OSex+ The Greatest Virtual Sex Ever

[nt95]

Did some testing tonight.  After uninstalling the old version and installing the new version the mod worked perfectly except for one weird thing - I couldn't exit the mod.  The Num-Period key did nothing.  I then tried a clean save and had the same issue.  I started a new game and the problem was resolved - the Num-Period key now works.  Very weird that the one button was an issue and everything else worked great.  Probably just a random thing though if a new game will be required for further updates then that's a big negative.  Hopefully it won't be an issue.

 

I did also have the scaling issue the first time but it seemed corrected itself quickly.  I can't remember if it was me switching the DOM to the NPC or when I changed positions.  Too tired to remember ... now to get some sleep. 

[sfll]

 

 

 

 

 

I am investigating what can be done with the scaling issues - is it possible however that the problem is furniture or other usable word objects?

 

NPCs scale to fit these things in the game world, and they have a gradual up/down scaling to match the required size (controlled by the RaceToScale keyword on the object). I do not know how this may interact with any scaling issues.

 

Excepting that, measuring the distance between nodes on the skeleton I have come up with a few good options:

; calculate node distance in 3d from bone references
float Function NodeDistance(ObjectReference ref, string NodeA, string NodeB)
    If !NetImmerse.HasNode(ref, NodeA, false) || !NetImmerse.HasNode(ref, NodeB, false)
        ; missing node(s)
        return 0.0
    EndIf
    float rx = NetImmerse.GetRelativeNodePositionX(ref, NodeA, nodeB, false)
    float ry = NetImmerse.GetRelativeNodePositionY(ref, NodeA, nodeB, false)
    float rz = NetImmerse.GetRelativeNodePositionZ(ref, NodeA, nodeB, false)
    return Math.sqrt((rx*rx) + (ry*ry) + (rz*rz))
EndFunction

The most accurate bone pairs to measure I have found (probably requires XPMSE) are:

 

; ~99.97 accuracy regardless of normal action animation

; this may become broken if you use an HDT tail though, didn't check

float dist = NodeDistance(PlayerRef, "CME Tail Spine [Spn0]", "CME Tail Spine1 [Spn1]")

; ~99.85 accuracy

float dist = NodeDistance(PlayerRef, "AnimObjectB", "CharacterBumper")

; optionally, this was ~100% accurate except during a death animation on just the z axis

; also conveniently, base (1.0) scale has this exactly equal to 10.000000

float dist = NetImmerse.GetRelativeNodePositionZ(PlayerRef, "AnimObjectB", "CharacterBumper")

The last option is probably the easiest to work with, unless someone finds a normal action state that breaks it other than dying.

[predomnebun]

yes yes yes its all very advanced BUT will 0SEX be compatible with this mod?...   http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/75024/?

[migal130]

SF,

 

Are you testing on a specific actor more than one time during the same gaming session? Have you tested on an actor currently under the effects of RaceToScale furniture (bar stool, rail lean marker, bed)?

[Kinky]

CEO about nexus name: you can simply do what many other modders did - create new mod page then leave a big link to that on your old mod description page.

 

On new one you can separate osa and osex downloads and explain the change as mod becomming a framework.

 

This would introduce the mod to new ppl and make it hit hotfiles and the mod of the month again.

 

Also you mentioned moving actor lock deeper to reduce the time user can see locked actor. But this same time was first thing migal had to fix/increase in order for actors to get T-posed properly for measurement. So this could be main issue. All measurements depend on that. Maybe gender check as well. This would explain sounds not asigned. And i dont know what happens with other actor info like esg if one of those fails.

 

Also if you catch a free time check consoleutil by meh321 for tcl It could be simpler way to deal with positioning instead of messing up with collision boxes with wehicle thingie but it would add another requirement.

[Nichoice]

Also if you catch a free time check consoleutil by meh321 for tcl It could be simpler way to deal with positioning instead of messing up with collision boxes with wehicle thingie but it would add another requirement.

 

Unless you include it in the mod? Might save on those why isn't it working, did you update consoleutil/wrong version of consoleutil type questions or issues. 

 

PS. Finally had time to download the new release, can't wait to test it! 

[Nichoice]

Also this FootIk error is really strange...

 

Installed the 1.08 on a new game that had never installed any previous versions of 0S ran FNIS, and also got Footlk error.  

[Kinky]

 

Also this FootIk error is really strange...

Installed the 1.08 on a new game that had never installed any previous versions of 0S ran FNIS, and also got Footlk error.

