Has Anyone Tried "loot" To Organize Their Load Order

[wildtangent]

In my opinion it is more comprehensive, and works a lot better than boss has for me in the past.

 

Here is a link to the file itself http://loot.github.io/

 

This is a link for a video from Gopher explaining some of it's functionality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzoyWugzZAw

[Jezzerat]

Yeah, I've been using it and my game seems a lot more stable.  At first I was afraid of it because the generated load order just looked so random, but it worked really well when I tried it, and I only had to do some minor adjustments to my lighting mods and some patching.

[TnTTnT]

Strange, cannot get any masterlist update if use archive version but using installer seem to work fine.  

[Storms of Superior]

It works better than BOSS for me.

[Jezzerat]

It works better than BOSS for me.

 

It's meant to take the place of BOSS, because BOSS isn't being updated any more.  It was originally going to be the updated BOSS, but they made so many changes they decided to start fresh.

[dje34]

If it works THAT well, it should be linked into some pinned topic, don't you think ?

[Akzyra]

Yeah, they should change all BOSS links to LOOT as its replaced by it.

It's really nice and works really good, but I miss commandline start, now I have to click buttons :/

[Storms of Superior]

 

 

It works better than BOSS for me.

It's meant to take the place of BOSS, because BOSS isn't being updated any more. It was originally going to be the updated BOSS, but they made so many changes they decided to start fresh.

So that's why it works better than BOSS for me.

[Guest]

I've been using it a few weeks now, initially the load order spooked me, but it works just as it did before as far as I can tell. That being said, BOSS was never very 'fire and forget', I had a whole bunch of user rules for it and was forever moving stuff about. Loot is a lot more convenient and very easy to get into the habit of just not bothering to look at what it's actually done. 

 

It's even better paired with Mod Organizer because of installation priority and being able to unpack BSAs, which gives you so much control over things. Loot still places the unofficial patches near the top of the load order, but STEP has you installing them quite late in it's guide, which means they end up overwriting a whole load of files from other mods, so many that you have to wonder if USKP is terminally afflicted with mission creep (that's another topic). It was getting silly, so I'm experimenting with having the patches at the top of MO's install priority list and so far all is well. 

 

So yeah, Loot and MO - golden combination. 

[nutluck]

I switched a few weeks ago and have not looked back. As b3ast1e said, it was a bit unnerving the number of changes made but if anything I have found LOOT is better and easier to use than BOSS was.

[Spyder Arachnid]

Hmm, I tried using LOOT, but it didn't sort anything. My load order was a jumbled mess after using it. Mods were just randomly scattered throughout, not in proper places, and masters were below mods that required them.

 

Even tried the new BOSS 2.3.0, and when you run it, you get nothing but a blank page. No summary, no recognized plugins, nothing. Just a white page.

 

So just been sticking with the old version of BOSS right now (I think 2.2.0?). It sorts my load order, and what it doesn't recognize, I sort myself via userlist (which isn't much).

[Kpnut]

I've tried and its completely fucked everything, I get a CTD whenever the game attempts to make a save (this is in Skyrim, Oblivion seems to be unfuckable and New Vegas was completely fucked before I even tried loot and it's still fucked so no change there).

[EternalDamned]

Same here SpyderArachnid. Did find out you can use the text file rather than html results display on BOSS 2.3 and that works. LOOT put Apachiihair before DG, hearthfire and DB?!?

[Kpnut]

Same here SpyderArachnid. Did find out you can use the text file rather than html results display on BOSS 2.3 and that works. LOOT put Apachiihair before DG, hearthfire and DB?!?

It didn't do that to me but I'm trying to figure out what "Update.esm" is its been put before DG, DB and Hearthfire.

[Rayblue]

Until there's some improvement, I have to hold on to BOSS 2.2.0.

[nutluck]

Hmm, I tried using LOOT, but it didn't sort anything. My load order was a jumbled mess after using it. Mods were just randomly scattered throughout, not in proper places, and masters were below mods that required them.

 

Even tried the new BOSS 2.3.0, and when you run it, you get nothing but a blank page. No summary, no recognized plugins, nothing. Just a white page.

 

So just been sticking with the old version of BOSS right now (I think 2.2.0?). It sorts my load order, and what it doesn't recognize, I sort myself via userlist (which isn't much).

 

Yes, it did that the first time it made a mess. I read I forget where that it does that sometimes on the first try, just run it again and it will fix it. Thats what I did and since I did that LOOT has a very similar but not exact load order as BOSS.

[Akzyra]

Hmm, I tried using LOOT, but it didn't sort anything. My load order was a jumbled mess after using it. Mods were just randomly scattered throughout, not in proper places, and masters were below mods that required them.

 

Even tried the new BOSS 2.3.0, and when you run it, you get nothing but a blank page. No summary, no recognized plugins, nothing. Just a white page.

 

So just been sticking with the old version of BOSS right now (I think 2.2.0?). It sorts my load order, and what it doesn't recognize, I sort myself via userlist (which isn't much).

 

Use LOOT, it is better.

From the FAQ:

Q. How can the load order LOOT gives be right if BOSS gives a very different load order?

A. There can be more than one correct load order for a given set of plugins. For example, some plugins may not conflict or depend on each other, so their relative orders wouldn't matter. The load order BOSS gives is hand-made to look 'neat' as well as work, so plugins from the same mod will usually get grouped together, but LOOT doesn't know which plugins belong to which mod, so it just puts them where it thinks they work.

 

And you should use a LOOT/BOSS load order as a basis and do manual changes.

[EternalDamned]

@Kpnut update.esm is an update to the Skyrim.esm and must be loaded right after skyrim.esm.

[Guest]

Maybe some of you guys were  using a version of Loot before they made a significant update to it. I've had literally none of the issues any of you describe.

 

And those who are saying their load order is jumbled or messed up, that's explained pretty well in the FAQ that you must have passed on by My understanding of it is that LOOT uses a combination of plugin content and mod metadata to sort,  it won't necessarily order things as BOSS does because it's not designed to work to a predefined plugin load order like BOSS is. It's a whole different animal really. From their FAQ:

 

 

"The load order BOSS gives is hand-made to look 'neat' as well as work, so plugins from the same mod will usually get grouped together, but LOOT doesn't know which plugins belong to which mod, so it just puts them where it thinks they work."

 

edit: just to add that there's nothing stopping you looking in TES5Edit to see if there's anything LOOT's got spectacularly wrong, and then making our own judgement call accordingly, just as you would have done with BOSS. 

 

 

 

 

[EternalDamned]

You were right Nutluck. I gave it a second try, and significantly better. Just had to do some sort masters for a few files in tes5edit but always had to do that anyway. The Devious family of mods almost all use different load orders for the same mods. But no biggie and I will test the new load order shortly and update this post with how it works.

[nutluck]

You were right Nutluck. I gave it a second try, and significantly better. Just had to do some sort masters for a few files in tes5edit but always had to do that anyway. The Devious family of mods almost all use different load orders for the same mods. But no biggie and I will test the new load order shortly and update this post with how it works.

 

Glad it works for you now.