Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler Just now, Yuki_Snowflower said: I deleted every save and start new saves, still the new saves crashes my game. Sorry I need clarification. Are you saying 1) that your game with the new load order crashes when you try to load it or 2) you've started a new game, saved once or twice, and when you load one of those saves your game crashes or 3) something entirely different?
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents Sorry I need clarification. Are you saying 1) that your game with the new load order crashes when you try to load it or 2) you've started a new game, saved once or twice, and when you load one of those saves your game crashes or 3) something entirely different? Oh that is my bad for not explaining it correctly it is option number 2.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 1 minute ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: Oh that is my bad for not explaining it correctly it is option number 2. Now just reassurance (hopefully not clarification). The saves that you are trying to load were all part of the same playthrough that you started with the load order listed above? To be precise, they are NOT from a previous game when you had the wonky load order?
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents Now just reassurance (hopefully not clarification). The saves that you are trying to load were all part of the same playthrough that you started with the load order listed above? To be precise, they are NOT from a previous game when you had the wonky load order? My current only save is the one I made about 15 min ago, I don't try and load old saves, after I have installed new mods. I delete them all before I start up a new save.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 1 minute ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: My current only save is the one I made about 15 min ago, I don't try and load old saves, after I have installed new mods. I delete them all before I start up a new save. Alright then. Do you have crash fixes installed? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents Alright then. Do you have crash fixes installed? https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725 When I start it up I get this msg, and I sadly don't see the SKSE.ini file where it says it should be though I see the crash fixer file. Also I do have SKSE installed properly as otherwise I would not have been able to run the game the last 4 weeks.
Grey Cloud Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 3:33 PM, Yuki_Snowflower said: I deleted every save and start new saves, still the new saves crashes my game. The new games are loading all loading okay? Have you tried it with a quicksave and a full save? Have you tried loading the same save more than once. At the moment I am sometimes having problems with a save loading. The game crashes on take off so I just keep trying and it eventually loads. (I know what is causing this - me) Are you using ENBoost or Crash Fixes? I'm guessing you aren't using an ENB. How much RAM and VRAM do you have? EDIT: Ninjad by Psalam. The Data folder is the one inside your Skyrim folder (where all the esps live) What that message is telling you is that you have to go to the SKSE.ini file and make sure that DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB is set to 768 Crash Fixes is a SKSE plug-in. Your SKSE is working but the plug-in needs to be confibulated.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: The new games are loading all loading okay? Have you tried it with a quicksave and a full save? Have you tried loading the same save more than once. At the moment I am sometimes having problems with a save loading. The game crashes on take off so I just keep trying and it eventually loads. (I know what is causing this - me) Are you using ENBoost or Crash Fixes? I'm guessing you aren't using an ENB. How much RAM and VRAM do you have? EDIT: Ninjad by Psalam. The Data folder is the one inside your Skyrim folder (where all the esps live) What that message is telling you is that you have to go to the SKSE.ini file and make sure that DefaultHeapInitialAllocMB is set to 768 Crash Fixes is a SKSE plug-in. Your SKSE working but the plug-in needs to be confibulated. Yeah when I click new game and it starts up fine, it is just when I click save after it has said all the "installed" up in the top left. Then when I click quit to menu it crashes on the load to the save, though it is in the starting cell of Alternate Start - Live Another Life, Even though that worked before, I have thought about deleting or disabling some of of the few mods or rather doing that to the mods that has made it crash, Would it help it if I listed the mods that I installed that made my saves unstable? You are correct that I don't use ENB, and I just installed https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/72725 Crash fixes, like Psalam said, though that didn't work. and 32 gb ram and 8 gb vram.
Grey Cloud Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Well my next suggestions would be to follow this http://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost to install ENBoost. It is a good thing to have even if it does not solve this particular problem. I was going to suggest removing half your mods at a time but if you know the mods you installed then deselect them in NMM and try that. Did you make the change to the SKSE.ini and get rid of the message?
