Lendova Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3. yeah that is true . however an I3 is not an upgrade it is a base model non over-clockable temporary fix that is a huge bottle neck compared to an FX-core AMD 8350 cpu running 8 cores hmm you want bench marks lets compair shall we? Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% higher clock speed More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once More l3 cache 8 MB vs 4 MB 2x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 4,161.4 Around 2.5x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.6 GHz Around 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.71 GHz More than 25% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 6,874 More than 65% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 7,453 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 6,710 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 6.61 pt/$ Around 35% better performance per dollar=======end======= now ask him just how much he is interested in benchmarks, h is still playing his games on an athlon quad core, AM2 series the above listing is in comparison to an LGA1150 i3-4340 the very best i3 available in that series now here are the specs on an LGA 1151 i3-6320 the very best in the skylake i3 series, again the fx-8350 beats it Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.51 pt/$ Around 6x better performance per dollar More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 4,390 MB/s Around 562.8x better geekbench 3 AES single core score More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 4.42 GHz Around 2x better overclocked clock speed (Water)=======end======= ok now lets compare it to an i3-3220 intels top i3 ivy bridge core and guess what it still beats it Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Much higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.3 GHz More than 20% higher clock speed Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking More l3 cache 8 MB vs 3 MB Around 2.8x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 3,775.1 Around 2.8x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.55 pt/$ Around 5.8x better performance per dollar More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 173,000 MB/s More than 14.2x better geekbench 3 AES single core score Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.43 GHz Around 40% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 5,399 Around 2.2x better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.51 GHz More than 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 5,707 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 5,351 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better cinebench r10 32Bit score 22,674 vs 12,548 More than 80% better cinebench r10 32Bit score Better performance per watt 5.83 pt/W vs 3.52 pt/W More than 65% better performance per watt Newer Oct, 2012 vs Sep, 2012 Release date 1 months later=======end======= the Skylake has the least amount of PCIe lanes of just about all of the current Intel boards and no matter what GPU you put on it is going to suffer from the board and cpu architecture's a result, somewhere in the range of 12-16 lanes, if i were to suggest an upgrade to today's standards and if he had a budget of over $500 i would suggest an X58-X79-or-X99 he would get full bandwidth usage from both his GPU ram and cpu with near perfect scores with a full 40 PCIe lanes, but if you look at his post he implies he has a budget of about $500 with shipping so although my system i am offering him isn't top of the line latest and greatest with the current benchmarks that you speak of ...which BTW benchmarks are for tech heads anyways that are looking to wring every possible FPS available from their systems in the first place, this system will be more then a noticeable upgrade for him , he would enjoy it for years to come, and getting a pair of GPU's for nothing that he could run in SLI mode would + a Current Motherboard + a current CPU + Current DDR3 Ram @ 16GB's is not something that is obtainable now a days for under $500 let alone Shipped for under $400, had he of caught me 2 months ago , I would of offered him an ASUS ROG LGA1155 formula Maximus with an i7 3770 with 16gb's for the same cost as this system still new in box You can post 10 page of specification and more synthetic benchmark scores which not just confuse but mislead the poor guy/girl, who want to upgrade. The 2 important thing for someone, who want to play games on PC. How much is the avarage and the minimum framerate. Not how "big" is the cache/core ratio or how much core its have etc. Skylake i3 6100/6300/6320 tests: http://pclab.pl/art66945-10.html Haswell i3 4130/4330/4340 tests: http://pclab.pl/art54006-4.html Both, a haswell or a skylake i3 would be a big upgrade. And none of them costs more than an AMD FX, yet generally faster in games. And as i said earlier, an upgarde is still possible on the Intel side, if its necessary 1-2 years later.