Was that vanila start? Carriage and all intro sequence?

[Nichoice]

 

 

Also this FootIk error is really strange...

Installed the 1.08 on a new game that had never installed any previous versions of 0S ran FNIS, and also got Footlk error.

Vas that vanila start? Carriage and all intro sequence?

 

 

No, I use Skyrim Unbound. Though it was a new game whereby I had not installed any previous versions as it was a new profile of my usual mods. 

 

Though it only occurred on first load, subsequent loads no Footlk error. 

 

And I can also confirm the Enhanced Camera bug whereby changing to first person the head would be backwards i.e. I am looking behind me as opposed to in-front of me.

 

And if I may ask, what is the size or deviation of the Schlong used? Because as it stands, if 0Sex is going to be my go to mod for Snu Snu, then I won't need the other Schlongs nor their different variations and sizes. One standard sized Male/Female Schlong would be enough no?  

[migal130]

Here's my scaling solution. I cannot do better than this due to Skyrim's floating point rounding. Its accuracy is precisely the same as RaceToScale.

 

Pros:

 

1. Works on 1st, 5th, 100th attempt during same gaming session

2. No SKSE, t-pose or NetImmerse required

3. No actionscript required, except for visual display of scaling

4. Works on NPCs under the effects of RaceToScale

5. Avoids sleeping NPC crash

6. Scale-for-animation accuracy within 99.99%

7. Scale back-to-normal accuracy 100%

8. Works with any skeleton (doesn't care about bones)

9. Does not scale actors that are naturally the proper scale

10. I do not believe there is a faster method

11. I believe it will improve game stability (because it doesn't use NetImmerse)

 

Cons:

1. Forces sitting or sleeping NPC to be yanked out of furniture, which the animation would do anyway

2. I don't know what the actionscript "Arrange" feature calls, so I can't write code for it yet.

3. Radical departure from way it is done now, so more code to change/delete

 

Idle Property ResetRoot  Auto ; You must auto-fill this property in the CK.

float fNaturalScale
float fScalingFactor
float fCurrentScale

;--- in OnEffectStart --- called by spell cast or <num 0>
	
	; --- Required to deal with toons under the effects of RaceToScale
	; --- Pulls the NPC out of the furniture and auto-scales them to natural
	; --- Side benefit of avoiding crash on sleeping NPCs
	if Actra != PlayerRef && ((Actra.GetSitState() > 2) || (Actra.GetSleepState() > 2))
		Actra.PlayIdle(ResetRoot)
		Actra.MoveTo(Game.GetPlayer(), (40 * Math.Sin(Game.GetPlayer().GetAngleZ())), (40 * Math.Cos(Game.GetPlayer().GetAngleZ())), 0.0, abMatchRotation = false)
	endif
        ;--- end RaceToScale section ---

	; --- scaling operations	
	fNaturalScale = Actra.GetScale()
	if Actra == PlayerRef
		if fNaturalScale != 1.03
			fScalingFactor = (1.03 / fNaturalScale)
			Actra.SetScale(fScalingFactor)
		endif
	else
		if fNaturalScale != 1.0
			fScalingFactor = (1.0 / fNaturalScale)
			Actra.SetScale(fScalingFactor)
		endif
	endif
	fCurrentScale = Actra.GetScale()
	; send fNaturalScale to actionscript for Natural Scale display
	; send fCurrentScale to actionscript for Current Scale display
	; --- end scaling operations

	; run animation scene
;------------------------

;--- in OnEffectFinish --- called by dispel() or <num .>

	; end animation scene

	; --- scale reversion operations
	Actra.SetScale(1.0) ; no kidding.  This is all there needs to be.
	; --- end scale reversion operations

;------------------------

The first screenie is a looping gif of a very short character so it is easy to see the scaling visually. The rest are all separated into three images so the numbers can be inspected more easily. They include an NPC that is under the effects of RaceToScale, an NPC that is shorter than the player and an NPC that is taller than the player.

[Kinky]

 

No, I use Skyrim Unbound. Though it was a new game whereby I had not installed any previous versions as it was a new profile of my usual mods. 

 

Though it only occurred on first load, subsequent loads no Footlk error. 

 

And I can also confirm the Enhanced Camera bug whereby changing to first person the head would be backwards i.e. I am looking behind me as opposed to in-front of me.

 

And if I may ask, what is the size or deviation of the Schlong used? Because as it stands, if 0Sex is going to be my go to mod for Snu Snu, then I won't need the other Schlongs nor their different variations and sizes. One standard sized Male/Female Schlong would be enough no?  

