Issue with some Wicked Whim animators

[Sarra1171]

It really p#@$%s me off those certain animators that create animations for Wicked Whims that give you all of the sequence for free EXCEPT the climax. They basically force people to pay them for their animations. I think that's bulls$%@t.

 

It's one thing to have a certain set of animations for free and then others for Patreon. BUT, to basically force people to pay you to use ANY  of your animations...it's ridiculous.

 

TO ALL YOU ANIMATORS THAT DO THIS...GUESS WHAT....I DON'T USE YOUR ANIMATIONS AT ALL. AND, BELIEVE ME, I AM A PATREON TO MANY....BUT NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

 

ANDDDD....usually those that do this, don't even have animations that are good enough to pay for in the first place.

[R-Lo]

It really p#@$%s me off those certain animators that create animations for Wicked Whims that give you all of the sequence for free EXCEPT the climax. They basically force people to pay them for their animations. I think that's bulls$%@t.

 

It's one thing to have a certain set of animations for free and then others for Patreon. BUT, to basically force people to pay you to use ANY of your animations...it's ridiculous.

 

TO ALL YOU ANIMATORS THAT DO THIS...GUESS WHAT....I DON'T USE YOUR ANIMATIONS AT ALL. AND, BELIEVE ME, I AM A PATREON TO MANY....BUT NOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

 

ANDDDD....usually those that do this, don't even have animations that are good enough to pay for in the first place.

 

It's not a case of holding things back but sometimes a sequence isn't made in a week, sometimes the climax may be made later and therefore will be released later, not just held as a teaser,

 

AAANNND.... have you ever tried to create animation??? Sometimes it can take days to create a single animation and some of us are doing this while juggling employment and a family too, your comment is a little unfair as a mere $3 isn't much considering you are not forced to buy, just to wait a little for a free download,

It's a pretty thankless job at times and some creators don't even share animations period so you can't fault those who try,

 

I also remind that support helps the growth and quality of the work done and can actually in time speed up the output of work shared here so that climaxes etc cum quicker and the updates can be larger.

[Too_Funky1987]

I wish there were more climaxes too. Let's hope ppl make some more!

[AzureChan]

One thing that bothered me actually the most, is that almost all (but not everybody) animators that just started making WW animations instantly start with a Patreon account. Like, I'm for modders getting supported on Patreon, but instantly going for it when you just started feels really wrong to me.

[Mariana Soprano]

As a technical idiot with bad knowledge in English too I am not a Patreon! This is much too complicated for me to understand and handle. And I could not pay all creators... but I can create some „Thank you“ sims and post screenshots from the wonderful, sexy free stuff creations in my game. ;-)

 

I would prefer to send donation sometimes via Paypal, if nessesary. But why don ´t you use just the free stuff? Sara1171, what is your problem with this? You want this and you want that – so maybe you ask for your special wishes at Patreon or creating used condoms and dirty panties yourself - if you need this stuff.

 

Look at yourself – Loverslab is for free, many many many DL are for free – but you as a member here posted 29 times since November 2014 and got no avatar. Everyone can read your postings... mostly with wishes and rare "thanks".

 

Many users just dl many many free stuff – they be far away from anything that could be understood as a „Thank you, creator!“ or posting interesting screenshots from the own adult gaming. Members who just ask for someting do not push creators to make more public free stuff or forfill wishes. Post a short question and a „please“ costs seconds... creating something like animations costs much more time and patience.

 

Just use the free stuff our creators worked on so many hours and often so hard to clean up more or less glitches or to make animations more and more realistic and perfect also with the next free public update.

 

Greetings to all our creators

MS

[Guest Redabyss]

One thing that bothered me actually the most, is that almost all (but not everybody) animators that just started making WW animations instantly start with a Patreon account. Like, I'm for modders getting supported on Patreon, but instantly going for it when you just started feels really wrong to me.

+1

 

Yup, Patreon pages situation is getting really stupid, to be honest.

I'm all for supporting authors... but there are way too many pages nowadays, even from beginners.

