Bloodfang Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 Hello everyone, I know I'm not a PC expert, but I do enjoy playing on PC. I wanted to do a new FO4 playthrough, this time with some of my custom mods along with new ones (I have 77 in total, so it's not that much). However, even with reasonnable textures sizes (2k for environment and 4K for most outfits/weapons) I don't have decent FPS when playing outdoors. Indoors it's totally ok, between 50-60 fps. My worst issues are with the center of Boston (mainly the Common) where I had big issues : 5-10 FPS !!. I reduced the shadow distance on the .ini, then downloaded ShadowBoost, it helped a lot, I got 25-30 FPS now in this place. Still, I want more. When I see videos of people with tons of mods, tons of graphic mods and still running at 50-60 FPS... It just makes me mad lol. So here I am, posting on Loverslab again, hoping that some of you could give me some advice. Processor : AMD Phenom II X4 840 ProcessorSpeed : 3.2 GHzNumber of Cores : 4RAM : 8.0 GBVideo Card : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970Total Memory : 4.0 GBOperating System : Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition Service Pack 1, 64-bit In my opinion, Fallout 4 has just a terrible old engine and optimization. I can run games that look far better and yet Fallout 4 has lower FPS. In order to really improve my FPS and get around 50-60, I believe I should change the processor. But to be honest I just don't know. I've read some topics and saw people suggesting this : http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Composants/Processeur/Processeur-INTEL/INTEL/4943155-Core-i7-6700K-4-0-Ghz.htm Thanks in advance for your help guys !
War Eternal Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 So to be clear, if u want "tons of mods" for super kawaii graphic, you should upgrade to an i5 or i7, also ram up to 16gb.And of course other games running better, but here we go, different codes, engines etc.Atm you could do some work around with the nvidia control panel, game .ini's closing some background stuff while playing etc.
Guest Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 pretty much mainly Graphics Card or CPU are neck to neck as 1st place; 3rd place is ram but make sure your cpu can support DDR4 before you get it. bad news- if you want "super kawaii graphics" youre basically going to have to get a new machine, See you got an AMD cpu so that means you have an AMD based motherboard. If you want to pop in a i5/i7 youll need an intel based mobo. and if you want to upgrade to a 1080 you might have to upgrade your power supply unit too
War Eternal Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 nope that old x4 only supports ddr2 and drr3. so if ddr4, new cpu and board.
skeletor Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 Even if he just wants to upgrade the CPU. He has a phenom II, which means he cant really get a better cpu than what he already has. They dont make new CPU's for that motherboard type. Most CPU's that he could get on his motherboard are probably refurbished brands. I have a phenom too and its at 2.8GHz. I get about the same frame-rate in Boston as him. I suggest to wait when ddr4 RAM motherboards and CPU's get cheaper. Start saving now little by little and buy a brand new motherboard, RAM, and CPU. Then later get at least 6GB Graphics Card. If you're gonna use HD texture mods on Fallout. By that time there would be better mods, and hopefully F4SE comes out with more features by then. Pretty much all mods for fallout 4 now, are just basic stuff. And more or less the same thing.
morgananinuala Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 BethINI can allow you to customize your settings further, allow you to disable shadows entirely, reduce particle effects, etc. Also, disable grass. No grass and no shadows, should boost your FPS a bunch.
nIn nIn nIn Posted January 8, 2017 Posted January 8, 2017 I'm speccing an upgrade for one of my kids computers right now. AU$550 gets the following in Australia, it'll be cheaper in the US or Europe. Intel i5-7400 Good Gigabyte mini atx board H150 chipset 16GB ddr4 @2400mhz Your GTX970 is still a good card. I have a GTX780 Ti in my rig and get a solid 60 fps (locked) everywhere in Fallout 4.
Bloodfang Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 I'm speccing an upgrade for one of my kids computers right now. AU$550 gets the following in Australia, it'll be cheaper in the US or Europe. Intel i5-7400 Good Gigabyte mini atx board H150 chipset 16GB ddr4 @2400mhz Your GTX970 is still a good card. I have a GTX780 Ti in my rig and get a solid 60 fps (locked) everywhere in Fallout 4. wow indeed it seems much cheaper than EU !Thanks for the tips, I'll see what I can do, been saving up for a while and I really want to play Fallout again with solid FPS pretty much mainly Graphics Card or CPU are neck to neck as 1st place; 3rd place is ram but make sure your cpu can support DDR4 before you get it. bad news- if you want "super kawaii graphics" youre basically going to have to get a new machine, See you got an AMD cpu so that means you have an AMD based motherboard. If you want to pop in a i5/i7 youll need an intel based mobo. and if you want to upgrade to a 1080 you might have to upgrade your power supply unit too Well I'm just fine with a simple ENB and what I have now, but the computer is struggling in outdoors cells so I got tired and I'd like to change this.
