AMD RYZEN

[sigiel]

hi,

 

just a quick question, anyone has the new rizen cpu & and windows 7 combo?

 

how does it fly regarding skyrim? 

 

I'm going to upgrade my rig and i'm looking at the ryzen 5 1600 x

 

I have an old I7 950 and a geforce 970 gtx. coupled with a 660 gtx for physics only.

 

gonna keep those too.

 

and add also a M2 PCi express SSD.

 

anyway I'm realy interested in knowing if having 6 real core is better that 4 ? 

 

(Ryzen Core are lower perf that I7 core but there is more core.) does fallout 4 work better too ? 

 

 

 

[Slorm]

I think you'll find that Microsoft has blocked win 7 on the Kaby Lake and Ryzen cpu's to force people onto win 10. Try googling "will win7 run on ryzen" for more info

[27X]

Upgrading for one game is dumb as hell.

 

1. Yes Ryzen provides benefits with Skyrim and Fallout 4, as it is one a very few set of games that will actually use 6 cores.

 

2. The better framerates you'll be getting is from using an SSD, not the CPU.

 

3. PhysX using a 660 is pointless, and has been since dx12 became the norm. Furthermore using physx on a card four gens older than your rendering card is actually a bottleneck.

 

4. Gamebryo's efficiency issues mean that your largest bottleneck is memory speed, and then transfer speed, not CPU or GPU, there are literally years of data on this.

I think you'll find that Microsoft has blocked win 7 on the Kaby Lake and Ryzen cpu's to force people onto win 10. Try googling "will win7 run on ryzen" for more info

 

Untrue. They simply won't support it with driver/firmware level upgrades, nothing is "blocked".

[Slorm]

Untrue. They simply won't support it with driver/firmware level upgrades, nothing is "blocked".

 

See here, it refers to gen 6 chips but applied to gen 7 as well by the looks of it  http://www.infoworld.com/article/3193004/microsoft-windows/windows-7-update-lockout-claims-older-intel-amd-processors.html

 

Basically it appears that MS are blocking all win 7 updates though as you say you could still get win7 to run up to to that patch point. Sorry, I should have phrased that a bit more clearly in my post.

 

[bjornk]

Basically it appears that MS are blocking all win 7 updates

Well, I actually block them myself.

[fernandojdb]

since skyrim and fallout 4 use similar game engine, and there are fallout 4 ryzen benchmarks out there, i will say it performs poorly on ryzen unless you setup your ram speed close to 3000-3200mhz.

And when i say poorly i mean poorly compared to other alternatives.

[Rayblue]

Either I'd wait a few months more until the Ryzen/BIOS motherboard kinks are ironed out, or go over the fence and get an i5 Kaby or Haswell.

 

The bitch with most games including Skyrim is that they're very dependent on the processor more than the GPU, and in most cases and to be honest, Intel often rules the single-core performance charts.

[27X]

since skyrim and fallout 4 use similar game engine, and there are fallout 4 ryzen benchmarks out there, i will say it performs poorly on ryzen unless you setup your ram speed close to 3000-3200mhz.

And when i say poorly i mean poorly compared to other alternatives.

 

Fallout performs poorly at all, and memory speed is the largest bottleneck on ANY platform, not just Ryzen.

[fernandojdb]

 

since skyrim and fallout 4 use similar game engine, and there are fallout 4 ryzen benchmarks out there, i will say it performs poorly on ryzen unless you setup your ram speed close to 3000-3200mhz.

And when i say poorly i mean poorly compared to other alternatives.

 

Fallout performs poorly at all, and memory speed is the largest bottleneck on ANY platform, not just Ryzen.

 

 

you are right, but, usually better memory speed increases performance when 1 core of the cpu bottlenecks the system, and that happen more often with ryzen than intel, when we talking about games.

 

technically memory speed settings modify the speed at which the cores communicate between them with Ryzen, so its more about the settings than the memory speed or memory bottleneck itself.

Don't know how intels cores communicate internally but seem they benefit significantly from higher memory speed also, don't know if because of bandwidth or because they work the same way as ryzen.

[ariantes]

Well, depends also on what Ryzen CPU you are planing to buy. The 7700k beats the Ryzen 7 lineup in games, IF you are using a GTX 1070 or better . Before that, you are GPU limited anyway. The Ryzen 5 1600/1600x are similar to the Kaby Lake i5 K's in gaming performance, with some games having better results on one or the other cpu line. Ryzen 5's offer much better productivity performance tho than the i5's.

Ryzen scales a bit better than Kaby Lake with RAM speeds, but not by much, and it depends alot on the game as well. And that only matters if you are not GPU limited anyway. 

 

Let me reiterate on the GPU limitation again. If you are playing at 1440p or 4k resolutions, you are GPU limited, independ of which CPU you use, ie. the CPU will have only a minor if any influence on FPS. The comparision I did above only applies to 1080p and lower resolutions. 

 

@fernandojdb is right. Memory speed kinda double dips for Ryzen CPU's, it's why people have started using high CL memory with high memory speed. Bascially Ryzen is two 4 core CPU's glued together. These two so called core complexes (CCX) talk to each other over a bus (called infinity fabric) that scales with memory speed (the speed of the bus is half the memory speed). In other words, the IPC between the two CCX's benefits from higher memory speeds, which reduces the influence of the cast latency of the RAM. 

[sigiel]

First I do not upgrade for just one game;

 

I'm upgading full stop, 

 

I would like to get a rizen for many different reason,

 

But if it kill the game I play most, then I will get an Core i7.

 

second. 

 

I only wanted to know if anyone had one. and what the perf was : specificaly for skyrim or fallout.

 

The rest I'm pretty set. 

 

I know the the advantage and disavantage of either Ryzen or Core I, 

It's my job (I'm Pc Techy,) unfortunaly I did not have the oportunity to have my hands one one of those Ryzen.

 

Anyway.

 

thanks you  for the answers.