Oniki's Kinky World Build 451 v0.9.7 - LoversLab Edition [BiterBit's QoL]

[wubby901]

@BiterBit the latest version nags me to add an extra kinky trait even when all traits are full 

[BiterBit]

5 minutes ago, wubby901 said:

@BiterBit the latest version nags me to add an extra kinky trait even when all traits are full 

 

You mean 5 traits?

 

Since all traits have been moved into the Skill tab, the limit is 5 and not 3 like before

 

Do you have the popup on 5 traits as well?

[FeenSims]

The KW Trait Manager doesn't seem to be working for me. I currently don't have any traits, and unfortunately, I can't seem to change that.

 

 

Disabling the Incest settings in Woohooer and enabling them in KW worked beautifully. Nude bathing and kissing are both now available options.

 

I have a quick question—specifically for those who are still beginners with this mod, like me. Whenever I go into the settings, I keep running into nothing but baffling numbers instead of the game telling me what they actually mean. I'm 55 years old and not getting any younger; my English is terrible, and having to scour the internet just to figure out what these numbers mean is simply not an option for me.

 

 

[Aouregan]

8 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

The KW Trait Manager doesn't seem to be working for me. I currently don't have any traits, and unfortunately, I can't seem to change that.

 

 

Disabling the Incest settings in Woohooer and enabling them in KW worked beautifully. Nude bathing and kissing are both now available options.

 

I have a quick question—specifically for those who are still beginners with this mod, like me. Whenever I go into the settings, I keep running into nothing but baffling numbers instead of the game telling me what they actually mean. I'm 55 years old and not getting any younger; my English is terrible, and having to scour the internet just to figure out what these numbers mean is simply not an option for me.

 

 

Hey Feensims, ich bin auch deutsch.
Die IDs here werden dir nicht helfen. Das sind Instances, etc.

Benutze fuer solche Dinge nicht KW, sondern eher NRAAS Master Controller und Edit in CAS.
Was die traits angeht... rennt Woohooer auch immer noch? Wir koennen dir da echt nicht helfen, solange das der Fall ist.
Wenn du aber in CAS persoenliche Merkmale austauscht, resetted das auch die Kinky traits und du wirst kurz danach im Live Mode aufgefordert sie neu zu waehlen.
Du brauchst im settings menue echt nicht zu viel machen. Wichtig ist unter der Option Sex die Animationen einzuspeisen.

Hattest du den schon den Lade screen im live mode fuer das KinkiWorld mod? Vorher geht sowieso noch nicht viel.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[BiterBit]

15 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

The KW Trait Manager doesn't seem to be working for me. I currently don't have any traits, and unfortunately, I can't seem to change that.

 

 

Disabling the Incest settings in Woohooer and enabling them in KW worked beautifully. Nude bathing and kissing are both now available options.

 

I have a quick question—specifically for those who are still beginners with this mod, like me. Whenever I go into the settings, I keep running into nothing but baffling numbers instead of the game telling me what they actually mean. I'm 55 years old and not getting any younger; my English is terrible, and having to scour the internet just to figure out what these numbers mean is simply not an option for me.

 

 

 

I'm glad you solved the incompatibility issues.

 

 

Traits issue

 

As per the traits picker showing "None" - that is default behavior as well. The traits picker is a "simple" picker, therefore if you (or other Sims) have no active Kinky Traits, the picker will just say "None".

 

When you click on your active current Sim, you are able to change your traits for 5000 LTR points - very similar to how EA does the same thing without cheats (and it's reported in the very own button you showed in German -> "Tausche kinky merkmale" > "Change Kinky Traits").

 

If you do not want to spend your points, I also implemented a cheat mode (documented in the main post under a huge "IMPORTANT" red note) you can find in Miscellaneous > Kinky Traits Debug Mode. Enabling that, will allow you to see "Change Traits" for every Sim and for free (no LTR points required).

