Jexsam Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 All these numbers mean nothing to me. So here's what I need from y'all. Here's a list of what I've got: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 ATX AMD Motherboard SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5770 100283-3L Video Card Here's what I want to know. Are there any other components I didn't think of that might be worth upgrading? Where, given the list above, would you say my bottleneck is? What would you recommend I acquire to replace it? Assume a soft maximum of $500 total to spend on upgrades.
Guest Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 To be completely honest, you will be better off saving more to buy a prepackaged tower than upgrading this current comp. Reason: I'm not sure the new AMD CPUs (AM3+) are compatible with AM3 (probably not), so upgrading CPU means you either go for an old generation one (which is not worth the money) or replace both the mainboard and CPU together (which also yields some potential problems with the PSU). The graphic card also needs upgrading, but this also can be a problem since AMD firmware is crap. You have an old mainboard, so there might be problems with newer card (R9 3xx series) My $0.02
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 Are you serious? look let me settle this once and for all, you have athlon 4 am 2+ sub Am3 cpu model, yes your board is on the aging side of things, But your not in so bad of shape that you cannot see a big improvement over what you already have. pick up an AMD 1090T 6 core cpu and at bare minimum 4x4gb 1866 ram total of 16gb and set them up in dual channel mode now this is assuming you have a name brand Power supply and it is over 400 Watts typically speaking if you 450-500WATT you should be fine, and your O/S needs to be 64 bit, so for a decent 1090T cpu, 16GB of ram total cost of upgrade should be around $130 for the cpu used...and you could save another $50 off that if you dropped to say a 1055T cpu so about $75 with s/h for the cpu, what all of these are Phenom cores, and for the ram i would say go with Kingston Hyperx ram 16 gb 4x4gb $95.00 with that said you could put the rest into a better graphics card and a larger hard drive or a faster hard drive, if you are interested in a better graphics card i have about 20 here that i could let go between $40-$75 and are 10x's the card you currently have in your system now
Make-Use-Of-ME Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 I'd recommend following, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132513&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Motherboards+-+AMD-_-N82E16813132513&gclid=CjwKEAjw1Iq6BRDY_tK-9OjdmBESJABlzoY7fPPVXIv583KUM4uojJMaiTfRrFSRfiG-TIKKYhxi1BoCo8bw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds + an 8 core AMD CPU. and as much video card ram as needed. go for broke on those. total cost on CPU+MB? 200 roughly. ram get 16gb now and get best on whats left over for VideoCard
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 now if you are looking to upgrade your system i can also do that as well, bring it up to date if you will, I have an ASUS M5a97 r2.0 with an AMD FX8350 8 core cpu and 16gb of g.skill ddr3 1866 mhz ram 4x4gb and i can add in in a pair of XFX 285GTX video cards to run in SLI for $300 shipped thats only $75 more then upgrading your system above
Tepi Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 First you should wait a month or two until we know more about upcoming AMD/Nvidia GPUs. Both are promising rather good bang-for-buck compared to current models available. Secondly about your power supply, how old exactly it is? Power supplies do deteriorate over time, lets say roughly 5% per year (It's not quite that much and depends on the quality of the components as well. Also better have a small margin for error.) So if you got a 8y old 500w power supply, it would have left roughly 330W. (500x0.95^8) More often than not games do not require that much computing power from cpu (some do, ofc), so your best upgrade would be a new GPU. And me having had exactly that same 5770 and upgrading to 7850 which was a huge improvement on performance, I can say that even a cheap GPU would probably raise your fps a lot. Am still using said 7850 btw You could also buy a used pc/parts and you might get intel cpu + MB + decent gpu for like $300. Then buy the rest of the parts as needed.