 

 

FootIk error for me usualy happens if i first load save game that was saved after 0sex was installed.

To avoid this usualy i go coc qasmoke coz there FootIk never happens and then i can load any game without issues.

But in latest version i noticed that 0sex can create FootIk error even on first load of clean save.

 

Migal could be right about Nioverride being reason why it happens (since 0sex is using it and error happens after its installed) but it doesnt explain why some saves or some starting locations are resistant/immune to footik error.

 

This is why i asked about where you started new game. I think location affects if it will happen or not. It could be flat surface where you are standing or elevation (on my save where character is in front of dragonsreach which has pretty high elevation on flat surface error never happens).

 

About SOS you need to install one addon for male and one for female. 0sex does all the scaling or if you dont like it you can deactiveate sos scaling inside _config.ini

 

[micachu86]

I cant start pressing num 0 did nothing.  Any idea why?  

[Nichoice]

 

FootIk error...

 

With regards to the Footlk error, the save was within the Dark Brotherhood Sanctum just in front of the desk. The Footlk error only occurred on the first load, I have not seen it since. 

[migal130]

Migal could be right about Nioverride being reason why it happens (since 0sex is using it and error happens after its installed) but it doesnt explain why some saves or some starting locations are resistant/immune to footik error.

I cannot claim to fully understand why it happens, so this is only speculation. I think it has to do with where your NPC was located when you last quit the game. I believe it is a result of a conflict between the game's caching and data cached in external processing applications.

 

Steps to avoid crash:

1. Run 0S scene on NPC in an interior cell.

2. End scene.

3. Save game.

4. Leave the cell (run outside).

5. Quit game.

6. Load save you made in step 3. CTD should be much less likely, because you didn't quit in a cell where you ran a scene.

 

or,

1. Run 0S scene on NPC in an interior cell.

2. End scene.

3. Leave the cell (run outside).

4. Save game.

5. Quit game.

6. Load save you made in step 4. CTD should be much less likely, because you didn't quit in a cell where you ran a scene.

 

Steps more likely to cause crash:

1. Run 0S scene on NPC in an interior cell.

2. End scene.

3. Save game.

4. Quit game.

5. Load save you made in step 3. CTD should be more likely, because you quit in a cell where you ran a scene.

 

Or,

1. Run 0S scene on NPC in an interior cell.

2. End scene.

3. Save game.

4. Leave interior cell (go outside).

5. Enter a different interior cell.

6. Save game.

7. Leave interior cell and go back to the original interior cell where you ran the scene.

8. Quit game.

9. load save you made in step 3, not step 6. CTD should be more likely, because you quit in a cell where you ran a scene.

[Kinky]

I have no idea whats going on with the game anymore. I just installed 1.081 from nexus and run that same clean save that i was getting Footik error and i didnt get it.

 

Then i tried my luck and enabled Skyrim reloaded as well and loaded same save and all worked fine...

 

Doesnt sound like many important things changed from 1.08 to 1.081 but now its no longer crashing upon loading clean save...

 

Will try this again and see if things really are fixed.

 

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2nd attempt game loaded but characters T posed. Game crashed on cell change.

3rd atempt game loaded and everything works fine.

4th atempt Tpose and instant crash.

5th attempt FootIk error on game load.

6th attempt T pose and instant crash.

7th attempt (waiting few minutes then starting skyrim and loading same save) everything works fine.

8th attempt same as 7th one.

9th attempt repeated same as 7 and 8 but got T pose and crash on cell change.

10th attempt same as 9th.

 

Funny how in 10 tries i got one FootIk error. But most others were T poses.

Now i cant tell anymore if Skyrim Reloaded is issue here or not.

 

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Without Skyrim Reloaded:

1 FootIk

2 T pose and instant crash

3 FootIk

4 FootIk

5. T pose and crash on cell change

 

 

Also i dont think i run the scene in this cell (riverwood inn) before doing save and then cleaning that save.

[Elmario]

 

Здравствуйте. что я делаю не так?

 

 

 

thanks for the reply, but the error remained and the game does not start or stops responding.

[Kinky]

 

thanks for the reply, but the error remained and the game does not start or stops responding.

 

 

Install 1.081 from nexus.

[migal130]

2nd attempt game loaded but characters T posed. Game crashed on cell change.

3rd atempt game loaded and everything works fine.

4th atempt Tpose and instant crash.