 

 

Settings issue

 

This may be a potential STBL issue where strings are formatted as IDs and not as text in the GER localization, but as far as I can see from S3PE or S3SE the GER strings looks fine.

 

What I can see instead is that you may be inside the "Underwear resources" section, where CAS parts (like panties and bras) are effectively named as IDs (it's how it works by default).

 

There's nothing you need to change, you just need need to get out of that specific menu if you don't need to edit any CAS resource related to the underwear.

 

EDIT: in one of your pictures it looks like you are in the "pubic hair" section that basically does the same thing - it lets you manage CAS resources related to pubic hair, similarly to CAS parts in underwear. CAS parts are typically named and detected by IDs.

 

If you're having IDs all over the settings even in the main menu, please send a screenshot of the main menu or in the meantime just play with the FULL-EN version until the issue is fixed.

Edited June 2 by BiterBit

[Aouregan]

2 minutes ago, BiterBit said:

 

I'm glad you solved the incompatibility issues.

 

 

Traits issue

 

As per the traits picker showing "None" - that is default behavior as well. The traits picker is a "simple" picker, therefore if you (or other Sims) have no active Kinky Traits, the picker will just say "None".

 

When you click on your active current Sim, you are able to change your traits for 5000 LTR points - very similar to how EA does the same thing without cheats (and it's reported in the very own button you showed in German).

 

If you do not want to spend your points, I also implemented a cheat mode (documented in the main post under a huge "IMPORTANT" red note) you can find in Miscellaneous > Kinky Traits Debug Mode. Enabling that, will allow you to see "Change Traits" for every Sim and for free (no LTR points required).

 

 

Settings issue

 

This may be a potential STBL issue where strings are formatted as IDs and not as text in the GER localization, but as far as I can see from S3PE or S3SE the GER strings looks fine.

 

What I can see instead is that you may be inside the "Underwear resources" section, where CAS parts (like panties and bras) are effectively named as IDs (it's how it works by default).

 

There's nothing you need to change, you just need need to get out of that specific menu if you don't need to edit any CAS resource related to the underwear.

 

If you're having IDs all over the settings even in the main menu, please send a screenshot of the main menu or in the meantime just play with the FULL-EN version until the issue is fixed.

 

Normally resetting any personal traits in MC CAS will also reset the kinky traits and you will be prompted to select them again, unless you changed that in your version. It's a quick and dirty to solve that issue.

[FeenSims]

6 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

Hey Feensims, ich bin auch deutsch.
Die IDs here werden dir nicht helfen. Das sind Instances, etc.

Benutze fuer solche Dinge nicht KW, sondern eher NRAAS Master Controller und Edit in CAS.
Was die traits angeht... rennt Woohooer auch immer noch? Wir koennen dir da echt nicht helfen, solange das der Fall ist.
Wenn du aber in CAS persoenliche Merkmale austauscht, resetted das auch die Kinky traits und du wirst kurz danach im Live Mode aufgefordert sie neu zu waehlen.
Du brauchst im settings menue echt nicht zu viel machen. Wichtig ist unter der Option Sex die Animationen einzuspeisen.

 

Wow, cool. Hi Kolege!

 

Ja Woohooer läuft noch, ich nehme den mal raus und teste es mit den Traits nochmal.

 

Das mit dem MC und Edit CAS verstehe ich leider nicht. Bin ja schon Alt, habe auch im CAS noch nie gesehen wie ich dir Scharmhaare ändern kann.

 

Tut mir leid, in solchen Dingen bin ich der völlige Noob. Aber Mods für die Sims 4 konnte ich relativ schnell selber erstellen ohne es zuvor zu lernen.

 

Da du die Animationen gerade ansprichst, gibt es eine Möglichkeit, dämliche Kategorien komplett zu verbieten. Wie das Schwanz Blasen kram. Jede Einzelne Animation zu deaktivieen, würde mich Jahrzehnte kosten.