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 lol Rapeme... i just posted that same system look my specs over and tell him what he would be saving
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 thats not entirely true there Tepi on the psu, especially if you look at the platinum, gold or bronze classifications, the total loss of power over any given PSU would range in the .005-.010 range over that given lifespan, if his system required 450-500 to power up and given his specs alone not including hdd's, disk drives, and ram his system requires a minimum of 500Watts as it is if his system was over 5 years old and was only putting out 330w his system would not power up, a PC doesn't require the maximum power to operate instead it uses the majority of the power to kick start the system them it throttles back to actual power consumption. if his system psu was as worn out as you make it sound it wouldn't even turn over to BIOS my current system is an: Intel 3770k Asus ROG Maximus Formula 7 128GB DDR3 G.skill Trident 3300mhz ATI 7990 Crossfire x3 48 TB Seagate Constelation HDDs 3tbx16 Sata 6.0gb GPU, CPU, Mosfets, and North bridge all water cooled its been running non stop since 2011 and shows no power degredation my motherboard and fans are running on a Seasonic 750 watt pro psu, and my hard drives, video cards and water cooling loop is running on an IN-WIN Commander 1200 watt psu my bad not 2001 but 2011
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 All these numbers mean nothing to me. So here's what I need from y'all. Here's a list of what I've got: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 ATX AMD Motherboard SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5770 100283-3L Video Card Here's what I want to know. Are there any other components I didn't think of that might be worth upgrading? Where, given the list above, would you say my bottleneck is? What would you recommend I acquire to replace it? Assume a soft maximum of $500 total to spend on upgrades. however to answer your ? the other components that are of great importance here is your PSU mfg. name and model number and wattage, your ram mfg. name and specs ? Ddr3 and which one of these they are 1066/1333/1600/1866* as for your biggest bottleneck that i see not including what you haven't listed but from what you have is your CPU, also of importance is what Opperating system you are using, and are your graphics drivers/motherboard drivers up to date
oticon Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 To be completely honest, you will be better off saving more to buy a prepackaged tower than upgrading this current comp. Reason: I'm not sure the new AMD CPUs (AM3+) are compatible with AM3 (probably not), so upgrading CPU means you either go for an old generation one (which is not worth the money) or replace both the mainboard and CPU together (which also yields some potential problems with the PSU). The graphic card also needs upgrading, but this also can be a problem since AMD firmware is crap. You have an old mainboard, so there might be problems with newer card (R9 3xx series) My $0.02 most prepackaged towers come with bloatware, that is a given along with this most are proprietary components so if something fails in it your stuck with purchasing from that MFG alone, which i have seen Motherboards more then triple the actual cost of the system alone upon a failure.. as for am3 and am3+ compatibility, normally it only requires a BIOS update for them to be compliant and to enable updated memory and FSB bus speeds, upgrading from his standard and he would see a huge increase by just upgrading his cpu Reasons to consider the AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Report a correction More l3 cache 6 MB vs 0 MB Compared to all cpus, 6 MB l3 cache is just OK More l2 cache 3 MB vs 2 MB 50% more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later More cores 6 vs 4 2 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 3.96 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better PassMark (Single core) score 1,113 vs 878 More than 25% better PassMark (Single core) score More l3 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0 MB/core Compared to all cpus, 1 MB/core l3 cache per core is just OK More threads 6 vs 4 2 more threads Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 8,059 vs 5,313 More than 50% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 7,730 vs 5,434 More than 40% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better overclocked clock speed (Water) 4.04 GHz vs 3.67 GHz Around 10% better overclocked clock speed (Water) GeekBench 3 (Multi-core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 7,730 Athlon II X4 640 5,434 GeekBench 3 (Single core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 1,725 Athlon II X4 640 1,559 GeekBench 3 (AES single core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 133,900 MB/s Athlon II X4 640 121,100 MB/s GeekBench (32-bit) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 7,222 Athlon II X4 640 5,198 GeekBench (64-bit) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 8,059 Athlon II X4 640 5,313 Cinebench R11.5 Phenom II X6 1055T 4.99 Athlon II X4 640 3.36 Cinebench R11.5 (Single Core) Phenom II X6 1055T 0.99 Athlon II X4 640 0.85 PassMark Data courtesy Passmark Phenom II X6 1055T 5,057 Athlon II X4 640 3,351 as for the new r9 cores and r7's you do know they are re-branded 2012 models right? other then a few minor changes they are basically the same cards
