Myst42 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 Alright, let's quote this one last time, because even though I dont wanna talk with this person anymore because he's rude, I'm still interested in knowing if there is any factible real danger on merely changing load order mid-game. On 4/24/2019 at 9:36 PM, yatol said: here's one problem, you have mod x that fix some navmesh for npcs to stop crashing into wall or whatever you have 3dnpc, that edit some navmesh for npcs to find the mod stuff you put mod x under 3dnpc for some reason, you will now ctd (3dnpc stuff is still there, npc have no idea how to get there with mod x navmesh, it's a ctd) This is a wrong load order issue: Fix: re-establish a correct load order to restore the correct navmesh tweaks OR... remove the delinquent mod that "deleted" navmesh reference Tip: It never worked in the first place with an incorrect load order. Not in a new game, not ever. On 4/24/2019 at 9:36 PM, yatol said: you have dragon mod and you have put requiem last because you are told to do it maybe you weren't able to see it, but you don't have dragon mod, requiem is overwriting it This is a wrong load order issue: Fix: re-establish a correct load order to restore the correct dragon overwrites OR... remove the overwriting mod Tip: It never worked in the first place with an incorrect load order. Not in a new game, not ever. On 4/24/2019 at 9:36 PM, yatol said: and if that mod is adding some new dragons to leveled list, you won't see them by putting the mod after requiem, it's too late (leveled lists are in the save, and moving around the stuff that isn't load... that don't do anything) "Leveled lists get baked into the save" But do they? So that means any mod that alters leveled lists would have to be loaded on game start, and cannot possibly work if a player started game, played, saved, and then installed a mod that alters those, because the leveled lists would be the vanilla ones that the gamed baked into the save upon game start. This is a falshood I've tested on my own mods, since I know for a fact, I can install a mod that edits a leveled list, and the game will use the new version. I could make some more tests on leveled lists though, to truly see how "baked" they get to the save, if such a thing even happens. Gonna take some time to design this though.
GenioMaestro Posted April 29, 2019 Author Posted April 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, yatol said: you want a quote from the page 1 of your topic you didn't bother reading? so you start a new game to check what happen when you "Change the load order in the middle of the game", that's your topic title, you also forgot what your topic was about? oh, isn't that alternate start? the mod the ones that can't play the helgen start have to use^^ there's some topics in the technical section on what to do if you want to get safely to helgen My first post is big, too big, i know it, and have near 10 kb of text and near 200 lines. I not know what parragraf are reffering you and if have the amability of quote it we can talk about it. If i have a bad load order and the game automaticaly order it when i start a new game, by pure logic, if i change it again and put my pluging list, for example, in inverse alfabetical, the game go to make exactly the same when i continue the game. Because the order list generated by the game is CORRECT and the game order the mods in the SAME way, no matter if i put it in alfabetical ascendent or descendent. You can not see any diference in the GENERATED load order because the game order the nine mods exactly in the same way. For you, i make a more big test with my 237 mods and put in alfabetical order. Look my pluging list: Spoiler 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp 3DNPC.esp ABBA.esp AddItemMenu2.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp AI Package Manager.esp AKElvenTeenies.esp aleGetNaked.esp AllNudePlay.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp AMatterOfTime.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp animal_mansion.esp ApachiiHair.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm Apropos.esp ASA_TEST.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp Beastess Vampire.esp BeeingFemale.esm BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp beinz_plugin.esp BFSEffects.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp Campfire.esm Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp CreatureFramework.esm Customizable Camera.esp DanarielStormbow.esp Dawnguard.esm dc-untamed-000.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp Deadly Wenches.esp Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Deviously Cursed Loot.esp Dragonborn.esm DW.esp Dwarfsphere.esp EagleEyePerk.esm Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ErynielElfV2.esp ESFCompanions.esp EstrusChaurus.esp EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp Falskaar.esm FalskaarRNDPatch.esp fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp FISS.esp FNIS.esp FNISSexyMove.esp Forgotten Wenches.esp Frostfall.esp FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp Giada.esp Hair Physics Project.esp Hateful Wenches.esp HDT Female Hairstyles.esp HDTTailsEquipable.esp HearthFires.esm HelmetToggle2.02b.esp HentaiCreatures.esp HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp Imaginator BETA.esp Immersive Arousal.esp Immersive Encounters.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp immersive wenches RND-patch.esp Immersive Wenches.esp InigoPerkPointGiver.esp Inn Girls Resources.esm ITortureFramework.esm Japanese.esp JaxonzZoom.esp Judgment Wenches.esp KomAnimObjects.esp KomAnimScaler.esp KS Hairdos - HDT.esp KS Hairdo's.esp Liz Follower.esp LunariWarriors.esp MiasLair.esp Milk Addict.esp Milker Movil Armor.esp MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp MilkModNEW CF.esp MilkModNEW HF.esp MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp MilkModNEW.esp mintylightningmod.esp MistySkye.esp MLU.esp Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp moonpath.esm moonpath_questdata.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp multi_cloak.esp NibblesAnimObjects.esp NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp OBIS.esp OBISDB.esp OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp pahe-tdf-patch.esp paradise_halls.esm paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp RohZima_AnimObjects.esp RutahTattooPack.esp SAP.esp Sassy.esp SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Schlongs of Skyrim.esp ScriptTest.esp SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp SexLab Beastess.esp SexLab Cumshot.esp SexLab Eager NPCs.esp SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp SexLab.esm SexLab_DibellaCult.esp SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp SexLabAroused.esm SexLabCumRegenerator.esp SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp SexLabSquirtR.esp SexLabTools.esp Shout Like a Virgin.esp Size Does Matter.esp SKY_Aura.esp SKY_Iridis.esp SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp SKY_Solis.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp Skyrim.esm skyrimespawn.esp SkyrimUnhinged.esp SkyrimURWL.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp SkyUI.esp SL Deadly Drain.esp SLA Monitor Widget.esp SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp SLAnimLoader.esp Slaverun_Reloaded.esp SlaveTats.esp SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp SLPleasure.esp SLSW Addicted.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp SMSkyrim.esp SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp SOS - Revealing Armors.esp SOS - Shop.