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 1 hour ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: When I start it up I get this msg, and I sadly don't see the SKSE.ini file where it says it should be though I see the crash fixer file. Also I do have SKSE installed properly as otherwise I would not have been able to run the game the last 4 weeks. Yeah, Donttouchmethere had someone with this problem recently. Evidently crash fixes is failing to give you this file. Here is a copy of mine: [General] EnableDiagnostics=1 ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 [Display] iTintTextureResolution=2048 [Memory] defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768 scrapHeapSizeMB=256 Go into Notepad and copy what I just posted into it. Then save that file as Skyrim/Data/SKSE/SKSE.ini - all of that with whatever path gets you to your Skyrim folder. You're in the right Skyrim if there is a Skyrim Launcher in it.
Grey Cloud Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Psalam said: Then save that file as Skyrim/Data/SKSE/SKSE.ini Err, no. The file is called SKSE.ini What you have put is not a valid file name.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Well my next suggestions would be to follow this http://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost to install ENBoost. It is a good thing to have even if it does not solve this particular problem. I was going to suggest removing half your mods at a time but if you know the mods you installed then deselect them in NMM and try that. Did you make the change to the SKSE.ini and get rid of the message? After removing the msg, I can't start the game up, or let me say it in a better way, I get into the main menu, clicking on new game, it crashes either while loading or after I have gotten done making my char. Also from what it says is it is for people that have less then or equal to 2 GB VRAM, on ENBoost I mean.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents Yeah, Donttouchmethere had someone with this problem recently. Evidently crash fixes is failing to give you this file. Here is a copy of mine: [General] EnableDiagnostics=1 ClearInvalidRegistrations=1 [Display] iTintTextureResolution=2048 [Memory] defaultHeapInitialAllocMB=768 scrapHeapSizeMB=256 Go into Notepad and copy what I just posted into it. Then save that file as Skyrim/Data/SKSE/SKSE.ini - all of that with whatever path gets you to your Skyrim folder. You're in the right Skyrim if there is a Skyrim Launcher in it. I have made that though I am not sure if it did anything because it and I placed it where you it should be placed. 13 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: Err, no. The file is called SKSE.ini What you have put is not a valid file name. And I did that, that should be in the place it needs to be in.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 8 minutes ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: After removing the msg, I can't start the game up, or let me say it in a better way, I get into the main menu, clicking on new game, it crashes either while loading or after I have gotten done making my char. Also from what it says is it is for people that have less then or equal to 2 GB VRAM, on ENBoost I mean. With 96 plug-ins it shouldn't be possible but run FNIS. Check to be certain that the skeleton that is loaded has 115 bones (male and female). Then post a screenshot of FNIS when it has completed running. The last statement in the box should be something like 10000 animations from 12 mods successfully loaded.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Psalam said: Hide contents With 96 plug-ins it shouldn't be possible but run FNIS. Check to be certain that the skeleton that is loaded has 115 bones (male and female). Then post a screenshot of FNIS when it has completed running. The last statement in the box should be something like 10000 animations from 12 mods successfully loaded. I decided to save the entire list so I can paste it in here cause I can't have all of it with a screenshot. Here is the list: FNIS Behavior V7.4.5 07-10-2018 19:01:16 Skyrim 32bit: 1.9.32.0 - P:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Skyrim\ (Steam) Skeleton(hkx) female: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) male: XPMS2HDT (115 bones) Patch: "GENDER Specific Animations" Patch: "SKELETON Arm Fix" Reading DD V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 493 alternate animations) ... Reading DD2 V4.0.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 330 alternate animations) ... Reading DD3 V4.1.0 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 102 alternate animations) ... Reading DDSL V4.0.0 ... Reading Deviously Cursed Loot V6.3 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading EstrusChaurus V4.34 ... Reading FNISBase V7.4.5 ... Reading FNISCreatureVersion V6.1 ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading sanguinesDebauchery V?.? ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 17 alternate animations) ... Reading SexLab V1.62 ... Reading SexLabAroused V?.? ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.61 ... Reading WhiterunBrothel V1.0 ... Reading XPMSE V7.2 ( 0 furniture, 0 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 164 alternate animations) ... Reading ZaZAnimationPack V8.00 ( 276 furniture, 43 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 0 alternate animations) ... Reading zzEstrus V2.20 ( 0 furniture, 1 offset, 0 paired, 0 kill, 0 chair, 12 alternate animations) ... All Anim Lists scanned. Generating Behavior Files... No GENDER directory male No GENDER directory female Alternate Animation mods: 6 sets: 65 total groups: 297 added file slots: 2241 alternate files: 1118 Create Creature Behaviors ... Reading MoreNastyCritters V1.0 ... Reading SexLabCreature V1.62 ... 5009 animations for 17 mods successfully included (character) 957 animations for 2 mods and 38 creatures successfully included.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 That was a bust. It was a long shot but I would have hated myself if I didn't ask. Spoiler Yeah when I click new game and it starts up fine, it is just when I click save after it has said all the "installed" up in the top left. Then when I click quit to menu it crashes on the load to the save, though it is in the starting cell of Alternate Start - Live Another Life, Even though that worked before, I have thought about deleting or disabling some of of the few mods or rather doing that to the mods that has made it crash, Would it help it if I listed the mods that I installed that made my saves unstable? First, some clarification for me. So you start Skyrim and find yourself in the Abandoned Prison. You make you character. You speak to the statue of Mara. You use the bed. At what point is your game crashing? Second, yes, if you have some information about which mods make your game unstable, please share it. Also tell me why you think those mods are culpable.