 

[Aouregan]

5 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

 

Wow, cool. Hi Kolege!

 

Ja Woohooer läuft noch, ich nehme den mal raus und teste es mit den Traits nochmal.

 

Das mit dem MC und Edit CAS verstehe ich leider nicht. Bin ja schon Alt, habe auch im CAS noch nie gesehen wie ich dir Scharmhaare ändern kann.

 

Tut mir leid, in solchen Dingen bin ich der völlige Noob. Aber Mods für die Sims 4 konnte ich relativ schnell selber erstellen ohne es zuvor zu lernen.

 

Da du die Animationen gerade ansprichst, gibt es eine Möglichkeit, dämliche Kategorien komplett zu verbieten. Wie das Schwanz Blasen kram. Jede Einzelne Animation zu deaktivieen, würde mich Jahrzehnte kosten.

 

 

Passe auf
Um die Schamhaare zu aendern, gehe in CAS, dann auf Haar, dort auf Koerperhaar und dort muesst es den schamberecih zur Auswahl geben. Schau mal und lass es mich wissen.
Was die Animatione angeht... du kannst einzelne Animationen in die Blacklist aufnehmen. Kategorienweise leider nicht.

 

Fuer die Traits, gehe einfach in MasterController, falls du hast, dann auf advanced, Edit in CAS, tausche einfach irgendeinem dumbo trait aus... buecherwurm gegen irgendwas anderes oder so, gehe dann zurueck ins spiel. Wichtig ist, dass die Pause nicht aktiv ist, sondern das spiel laeuft... klicke dann bei deinem character zwischen den Kategorien etywas hin und her... Bedurefnisse, Job, etc. Irgendwann sollte das prompt kommen, dass du kinky traits auswaehlen musst.

Das kann gerade bei einem neu gestarteten Spiel etwas dauern, weil da dutzende scripts laufen.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[FeenSims]

1 minute ago, Aouregan said:

 

Passe auf
Um die Schamhaare zu aendern, gehe in CAS, dann auf Haar, dort auf Koerperhaar und dort muesst es den schamberecih zur Auswahl geben. Schau mal und lass es mich wissen.
Was die Animatione angeht... du kannst einzelne Animationen in die Blacklist aufnehmen. Kategorienweise leider nicht.

 

 

 Ok, danke. Ich schaue mir das im CAS mal an, ich Berichte wieder.

 

Das mit den Traits schaue ich mir auch gleich noch an. Habe den Debug noch nicht an.

 

[Aouregan]

5 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

 

 

 Ok, danke. Ich schaue mir das im CAS mal an, ich Berichte wieder.

 

Das mit den Traits schaue ich mir auch gleich noch an. Habe den Debug noch nicht an.

 

 

Ich wuerde dafuer nie das debug CAS hernehmen, sondern eher NRAAS Master Controller installieren.
Debug CAS kann auf die mods sehr problematisch reagieren.

By the way... KW erlaubt es dir im seinen optionen debug by default atkiv zu haben.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

Falls du mehr Fragen hast zum setup... schreib eine DM an mich. No need to fill up this thread more than required.
Unsere Englisch-sprachigen werden nicht happy sein ueber eine 20-Seiten deutsche Diskussion zum setup von KW XD

[BiterBit]

14 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

 

Ich wuerde dafuer nie das debug CAS hernehmen, sondern eher NRAAS Master Controller installieren.
Debug CAS kann auf die mods sehr problematisch reagieren.

By the way... KW erlaubt es dir im seinen optionen debug by default atkiv zu haben.

 

I think FeenSims was referring to Kinky Traits debug mode that she didn't discover yet. It allows you to change anyone's Kinky Trait for free at any time (and to discover them immediately instead of seeing "???" on yet unknown Sims).

 

Anyway: I checked Master Controller Cheats (the module required for editing traits) and by the code it only script edits the CAS vanilla traits.