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp TestMorph.esp The Brotherhood of Old.esp The Manipulator.esp TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp TimeSlowToggle.esp UIExtensions.esp Undeath.esp Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp UnreadBooksGlow.esp Update.esm WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp WetandCold.esp WetFunction.esp XPMSE.esp ZaZAnimationPack.esm ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp zzEstrus.esp Look how the game automatically correct it and compute a new numeric map with the new codes from the new load order when i load my normal savegame: Spoiler Loading mod list: (0 -> 0) Skyrim.esm (1 -> 3) Update.esm (2 -> 7) Dawnguard.esm (3 -> 16) HearthFires.esm (4 -> 13) Dragonborn.esm (5 -> 27) Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp (6 -> 14) EagleEyePerk.esm (7 -> 1) ApachiiHair.esm (8 -> 2) ApachiiHairFemales.esm (9 -> 4) BeeingFemale.esm (10 -> ? SexLab.esm (11 -> 10) SexLabAroused.esm (12 -> 26) SMSkyrim.esp (13 -> 18) ZaZAnimationPack.esm (14 -> 20) MiasLair.esp (15 -> 5) Campfire.esm (16 -> 6) CreatureFramework.esm (17 -> 9) Devious Devices - Assets.esm (18 -> 17) Inn Girls Resources.esm (19 -> 11) Devious Devices - Integration.esm (20 -> 15) Falskaar.esm (21 -> 12) Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (22 -> 21) moonpath.esm (23 -> 19) ITortureFramework.esm (24 -> 22) paradise_halls.esm (25 -> 23) PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm (26 -> 24) Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm (27 -> 25) SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm (28 -> 86) HighResTexturePack01.esp (29 -> 87) HighResTexturePack02.esp (30 -> 88) HighResTexturePack03.esp (31 -> 214) Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp (32 -> 218) Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp (33 -> 182) SkyUI.esp (34 -> 137) RaceMenuPlugin.esp (35 -> 135) RaceMenu.esp (36 -> 95) InigoPerkPointGiver.esp (37 -> 150) ScriptTest.esp (38 -> 120) multi_cloak.esp (39 -> 74) FNIS.esp (40 -> 28) 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp (41 -> 32) AHZmoreHUD.esp (42 -> 73) FISS.esp (43 -> 38) AMatterOfTime.esp (44 -> 53) Customizable Camera.esp (45 -> 80) Hair Physics Project.esp (46 -> 84) HelmetToggle2.02b.esp (47 -> 97) JaxonzZoom.esp (48 -> 102) KS Hairdo's.esp (49 -> 101) KS Hairdos - HDT.esp (50 -> 125) OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp (51 -> 215) UnreadBooksGlow.esp (52 -> 66) EnhancedLightsandFX.esp (53 -> 134) PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp (54 -> 29) 3DNPC.esp (55 -> 216) WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp (56 -> 217) WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp (57 -> 132) paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp (58 -> 176) Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp (59 -> 49) Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp (60 -> 122) NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp (61 -> 30) ABBA.esp (62 -> 212) UIExtensions.esp (63 -> 31) AddItemMenu2.esp (64 -> 33) AI Package Manager.esp (65 -> 166) Shout Like a Virgin.esp (66 -> 213) Undeath.esp (67 -> 172) SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp (68 -> 123) OBIS.esp (69 -> 138) RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp (70 -> 175) Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp (71 -> 156) SexLab_DibellaCult.esp (72 -> 158) SexLab_Solutions.esp (73 -> 181) SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp (74 -> 52) Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp (75 -> 119) MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp (76 -> 207) The Brotherhood of Old.esp (77 -> 39) AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp (78 -> 40) animal_mansion.esp (79 -> 224) ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp (80 -> 179) SkyrimUnhinged.esp (81 -> 63) Dwarfsphere.esp (82 -> 112) MilkModNEW.esp (83 -> 105) Milk Addict.esp (84 -> 91) Immersive Encounters.esp (85 -> 194) SMIM-Merged-All.esp (86 -> 188) Slaverun_Reloaded.esp (87 -> 118) MoreNastyCritters.esp (88 -> 61) Deviously Cursed Loot.esp (89 -> 208) The Manipulator.esp (90 -> 55) dc-untamed-000.esp (91 -> 152) SexLab Beastess.esp (92 -> 163) SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp (93 -> 117) moonpath_questdata.esp (94 -> 127) PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp (95 -> 126) PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp (96 -> 174) SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp (97 -> 177) Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp (98 -> 92) Immersive Patrols II.esp (99 -> 114) MistySkye.esp (100 -> 77) Frostfall.esp (101 -> 160) SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp (102 -> 94) Immersive Wenches.esp (103 -> 81) Hateful Wenches.esp (104 -> 107) MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp (105 -> 149) Schlongs of Skyrim.esp (106 -> 201) SOS - Shop.esp (107 -> 48) Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp (108 -> 50) Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp (109 -> 195) SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp (110 -> 51) Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp (111 -> 68) ESFCompanions.esp (112 -> 70) EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp (113 -> 225) ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp (114 -> 34) AKElvenTeenies.esp (115 -> 35) aleGetNaked.esp (116 -> 36) AllNudePlay.esp (117 -> 41) Apropos.esp (118 -> 43) BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp (119 -> 142) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp (120 -> 147) Sassy.esp (121 -> 154) SexLab Eager NPCs.esp (122 -> 44) Beastess Vampire.esp (123 -> 89) Imaginator BETA.esp (124 -> 45) BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp (125 -> 46) beinz_plugin.esp (126 -> 47) BFSEffects.esp (127 -> 128) pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp (128 -> 104) LunariWarriors.esp (129 -> 54) DanarielStormbow.esp (130 -> 56) dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp (131 -> 57) dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp (132 -> 58) dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp (133 -> 59) dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp (134 -> 60) Deadly Wenches.esp (135 -> 62) DW.esp (136 -> 64) Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp (137 -> 67) ErynielElfV2.esp (138 -> 210) TheEyesOfBeauty.esp (139 -> 69) EstrusChaurus.esp (140 -> 71) FalskaarRNDPatch.esp (141 -> 72) fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp (142 -> 75) FNISSexyMove.esp (143 -> 76) Forgotten Wenches.esp (144 -> 79) Giada.esp (145 -> 82) HDT Female Hairstyles.esp (146 -> 83) HDTTailsEquipable.esp (147 -> 85) HentaiCreatures.esp (148 -> 90) Immersive Arousal.esp (149 -> 93) immersive wenches RND-patch.esp (150 -> 96) Japanese.esp (151 -> 98) Judgment Wenches.esp (152 -> 99) KomAnimObjects.esp (153 -> 100) KomAnimScaler.esp (154 -> 170) SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp (155 -> 103) Liz Follower.esp (156 -> 106) Milker Movil Armor.esp (157 -> 108) MilkModNEW CF.esp (158 -> 109) MilkModNEW HF.esp (159 -> 110) MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp (160 -> 111) MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp (161 -> 113) mintylightningmod.esp (162 -> 116) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (163 -> 121) NibblesAnimObjects.esp (164 -> 124) OBISDB.esp (165 -> 129) pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp (166 -> 155) SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp (167 -> 130) pahe-tdf-patch.esp (168 -> 131) paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp (169 -> 133) PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp (170 -> 136) RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp (171 -> 139) Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp (172 -> 140) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp (173 -> 141) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp (174 -> 143) RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp (175 -> 144) RohZima_AnimObjects.esp (176 -> 145) RutahTattooPack.esp (177 -> 146) SAP.esp (178 -> 148) SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp (179 -> 151) SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp (180 -> 153) SexLab Cumshot.esp (181 -> 157) SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp (182 -> 159) SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp (183 -> 161) SexLabCumRegenerator.esp (184 -> 162) SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp (185 -> 164) SexLabSquirtR.esp (186 -> 165) SexLabTools.esp (187 -> 167) Size Does Matter.esp (188 -> 168) SKY_Aura.esp (189 -> 169) SKY_Iridis.esp (190 -> 171) SKY_Solis.esp (191 -> 173) SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp (192 -> 178) skyrimespawn.esp (193 -> 184) SLA Monitor Widget.esp (194 -> 185) SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp (195 -> 186) SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp (196 -> 187) SLAnimLoader.esp (197 -> 189) SlaveTats.esp (198 -> 190) SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp (199 -> 191) SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp (200 -> 192) SLPleasure.esp (201 -> 193) SLSW Addicted.esp (202 -> 197) SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp (203 -> 198) SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp (204 -> 199) SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp (205 -> 200) SOS - Revealing Armors.esp (206 -> 202) SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp (207 -> 203) SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp (208 -> 204) SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp (209 -> 205) SOSRaceMenu.esp (210 -> 206) TestMorph.esp (211 -> 209) TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp (212 -> 211) TimeSlowToggle.esp (213 -> 219) Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp (214 -> 220) WetandCold.esp (215 -> 221) WetFunction.esp (216 -> 222) XPMSE.esp (217 -> 223) ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp (218 -> 226) zzEstrus.esp (219 -> 78) FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp (220 -> 183) SL Deadly Drain.esp (221 -> 42) ASA_TEST.esp (222 -> 115) MLU.esp (223 -> 37) Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp (224 -> 196) SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp (225 -> 180) SkyrimURWL.esp (226 -> 65) ELFXEnhancer.esp You see how Update.esm go to position 3??? Because really, the game AUTOMATICALLY put it in position 3. Look how save the pluging list inside the savegame and put Update.esm in to position 3. Spoiler Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) ApachiiHair.esm (2) ApachiiHairFemales.esm (3) Update.esm (4) BeeingFemale.esm (5) Campfire.esm (6) CreatureFramework.esm (7) Dawnguard.esm (8) SexLab.esm (9) Devious Devices - Assets.esm (10) SexLabAroused.esm (11) Devious Devices - Integration.esm (12) Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (13) Dragonborn.esm (14) EagleEyePerk.esm (15) Falskaar.esm (16) HearthFires.esm (17) Inn Girls Resources.esm (18) ZaZAnimationPack.esm (19) ITortureFramework.esm (20) MiasLair.esp (21) moonpath.esm (22) paradise_halls.esm (23) PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm (24) Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm (25) SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm (26) SMSkyrim.esp (27) Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp (28) 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp (29) 3DNPC.esp (30) ABBA.esp (31) AddItemMenu2.esp (32) AHZmoreHUD.esp (33) AI Package Manager.esp (34) AKElvenTeenies.esp (35) aleGetNaked.esp (36) AllNudePlay.esp (37) Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp (38) AMatterOfTime.esp (39) AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp (40) animal_mansion.esp (41) Apropos.esp (42) ASA_TEST.esp (43) BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp (44) Beastess Vampire.esp (45) BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp (46) beinz_plugin.esp (47) BFSEffects.esp (48) Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp (49) Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp (50) Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp (51) Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp (52) Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp (53) Customizable Camera.esp (54) DanarielStormbow.esp (55) dc-untamed-000.esp (56) dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp (57) dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp (58) dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp (59) dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp (60) Deadly Wenches.esp (61) Deviously Cursed Loot.esp (62) DW.esp (63) Dwarfsphere.esp (64) Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp (65) ELFXEnhancer.esp (66) EnhancedLightsandFX.esp (67) ErynielElfV2.esp (68) ESFCompanions.esp (69) EstrusChaurus.esp (70) EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp (71) FalskaarRNDPatch.esp (72) fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp (73) FISS.esp (74) FNIS.esp (75) FNISSexyMove.esp (76) Forgotten Wenches.esp (77) Frostfall.esp (78) FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp (79) Giada.esp (80) Hair Physics Project.esp (81) Hateful Wenches.esp (82) HDT Female Hairstyles.esp (83) HDTTailsEquipable.esp (84) HelmetToggle2.02b.esp (85) HentaiCreatures.esp (86) HighResTexturePack01.esp (87) HighResTexturePack02.esp (88) HighResTexturePack03.esp (89) Imaginator BETA.esp (90) Immersive Arousal.esp (91) Immersive Encounters.esp (92) Immersive Patrols II.esp (93) immersive wenches RND-patch.esp (94) Immersive Wenches.esp (95) InigoPerkPointGiver.esp (96) Japanese.esp (97) JaxonzZoom.esp (98) Judgment Wenches.esp (99) KomAnimObjects.esp (100) KomAnimScaler.esp (101) KS Hairdos - HDT.esp (102) KS Hairdo's.esp (103) Liz Follower.esp (104) LunariWarriors.esp (105) Milk Addict.esp (106) Milker Movil Armor.esp (107) MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp (108) MilkModNEW CF.esp (109) MilkModNEW HF.esp (110) MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp (111) MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp (112) MilkModNEW.esp (113) mintylightningmod.esp (114) MistySkye.esp (115) MLU.esp (116) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (117) moonpath_questdata.esp (118) MoreNastyCritters.esp (119) MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp (120) multi_cloak.esp (121) NibblesAnimObjects.esp (122) NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp (123) OBIS.esp (124) OBISDB.esp (125) OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp (126) PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp (127) PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp (128) pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp (129) pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp (130) pahe-tdf-patch.esp (131) paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp (132) paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp (133) PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp (134) PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp (135) RaceMenu.esp (136) RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp (137) RaceMenuPlugin.esp (138) RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp (139) Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp (140) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp (141) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp (142) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp (143) RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp (144) RohZima_AnimObjects.esp (145) RutahTattooPack.esp (146) SAP.esp (147) Sassy.esp (148) SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp (149) Schlongs of Skyrim.esp (150) ScriptTest.esp (151) SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp (152) SexLab Beastess.esp (153) SexLab Cumshot.esp (154) SexLab Eager NPCs.esp (155) SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp (156) SexLab_DibellaCult.esp (157) SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp (158) SexLab_Solutions.esp (159) SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp (160) SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp (161) SexLabCumRegenerator.esp (162) SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp (163) SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp (164) SexLabSquirtR.esp (165) SexLabTools.esp (166) Shout Like a Virgin.esp (167) Size Does Matter.esp (168) SKY_Aura.esp (169) SKY_Iridis.esp (170) SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp (171) SKY_Solis.esp (172) SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp (173) SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp (174) SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp (175) Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp (176) Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp (177) Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp (178) skyrimespawn.esp (179) SkyrimUnhinged.esp (180) SkyrimURWL.esp (181) SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp (182) SkyUI.esp (183) SL Deadly Drain.esp (184) SLA Monitor Widget.esp (185) SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp (186) SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp (187) SLAnimLoader.esp (188) Slaverun_Reloaded.esp (189) SlaveTats.esp (190) SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp (191) SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp (192) SLPleasure.esp (193) SLSW Addicted.esp (194) SMIM-Merged-All.esp (195) SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp (196) SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp (197) SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp (198) SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp (199) SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp (200) SOS - Revealing Armors.esp (201) SOS - Shop.esp (202) SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp (203) SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp (204) SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp (205) SOSRaceMenu.esp (206) TestMorph.esp (207) The Brotherhood of Old.esp (208) The Manipulator.esp (209) TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp (210) TheEyesOfBeauty.esp (211) TimeSlowToggle.esp (212) UIExtensions.esp (213) Undeath.esp (214) Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp (215) UnreadBooksGlow.esp (216) WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp (217) WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp (218) Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp (219) Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp (220) WetandCold.esp (221) WetFunction.esp (222) XPMSE.esp (223) ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp (224) ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp (225) ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp (226) zzEstrus.esp That is because apachi hair not need any of the updated records and for that the game know that must put Skyrim.esm in position 0, because apachi hair need records from Skyrim.esm, but put Update.esm in position 3 because BeeingFemale.esm need records from Update.esm I save my game and put my list in alfabetical descendent for see the diferences: Spoiler zzEstrus.esp ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp ZaZAnimationPack.esm XPMSE.esp WetFunction.esp WetandCold.esp Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp Update.esm UnreadBooksGlow.esp Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Undeath.esp UIExtensions.esp TimeSlowToggle.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp The Manipulator.esp The Brotherhood of Old.esp TestMorph.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - Shop.esp SOS - Revealing Armors.esp SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp SMSkyrim.esp SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp SLSW Addicted.esp SLPleasure.esp SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp SlaveTats.esp Slaverun_Reloaded.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp SLA Monitor Widget.esp SL Deadly Drain.esp SkyUI.esp SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp SkyrimURWL.esp SkyrimUnhinged.esp skyrimespawn.esp Skyrim.esm Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp SKY_Solis.esp SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp SKY_Iridis.esp SKY_Aura.esp Size Does Matter.esp Shout Like a Virgin.esp SexLabTools.esp SexLabSquirtR.esp SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp SexLabCumRegenerator.esp SexLabAroused.esm SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp SexLab_Solutions.esp SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp SexLab_DibellaCult.esp SexLab.esm SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp SexLab Eager NPCs.esp SexLab Cumshot.esp SexLab Beastess.esp SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm ScriptTest.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp Sassy.esp SAP.esp RutahTattooPack.esp RohZima_AnimObjects.esp RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp RaceMenu.esp PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp paradise_halls.esm pahe-tdf-patch.esp pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp OBISDB.esp OBIS.esp NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp NibblesAnimObjects.esp multi_cloak.esp MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp MoreNastyCritters.esp moonpath_questdata.esp moonpath.esm Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp MLU.esp MistySkye.esp mintylightningmod.esp MilkModNEW.esp MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp MilkModNEW HF.esp MilkModNEW CF.esp MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp Milker Movil Armor.esp Milk Addict.esp MiasLair.esp LunariWarriors.esp Liz Follower.esp KS Hairdo's.esp KS Hairdos - HDT.esp KomAnimScaler.esp KomAnimObjects.esp Judgment Wenches.esp JaxonzZoom.esp Japanese.esp ITortureFramework.esm Inn Girls Resources.esm InigoPerkPointGiver.esp Immersive Wenches.esp immersive wenches RND-patch.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp Immersive Encounters.esp Immersive Arousal.esp Imaginator BETA.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack01.esp HentaiCreatures.esp HelmetToggle2.02b.esp HearthFires.esm HDTTailsEquipable.esp HDT Female Hairstyles.esp Hateful Wenches.esp Hair Physics Project.esp Giada.esp FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp Frostfall.esp Forgotten Wenches.esp FNISSexyMove.esp FNIS.esp FISS.esp fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp FalskaarRNDPatch.esp Falskaar.esm EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp EstrusChaurus.esp ESFCompanions.esp ErynielElfV2.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp EagleEyePerk.esm Dwarfsphere.esp DW.esp Dragonborn.esm Deviously Cursed Loot.esp Devious Devices - Integration.esm Devious Devices - Expansion.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Deadly Wenches.esp dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dc-untamed-000.esp Dawnguard.esm DanarielStormbow.esp Customizable Camera.esp CreatureFramework.esm Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp Campfire.esm Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp BFSEffects.esp beinz_plugin.esp BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp BeeingFemale.esm Beastess Vampire.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp ASA_TEST.esp Apropos.esp ApachiiHairFemales.esm ApachiiHair.esm animal_mansion.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp AMatterOfTime.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp AllNudePlay.esp aleGetNaked.esp AKElvenTeenies.esp AI Package Manager.