oticon Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3. yeah that is true . however an I3 is not an upgrade it is a base model non over-clockable temporary fix that is a huge bottle neck compared to an FX-core AMD 8350 cpu running 8 cores hmm you want bench marks lets compair shall we? Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% higher clock speed More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once More l3 cache 8 MB vs 4 MB 2x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 4,161.4 Around 2.5x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.6 GHz Around 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.71 GHz More than 25% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 6,874 More than 65% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 7,453 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 6,710 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 6.61 pt/$ Around 35% better performance per dollar=======end======= now ask him just how much he is interested in benchmarks, h is still playing his games on an athlon quad core, AM2 series the above listing is in comparison to an LGA1150 i3-4340 the very best i3 available in that series now here are the specs on an LGA 1151 i3-6320 the very best in the skylake i3 series, again the fx-8350 beats it Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.51 pt/$ Around 6x better performance per dollar More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 4,390 MB/s Around 562.8x better geekbench 3 AES single core score More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 4.42 GHz Around 2x better overclocked clock speed (Water)=======end======= ok now lets compare it to an i3-3220 intels top i3 ivy bridge core and guess what it still beats it Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Much higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.3 GHz More than 20% higher clock speed Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking More l3 cache 8 MB vs 3 MB Around 2.8x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 3,775.1 Around 2.8x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.55 pt/$ Around 5.8x better performance per dollar More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 173,000 MB/s More than 14.2x better geekbench 3 AES single core score Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.43 GHz Around 40% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 5,399 Around 2.2x better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.51 GHz More than 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 5,707 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 5,351 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better cinebench r10 32Bit score 22,674 vs 12,548 More than 80% better cinebench r10 32Bit score Better performance per watt 5.83 pt/W vs 3.52 pt/W More than 65% better performance per watt Newer Oct, 2012 vs Sep, 2012 Release date 1 months later=======end======= the Skylake has the least amount of PCIe lanes of just about all of the current Intel boards and no matter what GPU you put on it is going to suffer from the board and cpu architecture's a result, somewhere in the range of 12-16 lanes, if i were to suggest an upgrade to today's standards and if he had a budget of over $500 i would suggest an X58-X79-or-X99 he would get full bandwidth usage from both his GPU ram and cpu with near perfect scores with a full 40 PCIe lanes, but if you look at his post he implies he has a budget of about $500 with shipping so although my system i am offering him isn't top of the line latest and greatest with the current benchmarks that you speak of ...which BTW benchmarks are for tech heads anyways that are looking to wring every possible FPS available from their systems in the first place, this system will be more then a noticeable upgrade for him , he would enjoy it for years to come, and getting a pair of GPU's for nothing that he could run in SLI mode would + a Current Motherboard + a current CPU + Current DDR3 Ram @ 16GB's is not something that is obtainable now a days for under $500 let alone Shipped for under $400, had he of caught me 2 months ago , I would of offered him an ASUS ROG LGA1155 formula Maximus with an i7 3770 with 16gb's for the same cost as this system still new in box You can post 10 page of specification and more synthetic benchmark scores which not just confuse but mislead the poor guy/girl, who want to upgrade. The 2 important thing for someone, who want to play games on PC. How much is the avarage and the minimum framerate. Not how "big" is the cache/core ratio or how much core its have etc. Skylake i3 6100/6300/6320 tests: http://pclab.pl/art66945-10.html Haswell i3 4130/4330/4340 tests: http://pclab.pl/art54006-4.html Both, a haswell or a skylake i3 would be a big upgrade. And none of