Was Thinking about getting in Adult Game Development

[ZaZ]

Hey Guys,

 

So with me recovering from my surgery and am on leave.  Thought I might try my hand at my own Bondage'ish Fantasy Adult Game . I did check out a few of the game engines. 

 

Visual Novels, are the simplest.

RPG Maker is another choice

3DCG seems to be receiving a lot of flak lately, so I'm not too sure about it. 

 

Unity and Unreal would time consuming and expensive considering I would need to buy the  licenses, I have ported some animations to UE4 not too much of an issue. Can most likely do for unity too.

 

Its something i'm considering,  since I wanted to make the jump to a full time Digital Content Creator.

I would stick to what I'm good at Namely BDSM themed stuff.

 

But would like to hear your opinion on the subject.

 

Cheers

[vinfamy]

RPG Maker games tend to end up being very 'grindy' and annoying (some people just want to jerk off, not fighting 100 battles to level up ) except a few creators that do them extremely well.  It's also very hard to get rid of the 'RPGMaker' feel to the game, even if you spend all your time replacing all the tiles with your own custom assets.

 

Visual novels are a better option imho. They're nothing fancy technically, but why waste time on scripting when you can use that time to create content? As long as you have quality content, what engine you use really doesn't matter. 

 

I'm by no means trying to be an expert on anything. However, having observed the Patreon adult gaming scene with great interest, I think most indie adult game makers on Patreon who struggle to get their game off the ground do so for a few common reasons:

- Their original artwork and story is not good enough or too generic (I keep seeing the same daz 3d model being very slightly modified and thrown into a generic RPG Maker game) - having seen some of your blog posts, I think the quality of your 3d art is excellent

- They don't really have an existing audience, there is no 'search engine optimization' on Patreon, the most successful adult game makers on Patreon (ie Fenoxo) tend to have a big following before they even start on Patreon - I think your reputation with ZAP will help a lot in this regard.

- They give up/ can't motivate themselves to make enough progress on their game to convince their patrons that a completed version of the game is in sight. Why would anyone pay $10 a month to get like 5 minutes of gameplay? 

Because of these reasons, despite the huge number of creators, it is more the case of quantity rather than quality. There is still a massive gap for a quality game I think. While I'm not particularly into BDSM myself, I can't recall any clear 'market leader' in BDSM adult game on Patreon yet (the most well-funded creators so fartend to cater to the furry fandom) - so massive opportunity there as BDSM is a common fetish. 

 

In any case, all the best with this.

[Smut Goblin]

You should not write off those two engines. I don't think you need to buy anything for Unreal, they just want a low percentage of revenue if you manage to make more than $3k a quarter (or something like that). Similar with Unity, the free version can get you far, at least far enough to have a presentable product for funding

[Hæretic]

If you want to make a real standalone game Unreal or Unity are the obvious choices. Of course, your are right about that it needs a lot more work to get anything up and running with those engines if you compare it to "GameCreator Kits" like RPG Maker. But still, to make something really unique you have to use a real game engine there is no way around that. 

 

I don't know if anything has changed since but from what I know both Unity and Unreal can be used without buying a license. IIRC Unreal wants some percentage of your income when you use their free license and Unity requires you to buy a License if your income is higher than a certain number (at which point buying a license shouldn't be a problem).

I worked with Unity quite a bit some time ago and I know a bit about how Unreal works. From my point of view, Unity is a bit easier to get into but that's very subjective.

 

I thought about this myself with the same background of making a BDSM themed adult game. I think this would be achievable with Unity but depending on the scale it would be a lot of work, probably more than one person can handle. The first big issue would be to create a solid body and get it into the game. It would need stuff like morphs and physics enabled body parts which are absolutely possible with unity but getting this right is quite a task.

Then there is the whole programming part which shouldn't be underestimated. Sure there isn't that much gameplay that needs to be created for a game which would probably focus a lot on scripted scenes but in the end its always more work than expected ^^

 

If you decide to give this a serious shot and need someone send me a message.

 

 

 

[Bobster6]

Although there are so many Adult projects on the go now, there is always room for more if they are well done. It my not be my thing but I like that you want to stay focused on one thing, BDSM. So many projects now on Patreon ask the supporters what they want and then try to accommodate everyone. So you get projects that are delayed (and maybe never finished) because they try to add every fetish imaginable.

