caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Hey guys! I've been trying to move to HDT bodies, but I cannot for the life of me get it to function the way it's supposed to. I get this dreadful belly and body warping and following the advise from other people who have had similar issues (albeit years ago) I know that it's something to do with the skeleton not meshing right. But I cannot for the life of me figure out what the exact problem is. Here is my load order- I know for a fact that all of the relevant mods are fully updated. Am I doing bodyslide wrong? I'd appreciate any tips and I can write out what I do step by step if anyone has any ideas! Attached is a screenshot of my exact problem. Thanks in advance! Spoiler 0 0 Skyrim.esm 1 1 Update.esm 2 2 Dawnguard.esm 3 3 HearthFires.esm 4 4 Dragonborn.esm 5 5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp 6 6 hdtHighHeel.esm 7 7 SexLab.esm 8 8 Campfire.esm 9 9 RSkyrimChildren.esm 10 a ETaC - RESOURCES.esm 11 b EFFCore.esm 12 c ApachiiHairFemales.esm 13 d ApachiiHair.esm 14 e SexLabAroused.esm 15 f Devious Devices - Assets.esm 16 10 Devious Devices - Integration.esm 17 11 ZaZAnimationPack.esm 18 12 paradise_halls.esm daymoyl.esm 19 13 Devious Devices - Expansion.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp 20 14 SkyUI.esp 21 15 ETaC - Complete.esp 22 16 paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp 23 17 Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp 24 18 Helgen Reborn.esp 25 19 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp 26 1a Brawl Bugs CE.esp 27 1b Bounty Quest Fix.esp 28 1c xazPrisonOverhaulPatched.esp 29 1d Civil War Overhaul.esp 30 1e Feminine Females.esp 31 1f FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp 32 20 UIExtensions.esp 33 21 BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp 34 22 noRadiantJE.esp 35 23 GreenWaterFix_v2withDawnguard.esp 36 24 MacKom_LoreStylesHairSet.esp 37 25 When Vampires Attack.esp 38 26 Insects Begone - DragonBorn Spiders and Ashoppers.esp 39 27 Insects Begone - Hearthfires.esp 40 28 Captured Dreams.esp 41 29 Immersive Whiterun.esp 42 2a Immersive Solstheim.esp FtM_3 - OBIS + CCOR.esp FtM_3 - OBIS.esp 43 2b Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp 44 2c Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp 45 2d Inconsequential NPCs.esp 46 2e Run For Your Lives.esp 47 2f FtM_3.esp FtM_3 - CCOR.esp 48 30 Cloaks.esp 49 31 Drink Eat Sleep.esp 50 32 Nightingale Hall.esp 51 33 Immersive Weapons.esp 52 34 LeftHandRings - Dawnguard.esp 53 35 LeftHandRings.esp 54 36 BR_HoodCirclets.esp 55 37 _admod.esp 56 38 EFFDialogue.esp 57 39 Hoodless Archmage Robes.esp 58 3a Bijin Warmaidens.esp 59 3b sanguinesDebauchery.esp 60 3c ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp 61 3d Frostfall.esp 62 3e SexLab_Dialogues.esp 63 3f Insects Begone - Spiders and Chaurus.esp 64 40 Insects Begone - Dawnguard - Spiders and Chaurus.esp 65 41 ShowersInInns.esp 66 42 paradise_halls_fellglow_slave_camp.esp 67 43 SpousesEnhanced.esp 68 44 DragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.esp 69 45 LakeviewBathhouse.esp 70 46 WinstadBathhouse.esp 71 47 HeljarchenBathhouse.esp 72 48 PP_WindcallerPass.esp 73 49 GreenWaterFix_Compatible.esp 74 4a HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp 75 4b mmkhajiithair11.esp 76 4c FNIS.esp 77 4d UltimateCombat.esp 78 4e AMatterOfTime.esp 79 4f SPTDiverseGuardsSkyrim.esp 80 50 Dr_Bandolier.esp 81 51 Unique Uniques.esp 82 52 Bijin Wives.esp 83 53 Drink Eat Sleep Addon - Dragonborn.esp 84 54 Drink Eat Sleep Addon - Hearthfire.esp 85 55 Serana.esp 86 56 DanicaTheHealer.esp 87 57 Michiko.esp 88 58 CharacterMakingExtender.esp 89 59 EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp 90 5a Quest Eraser.esp 91 5b Brynjolf & Vex Followers.esp 92 5c Bijin NPCs.esp 93 5d LovelyHairstylesCE.esp 94 5e RSChildren.esp 95 5f RaceMenu.esp 96 60 RaceMenuPlugin.esp 97 61 Devious Devices - BRRF.esp 98 62 SLAnimLoader.esp 99 63 paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp 100 64 Devious Devices - Equip.esp 101 65 zaz-craft.esp 102 66 dcc-dm2.esp 103 67 SexLabTools.esp 104 68 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp 105 69 XPMSE.esp 106 6a Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
davisev5225 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53996/ https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68000 Make sure you have EXACTLY those two mods installed. Make sure XPMSE is the last thing you install, so that NOTHING overwrites it.