 

Since traits have a different logic now since 445 (iirc) and use a "Unified System" disconnected from CAS, they remain untouched.

 

To be sure of this I also tested this myself installing MC + Cheats right now - they didn't get canceled.

 

By the way, for an easier user experience regarding trait changes, I would also recommend giving a try to ReFiner:

 

    

 

It's a mod I've built simultaneously during KW work, and I really enhanced User Experience as much as I can - and the fact I couldn't basically understand almost anything at first use on many Nraas mods (especially in italian localizations I use) made me want to program my own mod for a lot of things.

 

7 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

Falls du mehr Fragen hast zum setup... schreib eine DM an mich. No need to fill up this thread more than required.
Unsere Englisch-sprachigen werden nicht happy sein ueber eine 20-Seiten deutsche Diskussion zum setup von KW XD

 

EDIT: I'll add that this is not entirely true. I support people speaking in their native language to make what they want to say more understandable, considering I can use an advanced translator and I'm good enough with languages.

 

What I do not recommend is filling up the thread with basic requests that can be satisfied looking up the thread, the main post or other researches.

 

But every language is welcome here.

Edited June 2 by BiterBit

[Aouregan]

10 minutes ago, BiterBit said:

 

I think FeenSims was referring to Kinky Traits debug mode that she didn't discover yet. It allows you to change anyone's Kinky Trait for free at any time (and to discover them immediately instead of seeing "???" on yet unknown Sims).

 

Anyway: I checked Master Controller Cheats (the module required for editing traits) and by the code it only script edits the CAS vanilla traits.

 

Since traits have a different logic now since 445 (iirc) and use a "Unified System" disconnected from CAS, they remain untouched.

 

To be sure of this I also tested this myself installing MC + Cheats right now - they didn't get canceled.

 

By the way, for an easier user experience regarding trait changes, I would also recommend giving a try to ReFiner:

 

    

 

I am using Katie's latest KW branch and the behaviour is still the same... if I want to change my Kinky Traits quick and dirty, I just go into CAS and edit my regular traits. After a short while in live mode, I will be prompted to select them again.
Editing your traits in CAS will reset all kinky traits.

 

But the thing about the discovery is useful. That always pissed me off.

There used to be a Share kinky secret talk option that would allow for the "Loves Sex" trait to be known, but that has gone.

And except for the talk and order to options, sub and dom are broken anyway.

Cuckold/Cukcquean and Exhibitionist are easily discoverable, but Voyeur is also not. 

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[BiterBit]

2 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

 

I am using Katie's latest KW branch and the behaviour is still the same... if I want to change my Kinky Traits quick and dirty, I just go into CAS and edit my regular traits. After a short while in live mode, I will be prompted to select them again.

 

... Okey, that is fine. But you asked me if this behavior was still happening in my builds, so I answered back:

 

25 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

 

Normally resetting any personal traits in MC CAS will also reset the kinky traits and you will be prompted to select them again, unless you changed that in your version. It's a quick and dirty to solve that issue.

 

It doesn't happen since 445 with Unified Kinky Traits instead of Vanilla CAS ones.

Edited June 2 by BiterBit

[FeenSims]

Danke nochmals, mit dem CAS die Scharmhaare zu ändern Funktionierte wunderbar, ich wusste zuvor nichts davon.

 

 

Die KW Traits konnte ich jetzt auch wunderbar setzen. Die Einstellungen habe ich dafür gefunden gehabt.

 

@BiterBit,

 

Would it possibly be possible for you to implement a feature that allows users to block specific sex animation categories? After your break, of course.

 

 

[Aouregan]

11 minutes ago, BiterBit said:

 

... Okey, that is fine. But you asked me if this behavior was still happening in my builds, so I answered back:

 

 

It doesn't happen since 445 with Unified Kinky Traits instead of Vanilla CAS ones.

 

You want me to make a video of it where it does on the latest branches after 445?
Because I promise you it does. Have you tried?
NVM, I am just being thick. Her version is 442, it seems?