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp AddItemMenu2.esp ABBA.esp 3DNPC.esp 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp And when the game load my savegame, stored with the list ordered in alfabetical order make this: Spoiler Loading mod list: (0 -> 0) Skyrim.esm (1 -> 27) ApachiiHair.esm (2 -> 26) ApachiiHairFemales.esm (3 -> 1) Update.esm (4 -> 25) BeeingFemale.esm (5 -> 24) Campfire.esm (6 -> 23) CreatureFramework.esm (7 -> 5) Dawnguard.esm (8 -> ? SexLab.esm (9 -> 20) Devious Devices - Assets.esm (10 -> 9) SexLabAroused.esm (11 -> 21) Devious Devices - Integration.esm (12 -> 22) Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (13 -> 3) Dragonborn.esm (14 -> 19) EagleEyePerk.esm (15 -> 18) Falskaar.esm (16 -> 4) HearthFires.esm (17 -> 17) Inn Girls Resources.esm (18 -> 2) ZaZAnimationPack.esm (19 -> 16) ITortureFramework.esm (20 -> 15) MiasLair.esp (21 -> 14) moonpath.esm (22 -> 13) paradise_halls.esm (23 -> 12) PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm (24 -> 11) Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm (25 -> 10) SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm (26 -> 7) SMSkyrim.esp (27 -> 6) Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp (28 -> 226) 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp (29 -> 225) 3DNPC.esp (30 -> 224) ABBA.esp (31 -> 223) AddItemMenu2.esp (32 -> 222) AHZmoreHUD.esp (33 -> 221) AI Package Manager.esp (34 -> 220) AKElvenTeenies.esp (35 -> 219) aleGetNaked.esp (36 -> 218) AllNudePlay.esp (37 -> 217) Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp (38 -> 216) AMatterOfTime.esp (39 -> 215) AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp (40 -> 214) animal_mansion.esp (41 -> 213) Apropos.esp (42 -> 212) ASA_TEST.esp (43 -> 211) BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp (44 -> 210) Beastess Vampire.esp (45 -> 209) BeeingFemaleBasicAddOn.esp (46 -> 208) beinz_plugin.esp (47 -> 207) BFSEffects.esp (48 -> 206) Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp (49 -> 205) Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp (50 -> 204) Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp (51 -> 203) Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp (52 -> 202) Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp (53 -> 201) Customizable Camera.esp (54 -> 200) DanarielStormbow.esp (55 -> 199) dc-untamed-000.esp (56 -> 198) dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp (57 -> 197) dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp (58 -> 196) dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp (59 -> 195) dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp (60 -> 194) Deadly Wenches.esp (61 -> 193) Deviously Cursed Loot.esp (62 -> 192) DW.esp (63 -> 191) Dwarfsphere.esp (64 -> 190) Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp (65 -> 189) ELFXEnhancer.esp (66 -> 188) EnhancedLightsandFX.esp (67 -> 187) ErynielElfV2.esp (68 -> 186) ESFCompanions.esp (69 -> 185) EstrusChaurus.esp (70 -> 184) EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp (71 -> 183) FalskaarRNDPatch.esp (72 -> 182) fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp (73 -> 181) FISS.esp (74 -> 180) FNIS.esp (75 -> 179) FNISSexyMove.esp (76 -> 178) Forgotten Wenches.esp (77 -> 177) Frostfall.esp (78 -> 176) FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp (79 -> 175) Giada.esp (80 -> 174) Hair Physics Project.esp (81 -> 173) Hateful Wenches.esp (82 -> 172) HDT Female Hairstyles.esp (83 -> 171) HDTTailsEquipable.esp (84 -> 170) HelmetToggle2.02b.esp (85 -> 169) HentaiCreatures.esp (86 -> 168) HighResTexturePack01.esp (87 -> 167) HighResTexturePack02.esp (88 -> 166) HighResTexturePack03.esp (89 -> 165) Imaginator BETA.esp (90 -> 164) Immersive Arousal.esp (91 -> 163) Immersive Encounters.esp (92 -> 162) Immersive Patrols II.esp (93 -> 161) immersive wenches RND-patch.esp (94 -> 160) Immersive Wenches.esp (95 -> 159) InigoPerkPointGiver.esp (96 -> 158) Japanese.esp (97 -> 157) JaxonzZoom.esp (98 -> 156) Judgment Wenches.esp (99 -> 155) KomAnimObjects.esp (100 -> 154) KomAnimScaler.esp (101 -> 153) KS Hairdos - HDT.esp (102 -> 152) KS Hairdo's.esp (103 -> 151) Liz Follower.esp (104 -> 150) LunariWarriors.esp (105 -> 149) Milk Addict.esp (106 -> 148) Milker Movil Armor.esp (107 -> 147) MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp (108 -> 146) MilkModNEW CF.esp (109 -> 145) MilkModNEW HF.esp (110 -> 144) MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp (111 -> 143) MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp (112 -> 142) MilkModNEW.esp (113 -> 141) mintylightningmod.esp (114 -> 140) MistySkye.esp (115 -> 139) MLU.esp (116 -> 138) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (117 -> 137) moonpath_questdata.esp (118 -> 136) MoreNastyCritters.esp (119 -> 135) MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp (120 -> 134) multi_cloak.esp (121 -> 133) NibblesAnimObjects.esp (122 -> 132) NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp (123 -> 131) OBIS.esp (124 -> 130) OBISDB.esp (125 -> 129) OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp (126 -> 128) PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp (127 -> 127) PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp (128 -> 126) pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp (129 -> 125) pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp (130 -> 124) pahe-tdf-patch.esp (131 -> 123) paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp (132 -> 122) paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp (133 -> 121) PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp (134 -> 120) PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp (135 -> 119) RaceMenu.esp (136 -> 118) RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp (137 -> 117) RaceMenuPlugin.esp (138 -> 116) RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp (139 -> 115) Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp (140 -> 114) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp (141 -> 113) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp (142 -> 112) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp (143 -> 111) RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp (144 -> 110) RohZima_AnimObjects.esp (145 -> 109) RutahTattooPack.esp (146 -> 108) SAP.esp (147 -> 107) Sassy.esp (148 -> 106) SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp (149 -> 105) Schlongs of Skyrim.esp (150 -> 104) ScriptTest.esp (151 -> 103) SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp (152 -> 102) SexLab Beastess.esp (153 -> 101) SexLab Cumshot.esp (154 -> 100) SexLab Eager NPCs.esp (155 -> 99) SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp (156 -> 98) SexLab_DibellaCult.esp (157 -> 97) SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp (158 -> 96) SexLab_Solutions.esp (159 -> 95) SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp (160 -> 94) SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp (161 -> 93) SexLabCumRegenerator.esp (162 -> 92) SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp (163 -> 91) SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp (164 -> 90) SexLabSquirtR.esp (165 -> 89) SexLabTools.esp (166 -> 88) Shout Like a Virgin.esp (167 -> 87) Size Does Matter.esp (168 -> 86) SKY_Aura.esp (169 -> 85) SKY_Iridis.esp (170 -> 84) SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp (171 -> 83) SKY_Solis.esp (172 -> 82) SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp (173 -> 81) SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp (174 -> 80) SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp (175 -> 79) Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp (176 -> 78) Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp (177 -> 77) Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp (178 -> 76) skyrimespawn.esp (179 -> 75) SkyrimUnhinged.esp (180 -> 74) SkyrimURWL.esp (181 -> 73) SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp (182 -> 72) SkyUI.esp (183 -> 71) SL Deadly Drain.esp (184 -> 70) SLA Monitor Widget.esp (185 -> 69) SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp (186 -> 68) SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp (187 -> 67) SLAnimLoader.esp (188 -> 66) Slaverun_Reloaded.esp (189 -> 65) SlaveTats.esp (190 -> 64) SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp (191 -> 63) SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp (192 -> 62) SLPleasure.esp (193 -> 61) SLSW Addicted.esp (194 -> 60) SMIM-Merged-All.esp (195 -> 59) SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp (196 -> 58) SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp (197 -> 57) SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp (198 -> 56) SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp (199 -> 55) SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp (200 -> 54) SOS - Revealing Armors.esp (201 -> 53) SOS - Shop.esp (202 -> 52) SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp (203 -> 51) SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp (204 -> 50) SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp (205 -> 49) SOSRaceMenu.esp (206 -> 48) TestMorph.esp (207 -> 47) The Brotherhood of Old.esp (208 -> 46) The Manipulator.esp (209 -> 45) TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp (210 -> 44) TheEyesOfBeauty.esp (211 -> 43) TimeSlowToggle.esp (212 -> 42) UIExtensions.esp (213 -> 41) Undeath.esp (214 -> 40) Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp (215 -> 39) UnreadBooksGlow.esp (216 -> 38) WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp (217 -> 37) WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp (218 -> 36) Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp (219 -> 35) Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp (220 -> 34) WetandCold.esp (221 -> 33) WetFunction.esp (222 -> 32) XPMSE.esp (223 -> 31) ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp (224 -> 30) ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp (225 -> 29) ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp (226 -> 28) zzEstrus.esp Look how apachi go to position 26 and Update.esm go to the normal position in slot 1 because now i have zaz in position 2 and zaz NEED records from Update.esm but not have dependency from the DLC's This is the new GENERATED load order when save the game: Spoiler Saving mod list: (0) Skyrim.esm (1) Update.esm (2) ZaZAnimationPack.esm (3) Dragonborn.esm (4) HearthFires.esm (5) Dawnguard.esm (6) Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp (7) SMSkyrim.esp (8) SexLab.esm (9) SexLabAroused.esm (10) SexLab - Sexual Fame [SLSF].esm (11) Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm (12) PSQ PlayerSuccubusQuest.esm (13) paradise_halls.esm (14) moonpath.esm (15) MiasLair.esp (16) ITortureFramework.esm (17) Inn Girls Resources.esm (18) Falskaar.esm (19) EagleEyePerk.esm (20) Devious Devices - Assets.esm (21) Devious Devices - Integration.esm (22) Devious Devices - Expansion.esm (23) CreatureFramework.esm (24) Campfire.esm (25) BeeingFemale.esm (26) ApachiiHairFemales.esm (27) ApachiiHair.esm (28) zzEstrus.esp (29) ZIA_Daedric Pack_V4.esp (30) ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp (31) ZIA_Ancient Pack_V4.esp (32) XPMSE.esp (33) WetFunction.esp (34) WetandCold.esp (35) Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp (36) Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp (37) WARZONES - DLC - Assault Attack.esp (38) WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esp (39) UnreadBooksGlow.esp (40) Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp (41) Undeath.esp (42) UIExtensions.esp (43) TimeSlowToggle.esp (44) TheEyesOfBeauty.esp (45) TheCoenaculiCBBE.esp (46) The Manipulator.esp (47) The Brotherhood of Old.esp (48) TestMorph.esp (49) SOSRaceMenu.esp (50) SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp (51) SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp (52) SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp (53) SOS - Shop.esp (54) SOS - Revealing Armors.esp (55) SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp (56) SMSkyrim - Encounters.esp (57) SMSkyrim - Compressed.esp (58) SMSkyrim - Alternate Start + General Patch.esp (59) SMSkyrim - 3DNPC Patch.esp (60) SMIM-Merged-All.esp (61) SLSW Addicted.esp (62) SLPleasure.esp (63) SlaveTatsMagicManager.esp (64) SlaveTatsEventsBridge.esp (65) SlaveTats.esp (66) Slaverun_Reloaded.esp (67) SLAnimLoader.esp (68) SLALAnimObjBillyy.esp (69) SLAL_AnimationsByLeito.esp (70) SLA Monitor Widget.esp (71) SL Deadly Drain.esp (72) SkyUI.esp (73) SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp (74) SkyrimURWL.esp (75) SkyrimUnhinged.esp (76) skyrimespawn.esp (77) Skyrim Shadow Striping Fix.esp (78) Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp (79) Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp (80) SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp (81) SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp (82) SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp (83) SKY_Solis.esp (84) SKY_Lumen-Cael.esp (85) SKY_Iridis.esp (86) SKY_Aura.esp (87) Size Does Matter.esp (88) Shout Like a Virgin.esp (89) SexLabTools.esp (90) SexLabSquirtR.esp (91) SexLabSkoomaWhore.esp (92) SexLabMassMatchMaker.esp (93) SexLabCumRegenerator.esp (94) SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp (95) SexlabAmmoUnequip.esp (96) SexLab_Solutions.esp (97) SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp (98) SexLab_DibellaCult.esp (99) SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp (100) SexLab Eager NPCs.esp (101) SexLab Cumshot.esp (102) SexLab Beastess.esp (103) SexLab Aroused Creatures.esp (104) ScriptTest.esp (105) Schlongs of Skyrim.esp (106) SC07SexLabRandomAttack.esp (107) Sassy.esp (108) SAP.esp (109) RutahTattooPack.esp (110) RohZima_AnimObjects.esp (111) RevertUSKPFortifyRestoration.esp (112) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer.esp (113) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dragonborn.esp (114) Remodeled Armor - Vanilla Replacer - Dawnguard.esp (115) Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp (116) RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp (117) RaceMenuPlugin.esp (118) RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp (119) RaceMenu.esp (120) PredatorsLostTribesV1.esp (121) PermaZONESLegendaryHardcore.esp (122) paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp (123) paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp (124) pahe-tdf-patch.esp (125) pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp (126) pahe_lakeview_manor_cell.esp (127) PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp (128) PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp (129) OpenFaceGuardHelmets.esp (130) OBISDB.esp (131) OBIS.esp (132) NPCs Protected and Uncapped.esp (133) NibblesAnimObjects.esp (134) multi_cloak.esp (135) MrissiTailOfTroubles.esp (136) MoreNastyCritters.esp (137) moonpath_questdata.esp (138) Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp (139) MLU.esp (140) MistySkye.esp (141) mintylightningmod.esp (142) MilkModNEW.esp (143) MilkModNEW ZaZ Sanbox.esp (144) MilkModNEW Sanbox.esp (145) MilkModNEW HF.esp (146) MilkModNEW CF.esp (147) MilkMod_MilkPumpsBasic.esp (148) Milker Movil Armor.esp (149) Milk Addict.esp (150) LunariWarriors.esp (151) Liz Follower.esp (152) KS Hairdo's.esp (153) KS Hairdos - HDT.esp (154) KomAnimScaler.esp (155) KomAnimObjects.esp (156) Judgment Wenches.esp (157) JaxonzZoom.esp (158) Japanese.esp (159) InigoPerkPointGiver.esp (160) Immersive Wenches.esp (161) immersive wenches RND-patch.esp (162) Immersive Patrols II.esp (163) Immersive Encounters.esp (164) Immersive Arousal.esp (165) Imaginator BETA.esp (166) HighResTexturePack03.esp (167) HighResTexturePack02.esp (168) HighResTexturePack01.esp (169) HentaiCreatures.esp (170) HelmetToggle2.02b.esp (171) HDTTailsEquipable.esp (172) HDT Female Hairstyles.esp (173) Hateful Wenches.esp (174) Hair Physics Project.esp (175) Giada.esp (176) FWB_SexLabDisparity.esp (177) Frostfall.esp (178) Forgotten Wenches.esp (179) FNISSexyMove.esp (180) FNIS.esp (181) FISS.esp (182) fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp (183) FalskaarRNDPatch.esp (184) EtR_HearthfireDungeonAddon.esp (185) EstrusChaurus.esp (186) ESFCompanions.esp (187) ErynielElfV2.esp (188) EnhancedLightsandFX.esp (189) ELFXEnhancer.esp (190) Elephant'sScriptLatencyTester.esp (191) Dwarfsphere.esp (192) DW.esp (193) Deviously Cursed Loot.esp (194) Deadly Wenches.esp (195) dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp (196) dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp (197) dD-DG-DB-Immersive Creatures EBT Patch.esp (198) dD - 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The game is not stupid, have their OWN rules, and make a good work when you give a BAD load order. The only thing that make the game with the load order is create the virtual database of the mods in pure virtual memory before show the main menu. The game open pluging.txt and look what depencies have the first mod in the list and load the MASTERS mods before load that mod. Because is the only way for create a correct database. For that, when you have a faulting master the game made CTD before the main menu. Because can not create the virtual database. Seems that you has not make any test in your game and you not belive the things that i say but are true. I using a old spreadshet for order my plugings in alphabetical ascendent and descendent. See it: Spoiler Is very easy verify the things that i say. Please, make your own test and see it with your own eyes.
