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10 minutes ago, HappyerbS said:

We will always be great because its got fuck all to do with being brilliant

Which is fucking lucky given our imitation American education system. ?

[Pork Type]

On 6/23/2019 at 6:40 PM, Grey Cloud said:

Why is the UK a 'dystopic hellhole', pray tell? And in which enlightened utopia do you reside, may one ask?

And what if the impetus for restricting accessibility to porn is coming from the parents?

[correction by me]

 

The UK is a dystopic hellhole, because the police would apparently rather go after wrongthinkers than wrongdoers. *cough* Rotherham *cough*

 

Because my sister visited a couple of years ago (My family is half British, BTW), and while asking shopkeepers if they had a road atlas available, she was met with stupefied blank stares and "why don't you just use your phone" when her phone service was unavailable due to some international quirk. But she literally could not obtain a paper road atlas from any petrol station or motorist centre.

 

Brits rely on tech to get them through their day, to the point that they're led by the nose with it, apparently. That's not *me* saying this. This is my sis saying it, after her last visit. She was absolutely shocked, and she's one of the most lefty people I know.

 

As for porn. Any gov't that restricts access to adult entertainment is attempting to regulate the free expression/exchange of human sexuality, itself, for the supposed "benefit" of some statist goal or the other, and ought to be considered evil.

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32 minutes ago, Pork Type said:

[correction by me]

 

The UK is a dystopic hellhole, because the police would apparently rather go after wrongthinkers than wrongdoers. *cough* Rotherham *cough*

 

Because my sister visited a couple of years ago (My family is half British, BTW), and while asking shopkeepers if they had a road atlas available, she was met with stupefied blank stares and "why don't you just use your phone" when her phone service was unavailable due to some international quirk. But she literally could not obtain a paper road atlas from any petrol station or motorist centre.

 

Brits rely on tech to get them through their day, to the point that they're led by the nose with it, apparently. That's not *me* saying this. This is my sis saying it, after her last visit. She was absolutely shocked, and she's one of the most lefty people I know.

 

As for porn. Any gov't that restricts access to adult entertainment is attempting to regulate the free expression/exchange of human sexuality, itself, for the supposed "benefit" of some statist goal or the other, and ought to be considered evil.

Ye gods. Where to begin?

I've no idea what happened in Rotherham.

Your sister mustn't be very smart if she couldn't buy an A-Z. Supermarkets sell them for starters. I've no idea what a 'motorist centre' is.

36 minutes ago, Pork Type said:

Brits rely on tech to get them through their day, to the point that they're led by the nose with it, apparently. That's not *me* saying this. This is my sis saying it, after her last visit.

What exactly does this mean? Which British people? Which technology? How does it lead them by the nose?

 

38 minutes ago, Pork Type said:

As for porn. Any gov't that restricts access to adult entertainment is attempting to regulate the free expression/exchange of human sexuality, itself, for the supposed "benefit" of some statist goal or the other, and ought to be considered evil.

Wow yeh. And they should let our children have access to firearms so they can shoot their classmates when they get a bit miffed. If you think the porn industry is about 'the free expression/exchange of human sexuality' then you are extremely naiive. It has nothing to do with 'some statist goal'.

[Slorm]

On 6/25/2019 at 8:55 AM, D_ManXX2 said:

We dont know what the future will hold, right now England is clashed with their brexit. If the Economy collapse before the Brexit is fact then all Eurpopean countries is forced to save Britain but if your Economy collapse after the brexit then Europe is no longer vialable to help in this case since you are no longer part of the European Union. If they have so much time to create porn pass they are wasting time they should prioritize what is more importsnt and stick with that.

 

The UK is not part of the Euro currency zone so I doubt if the other EU members would bail us out as they have no obligation to.

 

Though it's not unfair to say that the whole thing is a total shambles, frankly I've been surprised that the EU has just booted us out instead of allowing the extensions. I think on balance as a country that is what we deserve.

 

Back on topic, the scheme has been delayed again due to a bureaucratic cock up by our government, apparently they failed to sort out some regulation that was needed. I haven't paid much attention as the whole thing is futile as it doesn't include social media and anyone with a VPN can easily get round it. We have thankfully particularly stupid politicians here that have no concept of technology so anything they do is usually easily circumvented.

[SleepyJim]

7 hours ago, Pork Type said:

But she literally could not obtain a paper road atlas from any petrol station or motorist centre.

 

Brits rely on tech to get them through their day, to the point that they're led by the nose with it, apparently.

 

No offence intended, but anyone not able to find an A-Z in the UK is either exceptionally unlucky or not looking very hard. They're very common.

 

As for technology... Some of us rely on it a lot, and some of us hardly at all. Just like people of many other nationalities.

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A joke about my city for @Slorm and @SleepyJim

 

A guy is visiting Manchester on business. He goes into a newsagents and asks for an A-Z.

The newsagent tells him there are two versions, the deluxe and the regular.

"What's the difference?" asks the guy.

"The deluxe doesn't have Salford in it".

 

[I'm not a Manc]

[Brother Grymm]

On 4/18/2019 at 8:42 PM, KM100z said:

I think they're trying in some countries now to block vpns or make them illegal.

They are trying to shut down V.P.N.s and restrict internet content. So if you see anything asking to support THE OPEN INTERNET, support it and tell everyone you know to support it  or the internet will be run  only by big Corporations with their own agendas.

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4 hours ago, Brother Grymm said:

or the internet will be run  only by big Corporations with their own agendas. 

Who do you think owns and maintains the high level DNS servers and other essential parts of the infrastructure?

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1 hour ago, bumzel said:

Britain is predominantly right wing

You're having a Turkish, surely. Another fuckwit with a masterly grasp of nothing. American perchance?

 

1 hour ago, bumzel said:

pOrN bAd is literally caveman or religious fairy tale type of thinking YIKES..

This conclusion would be the result of much reading and thought would it?