The complete body

[xp32]

I was fans of CBBE big boobs and it curvy but I was compare it to CHSBHC and vanilla body. At that time I haven't even touch UNP. moreover, CBBE has support to BBP. However, more custom armor (which actually my taste, like Hentai series) were released as UNP for its premiere. After I try that, the shape is balanced on "everything" ( I do some research to female body) though the breast option was too small and no support for BBP. But then there exist BBP mod for UNP and UNP with larger breast released (UNPB)

I found that there no reason anymore for me to stick with other bodies (CBBE). For custom armor/clothes, You'll see that some of new modder are fall for UNP. They do CBBE because of request

[Kalell]

I prefer UNP because of the texture and the way the inner thigh, hips, butt, and stomach look. I used CBBE for a long time and really liked it, but there was always something that bugged me about the texture. I tried every alternate texture that people made and never found one that I was happy with. When UNP was released it had a nice looking texture and made some areas I didn't have a problem with on CBBE look even better so I switched.

[Neovalen]

UNP is great, UNPB has all the features of UNP with a greater breast range which is awesome. I'm really hoping we see some more UNPB conversions because I am just in love with it.

 

Also it supports BBP with very easy to understand instructions on the UNPB page.

[Daguy]

I like UNP personally. I dislike CBBE textures, could never find something fully 'realistic' like I managed with UNP. Its also nice that all the presets are pretty realistic in proportions too. Even the largest-breasted random bandit doesn't look like I just stepped into a cheap hentai show or holiwood. Call me crazy, but I also don't want to be having to mess with sliders setting up my PCs body, i'm happy enough to have a preset and attractive body. there are enough variants and skintone differences that I rarely meet a 'clone'.

 

I'm more your 'Game of Thrones' man than 'Conan: Battle of the Busty Babes'.

 

I kind of guessed CBBE would 'win' the poll even before votng UNP, and it certainly seems to be. The sizes of the breasts and asses that can be achieved will sell it every time.

[Guest]

The sizes of the breasts and asses that can be achieved will sell it every time.

Exactly this. I switched quite alot of times because of certain armor set combinations but at the end I always came back to UNP and why is that? Might be because I'm not all about boobs and ass. I don't really like my character to run around like a "whore" either so why would I want huge boobs when I'm running around in heavy armor anyway.

[Jexsam]

"Most complete" depends on what you're after in a body.

 

UNP and CBBE both are essentially "complete". I don't know if CBBE has a purely vanilla armor/clothing conversion, but UNP does. Both have multiple skimpy conversions as well. Both also have a fair number of armors out, however CBBE has more exclusives, and most UNP stuff is also released with a CBBE version.

 

I vote UNP, in the end, since its shape is great without being immersion-breakingly idealistic. It matches Skyrim so much better than anything else out now. And for my idea of "complete", being able to look sexy and maintain immersion is hugely important factor. And if immersion is important to you, too, you'd probably avoid most skimpy armors anyway.

 

 

And to be honest' date=' i really don't know if all the people who say they don't like the shape of cbbe and so on really have tried Bodyslide, and be aware that cbbe can actually exactly look the way they want it to be, while all other bodys only have 1 or 2 predeterminated shapes[/quote']

Last I was aware, Bodyslide had been made UNP compatible as well. So your point is pretty moot.

 

The real problem with CBBE isn't the shape so much as the mesh is crap. There's almost no detail in it, and all the shapes are so basic. Bodyslide adds variety, but it can't fix a bad mesh.

[loverslabme]

I like UNP Slim myself, and have set up races in game to be split between UNP Base and Slim, some with the Sporty map.

 

I've recently added a follower that uses CBBEv3M though, and have to say, I like that too.

 

Basically... variety is the spice of life

[Daguy]

May I ask how you arranged them to be 'split'? That sounds good, as I feel that Bosmer would be better with the slim body, and orcs with the muscular map.