them costs more than an AMD FX, yet generally faster in games. And as i said earlier, an upgarde is still possible on the Intel side, if its necessary 1-2 years later. how can you talk about average and minimum framerate that is what the GPU handles by taking the info from the HDD, Ram and Cpu and translates that into GPU/Frames per second the cpu is NOT the graphics processor and then say the haswell or skylake are better then the AMD , there is no synthetic benchmarks here the only thing that the Intel Cpus have over the AMD is smaller Dies and Lower TDP's other then that as for misleading I'll admit that the format i put the specs listed above in are not the way they were displayed on this website, i will change that so that even he will understand the specs now here is the list that i pulled my specs from , no inflated specs, these are straight off Newegg, of all these CPU's only the AMD is overclockable to 8Ghz's on Water and has 8 actual cores, the i3's have hyper threading which means they have dual lanes which the pc only sees as 4 cores in reality it does not it is 2 Actual cores with 2 emulated cores http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=amd%20fx8350&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1|2MN-0004-00002^2MN-0004-00002%2C19-116-944^19-116-944%2C19-117-621^19-117-621%2C9SIA6ZP41A5564^9SIA6ZP41A5564%2C19-113-284^19-113-284&percm=19-113-284%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24
Lendova Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 how do you figure, show me one gaming platform that is utilized specifically for Intel? now I'm not speaking of Overclocking, or video cards, or Hyper threading, i am speaking of any game out there that is more playable on Intel Vs. AMD, I have Both AMD and Intel Nvidia and ATI cards for those that have the money to throw out yes an Intel is great, but for those that don't AMD is just fine, add to that mix is the popular issue of a gaming pc will last you what 4-5 years before an upgrade to a platform or game is what you want? it makes moresense to spend the money on an AMD system then an Intel, as the resell value is about the same for both at an age of 5 years example, remember when the $500 Nvidia 295's hit the market, i just picked up 6 of them for $20 each, along with that the old AMD 7990 card that were almost $800 in the day are now available for under $150 both play all of these games just fine Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3. yeah that is true . however an I3 is not an upgrade it is a base model non over-clockable temporary fix that is a huge bottle neck compared to an FX-core AMD 8350 cpu running 8 cores hmm you want bench marks lets compair shall we? Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.6 GHz More than 10% higher clock speed More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once More l3 cache 8 MB vs 4 MB 2x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 4,161.4 Around 2.5x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.6 GHz Around 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.71 GHz More than 25% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 6,874 More than 65% better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 7,453 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 6,710 Around 65% better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 6.61 pt/$ Around 35% better performance per dollar=======end======= now ask him just how much he is interested in benchmarks, h is still playing his games on an athlon quad core, AM2 series the above listing is in comparison to an LGA1150 i3-4340 the very best i3 available in that series now here are the specs on an LGA 1151 i3-6320 the very best in the skylake i3 series, again the fx-8350 beats it Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.51 pt/$ Around 6x better performance per dollar More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 4,390 MB/s Around 562.8x better geekbench 3 AES single core score More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 4.42 GHz Around 2x better overclocked clock speed (Water)=======end======= ok now lets compare it to an i3-3220 intels top i3 ivy bridge core and guess what it still beats it Much more l2 cache 8 MB vs 0.5 MB 16x more l2 cache; more data can be stored in the l2 cache for quick access later Much higher clock speed 4 GHz vs 3.3 GHz More than 20% higher clock speed Is unlocked Yes vs No Somewhat common; An unlocked multiplier allows for easier overclocking More l3 cache 8 MB vs 3 MB Around 2.8x more l3 cache; more data can be stored in the l3 cache for quick access later More cores 8 vs 2 6 more cores; run more applications at once Much better PassMark (Overclocked) score 10,147 vs 3,775.1 Around 2.8x better PassMark (Overclocked) score Much more l2 cache per core 1 MB/core