Granted, creating animations is hard as hell. But money don't grow on trees either.

Not to mention... you can't even trust some pages. Sometimes, they won't do any upload in a month, which is absurd and unbeliavable.

All pages force you to pay the moment you join. So let's say you forget to delete a pledge before the incoming month, or you want to trust the authors. Then they don't post anything. You're screwed, and your money are basically stolen.

 

I posted some tips about the current situation here: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/82353-patreon-situation-raising-awareness-tips/?do=findComment&comment=1969563

 

Now let's talk of why so many pages are being opened.

Aside of the obvious fact of money... there's a little thing many users underestimate here. Which is vocal encouragement.

In some cases (upper tier animators like Mike, Amra, etc.) it's abundant. In others, it is next to nonexistent.

Which is a good reason of why animators are led to open a supporting page. Food for thoughts, ain't it?

 

Anyways... attacking animators and screaming won't do you any favours, OP.

[R-Lo]

In all fairness, a sequence that I recently uploaded here is something that took nearly a month and a half to create with a lot of frustration, the climax for it was only recently added to patreon and will be freely available in my next update,

 

It's my first climax animation ever and it's not my intent to hold them back as a sales technique for the future.

 

In the meantime... I made a climax for a bowling rack

 

It took nearly 3 days to make

[fordirty]

On a similar vein as AzureChan. Honestly, I have a bit of an issue with patreon pages from people who haven't yet put a lot of practice into their skill. I am 100% for getting paid for the work you put in, but nobody is good at something right off the bat, and it seems a bit unfair to ask for money for something you've barely learned how to do.

 

Plus, when you're a beginner, you don't really know if this is something you'll want to stick with. I've seen people who started patreon pages as beginners, and even months later, haven't really improved their skill. I personally think this is because they've set a strict content-producing schedule too soon in their learning curve. When money enters the equation, your focus has to shift to include getting the content out in time, meaning less time to dedicate to learning and improving. Practice makes perfect, but you also have to practice right. I've published one single animation, but quickly discovered that while animations are fun to make, they not something I can reliably keep up with. As people have said, animation takes a ton of time and dedication. I think more people need to consider what they want out of producing animations.

(FTR, when I say 'you' I'm not referring to any person specifically. I mean it as a general 'you').

 

I acknowledge this is merely my opinion though. In any case, OP, people have the right to distribute their goods as they please. No one's forcing you to pay for content. You say the animators in question often aren't skilled enough for your money anyway, so why are you so upset about it?

 

 

[Guest Redabyss]

Well, it's hard to find the will to improve here without much vocal support AND gems like this floating around:

 

 

I very much hope that you make some more! You animations are, thus far, among the only ones worth getting - Mike24 and Amra72 being the only others. All of the other contributors seem to be content making wooden stick figures thrust into each other.

 

 

I mean, why would somebody waste his time in doing animations if not for money?

The issues with LoversLab's TS4 section are for both sides of the coin.

[fordirty]

Well, it's hard to find the will to improve here without much vocal support AND gems like this floating around:

 

 

I very much hope that you make some more! You animations are, thus far, among the only ones worth getting - Mike24 and Amra72 being the only others. All of the other contributors seem to be content making wooden stick figures thrust into each other.

 

 

I mean, why would somebody waste his time in doing animations if not for money?

The issues with LoversLab's TS4 section are for both sides of the coin.

 

I agree that animators get very little thanks for their work, and that is a problem. But a will to improve, in anything not just animation, shouldn't stem from other people. Feedback is important, and I would encourage people to seek the critique of others who are willing to provide it. I also don't think animators should put up with ungratefulness. What that person said was rude and unacceptable, as was OP in this thread. I agree that people in general SHOULD be more grateful, but that doesn't guarantee they ever will be. People tend to be flaky with gratitude, which really sucks.