 

I have avoided playing RPG Maker games until I started Road Trip last night. My concerns were verified in that I think it is a horrible platform, so my vote would be use anything other than RPG Maker.

[ZaZ]

RPG Maker games tend to end up being very 'grindy' and annoying (some people just want to jerk off, not fighting 100 battles to level up ) except a few creators that do them extremely well.  It's also very hard to get rid of the 'RPGMaker' feel to the game, even if you spend all your time replacing all the tiles with your own custom assets.

 

Visual novels are a better option imho. They're nothing fancy technically, but why waste time on scripting when you can use that time to create content? As long as you have quality content, what engine you use really doesn't matter. 

 

I'm by no means trying to be an expert on anything. However, having observed the Patreon adult gaming scene with great interest, I think most indie adult game makers on Patreon who struggle to get their game off the ground do so for a few common reasons:

- Their original artwork and story is not good enough or too generic (I keep seeing the same daz 3d model being very slightly modified and thrown into a generic RPG Maker game) - having seen some of your blog posts, I think the quality of your 3d art is excellent

- They don't really have an existing audience, there is no 'search engine optimization' on Patreon, the most successful adult game makers on Patreon (ie Fenoxo) tend to have a big following before they even start on Patreon - I think your reputation with ZAP will help a lot in this regard.

- They give up/ can't motivate themselves to make enough progress on their game to convince their patrons that a completed version of the game is in sight. Why would anyone pay $10 a month to get like 5 minutes of gameplay? 

Because of these reasons, despite the huge number of creators, it is more the case of quantity rather than quality. There is still a massive gap for a quality game I think. While I'm not particularly into BDSM myself, I can't recall any clear 'market leader' in BDSM adult game on Patreon yet (the most well-funded creators so fartend to cater to the furry fandom) - so massive opportunity there as BDSM is a common fetish. 

 

In any case, all the best with this.

 

Thank you for sharing all these points, good to know you follow the adult indie game scene

I can certainly see the draw backs of using RPG Maker...... Will keep Visual Novel in mind too as a back up. I believe I can do better than still images in that respect.

Yea furry does good on Patreon which awesome, But Ill stick to Monsters / Demons / Orcs / Minotaur  and stuff 

 

Well it doesn't have to be a pure bdsm game...... it can be a 3d simulator'ish game kinda too, Like  Prison Overhaul or Mines Of Tamriel where the devs have more control with the scenes and stuff.

The options are endless in this regard and I want to put some of talents I learned here at LL to good use and make something That I enjoy and others enjoy too. To be honest I have more fun creating stuff than actually playing the game :/.

I have a upped myself a little on the modelling/texturing side , Have purchased some of my own texture assets which I can use. 

 

Will keep posting on this thread. About the decisions and progress.

 

Cheers and thank you

 

 

You should not write off those two engines. I don't think you need to buy anything for Unreal, they just want a low percentage of revenue if you manage to make more than $3k a quarter (or something like that). Similar with Unity, the free version can get you far, at least far enough to have a presentable product for funding

 

Indeed, its not off the table. The licensing would be for characters mostly and some other complex stuff I cant model . The Indie licenses are cheaper from certain websites. Yes , the devs should have a playable demo like in all cases.

 

If you want to make a real standalone game Unreal or Unity are the obvious choices. Of course, your are right about that it needs a lot more work to get anything up and running with those engines if you compare it to "GameCreator Kits" like RPG Maker. But still, to make something really unique you have to use a real game engine there is no way around that. 

 

I don't know if anything has changed since but from what I know both Unity and Unreal can be used without buying a license. IIRC Unreal wants some percentage of your income when you use their free license and Unity requires you to buy a License if your income is higher than a certain number (at which point buying a license shouldn't be a problem).

I worked with Unity quite a bit some time ago and I know a bit about how Unreal works. From my point of view, Unity is a bit easier to get into but that's very subjective.

 

I thought about this myself with the same background of making a BDSM themed adult game. I think this would be achievable with Unity but depending on the scale it would be a lot of work, probably more than one person can handle. The first big issue would be to create a solid body and get it into the game. It would need stuff like morphs and physics enabled body parts which are absolutely possible with unity but getting this right is quite a task.