Tepi Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 thats not entirely true there Tepi on the psu, especially if you look at the platinum, gold or bronze classifications, the total loss of power over any given PSU would range in the .005-.010 range over that given lifespan, if his system required 450-500 to power up and given his specs alone not including hdd's, disk drives, and ram his system requires a minimum of 500Watts as it is if his system was over 5 years old and was only putting out 330w his system would not power up, a PC doesn't require the maximum power to operate instead it uses the majority of the power to kick start the system them it throttles back to actual power consumption. if his system psu was as worn out as you make it sound it wouldn't even turn over to BIOS my current system is an: Intel 3770k Asus ROG Maximus Formula 7 128GB DDR3 G.skill Trident 3300mhz ATI 7990 Crossfire x3 48 TB Seagate Constelation HDDs 3tbx16 Sata 6.0gb GPU, CPU, Mosfets, and North bridge all water cooled its been running non stop since 2011 and shows no power degredation my motherboard and fans are running on a Seasonic 750 watt pro psu, and my hard drives, video cards and water cooling loop is running on an IN-WIN Commander 1200 watt psu my bad not 2001 but 2011 Yes it was an extreme example, but all power supplies no matter the model do degrade. And that's because of the capacitors aging. Reason it's important for power supplies is that those have a chance to, even if minimal, damage other components. About your PSUs, what do you know? They might have degraded some but do not show any symptoms yet. If your 750W psu has only MB+CPU+fans on it, it's probably requires somewhere around 300W, even that might be too much. 7990 has what, 300-350 TDP? I doubt you are using all three at 100% at anytime. So those are probably drawing around 800W max. at any given time. Plus the rest on top of that. Anyway my point was both of your PSUs have some headroom for degeneration and probably not showing symptoms yet. Also I read somewhere that manufacturers implement more wattage on a psu just so that the amount would be at least as promised the whole warranty time. Although that might be just bullshit and someone made it up.
oticon Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 actually on startup both of my psu's peg out at maximum, then when i am into windows they throttle back out, of the 1950 watts i get when i push the button my system charges to peak then settles to 450watts after BIOS on my 750 seasonic psu and my inwin idles at around 720 the only time caps should ever swell is if you are pushing near peak load for more then 75% of your load time otherwise they will last practically forever, i have a couple Ultra psu's from the 90's that are still going strong and are showing peak on their power charts, as long as you plan for the stress you give your pc and purchase over voltage and make sure your AMPs are above what you need you will be fine, but if you purchase for what you need your gonna stress the component too soon and it will lead to failure, for my system i knew when i built it it would consume about 1400 watts total , so 550 watts over that would be a more then fair safety margin fr my system
bjornk Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 A graphics card and an SSD (and maybe more RAM, up to 16 GB)... in that order. Graphics Card: Depends on your budget and power supply. Start with NVidia 750TI and don't include the GTX970 (or AMD R9 290/390) or above.
Lendova Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 To be completely honest, you will be better off saving more to buy a prepackaged tower than upgrading this current comp. Reason: I'm not sure the new AMD CPUs (AM3+) are compatible with AM3 (probably not), so upgrading CPU means you either go for an old generation one (which is not worth the money) or replace both the mainboard and CPU together (which also yields some potential problems with the PSU). The graphic card also needs upgrading, but this also can be a problem since AMD firmware is crap. You have an old mainboard, so there might be problems with newer card (R9 3xx series) My $0.02 most prepackaged towers come with bloatware, that is a given along with this most are proprietary components so if something fails in it your stuck with purchasing from that MFG alone, which i have seen Motherboards more then triple the actual cost of the system alone upon a failure.. as for am3 and am3+ compatibility, normally it only requires a BIOS update for them to be compliant and to enable updated memory and FSB bus speeds, upgrading from his standard and he would see a huge increase by just upgrading his cpu Reasons to consider the AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Report a correction More l3 cache 6 MB vs 0 MB Compared to all cpus, 6 MB l3 cache is just OK More l2 cache 3 MB vs 2 MB 50% more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later More cores 6 vs 4 2 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 3.96 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better PassMark (Single core) score 1,113 vs 878 More than 25% better PassMark (Single core) score More l3 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0 MB/core Compared to all cpus, 1 MB/core l3 cache per core is just OK More threads 6 vs 4 2 more threads Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 8,059 vs 5,313 More than 50% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 7,730 vs 5,434 More than 40% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better overclocked clock speed (Water) 4.04 GHz vs 3.67 GHz Around 10% better overclocked clock speed (Water) GeekBench 3 (Multi-core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 7,730 Athlon II X4 640 5,434 GeekBench 3 (Single core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 1,725 Athlon II X4 640 1,559 GeekBench 3 (AES single core) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 133,900 MB/s Athlon II X4 640 121,100 MB/s GeekBench (32-bit) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 7,222 Athlon II X4 640 5,198 GeekBench (64-bit) Data courtesy Primate Labs Phenom II X6 1055T 8,059 Athlon II X4 640 5,313 Cinebench R11.5 Phenom II X6 1055T 4.99 Athlon II X4 640 3.36 Cinebench R11.5 (Single Core) Phenom II X6 1055T 0.99 Athlon II X4 640 0.85 PassMark Data courtesy Passmark Phenom II X6 1055T 5,057 Athlon II X4 640 3,351 as for the new r9 cores and r7's you do know they are re-branded 2012 models right? other then a few minor changes they are basically the same cards Investing into an AMD system is pure money wasting.