5th attempt FootIk error on game load.

6th attempt T pose and instant crash.

7th attempt (waiting few minutes then starting skyrim and loading same save) everything works fine.

8th attempt same as 7th one.

9th attempt repeated same as 7 and 8 but got T pose and crash on cell change.

10th attempt same as 9th.

 

Funny how in 10 tries i got one FootIk error. But most others were T poses.

Now i cant tell anymore if Skyrim Reloaded is issue here or not.

Looks pretty much like my testing sessions until I started testing with a pristine game. For example, from the opening game menu (with Load, New Game, etc. options), using console to COC LuxurySuite where there are 7 NPCs for 0S testing was absolutely bulletproof, because it was a completely new game in which no mods at all had ever been included in a game save. Never crashed doing that.

 

I don't have Skyrim Reloaded or SL (or any other animation mods besides what comes with FNIS and XPMSE). I also don't have SOS or SAM.

 

CEO told me he does not get the crashes you and I get. My modding partner does get the crashes you and I get. But aside from us, I really don't see a lot of people talking about it.

[tonydu91]

Hi !

First of all, thanks for this mod CE0 !

 

I just installed the mod on a totally clean save, with all requirements and I have a strange bug : my character is a man and I can't interact with women but I can interact with other man ... I want the opposite, I'm not a gay man lol

Someone can help me ?

[Kinky]

Looks pretty much like my testing sessions until I started testing with a pristine game. For example, from the opening game menu (with Load, New Game, etc. options), using console to COC LuxurySuite where there are 7 NPCs for 0S testing was absolutely bulletproof, because it was a completely new game in which no mods at all had ever been included in a game save. Never crashed doing that.

 

I don't have Skyrim Reloaded Or SL (or any other animation mods besides what comes with FNIS and XPMSE). I also don't have SOS or SAM.

 

CEO told me he does not get the crashes you and I get.

 

For now after all this testing i would say Skyrim Reloaded is not conflicting since im getting same crashes even without it. With all this random errors it seemed like i was only getting them when Skyrim Reloaded is installed but now with more tests it seems only issue is 0sex itself.

 

As to why CEO is not getting them it could be that he doesnt have Crash Fixes by meh321 installed in which case he would never get FootIk error message.

It could also be that he has more powerfull machine then 2 of us. If this errors are happening coz of memory issues then if he has more powerfull machine he would also not get them as much or at all.

 

 

 

Hi !

First of all, thanks for this mod CE0 !

 

I just installed the mod on a totally clean save, with all requirements and I have a strange bug : my character is a man and I can't interact with women but I can interact with other man ... I want the opposite, I'm not a gay man lol

Someone can help me ?

 

Do you have XPMSE skeleton installed? Also nothing can overwrite that skeleton.

[tonydu91]

No skeleton. I have to install it ?

[Kinky]

No skeleton. I have to install it ?

 

Yes and all other requirements that you said you already have

[migal130]

As to why CEO is not getting them it could be that he doesnt have Crash Fixes by meh321 installed in which case he would never get FootIk error message.

It could also be that he has more powerfull machine then 2 of us. If this errors are happening coz of memory issues then if he has more powerfull machine he would also not get them as much or at all.

I doubt it's a machine horsepower issue. Mine is an i5 12GB RAM 970GTX. Doesn't suck, but probably not worse than most common users would be running. Although, it is Win10, which is not beneficial for Skyrim graphics.

 

The Foot IK error from Crash Fixes is only an error trap for what would otherwise be a plain old CTD. Meaning, if you didn't have Crash Fixes installed, you would be getting a vanilla CTD instead of the Foot IK error message (which meh321 says is not actually a foot IK issue, but something else he can't yet identify). I am in no way suggesting anyone should run without meh321's Crash Fixes for any reason other than testing. Dude is a miracle worker.

[CEO 0S]

Awesome work Ceo! I'll have to start taking a look at the OSA example. Also looking forward to the completed voice acting pack! Exciting times haha!

Hi Proxy, thank you! Since I've already made you make and test your module in like 3 different data formats why not send me your final files and I'll do the retype for the module's basic folders for you, the gist of the system is the same so you already know how to do it all, and it would just be some busy work for you to get caught up, I can rename the stuff in under 10 minutes wouldn't be a problem. Having some real proof that OSA can take modules would help get others trying it I think so I'd like to help in any way i can get your module live to show it's possible.