Then there is the whole programming part which shouldn't be underestimated. Sure there isn't that much gameplay that needs to be created for a game which would probably focus a lot on scripted scenes but in the end its always more work than expected ^^

 

If you decide to give this a serious shot and need someone send me a message.

 

Thanks for the explanations Hæretic. 

Right now I'm serious, the fear of failing kept me from progressing further. I wanted to get into it as early as 2013 even last year  but........ it was too risky. Been honing my skills in places I lacked severly and have gotten better not by too much but decent enough . Will get back to you on this tonight.

Cheers

[ZaZ]

Although there are so many Adult projects on the go now, there is always room for more if they are well done. It my not be my thing but I like that you want to stay focused on one thing, BDSM. So many projects now on Patreon ask the supporters what they want and then try to accommodate everyone. So you get projects that are delayed (and maybe never finished) because they try to add every fetish imaginable.

 

I have avoided playing RPG Maker games until I started Road Trip last night. My concerns were verified in that I think it is a horrible platform, so my vote would be use anything other than RPG Maker.

 

About the RPG maker...... yeah its probably the last option. 3d will be a long an arduous road, but then again so was ZAP which xaz and I worked on.

 

Accommodating everyone and all kinds of kink is tough. The bdsm theme is also quite huge with numerous fetishes with it. The supporter vote basically is to increase the $$. And they aren't able to keep up. 

Why i'm sticking to bdsm is because I like the theme and there no chance I would lose interest in it. If it does get monotonous I can switch between the numerous subcategories like genders, light stuff, extreme stuff etc. 

 

Cheers

[brutality]

Maybe start out organizing your ideas with something like Twine that is easy to work with until you decide on which direction you 

want to go with as far as a game engine is concerned. With your abilities I'm sure you'd knock it out of the park, good luck in whatever

you decide.

[ZaZ]

Maybe start out organizing your ideas with something like Twine that is easy to work with until you decide on which direction you 

want to go with as far as a game engine is concerned. With your abilities I'm sure you'd knock it out of the park, good luck in whatever

you decide.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence , I hope I live up to that  

Something small is a good way to start indeed, once on track we can a little ambitious.

 

Cheers

[Michele]

I've worked quite a bit with Unity.  It's definitely something where one person can make a quality 3-D game, at least if you're comfortable programming. Though you will spend a lot of time modeling if you are over-ambitious storywise.   A dungeon is one thing, an apartment overlooking a city another...

 

Unity itself is not a modeling program... I use Blender for modeling and animation, but Unity will probably import from your favorite program.

[ZaZ]

I've worked quite a bit with Unity.  It's definitely something where one person can make a quality 3-D game, at least if you're comfortable programming. Though you will spend a lot of time modeling if you are over-ambitious storywise.   A dungeon is one thing, an apartment overlooking a city another...

 

Unity itself is not a modeling program... I use Blender for modeling and animation, but Unity will probably import from your favorite program.

 

I use blender and prefer it, though I can use others. I don't mind modelling simple assets, will set the ambition simple for starters. Unity seems to be the way to go. Lets see how it plays out.

 

Cheers and thank you

[myuhinny]

RPG Maker - Ren'Py some of them might be a bit grindy but anyone can easily edit most of the save files for them if they need to if they want to make it a bit easier like stats and gold and maybe some other things depending on how the save file is set up otherwise some of them will take forever to get anywhere on.

[ZaZ]

RPG Maker - Ren'Py some of them might be a bit grindy but anyone can easily edit most of the save files for them if they need to if they want to make it a bit easier like stats and gold and maybe some other things depending on how the save file is set up otherwise some of them will take forever to get anywhere on.

 

Hmmm, never knew that .....  Thanks.  I should check that out when I play these games

 

As of now I'm thinking 3D is the way to go, Its certainly tougher and time consuming but its what Im experienced in and what got me into the modding.

an rpg maker game with Semi 3d sprites and characters may also work. Since everyone seems to loathe 3d stuff.

 

Cheers

[alucrad90]

I think it's not wise to waste what you have made just for taking some screenshots and making 2D style RPG and VN

 

U3D is free and you can buy a visual novel resource for it

[ZaZ]

I think it's not wise to waste what you have made just for taking some screenshots and making 2D style RPG and VN

 

U3D is free and you can buy a visual novel resource for it

 

Yea not too sure about a VN and RPG, too many of them with the 3d style also the VN may get boring too.