Guest Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Well I'm just fine with a simple ENB and what I have now, but the computer is struggling in outdoors cells so I got tired and I'd like to change this. you could always tweak settings. grass has a huge impact on the vram. you could also get the optimized textures mod from nexus and the remove clutter one too
Bruce Banner Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 I'd suggest using 2k texture options for the clothes / weapons as if theyre done pretty well you'll hardly notice any difference between them anyway . I never use the 4k option for clothes / weapons even with a 980 . I just find it a needless waste of VRAM / resources that can be used on HBAO+ instead . HBAO+ with 2k textures will look better than no ambient occlusion with 4k textures because it adds a kinda depth / 3d ness to the graphics . Virtually everyone says that you can expect lower frame rates in the middle of boston too because its buggy like that . Also remember that FPS isnt a competition . And by that I mean a lot of PC gamers are obsessed with having huge FPS , more than they actually need , when actually all you need is for it to be running smooth enough not to find it distracting while youre playing . So if youre stuttering and its a bit annoying just lower your textures to 2k , turn stuff like god rays to low and get it to a level where it doesnt ' judder ' most of the time ( there'll always be judder in the occasional place in ope world games because there'll always be some buggier places than others ) and dont go watching your FPS all the time and concentrate and enjoy your game . Dont worry about benchmarks and FPS and all that stuff because when all that crap gets posted on the internet its all about bragging rights . Im not condemning any individual here or anywhere else for doing that by the way , its just an inherent culture amongst pc gamers thats all .
Bloodfang Posted January 9, 2017 Author Posted January 9, 2017 I'd suggest using 2k texture options for the clothes / weapons as if theyre done pretty well you'll hardly notice any difference between them anyway . I never use the 4k option for clothes / weapons even with a 980 . I just find it a needless waste of VRAM / resources that can be used on HBAO+ instead . HBAO+ with 2k textures will look better than no ambient occlusion with 4k textures because it adds a kinda depth / 3d ness to the graphics . Virtually everyone says that you can expect lower frame rates in the middle of boston too because its buggy like that . Also remember that FPS isnt a competition . And by that I mean a lot of PC gamers are obsessed with having huge FPS , more than they actually need , when actually all you need is for it to be running smooth enough not to find it distracting while youre playing . So if youre stuttering and its a bit annoying just lower your textures to 2k , turn stuff like god rays to low and get it to a level where it doesnt ' judder ' most of the time ( there'll always be judder in the occasional place in ope world games because there'll always be some buggier places than others ) and dont go watching your FPS all the time and concentrate and enjoy your game . Dont worry about benchmarks and FPS and all that stuff because when all that crap gets posted on the internet its all about bragging rights . Im not condemning any individual here or anywhere else for doing that by the way , its just an inherent culture amongst pc gamers thats all .I totally understand what you mean, in my case it's more because I want the game to look good and have decent fps without lowering some settings because it will just make the game look awful (shadowboost has to lower the shadow distance to 2000 in order to only get 25-30 fps in the Common).Overall I usually buy games that don't require a yearly upgrade but I think I'll need to improve some stuff now if I want to play FO4 smoothly.
Bruce Banner Posted January 9, 2017 Posted January 9, 2017 Yeah , I understand and I dont blame you . With a bit of selective prioritised modding though you CAN get a good looking game AND decent performance . The new weapon debris setting for example is just a bit of fluff but when used can be a frame killer . This is worth a read ( http://www.geforce.co.uk/whats-new/guides/fallout-4-graphics-performance-and-tweaking-guide ) to see where you can make compromises without spoiling the look of your game . In your shoes though I'd only shell out for a new processor if the tweaks didnt work because its a lot of money to shell out with no guarantees of the amount of performance increase youll get . Youll defintiely get better performance thats assured , but how much ? Hard to say really . The only reason I got a new computer was because my previous one was 32bit and most games now require a 64bit computer and so my hand was pretty much forced . I suppose it depends on how well you can afford it though too really . If you have a good living and can afford that without too much of a stretch then by all means go ahead and enjoy yourself and get the card . It all depends on you really and how you feel . The processor you want is a good one by the way .
Lendova Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 FO4 CPU benchmark http://pclab.pl/art66856-16.html
Bloodfang Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 FO4 CPU benchmark http://pclab.pl/art66856-16.html Interesting, thanks a lot
gallahorn Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 You need a new cpu so thats a new motherboard and ram too.
Tortex Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 CPU is "acceptable." You need more ram. 16gb or more if your motherboard supports it. Cap it. Get another 970 for SLI, or ditch the 970 and get a 1080. It will max F4 out. No point changing MB+Ram+CPU+GPU when Ram+GPU will fix your problems.