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, davisev5225 said: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/53996/ https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/68000 Make sure you have EXACTLY those two mods installed. Make sure XPMSE is the last thing you install, so that NOTHING overwrites it. Yup, I've done that multiple times, reinstalling all of my mods while making sure that XPMSE was the very last. I'm still running into the same issue. And it's those exact mods- the most recent builds too!
Blaze69 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, caocaothedeciever said: Yup, I've done that multiple times, reinstalling all of my mods while making sure that XPMSE was the very last. I'm still running into the same issue. And it's those exact mods- the most recent builds too! When you say "XPMSE was the very last", you mean "the last in the load order" or "the last mod I install over the others"? You probably mean the latter (which is the right way), but we might as well ask in case you don't.
Nymra Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 Ok, this is a problem I also had. This is how I did it: I never had a problem with Load Order. Just run LOOT. In the Mod Organizer left window, I use All in One Animated Pussy. The Priority is: 3 ALL in One Animated Pussy (Body) (comes last. Priority is the largest number) 2 XPMSE 1 HDT Realistic Force (comes first. Priority is the lowest number of the three) I know I had the problem before and I fixed it with the Priority (what overwrites what) and by also making sure all mods are up to date... This is at least how I did it and made it work. And its of course only for ALL in One...
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: When you say "XPMSE was the very last", you mean "the last in the load order" or "the last mod I install over the others"? You probably mean the latter (which is the right way), but we might as well ask in case you don't. I meant both- I've been reinstalling all of the following mods in this order: Installing CBBE 3.3 Installing Realistic Force Installing HDT PE Installing HDT Breast and Butt Physics Installing XPMSE Building the bodies in bodyslide, using the HDT CBBE Curvy Body, while making sure it matches with the HDT Devious Devices. It builds without issue- then running FNIS. Making sure XPMSE is the very last thing in the load order- manually dragging it to the bottom if necessary, with SD+ just before it. The only thing I can imagine (if you dont' mind peeking through my load order) is that one of the other mods might conflict with XPMSE? But having XPMSE installed last should overwrite it no? Incidentally, when I reinstall everything, I do NOT get asked to rewrite- only if I want to merge/replace the pre-existing files, etc. Or do I need to delete the mods, and then re-download and install them freshly? I'm grasping at straws here x_x.
Blaze69 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, caocaothedeciever said: [...] Your issue is caused by a wrong skeleton (read: anything that isn't XPMSE). So either 1) something else is somehow overwriting the XPMSE skeleton files with the wrong ones, 2) XPMSE files are not being properly installed, or 3) the path for the skeleton in the race data is not the vanilla one. Point 3) could be caused by some custom races, but since it seems to affect all NPCs in your game I'd say that is not an option. That only leaves 1 or 2. If you use Mod Organizer, could you go to the Data tab (right list) and navigate to the "meshes/actors/character/character assets female/" folder? Should list all the files there and the mod they come from, so you should be able to see if XPMSE's files are missing or are being overwritten by something else.