oticon Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine
Jexsam Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 Okay so general consensus seems to be motherboard/CPU first and GPU second. So that'll be my next expenditure after rent this month. Presently I'm sitting on 8 gigs RAM but apparently that needs to be doubled, and my GPU is also in dire need of an upgrade. I think I'll do those together as well, probably month after. For those curious, my PSU and RAM: CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Compatible with New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit Model TW3X4G1333C9 I have been informed that my RAM is kinda shit so dumping them entirely would probably be a good thing. Based on what I'm reading here my PSU should be okay given it's 750 watts but I could be missing some other vital stat that will hamstring it with newer hardware
oticon Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 your psu is fine , and just fyi your ram is as well, although a bump to a higher MHz would do you a world of good, say 1600-1866 but, depending if you are state side or not, if you are I'd be willing to purchase them from you if you decide to upgrade, i build a ton of DDR2 and DDR3 mini ITX cases and the lower ram values are getting to be an increasingly hard item to find these days
nutluck Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Okay so general consensus seems to be motherboard/CPU first and GPU second. So that'll be my next expenditure after rent this month. Presently I'm sitting on 8 gigs RAM but apparently that needs to be doubled, and my GPU is also in dire need of an upgrade. I think I'll do those together as well, probably month after. For those curious, my PSU and RAM: CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Compatible with New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit Model TW3X4G1333C9 I have been informed that my RAM is kinda shit so dumping them entirely would probably be a good thing. Based on what I'm reading here my PSU should be okay given it's 750 watts but I could be missing some other vital stat that will hamstring it with newer hardware I don't know where you live or what shipping is like for you. But how I upgrade my PC is wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday you will get some of your best deals then. I just put aside a little money all year for those sales and then I upgrade what I need. Basically each year I upgrade a part or two. This past year I upgrade my MB and CPU to very good ones that will last me for a number of years as I upgrade stuff. The year before i upgrade my GPU to a GTX 970, year before that I upgrade my ram to 16gig, year before that I upgraded my PSU. This coming black Friday I will likely see about upgrading my GPU to one of the new GtX 1080 or a SSD, have not decided yet. Depends on what all games will be coming out in 2017 when I get close to black Friday I will make up my mind. Anyways my point is, if you live in a place where shipping is reasonable and you can take advantage of the Black Friday sales. I would honestly keep saving your money for then. I save 80 dollars on my CPU and 60 on my MB by waiting, just something to consider.
pinky6225 Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Okay so general consensus seems to be motherboard/CPU first and GPU second. So that'll be my next expenditure after rent this month. I seem to be the odd one out then if you are gaming you are going to get the most improvement from a better GPU and while your MB (assuming i'm looking at the right thing as i had to google) is a PCIE 2 x 16 connection the last time i looked GPU's using the newer connection are backwards compatible so there isnt anything to stop you getting a better GPU now and seeing an improvement now and then seeing another improvement when you change the MB
nutluck Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 I seem to be the odd one out then if you are gaming you are going to get the most improvement from a better GPU and while your MB (assuming i'm looking at the right thing as i had to google) is a PCIE 2 x 16 connection the last time i looked GPU's using the newer connection are backwards compatible so there isnt anything to stop you getting a better GPU now and seeing an improvement now and then seeing another improvement when you change the MB On some of the newer games like the Witcher 3 etc that CPU is a issue and it is only going to get worse. That is why this past year I broke down and upgraded my CPU and MB, they had finally after 7 years fallen far enough behind to be my main bottleneck. But it depends a lot on what all games a person plays one what they need to upgrade.
pinky6225 Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Moving from an i3 to and i7 myself along with a MB upgrade i didn't notice any real difference in game for stuff like space marine, skyrim and dawn of war 2 The only 3dmark benchmarks that improved for me were to do with physics so as you say if you are playing a lot of games with lots of background calculations going on (what i assume the physics tests are trying to emulate) then i suppose i would have seen something although what those games would be i've never worked out
deathparade Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Wait Oticon why suggest 16 GB with such a budget build just get 8 GB whatever this person wants to do with a budget build like this won't need 16 ever...