So, forget what I said XD

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[Aouregan]

14 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

Danke nochmals, mit dem CAS die Scharmhaare zu ändern Funktionierte wunderbar, ich wusste zuvor nichts davon.

 

 

Die KW Traits konnte ich jetzt auch wunderbar setzen. Die Einstellungen habe ich dafür gefunden gehabt.

 

@BiterBit,

 

Would it possibly be possible for you to implement a feature that allows users to block specific sex animation categories? After your break, of course.

 

 

 

Problem with this is that there are only a set amount of categories and you would block all of them in a category, like there are Teasing, handjob, Oral Job, Vaginal and Anal.
It is definitely possible, but that would make all of them be gone in any of those categories.
I know you talked about this before, but more fine tuning in blocking categories is impossible. If I do not agree with a specific animator, I just remove their entire animation package, if their focus is on stuff I do not necessary like.

Or you can always add specific animations manually to the black list. I did that with all the rapey animations. I don't judge (since it's in a game), but it's not my jam.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[FeenSims]

6 minutes ago, Aouregan said:

 

Problem with this is that there are only a set amount of categories and you would block all of them in a category, like there are Teasing, handjob, Oral Job, Vaginal and Anal.
It is definitely possible, but that would make all of them be gone in any of those categories.
I know you talked about this before, but more fine tuning in blocking categories is impossible. If I do not agree with a specific animator, I just remove their entire animation package, if their focus is on stuff I do not necessary like.

Or you can always add specific animations manually to the black list. I did that with all the rapey animations. I don't judge (since it's in a game), but it's not my jam.

 

In that case, I guess I'll have to block them manually after all. Wow—well, that could take years.

 

[Aouregan]

1 minute ago, FeenSims said:

 

In that case, I guess I'll have to block them manually after all. Wow—well, that could take years.

 

 

Welches sind deine Problem-Anims?

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[wubby901]

1 hour ago, BiterBit said:

 

You mean 5 traits?

 

Since all traits have been moved into the Skill tab, the limit is 5 and not 3 like before

 

Do you have the popup on 5 traits as well?

 

@BiterBit my sim has the max 5 traits but the pop up keeps asking me to add the 5th trait

Edited June 2 by wubby901

[BiterBit]

12 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

Danke nochmals, mit dem CAS die Scharmhaare zu ändern Funktionierte wunderbar, ich wusste zuvor nichts davon.

 

 

Die KW Traits konnte ich jetzt auch wunderbar setzen. Die Einstellungen habe ich dafür gefunden gehabt.

 

@BiterBit,

 

Would it possibly be possible for you to implement a feature that allows users to block specific sex animation categories? After your break, of course.

 

 

 

If with block you mean "hiding" entire categories from the picker, that can potentially be made just as an "aesthetic" thing.

 

Removing them from gameplay is something else, because a lot of KW animations XMLs require a "next stage" that is typically related to another category; also, in some cases, relationship between two Sims goes through a "bit" progression, in the meaning that some Sims may not accept going vaginal if you didn't had teasing/manual/oral before that.

 

So, potentially a "hide categories from UI" could be made, but Sims would still choosing some positions and acts through their autonomy. It's also possible, in principle, to avoid certain categories at all so that Sims will just skip to the next "available" category, but that could cause unexpected behaviors like Sims refusing sex in the middle of a stage if you from teasing to vaginal, like it happens today if you change manually.

 

Briefly - everything is theoretically possible. But sadly as of now I find this specific thing out of the scope considering you can already:

 

- Disable autonomy

- Manually choose next stages

- Filter interactions from pie menu (vaginal, anal, etc.)

- Filter interactions from picker menu (categories...)

- Blacklist specific stages

 

You can try and use S3PE to open animations XMLs with a notepad or with whatever tool of your choice, and just massively delete from the XML every category you don't like.

 

It's the fastest way to achieve what you are asking.