But my writing ain't that good lol.

Cheers

[xboronx]

I suggest you try Kerny's game:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/58930-unity-3d-3d-adventureabandoned-a-tale-of-forgotten-lives-v-035/

 

It's a really good game and he did it alone.

 

Also very fun is Slavelord from Pink Tea, albeit much simpler and only with drawings:

https://www.patreon.com/pinktea

 

But it has some really nice ideas imho.

 

 

I am looking forward to you making a bdsm themed game, since i love that stuff and the market is still quite lacking.

Illusion and Kiss have often some bondage in their games, but it is only a part and not the main focus.

 

Don't forget some light gameplay too if possible. There are quite a few good japanese games, unfortunately they are not translated usually, so playing them is a hassle if you can't read japanese like myself. One of the best mechanics wise is imho the venus blood series: They are like a hentai heroes of might&magic

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=917386

[ZaZ]

I suggest you try Kerny's game:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/58930-unity-3d-3d-adventureabandoned-a-tale-of-forgotten-lives-v-035/

 

It's a really good game and he did it alone.

 

Also very fun is Slavelord from Pink Tea, albeit much simpler and only with drawings:

https://www.patreon.com/pinktea

 

But it has some really nice ideas imho.

 

 

I am looking forward to you making a bdsm themed game, since i love that stuff and the market is still quite lacking.

Illusion and Kiss have often some bondage in their games, but it is only a part and not the main focus.

 

Don't forget some light gameplay too if possible. There are quite a few good japanese games, unfortunately they are not translated usually, so playing them is a hassle if you can't read japanese like myself. One of the best mechanics wise is imho the venus blood series: They are like a hentai heroes of might&magic

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=917386

 

Thanks for the comment and those links, feedback like this is really appreciated....... Though I did run across both of those before. 

The direction I'm Gunning for is definitely 3D and probably somewhere along the lines of in the the second link you posted probably   and not just images .  Will look into the mechanics for that particular hentai game.

Bdsm will certainly be the core I want to build around that wont change regardless.

 

Some images for you

 

Cheers and thanks xboronx

[xboronx]

 

I suggest you try Kerny's game:

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/58930-unity-3d-3d-adventureabandoned-a-tale-of-forgotten-lives-v-035/

 

It's a really good game and he did it alone.

 

Also very fun is Slavelord from Pink Tea, albeit much simpler and only with drawings:

https://www.patreon.com/pinktea

 

But it has some really nice ideas imho.

 

 

I am looking forward to you making a bdsm themed game, since i love that stuff and the market is still quite lacking.

Illusion and Kiss have often some bondage in their games, but it is only a part and not the main focus.

 

Don't forget some light gameplay too if possible. There are quite a few good japanese games, unfortunately they are not translated usually, so playing them is a hassle if you can't read japanese like myself. One of the best mechanics wise is imho the venus blood series: They are like a hentai heroes of might&magic

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=917386

 

Thanks for the comment and those links, feedback like this is really appreciated....... Though I did run across both of those before. 

The direction I'm Gunning for is definitely 3D and probably somewhere along the lines of in the the second link you posted probably   and not just images .  Will look into the mechanics for that particular hentai game.

Bdsm will certainly be the core I want to build around that wont change regardless.

 

Some images for you

Concepts.jpgLatex Lezdom - i.jpg

 

Cheers and thanks xboronx

 

 

Your images are awesome.

 

Two more games for inspiration:

http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=29151

 

It has some basic translation, at least enough to be able to play the game. Graphics are very bad 3d, but the idea is good.

 

And i already briefly mentioned Kiss before, imho overall they currently have the best game on the market with Custom Maid 3d 2.

 

http://www.kisskiss.tv/cm3d2/

 

It's also a brothel management game, but the girls have lots of stats and can be trained in different ways. It has decent bondage content as well.

Only problem is that it gets tedious after a while.

 

I think a similiar concept could work very well for your game too, Kiss has released numerous addons for CM3d 2 already, always adding new clothes/poses/girl behaviour types.

So don't get overambitious and build a game which you can easily expand later if you want to, and once it bores you you can start a developing a new game.