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, mowdig said: Pretty sure a simple way would be. Step 1. Reinstall XPMSE, and let it overwrite everything. Step 2. Run Loot, and dont manually change anything in the load order. Step 3. Run FNIS. Step 4. Enjoy the game. I've been doing that, but it hasn't made a difference. Perhaps I'm installing the wrong Skeleton? I've been installing the Skeleton Rig Map (HDT) I do run loot, but it keeps putting XPMSE higher in the load order, and from everything I've read, people say that should be last. And yes, I do run FNIS :P. And for step 4, no such luck it seems
Blaze69 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, caocaothedeciever said: I do run loot, but it keeps putting XPMSE higher in the load order, and from everything I've read, people say that should be last. The XPMSE.esp file only takes care of some game parameter edits, adding the skeleton/bone sliders to RaceMenu, and the MCM menu with the weapon placement options and some other misc fixes. It doesn't matter where it's loaded, and it's completely safe to put it higher in the load order. What needs to load last and overwrite anything else are the skeleton files themselves (i.e. the Meshes folder with all the .hkx and .nif files).
Nazzzgul666 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 The load order doesn't matter, it doesn't even matter if you have the .esp enabled at all. XPMSE MUST overwrite everything on install, though. No clue how to enforce that with NMM, i use MO.
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said: The load order doesn't matter, it doesn't even matter if you have the .esp enabled at all. XPMSE MUST overwrite everything on install, though. No clue how to enforce that with NMM, i use MO. I also use MO! Is there a way to make sure the XPMSE is enforced with the .hkx and .nifs?
Nazzzgul666 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 If you use MO, just move XPMSE all the way down on the left side and you're done. Well, and check/empty your overwrite folder, don't forget to rerun FNIS if that output is in overwrite only. *edit: before moving XMPSE down, make sure it's sorted by priority. That's default, but somewhere is a button to change the order to alphabetical or something...
Blaze69 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, caocaothedeciever said: I also use MO! Is there a way to make sure the XPMSE is enforced with the .hkx and .nifs? Try this: 23 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: If you use Mod Organizer, could you go to the Data tab (right list) and navigate to the "meshes/actors/character/character assets female/" folder? Should list all the files there and the mod they come from, so you should be able to see if XPMSE's files are missing or are being overwritten by something else. Also make sure the XPMSE folder has the highest value in the Priority field; in normal/default conditions (i.e. ordered by priority in descending order), that also means it's at the bottom of the list, but if you have changed the order criteria of the tab somehow, that could mean it's actually not overwriting other mods even if you see it at the bottom. EDIT: ninja'd by Nazzzgul.
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, Blaze69 said: Try this: Also make sure the XPMSE folder has the highest value in the Priority field; in normal/default conditions (i.e. ordered by priority in descending order), that also means it's at the bottom of the list, but if you have changed the order criteria of the tab somehow, that could mean it's actually not overwriting other mods even if you see it at the bottom. EDIT: ninja'd by Nazzzgul. Holy shit, I think it's finally working! Thank you so much you guys. God I love this community
caocaothedeciever Posted January 31, 2018 Author Posted January 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Nazzzgul666 said: If you use MO, just move XPMSE all the way down on the left side and you're done. Well, and check/empty your overwrite folder, don't forget to rerun FNIS if that output is in overwrite only. *edit: before moving XMPSE down, make sure it's sorted by priority. That's default, but somewhere is a button to change the order to alphabetical or something... It works! Thank you so much. I just have one very last question- is HDT breast and butt physics necessary, or does HDT PE handle all of that by itself?
davisev5225 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 HDT-PE provides the hook for physics outside of specially coded world objects. The rest is handled by the various mods. You don't need HDT Breast and Butt, as the meshes you get from BodySlide already have HDT physics attached (assuming you build one of the physics bodies instead of one of the static bodies).
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