GenioMaestro Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: After removing the msg, I can't start the game up, or let me say it in a better way, I get into the main menu, clicking on new game, it crashes either while loading or after I have gotten done making my char. Also from what it says is it is for people that have less then or equal to 2 GB VRAM, on ENBoost I mean. With 100 mod's and that machine you not need ENBoost or crash fixes. You can have a problem in the INI files of the game. Download, install and run BethIni. Select ENB mode and Recomended Tweaks, Press High or Ultra and Save/exit The other problem can be a BAD INSTALL ORDER. With NMM the installation ORDER IS TOO IMPORTANT. When you install some mod's your NMM ask if you want replace some files. Some times, the decision is CRITICAL and can determine if the game run or crash. The only way for replace the correct files with NMM is follow a STRICT install order. Disable mod's until the problem disapear. Verify your game for half hour at least and save/load it 10 or 15 times in half hour. When you have a stable game, start again enabling mod's.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Psalam said: That was a bust. It was a long shot but I would have hated myself if I didn't ask. Reveal hidden contents Yeah when I click new game and it starts up fine, it is just when I click save after it has said all the "installed" up in the top left. Then when I click quit to menu it crashes on the load to the save, though it is in the starting cell of Alternate Start - Live Another Life, Even though that worked before, I have thought about deleting or disabling some of of the few mods or rather doing that to the mods that has made it crash, Would it help it if I listed the mods that I installed that made my saves unstable? First, some clarification for me. So you start Skyrim and find yourself in the Abandoned Prison. You make you character. You speak to the statue of Mara. You use the bed. At what point is your game crashing? Second, yes, if you have some information about which mods make your game unstable, please share it. Also tell me why you think those mods are culpable. Okay so I have that it crash at two different times, at this current moment, other then the save First: I start the game up, click on new game then during the loading screen it crashes. Second: I start the game up, get done making my char /useing a standard race with modded hair and cosmetic stuff that worked before and I haven't installed any that should mess with them), after abit or right after I have named my char, it crashes. As for the mods that broke my whole setup which led me to makeing this helping section post 1. Simple Slavery plus v6,02 2. Quick as you like 0_3_2a 3. Sexlab Stories Devious 084 4. Heretical Resources v1.51 5. mcgDwarvenDeviousCuirass1.1_CBBE 6. WhiterunBrothelRevamped - Patch_1.0.8 7. Devious Cidhna v1_10_FOMOD 8. Zaz Animation Pack CBBE V.8.0.[2017.11.19] (it works with this still installed, so it shouldn't be the problem) 9. SexLab Tools v3.0 10. SLAnimLoader-1.5 11. MoreNastyCritters_v11_3A 12. Creature Framework 1.1.0-pre2
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, GenioMaestro said: With 100 mod's and that machine you not need ENBoost or crash fixes. You can have a problem in the INI files of the game. Download, install and run BethIni. Select ENB mode and Recomended Tweaks, Press High or Ultra and Save/exit The other problem can be a BAD INSTALL ORDER. With NMM the installation ORDER IS TOO IMPORTANT. When you install some mod's your NMM ask if you want replace some files. Some times, the decision is CRITICAL and can determine if the game run or crash. The only way for replace the correct files with NMM is follow a STRICT install order. Disable mod's until the problem disapear. Verify your game for half hour at least and save/load it 10 or 15 times in half hour. When you have a stable game, start again enabling mod's. my load order should have been in order as I follow the install order that is told on the mod pages as I know that NMM is strict on that.