yatol Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Myst42 said: Tip: It never worked in the first place with an incorrect load order. Not in a new game, not ever. really? this is mod x that edit some navmesh for npc to no longer crash into the wall https://www.afkmods.com/Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch Version History.html ctrl f navmesh Followers were unable to enter Purewater Run due to a broken navmesh connection. (Bug #22733) Navmeshing in front of Warmaidens in Whiterun was allowing NPCs to try to walk through objects and take awkward pathing. (Bug #22313) The interior of Anga's house in Anga's Mill needed to have the navmesh refinalized. She would sometimes become stuck inside, unable to leave. (Bug #21601) but you aren't able to ctd putting it under your whiterun overhaul or whatever because of the flag esm and since you worship that one, what does he have to say about that https://www.reddit.com/r/skyrimmods/comments/3izpco/fixing_deleted_navmeshes_in_official_dlcs/ Quote level 3 Arthmoor Destroyer of Bugs 6 points · 3 years ago No, that's wrong. Navmeshes are NOT merged at runtime. Only the NAVI record, which is a very specific thing to talk about, is merged. NAVM records will crash the game if one is deleted and another mod references that. as for the question, you delete the navmesh with flag deleted, and you renumber the dlc navmesh to that, in dawnguard doing that with another esp... euh.... you copy paste dlc navmesh in the esp, renumber to skyrim navmesh with deleted to overwrite it, then you copy paste dlc navmesh and give it flag deleted (euh.... that's what there is in dawnguard for skyrim navmesh...) https://forum.step-project.com/topic/6436-unofficial-navmesh-patch-by-grandbulwark/ Quote Quote Don't use it. It will not help. The author's intentions are good, but it will not work and will instead, ironically, cause CTD at the locations of the deleted navmeshes. oh, he failed (but had still released that) no idea why they care so much about those navmesh with flag deleted (don't remember messing with that, deleting the tests cells, eq3 stuff, empty cells... yes, but looking for the stuff with flag deleted... why bother it's not load)
Myst42 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 28 minutes ago, yatol said: Yeah, we can all agree that referencing unexistant things can cause issues For the Nth time how is this mid-game LO change's fault? Quote "NAVM records will crash the game if one is deleted and another mod references that" All of these posts reference delinquent mods that delete navmeshes on their own. The mods themselves are buggy, and that's why modders need to fix them, and talk about it on their update logs This ain't got anything to do with the practice of changing load order. If a mod contained deleted references, it will contain them no matter where you place it., and it doesnt give a rat's ass about when did you decide to load it, allowing it to mess up your game. That kind of deal only gets fixed by actually fixing the bugged mod, or removing it. It's A MOD WHAT DELETES REFERENCES Not A MID-GAME CHANGE IN LOAD ORDER Having a mod containing deleted references is a terrible, terrible idea, under any circumstance. Especially if it's deleting stuff from official plugins, This is a simple fact related to mod making, not load order change mid-game.
yatol Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 33 minutes ago, Myst42 said: Having a mod containing deleted references is a terrible, terrible idea, under any circumstance. Especially if it's deleting stuff from official plugins why don't you go tell bethesda they put stuff that should never be used under any circumstance in their tools if you think you know what you are talking about? if other didn't understood what the links above are talking about... bethesda guy put dawnguard castle entrance near riften, then regenerate the navmesh with that stuff, wops, he did it in dawnguard.esm instead of skyrim.esm instead of redoing it in skyrim.esm, flag disabled to the one in skyrim.esm, it's faster the only problem, you have 2 records instead of one delete that from master and compare to original size, is it worth your time to do something about that? who had to get rid of immersive winterhold, jh skyrim or whatever because of those terrible records with flag deleted? that come with mods that overhaul cities or buildings, and it's normal you want a bigger room, you place new walls (moving around the original walls and making them bigger? leave those walls size alone for the texture to look the same on all walls) you add a room to riften castle, you have to delete something to put your door somewhere you are in game, you open the console, click on something, type deleted, it disappear... and that's it (wops the stuff not be used is available in game too^^)
GenioMaestro Posted April 29, 2019 Author Posted April 29, 2019 2 hours ago, yatol said: ... I want to put an end to the false problem of meshes. In the first place, if a mod refers to a record DELETED IN A MASTER, we will have CTD. In the years 2012, 2013 and 2014 it was normal and everyone had to clean their masters and recover the deleted references to solve the CTD for make the mods would work again. That was many years ago. Today, I do not know any mod that refers to records DELETED IN MASTERS. I have not cleaned my master files for many years and I have no problem because there are no longer any mods that refer to ERASED records in the MASTERS. See how LOOT tells me that I have to clean my masters and I do not do it because cleaning the masters was a COMPULSORY operation years ago. Nowadays it is not necessary. Spoiler Second, if a mod refers to a master record and then deletes its record there is no problem and the game DOES NOT make CTD because the main reference still exists in the PRIMARY MASTER. That's what they did in several of the records in Dawnguard, HeartFire and DragonBorn. And they did it because it does not give any problem and does not cause CTD. I have the DELETED Dawnguard records and I have Warzones that modifies that NavMesh and there is no problem and that does not generate CTD. Spoiler Dawnguard does not create the cell because the cell is defined in Skyrim.esm with the code 0000BBA5 and any other mod that wants to change that cell has to do reference to the ORIGINAL cell defined in Skyrim.esm with the code 0000BBA5. Dawnguard refers to cell 0000BBA5 that EXISTS in Skyrim.esm and Warzones refers to the same cell 0000BBA5. The two mods refer to a primary master record that EXISTS and therefore can not cause CTD. Simply, the game ignores the Dawnguard registry because it is marked as DELETED and that not cause CTD and not give any problem. If someone has not updated their mods or has not updated their game or has made incorrect changes, I beg you to, please fix your game, and stop reporting problems that do not exist.