Gameplayer Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 I gotta say that your sorely lacking in the memory department especially if your looking to take advantage of the ENB's capacity to make use of additional RAM. But for the most part, it'd be easier on the wallet if you got another Graphics Card but only if that card panned out in SLI which is well not always going to happen for a lot of games. So you might be back at square one again but with RAM you don't need/cant sell and a couple of graphics cards that are ok for now but dated. Shoot getting another 2nd card can then lead too issues of well you may have to put in a different PSU, and then the additional card causes more heat build up now we're looking at how to solve that.
gallahorn Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 That cpu will most likely bottleneck a better gfx card. Get a new cpu.
Bloodfang Posted January 17, 2017 Author Posted January 17, 2017 Not sure about the graphic card to be honest, I've read people having simply more RAM and a better CPU yet worse graphic card and they manage to get 50-60fps.
War Eternal Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 Not sure about the graphic card to be honest, I've read people having simply more RAM and a better CPU yet worse graphic card and they manage to get 50-60fps. yes/no, it rly depends on the game/engine.. And with your gpu, upgrade cpu/ram first, keep the 970 and upgrade the gpu later to an amd rx or gtx 1060/1070.
Bloodfang Posted January 17, 2017 Author Posted January 17, 2017 Not sure about the graphic card to be honest, I've read people having simply more RAM and a better CPU yet worse graphic card and they manage to get 50-60fps. yes/no, it rly depends on the game/engine.. And with your gpu, upgrade cpu/ram first, keep the 970 and upgrade the gpu later to an amd rx or gtx 1060/1070. Aye I think it's the best to do right now ^^
Vader666 Posted January 17, 2017 Posted January 17, 2017 Not sure about the graphic card to be honest, I've read people having simply more RAM and a better CPU yet worse graphic card and they manage to get 50-60fps. The 970 is perfectly fine. Im running F4 with ENB and some texture stuff at 60fps. But i have 16GB Ram and an i7-4790k.
Bloodfang Posted January 18, 2017 Author Posted January 18, 2017 Not sure about the graphic card to be honest, I've read people having simply more RAM and a better CPU yet worse graphic card and they manage to get 50-60fps. The 970 is perfectly fine. Im running F4 with ENB and some texture stuff at 60fps. But i have 16GB Ram and an i7-4790k. Thanks, nice to know. Not planning on adding tons of graphic enhancements either, I'm fine with a few upgrades. But yea, I think my CPU needs to go. XD
mgrandy Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 i would go into this in great detail but if your not a PC whiz or that then its kinda pointless. AMD does not have hyper threads AMD almost always needs overclocked to even compare with fps on an intel machine do you have water cooling? your ram and card are fine although most games like say GTA5 run my card at max 3.8 gbs of ram so if yours is a 2gbs card your cutting it fine to get any better then med settings. (unless a highend card with epic amounts of cuda cores) what you want to do is stress test your system to find the cause, few programs you need are "CPU-z" A temperature monitor program of sorts like "open hardware monitor" A game with benchmark setting like GTA V(other games are available crysis3, RE4) dont use a stress test program due to decreasing the life of your parts, use a game benchmark program Now benchmark the sheet out of the game watch fps/temps/cpu power % / ram % if temps go above like lets say 90 degrees c you need cooling if cpu power = 100% overclock this badboy using your head and watching temps if its ram buy more ram(highly doubtfull) AMD are /have been good overclockers always. dont worry about it blowing up etc probs never happen increase your clock speeds by slight amounts per time until it gets unstable. right done ! now roll back 1 setting and hey presto mind to increase voltages to your cpu too. IF your PC dont start remove bios battery to wipe the settings there are other methods too(hammer) may i also ask Y would you not just buy a plug in and play intel? if your not a serious PC person intel almost always dont need overclocked to work properly. yes they cost but well meh Running myself amd A10 6800k 4.3ghz standard quad core , overclocked i hit 6.2ghz stable with windows 7 (5.3ghz windows 10) ive even pushed it to 6.3 but was real unstable and hot ;P 12 gbs ddr3 1800mhz ram H100 corsair water cooling and a 4gbs ddr 5 nivida 750 ti runs fine at 45-60 fps all day long max settings its usually the user not the PC when it comes to AMD when people are telling you to upgrade CPU/ram they are pissing in the wind literally when they have zero clue on what your issue is and nor do i Settings AMD dont like are shadows because the almost always cause 100% cpu load on an un overclocked amd with poor cooling so turn them off every game. if you had hyper threading then yes shadows are fine but you dont. This will save you vital CPU power. Dont use a big operating system like hmm windows 10. are you looking at the cool graphics on windows 10 while playing fallout4. i dont think so this also hogs your CPU power too running in the background honestly thou i could go on all day about setting up your PC properly but lets see what the cause is my money is on CPU load at 100% and if i were you next time by an intel as its almost 100% plug in and pay erm i mean play but ether is fine lol
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