[Yes I'm Taco]

May I ask how you arranged them to be 'split'? That sounds good' date=' as I feel that Bosmer would be better with the slim body, and orcs with the muscular map.

[/quote']

If you mean something like Bosmers should use UNP and Orcs use a different body type, the only way I can think of is to create a custom race and assign each NPC of that faction to the body sort of like "The Spice of Life" mod.

 

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=16668

[TazmanNZL]

I tend to agree with Calyps. I use UNPB now. Took me two weeks of uninstalling and reinstalling switching from CBBE to UNP. I like CBBE because of the bodyslider but from the waist down UNP is near perfect without changing anything. Only thing I wasn't happy with was the C cup. If anything UNP should have at least gone up to a D cup. But thanks to Calyps with UNPB that is now possible.

 

Unless anyone here knows where I can find shorts similar to the ones in brokefoots UNP armors for CBBE. I tried looking everywhere for CBBE versions of shorts or skirts for that matter. Couldn't find anything. But there are plenty of them for UNP so I had to make the switch to UNPB. Now I can have the armor I like and the slightly larger breasts that I like. So for me UNPB is the way to go.

[Sartyn]

Really the only reason I stick to CBBE is due to the amount of armors available to it...Remodeled for instance is only for Cbbe and i think someone is trying to port it to Cherry's Killers is only for CBBE. the UNP sexy stuff is just unimpressive, additionally the UNP armor creators don't bother packaging their stuff, for the most part you have to download everything one at a time which is another turnoff.

[loverslabme]

@Daguy

 

I made the changes myself in the CK. It's fairly straightforward.

 

There are a couple of mods on the Nexus that assign different bodies to races, but I had mixed results with them, so just made small changes myself.

 

Currently have UNP Base and Slim on standard races, with CBBEv3 plus CBBEv3M on followers.

[SeriousPermissions]

Perfect UNP:

 

 

[stuffed_bunny]

Bodyslide had been made UNP compatible as well. So your point is pretty moot.

As the author of this joke-of-a-mod I just had to chip in and claim that his point is not moot at all. UNP basically has no Bodyslide support. And btw' date=' it's not Bodyslide that has to be made compatible with any body mod, it's the opposite. The mod was just an attempt to show how little effort it takes to do that.

 

Like most others, I like UNP. It's very well made, which is no surprise given dimon's experience making body mods. With that said, CBBE is well made too, so it's unfortunate and unfair that some people praising UNP is equally eager to bash CBBE like this:

The real problem with CBBE isn't the shape so much as the mesh is crap. There's almost no detail in it, and all the shapes are so basic. Bodyslide adds variety, but it can't fix a bad mesh.

 

Having made 20 or more slider shapes based of CalienteBody, I'm quite aware of it's limitations in vertex count, and the problems the default shape occasionally creates when rescaling body parts out of intended limits. But these limitations would present themselves at some point with any mesh. Of course, myself being an amateur at modeling doesn't help.

 

Still, while "UNP>CBBE" crusaders have valid points motivating their choice, critiscism often go too far and ignore context. Some points to consider: Afaik, CBBE is Caliente's first body mod, while dimon have years of experience. Afaik, Caliente is female and may not have equal motivation in perfecting modeling/texturing of the body, especially in certain, er... private parts.

 

Final point, Caliente wrote Bodyslide, which although not replacing the sorry lack of in-game body sliders (which other games have had forever), at least gives an opportunity of customisation, which static body replacers lack - at best you have two choices. And while Bodyslide by now seems to have been around since the Nords ancestors first landed in Tamriel, no other body than CBBE has support for it. None. It may not be out of disrespect of Caliente or Bodyslide, but nevertheless it is a missed opportunity. And this is even more sad than people who can't help but sneer at the efforts of modders. No offense.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Apok_Confessor]

@stuffed_bunny

Very well put, and I have to say I agree with you pretty much completely, though as a newbie to this game modding stuff I don't understand all of the trials and tribulations of a modder, but as an avid poser user and mod tweaker I can appreciate all of the hard work that goes into these mods.