Myst42 Posted April 29, 2019 Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, yatol said: why don't you go tell bethesda they put stuff that should never be used under any circumstance in their tools if you think you know what you are talking about? if other didn't understood what the links above are talking about... bethesda guy put dawnguard castle entrance near riften, then regenerate the navmesh with that stuff, wops, he did it in dawnguard.esm instead of skyrim.esm instead of redoing it in skyrim.esm, flag disabled to the one in skyrim.esm, it's faster the only problem, you have 2 records instead of one delete that from master and compare to original size, is it worth your time to do something about that? who had to get rid of immersive winterhold, jh skyrim or whatever because of those terrible records with flag deleted? that come with mods that overhaul cities or buildings, and it's normal you want a bigger room, you place new walls (moving around the original walls and making them bigger? leave those walls size alone for the texture to look the same on all walls) you add a room to riften castle, you have to delete something to put your door somewhere you are in game, you open the console, click on something, type deleted, it disappear... and that's it (wops the stuff not be used is available in game too^^) Why dont you read what I wrote instead of replying me with talk about stuff that has nothing to do with the subject in question This has literally nothing to do with mid game load order change It is, and always has been, a load order issue that would be present from the start if you begin game with an incorrect load order. This issue is caused by A SPECIFIC MOD in a WRONG LOAD ORDER, not by the practice of changing load order mid-game. It doesnt matter if you change load order before a new game or after saving, if your load order is incorrect, the issue will be ther regardless of when you decided to change it to an incorrect setting. But I feel like I'm talking in deaf ears here cause I've been saying the same thing for the past 5 posts at least. It has been a widespread practice for ages, to tell users to use tools like LOOT or BOSS in the Oblivion days, and now Vortext to sort mods and arrange them in the correct load order.
yatol Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Myst42 said: Why dont you read what I wrote instead of replying me with talk about stuff that has nothing to do with the subject in question that's coming from the one that only took navmesh from the exemples of my first post? and start writing some stuff about dawnguard deleted navmesh (what does this have to do with my exemple?) just for lol On 4/9/2019 at 7:41 PM, GenioMaestro said: Change the loading order in the middle of the game can cause problems ??? Never. The game can change the order of the plugings at any time and without causing any problem. If some functionalities of a mod stop working by moving it in the order of loading it is a problem of that mod. and the answear to that bullshit On 4/25/2019 at 2:36 AM, yatol said: you have dragon mod and you have put requiem last because you are told to do it maybe you weren't able to see it, but you don't have dragon mod, requiem is overwriting it it's not a problem to lose your dragon mod by putting requiem under it? and your dragon mod that was working fine before, is supposed to become broken when you lose it because you have overwrite it by another mod? what is that bullshit?
Myst42 Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, yatol said: that's coming from the one that only took navmesh from the exemples of my first post? and start writing some stuff about dawnguard deleted navmesh (what does this have to do with my exemple?) ?????? Are you broken, that you can't make sense in your posts? I understand language barrier, but jeez... I can't make sense of a single sentence of this post. Writing coherently should be a requirement before trying to argue so aggresively with someone, especially if you're trying to prove a point which you haven't been able to even properly explain on the entire thread. "...the one that only took navmesh from the exemples of my first post.." "..and start writing some stuff about dawnguard deleted nav..." What the hell, that's literally you who brought Dawnguard and navmeshes to this conversation, not me. What are you even trying to argue? 1 hour ago, yatol said: you have dragon mod and you have put requiem last because you are told to do it maybe you weren't able to see it, but you don't have dragon mod, requiem is overwriting it And that still looks like wrong load order issue -Start the game, with a correct load order -No issues -Change load order to a wrong one -Get problems Of course that's gonna cause issues! THE LOAD ORDER IS WRONG Doesnt mean that this: -Start the game with wrong load order -Get problems Isn't going to happen anyway, everytime you try to play with a wrong LO Changing a setting to a wrong LO is obviously gonna cause issues, that's the way it has been for ages, ffs. What kind of argument is that? How is this related to THE PROCEDURE instead of THE ACTUAL ORDER? Lol, i dont even know why you keep arguing with me, seems you're talking about a completely different subject than the one this thread is supposed to be about, and the worst part is you can't even realize it, and you keep trying to "prove a point" that is simply related to something entirely different.
GenioMaestro Posted April 30, 2019 Author Posted April 30, 2019 11 hours ago, yatol said: it's not a problem to lose your dragon mod by putting requiem under it? and your dragon mod that was working fine before, is supposed to become broken when you lose it because you have overwrite it by another mod? what is that bullshit? If a user have a specific problem with a mod must be a problem with THAT mod probably caused by bad installation, missing requeriments or fail following the instructions. Is it so hard to understand? You talk about Requiem, one of the most big and complex mod for Skyrim, started in 2012 and updated in 2019. The developer publish new versions for correct problems and errors in the mod and, sometimes, offer new functionalities. Do you have the last version? If you have a specific problem with Requiem i beg you to revise your game installation, the mod version and the installation of the mod. Follow the instruction and, if yours problems remain, request help in the support page of the mod. Adittionally, Requiem say very clear in the main page of the mod: Requiem requires a new game If you do not follow the instructions the mod can not works as intended and sure you can have a lot of problems. After the correct installation of Requiem in a NEW GAME you can move it in the load order whitout any problem. I know that my words go against the "comunity rule" that say "not move the load order in mid game" and for that i write 10k of text in my first message. Because that rule, really, not have any fundament. A lot of players has had problems in the game and they think are caused by "move the load order in mid game" and that is totally false. The problems, always, are caused by problems in the mods or fails in the installation. Please, read my messages. Read the messages from Arthmoor. Remove the fear and make your own test. The game and the savegame not have any problem when move the plugings in the load order. Only SOME mods have problems while the 99% of the mods do not have any problem. That mean whitout any doubth that we can move the plugings in the load order when we want. If we found a problem, must be caused by a mod, and we must report the problem to the developer.
yatol Posted April 30, 2019 Posted April 30, 2019 6 hours ago, GenioMaestro said: You talk about Requiem, one of the most big and complex mod for Skyrim, started in 2012 and updated in 2019. The developer publish new versions for correct problems and errors in the mod and, sometimes, offer new functionalities. Do you have the last version? If you have a specific problem with Requiem i beg you you had no idea what to write so you went with that to write something... that have nothing to do with whatever i wrote, as usual unlike you, i know what i am doing, there's no problem with the mods i use... and your most big and complex mod was heavily edited without any problem requiem add some falmers, bandits and whatever to some area, it's supposed to give challenge to have more useless npc, have delete that instead, dragonborn no longer become cheaty dragonborn with crafting, and npcs get some armor penetration and an active effect that give the ones that are too low level compared to dragonborn level more stats it's sic that take care of creatures, but they still have requiem active effect (troll regeneration, frost immunitie and whatever) the requiem quest that start when you enter helgen keep, (have copy paste that to others mods quests, and helgen start problem, bye bye), mods faction not allied to the invisible deer called requiem stalker can turn hostile to it by hitting it with fireball, have no use for that deer so bye bye the deer, the gear something that make inventory messier (iron armor something, iron armor something else...) -> deleted, don't remember what else there is in that requiem problably mess with alchemy, for me it's crafing the 3 potions (weak, normal, strong, and that's all, easier to find stuff in inventory that way, armors mods aren't in inventory either, it's a spell with uilist to pick the armor from the list instead of having that in inventory, since there's that stuff, why not use it?) don't see the difference copy pasting aela immersive weapon in bijin or in requiem (aela with that instead of requiem weapon isn't the expected requiem experience? i don't care about that, i don't pick mods to not have them in game, and if i don't like something in a mod, i get rid of it)
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