 

 

 

Hi Migal,

Thank you, that path might be the way but I did a similar version right before I switched to OHeight on the same premises of if they don't = scale set them and run that for both. I recall it took me a while to figure out something was wrong but there is something there that's going to go wrong with the math. Let me see if I can dig out the versions that did that so I can compare notes, it's possible you have it structured in a different way that prevents the eventually problems I hit with it.

 

If I recall it was either nudging the height by the amount they are over or under 1.0 everytime (for base or char scale can't remember) or it wasn't setting it up for things with weird scales like orcs right, something along the lines of setting scale would set both their scales for example 1.0 1.3 setscale 1.5 becomes 1.5 1.5 (something like that)

 

let me see if I can find my records and compare and see if that gives any hints.

 

 

 

Hi !

First of all, thanks for this mod CE0 !

 

I just installed the mod on a totally clean save, with all requirements and I have a strange bug : my character is a man and I can't interact with women but I can interact with other man ... I want the opposite, I'm not a gay man lol

Someone can help me ?

Thanks Tony,

You will need an XPMSE skeleton installed, any actor that doesn't have an SKSE skeleton will not be valid for the scene so it doesn't start. It's a little overkill since technically you can have a scene just fine without an SKSE skeleton but it helps lock out a lot of weird things from being considered actors and also XPMS skeleton is pretty much a unanimous considered an upgrade to the vanilla skeleton (I think) and is used by a lot of stuff so I think it's just overall good to have.

 

 

 

For now after all this testing i would say Skyrim Reloaded is not conflicting since im getting same crashes even without it. With all this random errors it seemed like i was only getting them when Skyrim Reloaded is installed but now with more tests it seems only issue is 0sex itself.

 

As to why CEO is not getting them it could be that he doesnt have Crash Fixes by meh321 installed in which case he would never get FootIk error message.

It could also be that he has more powerfull machine then 2 of us. If this errors are happening coz of memory issues then if he has more powerfull machine he would also not get them as much or at all.

 

 

 

Yea I don't use Crash Fixes and my system is kind of beast so those could both play into it. I have been thinking maybe it's something about the crash fixes. I did put a few very small safety things around the onload event in the 1.08 I put on nexus after the pilot test here, might or might not help. The crashing definitely isn't as wide spread as I thought it would be on nexus but traffic is fairly low though since most likely anyone interested that doesn't check this a lot doesn't really know anything happened. Haven't had reports of the crash but it seems there are a few stating it not working with reloaded however it seems here it is possible?

[Kinky]

I doubt it's a machine horsepower issue. Mine is an i5 12GB RAM 970GTX. Doesn't suck, but probably not worse than most common users would be running. Although, it is Win10, which is not beneficial for Skyrim graphics.

 

The Foot IK error from Crash Fixes is only an error trap for what would otherwise be a plain old CTD. Meaning, if you didn't have Crash Fixes installed, you would be getting a vanilla CTD instead of the Foot IK error message (which meh321 says is not actually a foot IK issue, but something else he can't yet identify). I am in no way suggesting anyone should run without meh321's Crash Fixes for any reason other than testing. Dude is a miracle worker.

 

Ah i was thinking it was machine power since mine isn't anywhere near what you have (Dual core cpu and 4 GB Ram) also Win 10. But if even you are getting same issues then problem is obviously something else.

 

While crash fixes only report footik issue they also change/fix some things that are not changed in ceo's game. Maybe one of those other settings is cousing problems while fixing some other issue.

I cant really get rid of that mod since im getting over 50 FPS inside and arround 25 outside, it fixes lots of stutering issues too. Like you said he is miracle worker.

 

 

 

Yea I don't use Crash Fixes and my system is kind of beast so those could both play into it. I have been thinking maybe it's something about the crash fixes. I did put a few very small safety things around the onload event in the 1.08 I put on nexus after the pilot test here, might or might not help. The crashing definitely isn't as wide spread as I thought it would be on nexus but traffic is fairly low though since most likely anyone interested that doesn't check this a lot doesn't really know anything happened. Haven't had reports of the crash but it seems there are a few stating it not working with reloaded however it seems here it is possible?

 

It could be that those tiny things you included helped a bit but game still seems way to random when its about 0sex. My final test for checking compatibility issues with Skyrim Reloaded was to see if i can load coc qasmoke with both installed (it used to crash there every time) but it loaded fine. So they can coexist together which is good news. Bad news is 0sex crashes way to much on its own. So i would remove that part from mod description on nexus at least till more people start complaining about incompatibility.