Lendova Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3.
oticon Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 Wait Oticon why suggest 16 GB with such a budget build just get 8 GB whatever this person wants to do with a budget build like this won't need 16 ever... You are absolutely right there Deathparade, only in my case and the board and CPU and memory i have is all ready for shipping, the memory is a matched set and i don't break up matched ram, however keep in mind that if he were to go with my setup I'd include a set of GTX 280's for running in sli granted they are not up to today's standards but i am not selling them i am giving them to him, as for the ram it will help for background and other programs that may require it of him later on............. also i am offering the ram as an upgrade to the speeds he is currently setup with which i believe its ddr3@1333mhz x 2 sticks, here as mine are 1600 @ 4x4gb sticks so all lanes would be populated and he could run full Dual channel mode
oticon Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3. yeah that is true . however an I3 is not an upgrade it is a base model non over-clockable temporary fix that is a huge bottle neck compared to an FX-core AMD 8350 cpu running 8 cores hmm you want bench marks lets compair shall we? Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% higher clock speed More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once More l3 cache 8 MB vs 4 MB 2x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 4,161.4 Around 2.5x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.6 GHz Around 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.71 GHz More than 25% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 6,874 More than 65% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 7,453 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 6,710 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 6.61 pt/$ Around 35% better performance per dollar=======end======= now ask him just how much he is interested in benchmarks, h is still playing his games on an athlon quad core, AM2 series the above listing is in comparison to an LGA1150 i3-4340 the very best i3 available in that series now here are the specs on an LGA 1151 i3-6320 the very best in the skylake i3 series, again the fx-8350 beats it Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.51 pt/$ Around 6x better performance per dollar More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 4,390 MB/s Around 562.8x better geekbench 3 AES single core score More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 4.42 GHz Around 2x better overclocked clock speed (Water)=======end======= ok now lets compare it to an i3-3220 intels top i3 ivy bridge core and guess what it still beats it Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Much higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.3 GHz More than 20% higher clock speed Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking More l3 cache 8 MB vs 3 MB Around 2.8x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 3,775.1 Around 2.8x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.55 pt/$ Around 5.8x better performance per dollar More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 173,000 MB/s More than 14.2x better geekbench 3 AES single core score Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.43 GHz Around 40% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 5,399 Around 2.2x better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.51 GHz More than 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 5,707 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 5,351 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better cinebench r10 32Bit score 22,674 vs 12,548 More than 80% better cinebench r10 32Bit score Better performance per watt 5.83 pt/W vs 3.52 pt/W More than 65% better performance per watt Newer Oct, 2012 vs Sep, 2012 Release date 1 months later=======end======= the Skylake has the least amount of PCIe lanes of just about all of the current Intel boards and no matter what GPU you put on it is going to suffer from the board and cpu architecture's a result, somewhere in the range of 12-16 lanes, if i were to suggest an upgrade to today's standards and if he had a budget of over $500 i would suggest an X58-X79-or-X99 he would get full bandwidth usage from both his GPU ram and cpu with near perfect scores with a full 40 PCIe lanes, but if you look at his post he implies he has a budget of about $500 with shipping so although my system i am offering him isn't top of the line latest and greatest with the current benchmarks that you speak of ...which BTW benchmarks are for tech heads anyways that are looking to wring every possible FPS available from their systems in the first place, this system will be more then a noticeable upgrade for him , he would enjoy it for years to come, and getting a pair of GPU's for nothing that he could run in SLI mode would + a Current Motherboard + a current CPU + Current DDR3 Ram @ 16GB's is not something that is obtainable now a days for under $500 let alone Shipped for under $400, had he of caught me 2 months ago , I would of offered him an ASUS ROG LGA1155 formula Maximus with an i7 3770 with 16gb's for the same cost as this system still new in box
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