 

About the money, I don't think there's anything wrong with animating for the money. I would argue though that if you believe animating is a waste of time, you probably shouldn't seek money for it. However, that's why I said more people should consider what they want from producing animations, instead of jumping into Patreon with their first few animations ever. Consider what it'll mean for future improvement, and how it'll affect them IRL, in case they end up not wanting to do it long-term.

[Scorpina]

If i may?

Simply put, like Everyone Else has Said, It's about Time Vs. Money, For someone with Alot of Free time, yeah not that big of a Deal. But making Anything in this game. that Is not Awful take's Time. And most of us, Have Jobs/School Ect ect ect. We have to Deal with Daily. Some of us can only Make stuff, During Weekends, or Work on A bit at night.

 

Now i understand not liking to pay for half ass Animations. Be like paying Full price for Half a Game. <Glares @ EA and Ubisoft>

But If you have have Talent for Animation. Try making some Animations.

But paying someone for Good animations, That i can see. And like has been Stated, most the Time Either it's not Done or The Creator will upload the Finish within a Few weeks, or so.

 

Just have Patience Young Sith Apprentice.

[AzureChan]

Well, it's hard to find the will to improve here without much vocal support AND gems like this floating around:

 

 

I very much hope that you make some more! You animations are, thus far, among the only ones worth getting - Mike24 and Amra72 being the only others. All of the other contributors seem to be content making wooden stick figures thrust into each other.

 

 

I mean, why would somebody waste his time in doing animations if not for money?

The issues with LoversLab's TS4 section are for both sides of the coin.

 

Well that's called a hobby, you in a way "waste" time and money on hobbies because you enjoy doing them. Obviously hobbies can turn into part-time/full-time jobs, heck thats how most YouTubers were born, people who made videos because they were passionate about it and simply enjoyed doing it and did not thought about earning money from it, thus putting a lot love and hard work into them, while channels that were made with the sole goal of gaining views/subscribers, often enough did not see much success.

[R-Lo]

Thing is with hobbies, is that a lot of the time they are private and not on any kind of radar, let alone a public and international one and let's face it.... As tough crowds go, this one can be pretty brutal,

 

In a way it kind of takes the "hobby" aspect out of it completely, whether you aim to be paid or not. People have pretty high expectations and therefore it becomes a performance or art if you will.

 

Through history, art has come in all shapes and forms whether it be written, painted, built etc and we now live in an age where people can perform in many ways on a digital and virtual level.

 

Unlike a lot of works the creation of sex animations or mods or ANY other form of media, is exposing a very intimate part of the creators mind and soul.

Regardless of the quality, this being shared deserves more respect, paid or not.

 

Agreed that there is a huge difference between passion and cash incentive but there are many telltale signs for that and it shows in time,

 

As a new creator here I've been on both sides of the fence and see many points, it was never my intent to start a patreon as I always just saw myself as a gamer!

I just had a play with blender as I wanted to see my cute Simmies do some naughty stuff that I couldn't afford to pay for

 

Before this I've never done any social media or modding and ever since that first upload of my Sims pics, I've kinda been tumbling down the rabbit hole so to speak!

[Guest Redabyss]

It's not that simple AzureChan.

Working in Blender and producing something worth it is more akin to a job.

You have to create the pose, animating the pose (which means moving the right bones at the right time and with the right speed). Then you have to check for errors, which could be plenty and could potentially negate the whole thing you created. It could be one minuscole thing. It's not really an hobby if you want to do it decently.

If you also miss one potential key aspect of an hobby -- sharing, in this case vocal support -- why wasting hours and hours of work and outright pain?

Anyway, this whole discussion not the point of this thread.

[R-Lo]

It is and it isn't at the same time, users attitudes here reflect on the treatment in a way and can hinder and obstruct the way things are shared,

it wasn't long ago that Mike24 commented on a lack of update due to a low level of feedback, and that's coming from a well accomplished animator, well established in multiple games who is already in no doubt well received,

 

I understand that some authors operate on different tiers and I agree that climaxes being held back indefinitely behind a gold access can give a greedy vibe and spoil the fun but that's not the case when it comes to early access when things are publicly available based more on the order of which they are created