 

If possible without too much hassle you should make the characters customiseable, so that everybody can choose his favorite combo, like all female, all male, futanari or any mix of characters.

[coldheartzero]

Adult gaming is the way to go!

 

First step, open a patreon.

 

Next step, advertise it everywhere.

 

Next, milk it for all it's worth. Be really slow on updates, basic quality of life fixes take weeks, content going to patreons first and still not fixing basic bugs.

 

Did I mention milking it yet?

 

Don't forget to pull down 10k a month and still only put out one or 2 updates and STILL not fix basic bugs.

[ZaZ]

Adult gaming is the way to go!

First step, open a patreon.

Next step, advertise it everywhere.

Next, milk it for all it's worth. Be really slow on updates, basic quality of life fixes take weeks, content going to patreons first and still not fixing basic bugs.

Did I mention milking it yet?

Don't forget to pull down 10k a month and still only put out one or 2 updates and STILL not fix basic bugs.

 

, Did you just join loverslab to post that ? 

I get where your coming from though............ and its valid feedback none the less. 

 

Cheers

[myuhinny]

There is a site called http://www.saveeditonline.com/ where you just go to the site and drag and drop the save file onto the page and wait for it to load it up. I use this site a lot to alter some saves when needed. Alter the save file and then save it to get your new save file. Overwrite the old one and then load the newly altered one to make the new values to load up. It looks like they keep adding new save file types that you can alter there.  So far you can alter .save editor (Ren'Py games) rpgsave editor (RPG Maker MV games) rvdata2 editor (RPG Maker VX Ace games) just added since my last post .sav editor (Quest Soft Player) and password remover. Cheat engine works with most unity games.

[ZaZ]

There is a site called http://www.saveeditonline.com/ where you just go to the site and drag and drop the save file onto the page and wait for it to load it up. I use this site a lot to alter some saves when needed. Alter the save file and then save it to get your new save file. Overwrite the old one and then load the newly altered one to make the new values to load up. It looks like they keep adding new save file types that you can alter there.  So far you can alter .save editor (Ren'Py games) rpgsave editor (RPG Maker MV games) rvdata2 editor (RPG Maker VX Ace games) just added since my last post .sav editor (Quest Soft Player) and password remover. Cheat engine works with most unity games.

 

Thanks for the info I didn't know about this edity thing..... There were some of the games I wanted to play in the RPG maker category, this should help   . Thanks

 

Just wanted to say though not going to use the RPG maker engine. We will be going the Unity route for certain and it will be 3D. Will stick to what we are good at .

 

Cheers

[Mega]

You dont need licence for Unity\UE4. Both a free to use as long as you product generate less than certain amount of monthly income. (It was 90k dollars for Unreal engine if I recall)

[myuhinny]

Almost forgot editing most save files will work unless the dev has rigged their game to make sure your character fails this is usually done on molestation games as they want to make sure your character gets molested by every Tom Dick and fat ass ugly loser in the game. Never happens with me though because as soon as I see that it's another molestation game it gets thrown into the trash where it belongs. Basically any game with a female protagonist - female name in title - adventure in title - life in title is a molestation game because evidently no one knows how to make anything other then that when using a female lead character in a game. 

 

Cool looking forward to see what you make unless it's a molestation then I'll have to pass.

[ZaZ]

You dont need licence for Unity\UE4. Both a free to use as long as you product generate less than certain amount of monthly income. (It was 90k dollars for Unreal engine if I recall)

 

Yep  thats the plan, But  we may buy licenses for some custom characters we would want to edit and use to suit our needs.

 

Almost forgot editing most save files will work unless the dev has rigged their game to make sure your character fails this is usually done on molestation games as they want to make sure your character gets molested by every Tom Dick and fat ass ugly loser in the game. Never happens with me though because as soon as I see that it's another molestation game it gets thrown into the trash where it belongs. Basically any game with a female protagonist - female name in title - adventure in title - life in title is a molestation game because evidently no one knows how to make anything other then that when using a female lead character in a game. 

 

Cool looking forward to see what you make unless it's a molestation then I'll have to pass.

 

lol wow seriously ?, thanks for the warning.

You don't need to worry.... it wont be a "molestation type game"  we are far away from the rpg maker type games for now, but might borrow some good interesting concepts.

Cheers