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 10 minutes ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: Okay so I have that it crash at two different times, at this current moment, other then the save First: I start the game up, click on new game then during the loading screen it crashes. Second: I start the game up, get done making my char /useing a standard race with modded hair and cosmetic stuff that worked before and I haven't installed any that should mess with them), after abit or right after I have named my char, it crashes. As for the mods that broke my whole setup which led me to makeing this helping section post 1. Simple Slavery plus v6,02 2. Quick as you like 0_3_2a 3. Sexlab Stories Devious 084 4. Heretical Resources v1.51 5. mcgDwarvenDeviousCuirass1.1_CBBE 6. WhiterunBrothelRevamped - Patch_1.0.8 7. Devious Cidhna v1_10_FOMOD 8. Zaz Animation Pack CBBE V.8.0.[2017.11.19] (it works with this still installed, so it shouldn't be the problem) 9. SexLab Tools v3.0 10. SLAnimLoader-1.5 11. MoreNastyCritters_v11_3A 12. Creature Framework 1.1.0-pre2 First, and before I forget, let me tell you that @GenioMaestro know of which he peaks. His advice is almost always worth listening to. So, download Bethini, it is a handy tool found on Nexus. Good to have even if it doesn't help this problem. Second, crashing at the time you describe is usually due to too many animations. That is what I was looking for in your FNIS - but you don't have too many as far as I can tell. I would still look at eliminating the most likely culprit in that regard (SLAL/MNC and Creature Framework). I have them in my load order with over 10k animations without a problem but you've got to start somewhere. Third, the mods in your short list that I have no experience with are: Quick as you Like it (IIRC that is an old Doc Clox mod and may be outdated), SexLab Stories (if this is the DeepBlueFrog mod it should be okay), Heretical Resources (I've used this and it shouldn't crash your game but it can be wonky to play with and most of it's assets have been or soon will be absorbed into DD), and Dwarven Cuirasss (I know nothing). If you want a mod that is something like Quick you may want to try S_L_U_T_S by MrEsturk. So, I would recommend taking out the three animation mods (listed in the second point) and Quick as You Like It. Run LOOT and FNIS since you have changed your load order and animations and then get back with me. Oh, and get Bethini.
Yuki_Snowflower Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, Psalam said: Reveal hidden contents First, and before I forget, let me tell you that @GenioMaestro know of which he peaks. His advice is almost always worth listening to. So, download Bethini, it is a handy tool found on Nexus. Good to have even if it doesn't help this problem. Second, crashing at the time you describe is usually due to too many animations. That is what I was looking for in your FNIS - but you don't have too many as far as I can tell. I would still look at eliminating the most likely culprit in that regard (SLAL/MNC and Creature Framework). I have them in my load order with over 10k animations without a problem but you've got to start somewhere. Third, the mods in your short list that I have no experience with are: Quick as you Like it (IIRC that is an old Doc Clox mod and may be outdated), SexLab Stories (if this is the DeepBlueFrog mod it should be okay), Heretical Resources (I've used this and it shouldn't crash your game but it can be wonky to play with and most of it's assets have been or soon will be absorbed into DD), and Dwarven Cuirasss (I know nothing). If you want a mod that is something like Quick you may want to try S_L_U_T_S by MrEsturk. So, I would recommend taking out the three animation mods (listed in the second point) and Quick as You Like It. Run LOOT and FNIS since you have changed your load order and animations and then get back with me. Oh, and get Bethini. I have gotten Bethini and ran it, after that, I uninstalled SL Stories and QAYLI as the only two, Ran Loot and FNIS after. Been jumping around in the cell, all mods loaded and should be running since nothing is popping up, I will be testing it out for a longer time right now though, right now as I have done what I already said, lets just say that I am hopeful. Well I also don't have Dwarven Cuirass installed anymore either.