[Aouregan]

6 minutes ago, BiterBit said:

 

If with block you mean "hiding" entire categories from the picker, that can potentially be made just as an "aesthetic" thing.

 

Removing them from gameplay is something else, because a lot of KW animations XMLs require a "next stage" that is typically related to another category; also, in some cases, relationship between two Sims goes through a "bit" progression, in the meaning that some Sims may not accept going vaginal if you didn't had teasing/manual/oral before that.

 

So, potentially a "hide categories from UI" could be made, but Sims would still choosing some positions and acts through their autonomy. It's also possible, in principle, to avoid certain categories at all so that Sims will just skip to the next "available" category, but that could cause unexpected behaviors like Sims refusing sex in the middle of a stage if you from teasing to vaginal, like it happens today if you change manually.

 

Briefly - everything is theoretically possible. But sadly as of now I find this specific thing out of the scope considering you can already:

 

- Disable autonomy

- Manually choose next stages

- Filter interactions from pie menu (vaginal, anal, etc.)

- Filter interactions from picker menu (categories...)

- Blacklist specific stages

 

You can try and use S3PE to open animations XMLs with a notepad or with whatever tool of your choice, and just massively delete from the XML every category you don't like.

 

It's the fastest way to achieve what you are asking.

 

Indeed. Simplest solution without going anywhere deep into the mod itself: Once an animation starts playing you disagree with, click on your sim, select kinky - woohoo - change position, and select a stage you like. It will take an animation loop, but it is quick and dirty. And maybe add that specific animation to your blacklist for the future.
I do believe it has to be the sim that initiated the woohoo sequence, though.
I add animations to my blacklist on the fly as I encounter them. I do not go looking for them actively.

Edited June 2 by Aouregan

[BiterBit]

13 minutes ago, wubby901 said:

 

@BiterBit my sim has the max 5 traits but the pop up keeps asking me to add the 5th trait

 

This is very very strange and never happened to me.

 

By looking at the actual code (450) the logic seems solid: there's an internal counter for valid Kinky Traits and if they are 5, the picker stops triggering.

 

What I'm thinking is that an unclean KW migration could trigger this - did you downloaded latest version of KW (0.9.6) and pasted the whole folder, deleting every old KW file?

 

Files like "KinkyTraits.XML" inside "ONIKI_KinkySettings.package" have changed in time, so just replacing individual files is highly unrecommended.

 

Try deleting every ONIKI_* file in your Mods folder and then paste directly the entire folder that is provided in the ZIP deleting scriptCache.

 

If this doesn't work:

 

- You can use "Disable Auto Picker for Kinky Traits" that is in Global Options > Kinky Traits

- Send me the list of your active Kinky Traits that are displayed in your skill tab

- Check the "Change Kinky Traits" section where you can typically see ON/OFF for every trait and consult there if you have more than 5 traits with the "ON" toggle, and report them to me

 

You may have an invalid installation or possibly some hidden/corrupted trait that needs a patch in further versions

 

EDIT: Feel free to contact me in private if you want to share more technical details, it's totally fine to me.

Edited June 2 by BiterBit

[FeenSims]

1 hour ago, Aouregan said:

 

Welches sind deine Problem-Anims?

 

Am schlimmsten Penis Blasen. Da ich nur mit Lesben Pärchen Spiele. Aber eine auch mal als Shemale verwandle.

 

[Aouregan]

5 minutes ago, FeenSims said:

 

Am schlimmsten Penis Blasen. Da ich nur mit Lesben Pärchen Spiele. Aber eine auch mal als Shemale verwandle.

 

 

Ich kenn das. Ich leb halt damit. Ist halt dann ein Strap-on involved. Ein wenig unlogisch, aber was will man machen. Bringt halt in dem Moment keiner von beiden wirklich was. Shemales nicht wirklich mein Ding, aber da existiert ja dann ein Penis, noe?

Edited June 2 by Aouregan