vs 0.25 MB/core 4x more l2 cache per core Much better performance per dollar 8.86 pt/$ vs 1.55 pt/$ Around 5.8x better performance per dollar More threads 8 vs 4 Twice as many threads Significantly better geekbench 3 AES single core score 2,470,000 MB/s vs 173,000 MB/s More than 14.2x better geekbench 3 AES single core score Significantly better overclocked clock speed (Air) 4.73 GHz vs 3.43 GHz Around 40% better overclocked clock speed (Air) Better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score 11,483 vs 5,399 Around 2.2x better geekbench 3 Multi-Core score Much better overclocked clock speed (Water) 8.79 GHz vs 3.51 GHz More than 2.5x better overclocked clock speed (Water) Better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score 12,126 vs 5,707 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (64-bit) score Better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score 10,956 vs 5,351 More than 2x better geekbench 2 (32-bit) score Better cinebench r10 32Bit score 22,674 vs 12,548 More than 80% better cinebench r10 32Bit score Better performance per watt 5.83 pt/W vs 3.52 pt/W More than 65% better performance per watt Newer Oct, 2012 vs Sep, 2012 Release date 1 months later=======end======= the Skylake has the least amount of PCIe lanes of just about all of the current Intel boards and no matter what GPU you put on it is going to suffer from the board and cpu architecture's a result, somewhere in the range of 12-16 lanes, if i were to suggest an upgrade to today's standards and if he had a budget of over $500 i would suggest an X58-X79-or-X99 he would get full bandwidth usage from both his GPU ram and cpu with near perfect scores with a full 40 PCIe lanes, but if you look at his post he implies he has a budget of about $500 with shipping so although my system i am offering him isn't top of the line latest and greatest with the current benchmarks that you speak of ...which BTW benchmarks are for tech heads anyways that are looking to wring every possible FPS available from their systems in the first place, this system will be more then a noticeable upgrade for him , he would enjoy it for years to come, and getting a pair of GPU's for nothing that he could run in SLI mode would + a Current Motherboard + a current CPU + Current DDR3 Ram @ 16GB's is not something that is obtainable now a days for under $500 let alone Shipped for under $400, had he of caught me 2 months ago , I would of offered him an ASUS ROG LGA1155 formula Maximus with an i7 3770 with 16gb's for the same cost as this system still new in box You can post 10 page of specification and more synthetic benchmark scores which not just confuse but mislead the poor guy/girl, who want to upgrade. The 2 important thing for someone, who want to play games on PC. How much is the avarage and the minimum framerate. Not how "big" is the cache/core ratio or how much core its have etc. Skylake i3 6100/6300/6320 tests: http://pclab.pl/art66945-10.html Haswell i3 4130/4330/4340 tests: http://pclab.pl/art54006-4.html Both, a haswell or a skylake i3 would be a big upgrade. And none of them costs more than an AMD FX, yet generally faster in games. And as i said earlier, an upgarde is still possible on the Intel side, if its necessary 1-2 years later. how can you talk about average and minimum framerate that is what the GPU handles by taking the info from the HDD, Ram and Cpu and translates that into GPU/Frames per second the cpu is NOT the graphics processor and then say the haswell or skylake are better then the AMD , there is no synthetic benchmarks here the only thing that the Intel Cpus have over the AMD is smaller Dies and Lower TDP's other then that as for misleading I'll admit that the format i put the specs listed above in are not the way they were displayed on this website, i will change that so that even he will understand the specs now here is the list that i pulled my specs from , no inflated specs, these are straight off Newegg, of all these CPU's only the AMD is overclockable to 8Ghz's on Water and has 8 actual cores, the i3's have hyper threading which means they have dual lanes which the pc only sees as 4 cores in reality it does not it is 2 Actual cores with 2 emulated cores http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=amd%20fx8350&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1|2MN-0004-00002^2MN-0004-00002%2C19-116-944^19-116-944%2C19-117-621^19-117-621%2C9SIA6ZP41A5564^9SIA6ZP41A5564%2C19-113-284^19-113-284&percm=19-113-284%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24 Then what is your proffessional explanation about the tests? Just the motherboard and CPU were switched. Same memory, HDD and GPU. Magic? Again, who the hell cares, how much core it have or how much is the overclock record? Does it provide more fluid gaming performance? No, actually less.