Psalam Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Spoiler 23 minutes ago, Yuki_Snowflower said: I have gotten Bethini and ran it, after that, I uninstalled SL Stories and QAYLI as the only two, Ran Loot and FNIS after. Been jumping around in the cell, all mods loaded and should be running since nothing is popping up, I will be testing it out for a longer time right now though, right now as I have done what I already said, lets just say that I am hopeful. Well I also don't have Dwarven Cuirass installed anymore either. I hope so too. You've learned a lot and picked up some good tools along the way. If you have any other problems you know where we are.
Grey Cloud Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, GenioMaestro said: With 100 mod's and that machine you not need ENBoost or crash fixes. That is theoretically correct. But a) Skyrim itself is limited in what resources it can use - ENBoost and CF are designed (in part) to overcome/and help with these limitations; and b) he has 100 mods today but may have 200 next month so he may as well get things in place now. Worst case is they do nothing - best case, they help now and head off future problems. 1 hour ago, Psalam said: Second, crashing at the time you describe is usually due to too many animations. I disagree with this. It's a resource issue. Something, which is not present during charcter creation and starting a new game, kicks in during the game and gets saved into the save. Something in the save screws the load in. That was the original problem. If the game is now crashing at load then I would agree with Genio and look at ini files (and or ENBoost and CF). Genio, From the Bethini readme: Q: If I use ONLY the ENBoost part of ENB, do I need to tick the ENB Mode checkbox? A: No. Again, this should be autodetected. Yuki, Do you see info similar to this when you start?
GenioMaestro Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, Grey Cloud said: That is theoretically correct. But a) Skyrim itself is limited in what resources it can use - ENBoost and CF are designed (in part) to overcome/and help with these limitations; and b) he has 100 mods today but may have 200 next month so he may as well get things in place now. Worst case is they do nothing - best case, they help now and head off future problems. http://wiki.step-project.com/ENBoost Notice: ENBoost is highly recommended ENBoost is highly recommended to be used by anyone who has 2GB VRAM or less. Users with newer videos which have at least 4GB VRAM may not require its use. The following instructions pertain only to ENBoost; the memory management of ENBSeries. Please do not install a full ENB Preset during the STEP Guide setup! (this can be done later, after configuring STEP:Core/Extended and the setup is confirmed to be working.) ENBoost is highly recommended to be used by anyone who has 2GB VRAM or less. I can CERTIFY that because i have only 2g of Vram. My game make CTD a lot if i remove my ENBoost. Users with newer videos which have at least 4GB VRAM may not require its use. Psalam can CERTIFY that because they have 4g of Vram. They play WITHOUT ENBoost for months with more than 200 mod's in Win10 without any problem. The OP have 8 Gb of Vram and not use High Poly Mesh or High Resolution Textures in 4k/8k. Not need ENB. Crash Fixes 12 has been developed for solve and catch problems that can't solve, and is TOO recomended, but is not obligatory. I know hundreds of players that not have it and not need it. The best advantage of Crash Fixes 12 is the memory manager with OsAlocators, and is disabled by default, because 90% of players have enougth with the memory manager of SKSE, made with a simply INI file, and THAT FILE IS OBLIGATORY, the game can make CTD too easy when install a mod with a DLL if the user not have the SKSE.INI correctly configured.
Grey Cloud Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 The S.T.E.P. wiki says 'may' not need ENBoost with 4GiB or more. I played for a couple of years with a 2GiB card and no ENBoost. I then played for several months with it incorrectly installed. ? It depends how much 'eye candy' you want or need. As I said, worst case it does nothing. I'm pretty sure that on the ENB dev site it doesn't say that 4GiB cards don't need it. It's not just eye candy either. This was a dozen or so mages and me going at it. I'm using ENBoost at the time and the game handled it without a problem (much to my surprise). It was absolutely mental while it lasted. Once it really got going I couldn't see a thing for the frost and fire and the shock killed my magicka so I was was just running through them a-hackin an' a-slashin'. Spin around and repeat . . .
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