 

I have spent a lot of time switching out the body types and looking for remodelled vanilla armours to complete my Skyrim experience and I have come to a couple of personal conclusions... I really really like UNP slim, and I am sad that there is really very few mods that seem to work well with it. There is a great collection of remodelled vanilla armours here but few of the cool armour mods coming out these days seem to be geared toward it. And of course I understand the appeal of large breasts and bouncy buttocks, but I really am looking for a more realistic (imo) style.

 

Things like the BBP Armor Pack are really cool but I find them a little on the distracting side.

 

I have eagerly awaited the Bodyslide conversions of more than just the clothes and two sets of armours but as I understand it Caliente is very busy with the tutorials so I will just have to be patient there, but when they are ready I could see myself switching over to those and leaving UNP behind.

 

Anyway, many have made good points and I am looking forward to any more debate people would like to offer.

[CaffeineHigh]

Voted CBBE, to me it is the best fantasy styled body out there. UNP reminds me too much of the T3 body from Fallout, and while it is indeed very high quality I find the shape and proportions to look a little odd and doesn't really fit my idea of what a 'fantasy' body should look like. I haven't tried any of the others listed. In the end you can't really go wrong with either CBBE or UNP, just depends on your personal tastes.

 

That said, I still prefer the shape of the old HGEC to either of them. CBBE comes close except for the, uh, 'plentiful' hips and rear.

[creeposaurus]

I can honestly say I love all body mods (except the ones with physics as I see no point in them. I'm always switching between 1st and 3rd person). I love the curviness of CBBE (Awwww shit, that ass), the delicate, realistic look of UNP (and how cute the bellybutton is), and there are a few other body mods that aren't as popular but very well made and pleasant to look at. Almost too pleasant, can't stop staring at my character sometimes x3

[Daguy]

I think the reason for bashers of either side is that, quite simply, with two major body mods the mod-makers will often be split between them. You can get some clothing scaled to UNP and some to CBBE, and only about half do a version for both. That can likely be really annoying if you like a certain outfit but its not made for your favorite body.

 

I don't bash CBBE - I just don't like the textures and mesh. I also don;t download much new armor and clothing, so its not a big deal for me as long as the vanilla gear is modded to work.

 

I think it honestly comes down to whether you want Conan and/or Comic style fantasy characters or if you like your fantasy with a little more of a realistic and natural feel, more Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings. CBBE fits the former better - UNP the latter.

 

My view anyway, clarified a little from earlier.

[stuffed_bunny]

I really really like UNP slim' date=' and I am sad that there is really very few mods that seem to work well with it.

[/quote']

 

It's possible to convert UNP outfits from normal to slim without using any 3d editor and all the headaches with NIF import/export, but it still requires lots of manual tinkering (and Bodyslide UNP). For each outfit:

1. export each shape as OBJ in Nifscope

2. make/adapt sliderset (text editing)

3. use Convert-BSD in my slider conversion script (Bodyslide_tools) to get outfit sliders

4. use the converson sliderset in Bodyslide

[lolerzness]

CBBE.

Though i switch to UNP from time to time.

UNP emphasizes more on how slender the body is while CBBE focuses more on specifics such as hips and breasts and all that.

Dont kill meh i aint bashing either mods

Each person has their preferences.

[PenguinDust]

I switch around all the time, but I always come back to CherryHotaling's CHSBHC body. I like the jiggly. I've toyed with UNPB, but there's more clothing for CHSBHC, so that's why I favor that one.

[rosette]

I love numenume too. Them hip curves and bbp. ;3

[creeposaurus]

Oh yeah! I forgot all about the erosbody. God thems curves ^-^

[Monsto Brukes]

Kills me people sayin "bla bla is best because it had whatever."

 

It's all preference, people. may as well be arguing your favorite color.

[erc1971]

DMRA all the way.

 

Eric