oticon Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 along with that on the links you posted for the skylake and haswell cpus, what O/s was used , what OC's were used those specs are sketchy at best? considering that an AMD FX8350 vs. an Intel 3570K pull about the same numbers whether in windows 8 or in windows 7 and an AMD FX8350 holds its own with Core i5 6600K Skylake Benchmarks vs i5 4690K/ 3770K/ 2500K/ FX-8350 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ_5p9wd2dk one thing to notice the amount of people who purchased the FX8350 over the intel is over 2000 on the AMD chips, and to date from newegg alone all i3 cores sold from each version are all under 200 so what your saying is given the video that was just linked by me that shows the AMD 8350 pulling its weight with a skylake 6600k cpu , that in your words and your links posted an Skylake i3 6100/6300/6320 tests: outdoes a Skylake 6600k? and you can goto any plausible PC tech sites that match cpu performance per CPU bench marks, not associated with Intel or AMD such as your website where they get perks for promoting a product line, but instead post actual related info http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1644
Lendova Posted May 27, 2016 Posted May 27, 2016 I doubt you even spent 10 seconds on the provided links nor you managed to store more than 2 words in your brain cells from my posts.And again, you showed us more synthetic benchmakrs. Great. I consider the gaming banchmark as a missclick on your side. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/4lcun4/pc_upgrade_500_bucks/
oticon Posted May 28, 2016 Posted May 28, 2016 I doubt you even spent 10 seconds on the provided links nor you managed to store more than 2 words in your brain cells from my posts. And again, you showed us more synthetic benchmakrs. Great. I consider the gaming banchmark as a missclick on your side. https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/4lcun4/pc_upgrade_500_bucks/ Wow your showing some real maturity there Lendova, when your backed into a corner you come out with belittling words and looking down against hard facts and proven knowledge. OK to prove my point here as to how blatantly you overlook the details of your excellent background and knowledge base in pc's and pc parts picking and why I have been adamant about steering him away from you and your knowledge i am going to poke some obvious holes in your build you have listed in that pc part picker guide, first off the Skylake Architecture includes DDR4 technology in its native form so and as well know DDR4 is also compliant in today's standards of being Quad Channel ready so why would you neuter his system with that motherboard choice and run in single channel mode? furthermore anybody who looks at your post you just made will note the motherboard spec's will notice your choice of ram exceeds the motherboards stated allowed specs, and now i ask who spent more then 10 seconds looking at specs? direct from gigabyte and i quote "DDR4 2400MHz (downgrade to DDR4 2133MHz)" um yeah a single stick of ram in that scenario would work great in an AMD system , but when you are dealing with INTEL system Item specifics are a must this scenario would hinder any GPU you put on it as you would have a hard time stabilizing or upgrading in the future as the chances of finding a matched DDR4 stick of ram to the single one you chose would be a one in a million shot so at best plan on atleast 2 sticks of ram for future proofing and also pay keen attention to details such as XMP Profiles , not to mention your motherboard choice is rather bland. besides that Why would you choose 1 stick of 8GB of ram in the first place? whats the thinking there. the Asus M5A97 R2.0 4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR32133(O.C.)/1866*/1600/1333/1066 MHz ECC, Non-ECC again more compatibility easier to scource parts and wider range of compatible memory scources gigabyte motherboard Mem specs DDR4 2133MHz only moving on: Now i ask what is your thoughts on future proofing this setup, ok lets go over some key points on this system specs you provided, the Z series motherboard and the X series motherboards are basically set up for your performance and gaming sided pc's the H series pc's limit your OC to next to nill, regardless of what cpu you put on it, lets look at specs first of the GA-H110M-A (rev. 1.0) it has a total of 16 PCIE lanes , thats decent ...actually quite normal, the i3-6100 has a total of 20 lanes, again what was the thinking here? the AMD FX-8350 cpu 38 lanes of PCIE lanes. as for overclocking on the ASUS board. (1208 BIOS): Base clock: From 100 MHz to 600 MHz in 1 MHz increments PCI Express clock: From 100 MHz to 150 MHz in 1 MHz increments CPU core voltage: Offset from -0.3000 V to +0.5000 V in 0.00625 V increments CPU NB (memory controller) voltage: Offset from -0.3000 V to +0.5000 V in 0.00625 V increments Memory voltage: From 1.200 V to 2.200 V in 0.00625 V increments North bridge voltage: From 1.100 V to 1.250 V in 0.00625 V increments HyperTransport voltage: From 1.200 V to 1.400 V in 0.00625 V increments CPU VDDA voltage: From 2.200 V to 2.800 V in 0.00625 V increments Southbridge voltage: From 1.100 V to 1.800 V in 0.005 V increments Read more at http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/asus-m5a97-r20-motherboard/7/#MGX200vXM6XHCikj.99 moving onto the cpu's AMD FX8350 specs a similar base price out here: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RaijinAUGe/saved/#view=PWtcCJ Intel i3 specs pro's and cons taken from your own page link provided in your pcpartspicker. ProsFast single-core performance Low power requirements Skylake for under £100 ConsCan’t compete in multi-core benchmarks A little slower in some games Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/intel-core-i3-6100-review#G0r3E6T0Q5GTIiXp.99 so yeah you can spout off that i don't know jack, but i do pay attention to details that you clearly miss, now im not claiming that this core is the update as that of your skylake, what i am saying is between the 2 setups, your setup is no better overall then what you would get by going into Walmart or target and buying an off the shelf cheapo pc with no room for major upgrades where as my setup atleast has the potential to be upgraded for a few more years after it has been built and will surpass your i3 setup and is already an equal to your system with stock settings with the ability to overclock it even further then your current build listed above Maybe we should count your blatant disregard for actual specs as what.....................a miss click on your part?
Lendova Posted May 28, 2016 Posted May 28, 2016 Synthetic memory bencmark scores will be much slower with 1 stick. HORRIBLE! meanwhile the gaming performance will be (almost?) untouched.And its not supports 2400MHz? Guess what, the MB will set the clock speed to 2133. You see only numbers, instead of how much it actually matters. Btw, welcome to my ignore list.
oticon Posted May 28, 2016 Posted May 28, 2016 Did you saw benchmarks from this decade? Any MMO, almost any Blizzard game, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 4, ArmA 1-2-3, Battlefield series...the list is long. The difference can be small to huge. With huge, I mean 20-30 fps vs 60-70. Plus, an upgrade is still possible from a Pentium G or i3 later, if its necessary. edit: I would go with a skylake i3. ok so which is it, one minute your claiming im not paying attention to bench marks, and then the next your calling them synthetic? do you even look at your own posts, what you are speaking of is having him piece together a pc that may run a game just fine but will be worth crap anywhere else he uses it. I am speaking in terms of building a balanced pc on a budget, you on the other hand are more interested in playing the game of who has the last word said. using mismatched pc components does not equate to a better machine, just telling someone they need to get the latest and greatest and to tell others that they are not paying attention to specs or benchmarks and then to turn around and claim they are in the know of what they are spewing doesn't justify the end means if they don't atleast look at the specs and benchmarks of their own suggested equipment. Me personally i think you have a good basis for a good pc, maybe one that would be good for HTPC build but certainly not a gaming pc using a dual core cpu, on a motherboard that is slated for dual channel ram and forced into limp mode by using dual channel ram in a single slot and leave the second unpopulated, let alone use ram that is over the max MHz of the motherboard, and then to come out and say "so the board will reduce it to 2133" anyone that builds pc's with any amount of integrity to their builds and their customers will tell you what i am about to, if you build using cheap parts for the sake of being cheap and not taking the time to match your components then you are wasting your money and others as well. now had you of posted something like this , i would of backed you for being a creditable builder G.Skill ddr4 2x4gb dual channel 33.99 ChipsetIntel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 Platform Intel XMP 2.0 support which is easily selectable in UEFI or standard bios http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231886&cm_re=ddr4-_-20-231-886-_-Product Core i3-6320 159.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117621 Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H (rev. 1.0) 89.99 Number of Memory Slots 4×288pin Memory Standard DDR4 3466*(*O.C.)/ 3400*/ 3333*/ 3300*/ 3200*/ 3000*/ 2800*/ 2666*/ 2400*/ 2133 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128845 total, $283.97 atleast this setup allows him room to grow with his pc, and as he becomes more confident in the running and maintaining his pc, and will learn the basics to build for many years to come, he now with this setup has room to grow with it
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